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Lynch Matty
We're killing a wolf now? So the virus killed the Humane Society, too?
Whatever.
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On second thought, Lynch matty
Whatever.
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On second thought, Lynch matty
So...if the Village People win? :P Unless he's another villager o.O'
PLOT TWIST! Or perhaps I'm over analyzing.
Anyways, I hate to be timid but I've seen claims on both sides, which gives zero evidence in either direction. If Fishin or Hipmonlee could contact me that'd be great. I'll report once I have my answer.
EDIT: So I have my evidence, to a safer night!
Lynch Hipmonlee.
EDIT 2: Withdraw vote.
Lynch matty.
Current Tally
5 Votes for Hipmonlee and 10 votes for matty.
11 Votes in total needed for the majority.
5 Votes for Hipmonlee and 10 votes for matty.
11 Votes in total needed for the majority.
Dear Hipmonlee,
the lynch isn't stopping.
Have a nice day.
the lynch isn't stopping.
Have a nice day.
lol apparently lonelyness is right, it isnt, this is kinda ridiculous fishin is a fucking brick. I guess either way Lonelyness is going to regret that comment but oh well..
So yeah, because the person I told everything to d1 is too cowardly to defend me I have to post everything here. Which means I will die tonight which is the one thing I have been trying to avoid this whole game.
But there is a good chance fishin is mafia. His bullheadedness about this is ridiculous. I cant believe that he actually believes his arguments, the most logical explanation is he sees this as a chance to eliminate the most powerful villager. This is why I wanted to come clean to CoTH and not fishin, but coth passed on my PM without my permission.
But yeah, CoTH was cleared by lesm before he died. He was Lesm's partner, so I suggest that the villagers should all get in touch with him. He is confirmed villager, unlike fishin who you should view as being extremely suspicious.
But here is my pm anyway:
I would like to note that I knew Lesm was Doakes yesterday, and I didnt kill him last night. The reason I did this is because I win if the villagers win, and I had figured Doakes was a strong villager (I had assumed he would be at least close to me in strength, but I was wrong).
I killed annhialator zero last night. When CoTH was being lynched yesterday I suggest that another target for a lynch could be someone who was eager to lynch without having spoken to Fishin. And in particular I suggested Annhialator Zero. Fishin probably will confirm this (since doing otherwise would almost certainly expose him as mafia). So why would a wolf kill a person he suspected of being mafia instead of the person stalking him? I cant think of a reason. I did it because I win with the village. I would like to emphasise the point that whatver my planning was, I killed Annhialator because he was my best guess at a mafia. A Wolf shouldnt try to kill mafias, as his ideal strategy is to weaken the village first.
Also my character Dexter. Anyone who watches the show knows Dexter only kills killers. Fishin and CoTH havent watched the show (just my luck). And Fishin seems unwilling to take mine or wikipedias word for it.. Dexter the character is basically an ideal choice for a vigilante, but as a wolf he is extremely weak.
The next point is that moster of a PM. It hasnt changed from the PM I showed to my villager ally at the start of n1. If I was going to go to the effort to write a pm that huge I would have had a better response during n1 and today to people than "I cant show you my pm you just have to trust me". When I saw the size of my pm I immediately gave up any hope of managing to fake one, so I just told people I couldnt show mine.
Well if you believe me then lynch matty, if you dont then you will know by tonight and when you realise I have been telling the truth I urge you to be extremely wary of trusting Fishin. I seriously cant understand him doubting me at this point unless he wants the vilalge to lose. Especially when there is a perfectly legitimate lynch target in matty.
You can trust CoTH. He is definitely a villager. CoTH, be careful and good luck, and trust your own judgement!
Also in all future games I am gonna kill fishin whenever possible. He has basically doomed me when I finally have a good role by being a total retard.
Have a nice day.
So yeah, because the person I told everything to d1 is too cowardly to defend me I have to post everything here. Which means I will die tonight which is the one thing I have been trying to avoid this whole game.
But there is a good chance fishin is mafia. His bullheadedness about this is ridiculous. I cant believe that he actually believes his arguments, the most logical explanation is he sees this as a chance to eliminate the most powerful villager. This is why I wanted to come clean to CoTH and not fishin, but coth passed on my PM without my permission.
But yeah, CoTH was cleared by lesm before he died. He was Lesm's partner, so I suggest that the villagers should all get in touch with him. He is confirmed villager, unlike fishin who you should view as being extremely suspicious.
But here is my pm anyway:
blue_light said:Dear Hipmonlee,
You are Dexter Morgan.
Also known as the Bay Harbor Butcher, you are the Dark Defender of Miami. You kill the people who take advantage of society's rules and use them to fuel your sociopath needs, you essentially take out the trash. Prior to the coming of the Swine Flu and the quarantine you were in quite a tight spot, with your secret dumping spot being discovered by divers. However, now that people are fearing the Swine Flu instead of the Bay Harbor Butcher, the scum of the streets have all decided to come out and play. With all these new targets out at night you have decided to go ape-shit crazy with your killing schedule. Beware an old associate of yours, Sergeant James Doakes, is still hot on your trail and will not stop until you are apprehended by the authorities (lynched) or lying in a pool of your own blood. If you are ever inspected you will show up as the Bay Harbor Butcher, a ruthless serial killer that rapes/kidnaps and kills his victims.
To aid your cleaning of the streets you will have a variety of weapons. During the day you may send a pm to blue_light stating "Day X - Investigate Crime Scene: X". For a crime scene you will be able to investigate either the death of a person or the kidnapping of a person, which you should express as X. From your investigations you will be able to get a DNA sample from the guilty party which you will then compare to any DNA samples that you have acquired from players. During the night you may send a pm to blue_light stating "Night X - Acquire DNA from User". That night you will acquire a DNA sample from your target and compare it to any DNA samples that you have collected from any crime scenes.
Besides your ability to test DNA, you also have the ability to kidnap and kill users. If you do not have a person kidnapped yet then during the night you must send a pm to blue_light stating "Night X - Tranquilize User". That night you will go up to that person and kidnap them before they will be able to do anything. If you have a person in your custody you must send a pm to blue_light stating "Night X - Murder". That night your target will be cut into several pieces with your saw and bagged up to be dumped in your new hiding place. If during the night you try to murder your victim and you fail, you will panic and flee which will result in the release of your victim at the beginning of the next day. Failure to send in needed pms will cause you to become overrun with your blood lust and will result in your suicide. Any victim you kill will not be revealed at the beginning of the next day, instead you will dump his/her body into your new dumping spot where people will never find it.
Since you are a Forensic Blood Splatter Expert, if you ever vote in the thread your opinion will be worth two votes rather than one.
You win if both the Black Sheep and the Assassins are wiped out and Sergeant James Doakes is dead.
I would like to note that I knew Lesm was Doakes yesterday, and I didnt kill him last night. The reason I did this is because I win if the villagers win, and I had figured Doakes was a strong villager (I had assumed he would be at least close to me in strength, but I was wrong).
I killed annhialator zero last night. When CoTH was being lynched yesterday I suggest that another target for a lynch could be someone who was eager to lynch without having spoken to Fishin. And in particular I suggested Annhialator Zero. Fishin probably will confirm this (since doing otherwise would almost certainly expose him as mafia). So why would a wolf kill a person he suspected of being mafia instead of the person stalking him? I cant think of a reason. I did it because I win with the village. I would like to emphasise the point that whatver my planning was, I killed Annhialator because he was my best guess at a mafia. A Wolf shouldnt try to kill mafias, as his ideal strategy is to weaken the village first.
Also my character Dexter. Anyone who watches the show knows Dexter only kills killers. Fishin and CoTH havent watched the show (just my luck). And Fishin seems unwilling to take mine or wikipedias word for it.. Dexter the character is basically an ideal choice for a vigilante, but as a wolf he is extremely weak.
The next point is that moster of a PM. It hasnt changed from the PM I showed to my villager ally at the start of n1. If I was going to go to the effort to write a pm that huge I would have had a better response during n1 and today to people than "I cant show you my pm you just have to trust me". When I saw the size of my pm I immediately gave up any hope of managing to fake one, so I just told people I couldnt show mine.
Well if you believe me then lynch matty, if you dont then you will know by tonight and when you realise I have been telling the truth I urge you to be extremely wary of trusting Fishin. I seriously cant understand him doubting me at this point unless he wants the vilalge to lose. Especially when there is a perfectly legitimate lynch target in matty.
You can trust CoTH. He is definitely a villager. CoTH, be careful and good luck, and trust your own judgement!
Also in all future games I am gonna kill fishin whenever possible. He has basically doomed me when I finally have a good role by being a total retard.
Have a nice day.
EW wants to see my logs with CoTH
For those of you who dont know much about dexter..
My conversations with Fishin for good measure:
Have a nice day.
Code:
[17:36:55] <Hipmonlee> oh you are here
[17:37:24] <CardsOfTheHeart> hello hip
[17:38:00] <Hipmonlee> yeah you cant tell everyone who I am
[17:38:16] <Hipmonlee> but you need to stop them from lynching me
[17:38:57] <Hipmonlee> please tell fishin to stop
[17:40:06] <CardsOfTheHeart> why?
[17:40:11] <Hipmonlee> did you get my pms
[17:40:13] <Hipmonlee> on the forums?
[17:40:13] <CardsOfTheHeart> how can i believe what you sent me is the truth?
[17:40:18] <Hipmonlee> read it
[17:40:26] <Hipmonlee> think I put that much effort into faking a pm
[17:40:30] <Hipmonlee> its huge
[17:40:48] <CardsOfTheHeart> with enough time, anyone could fake one
[17:40:54] <CardsOfTheHeart> and you don't have to change that much either
[17:40:58] <Hipmonlee> I only just got on
[17:41:11] <Hipmonlee> well ok whatever, if you are going to believe that then lynch me but come on
[17:41:16] <Hipmonlee> talk to <snip> too
[17:41:27] <Hipmonlee> I gave him that exact same pm yesterday
[17:41:41] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't know what to believe right now
[17:41:45] <Hipmonlee> if I was going to put that much effort into a fake
[17:41:54] <Hipmonlee> I would have had a fake pm
[17:41:55] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'll try to talk it over with fishin
[17:42:03] <Hipmonlee> wait wait
[17:42:07] <Hipmonlee> you cant tell fishin any details
[17:42:22] <Hipmonlee> tell him I am a mayor and I have another secret shitty power or something
[17:42:28] <CardsOfTheHeart> why not?...
[17:42:35] <CardsOfTheHeart> if everything in your pm is completely true...
[17:42:39] <Hipmonlee> shall I tell you my plan in full
[17:42:42] <CardsOfTheHeart> then we might be able to use you
[17:42:44] <Hipmonlee> wait I pmed it to <snip>
[17:42:49] <Hipmonlee> well no shit
[17:43:01] <Hipmonlee> dont tell anyone about <snip> either
[17:43:14] <CardsOfTheHeart> so why hide anything?
[17:43:26] <Hipmonlee> I'll shw you why
[17:44:25] <Hipmonlee> I sent you another pm
[17:45:22] <Hipmonlee> the key is to let everyone know that my power is kinda crap, but much much more crap if it isnt a secret
[17:46:44] <Hipmonlee> also you really only need to create reasonable doubt
[17:47:15] <CardsOfTheHeart> create reasonable doubt in the mafia...
[17:47:19] <CardsOfTheHeart> not in the villagers
[17:47:25] <CardsOfTheHeart> why hide anything from the villagers?
[17:47:25] <Hipmonlee> look
[17:47:32] <Hipmonlee> because I dont know who the villagers are
[17:47:34] <Hipmonlee> except you
[17:47:35] <Hipmonlee> and me
[17:47:38] <Hipmonlee> and <snip>
[17:47:52] <CardsOfTheHeart> you don't trust fishin?
[17:48:00] <Hipmonlee> why would I
[17:48:20] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't know about you...
[17:48:28] <CardsOfTheHeart> but my past experiences have showed me...
[17:48:35] <CardsOfTheHeart> that the first person that calls out to the village...
[17:48:43] <CardsOfTheHeart> is usually trustworthy...
[17:48:49] <Hipmonlee> were you in fe mafia?
[17:48:55] <CardsOfTheHeart> unless i missed one mafia where that wasn't the case...
[17:48:56] <Hipmonlee> because moi and raikage were both mafia
[17:49:03] <CardsOfTheHeart> which was probably fe, wasn't it?
[17:49:16] <Hipmonlee> the start of the game was basically which one do you trust, moi? or raikage?
[17:49:20] <Hipmonlee> well they were both mafia
[17:50:18] <CardsOfTheHeart> sounds like an exception based on what i remember
[17:50:27] <Hipmonlee> it doesnt matter
[17:50:29] <Hipmonlee> with a role like this
[17:50:33] <Hipmonlee> I am going to be careful
[17:50:53] <CardsOfTheHeart> ...like i should have been. ><
[17:51:03] <Hipmonlee> well I dont know your role
[17:51:09] <Hipmonlee> if it is crap then by all means take risks
[17:51:21] <Hipmonlee> also please tell fishin soon
[17:52:17] <Hipmonlee> have you spoken to <snip>?
[17:53:11] <CardsOfTheHeart> i think i'll wait to talk to fishin, first
[17:53:15] <Hipmonlee> dont tell fishin that I am talking to coth
[17:53:18] <Hipmonlee> talking to <snip>
[17:53:20] <Hipmonlee> rather
[17:53:23] <CardsOfTheHeart> this might just be another communication breakdown
[17:53:31] <Hipmonlee> I dont understand
[17:53:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> just how much of the plan do you want me to tell him?
[17:54:06] <CardsOfTheHeart> i see no reason to keep secrets at this point
[17:54:14] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm already fucked if he's mafia
[17:54:20] <Hipmonlee> no you arent
[17:54:20] <Hipmonlee> lol
[17:54:24] <Hipmonlee> not with me on your team
[17:54:28] <Hipmonlee> have you seen my role?
[17:54:43] <CardsOfTheHeart> of course i have
[17:54:52] <Hipmonlee> just tell him that my pm looks really believeable
[17:54:53] <CardsOfTheHeart> you can kill and find killers, basically
[17:55:00] <Hipmonlee> but that you cant tell him the details
[17:55:08] <Hipmonlee> but that I am a mayor and a mason
[17:55:32] <Hipmonlee> and that you think we definitely should trust me
[17:55:45] <Hipmonlee> or if you dont think that then just say that you probably should trust me
[17:55:54] <CardsOfTheHeart> ok, let me see what i can do
[17:56:28] <Hipmonlee> definitely dont tell him about <snip> though
[17:56:38] <CardsOfTheHeart> i wasn't planning to
[17:56:44] <Hipmonlee> I shouldnt have told you that
[18:02:10] <Hipmonlee> also have you guys found the bg yet?
[18:03:43] <Hipmonlee> did you read the pm with my plan in it?
[18:04:33] <Hipmonlee> can you keep me updated on your conversation with fishin
[18:08:11] <Hipmonlee> hello????
[18:08:22] <CardsOfTheHeart> yeah...
[18:08:35] <CardsOfTheHeart> he asked for the role pm you sent me...
[18:08:37] <CardsOfTheHeart> so i did...
[18:08:42] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'll let him be the judge
[18:09:35] <Hipmonlee> oh ffs
[18:09:36] <Hipmonlee> man
[18:09:37] <Hipmonlee> come on
[18:09:55] <Hipmonlee> why?
[18:10:01] <Hipmonlee> seriosuly
[18:10:13] <CardsOfTheHeart> i still see no reason to hide anything between us...
[18:10:22] <CardsOfTheHeart> as far as i'm concerned...
[18:10:22] <Hipmonlee> there had better not be
[18:10:24] <Hipmonlee> seriously
[18:10:38] <CardsOfTheHeart> the plan concerns controlling the flow of info...
[18:10:39] <CardsOfTheHeart> to the mafia
[18:10:47] <CardsOfTheHeart> and mislead them
[18:10:48] <Hipmonlee> yes
[18:10:56] <Hipmonlee> and you possibly just told them everything
[18:11:10] <Hipmonlee> absolutely everything we were trying to control from them
[18:11:20] <CardsOfTheHeart> i trust fishin
[18:11:29] <CardsOfTheHeart> i have little choice but to trust him right now
[18:11:43] <Hipmonlee> yes you do
[18:11:49] <Hipmonlee> youcould have done what I asked
[18:11:51] <Hipmonlee> or
[18:11:56] <Hipmonlee> failing that
[18:11:59] <Hipmonlee> you could have told me
[18:12:07] <Hipmonlee> and I could have resolved the problem
[18:12:13] <Hipmonlee> as opposed to just giving him my pm
[18:13:54] <CardsOfTheHeart> there is one other thing...
[18:14:07] <CardsOfTheHeart> apparently he's giving me access to the village spreadsheet
[18:14:27] <Hipmonlee> well thats a nobrainer
[18:14:32] <CardsOfTheHeart> if it's for real
[18:14:54] <Hipmonlee> unless you decide to pass on information to others without asking the people who gave you the information in
the first place
[18:15:09] <Hipmonlee> then that would probably be a good reason to not let you in on the spreadsheet
[18:15:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> look...
[18:16:06] <CardsOfTheHeart> as far as i'm concerned...
[18:16:19] <CardsOfTheHeart> i've already fucked up in this game...
[18:16:32] <CardsOfTheHeart> so right now i'm just going to stick to my guns...
[18:16:35] <CardsOfTheHeart> and trust fishin
[18:17:15] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't think i can make things a whole lot worse...
[18:17:23] <CardsOfTheHeart> because they might be that bad already
[18:17:39] <Hipmonlee> why do you doubt my role?
[18:17:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> it's circumstancial
[18:18:09] <CardsOfTheHeart> assuming everything is true for a moment
[18:18:15] <CardsOfTheHeart> just for the sake of argument
[18:19:02] <CardsOfTheHeart> ...
[18:19:04] <CardsOfTheHeart> dammit
[18:19:12] <CardsOfTheHeart> i just lost what i was going to say
[18:20:12] <CardsOfTheHeart> fuck
[18:20:17] <CardsOfTheHeart> maybe i'll remember it later
[18:28:43] <Hipmonlee> so howcome you werent willing to mke a decision yourself
[18:30:02] <CardsOfTheHeart> well
[18:30:17] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm not exactly the quickest thinker in the world
[18:30:31] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm not sure if it's because i've been out of mafia too long...
[18:30:37] <CardsOfTheHeart> or whatever the hell it may be...
[18:30:55] <CardsOfTheHeart> but i'm just not quite in the right mindset for this...
[18:30:56] <Hipmonlee> you probably just need more confidence
[18:31:03] <Hipmonlee> mafia is a pretty simple game overall
[18:31:11] <CardsOfTheHeart> that's probably it
[18:31:23] <Hipmonlee> if it was your call
[18:31:28] <Hipmonlee> what would you have done
[18:33:55] <CardsOfTheHeart> i still don't know...
[18:34:03] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm not used to making tough calls
[18:34:18] <Hipmonlee> maybe you should practice
[18:34:27] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't think i've ever had any kind of leadership role in my life
[18:34:36] <CardsOfTheHeart> perhaps i am in need of practice
[18:35:10] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't exactly trust my gut all that often
[18:35:14] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm too analytical
[18:35:38] <CardsOfTheHeart> wait
[18:36:04] <CardsOfTheHeart> am i trusting my gut by placing my trust in fishin?...
[18:36:18] <CardsOfTheHeart> or am i taking a calculated risk based on past experiences?
[18:36:27] <CardsOfTheHeart> i can look at it from both directions
[18:36:37] <CardsOfTheHeart> there might be some irony there, you know
[18:36:38] <CardsOfTheHeart> idk
[18:36:43] <Hipmonlee> why do you trust fishin?
[18:37:45] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't get villager roles often if at all...
[18:37:50] <CardsOfTheHeart> but in the last game i played
[18:37:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> simpsons mafia
[18:38:03] <CardsOfTheHeart> i was a villager
[18:38:10] <CardsOfTheHeart> and moi was basically in charge
[18:38:29] <CardsOfTheHeart> he was the first to reach out to the villagers in the game, iirc
[18:38:42] <CardsOfTheHeart> and that led me to think that was the norm
[18:38:50] <CardsOfTheHeart> because if it was a mafia
[18:39:01] <CardsOfTheHeart> then that's drawing attention to yourself
[18:39:10] <CardsOfTheHeart> it can actually be a big risk
[18:39:20] <CardsOfTheHeart> if you try and do that
[18:39:31] <CardsOfTheHeart> you have be willing to accept any consequences of that
[18:39:43] <CardsOfTheHeart> from what i remember
[18:39:47] <CardsOfTheHeart> those people that do
[18:39:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> those who stick their neck out there like that
[18:40:00] <CardsOfTheHeart> usually
[18:40:08] <CardsOfTheHeart> and i mean, usually
[18:40:15] <CardsOfTheHeart> they can be trusted
[18:40:21] <CardsOfTheHeart> perhaps if i was in fe mafia
[18:40:26] <CardsOfTheHeart> i would think differently
[18:40:48] <CardsOfTheHeart> but that's what i based my decision on
[18:40:54] <CardsOfTheHeart> like i said earlier
[18:40:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> if i'm wrong...
[18:41:07] <CardsOfTheHeart> i've already fucked up too much...
[18:41:11] <CardsOfTheHeart> what have i got to lose?
[18:41:22] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't even have to survive to win...
[18:41:32] <CardsOfTheHeart> but my death would probably be a setback
[18:42:18] <CardsOfTheHeart> still
[18:42:26] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't think it can get much worse
[18:42:32] <Hipmonlee> well you do have to trust someone
[18:42:43] <Hipmonlee> I guess you had the help of lesm early on
[18:42:51] <Hipmonlee> but now he is gone
[18:42:57] <CardsOfTheHeart> true
[18:42:57] <Hipmonlee> in surprising circumstances too
[18:43:04] <CardsOfTheHeart> he was willing to go to him
[18:43:10] <CardsOfTheHeart> to explain the whole story
[18:43:17] <CardsOfTheHeart> ...and i didn't actually trust him enough
[18:43:20] <CardsOfTheHeart> odd, huh?
[18:43:36] <Hipmonlee> who was willing to go to who?
[18:43:49] <CardsOfTheHeart> lesm talking to fishin
[18:43:55] <CardsOfTheHeart> when i was getting lynched
[18:43:59] <Hipmonlee> oic
[18:44:15] <Hipmonlee> lesm trusted me enough to tell me his name too
[18:44:32] <Hipmonlee> it turned out I was the one person who he shouldnt have
[18:44:39] <Hipmonlee> but we didnt know that at the time
[18:45:00] <Hipmonlee> see I had you pegged as doakes part way through d1
[18:45:13] <Hipmonlee> but yeah in the end someone else managed to kill him
[18:45:27] <Hipmonlee> the inspector in n1 is pretty unlucky
[18:45:30] <CardsOfTheHeart> how did you think i was doakes?
[18:45:40] <Hipmonlee> well
[18:45:44] <Hipmonlee> I had a lot of powers
[18:45:52] <Hipmonlee> so I figured the guy chasing me had a lot of powers
[18:45:57] <Hipmonlee> you said you were mayor and inspector
[18:46:01] <Hipmonlee> I am mayor and inspector
[18:46:09] <Hipmonlee> or at least fishin said you said you were
[18:46:25] <CardsOfTheHeart> ic
[18:47:04] <CardsOfTheHeart> well, you might get to hear the real story in due time
[18:47:10] <CardsOfTheHeart> if you don't already know ><
[18:47:32] <Hipmonlee> nah I dont know anyone
[18:49:39] <CardsOfTheHeart> btw
[18:49:44] <CardsOfTheHeart> you said in the thread
[18:49:52] <CardsOfTheHeart> that you mistook me for thorns
[18:49:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> that's not really true, right?
[18:50:25] <Hipmonlee> I thought lesm had told me thorns was his partner
[18:50:31] <Hipmonlee> but it was you
[18:50:53] <Hipmonlee> I dunno how I made that mistake
[18:51:17] <CardsOfTheHeart> :P
[18:51:42] <Hipmonlee> so have you guys found the bodyguard?
[18:53:26] <CardsOfTheHeart> hold on a sec
[18:53:27] <CardsOfTheHeart> bathroom break
[18:53:31] <CardsOfTheHeart> :P
[19:10:00] <Hipmonlee> did lesm tell you that he told me that he was doakes?
[19:19:17] <CardsOfTheHeart> back
[19:19:37] <CardsOfTheHeart> actually...
[19:19:49] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't remember him saying anything about talking to you
[19:19:58] <CardsOfTheHeart> much less revealing that he was doakes
[19:20:13] <CardsOfTheHeart> he told me that he was going to false claim chuck bartowski
[19:20:25] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm not sure why he'd tell you any different
[19:22:54] <Hipmonlee> he told me he was doakes
[19:23:12] <Hipmonlee> probably because he trusted me when I said I Was a villager
[19:23:24] <Hipmonlee> probably because I was telling the truth about being a villager
[19:24:06] <CardsOfTheHeart> how did you convince him?
[19:24:15] <CardsOfTheHeart> certainly saying you're a villager wouldn't be enough
[19:24:22] <Hipmonlee> he just knows I am trustworthy
[19:24:47] <CardsOfTheHeart> eh, that makes sense, i guess
[19:25:43] <CardsOfTheHeart> i'm usually a little more apprehensive...
[19:25:53] <CardsOfTheHeart> when someone approaches me
[19:25:57] <CardsOfTheHeart> and says they're villy
[19:26:16] <CardsOfTheHeart> that's actually why...
[19:26:25] <CardsOfTheHeart> i brushed jedil off and changed the subject...
[19:26:28] <CardsOfTheHeart> when he talked to me
[19:26:40] <CardsOfTheHeart> you realize he was a village bodyguard, right?
[19:27:23] <Hipmonlee> well only half
[19:29:57] <CardsOfTheHeart> wait, only half?
[19:30:02] <CardsOfTheHeart> what's that supposed to mean?
[19:30:24] <Hipmonlee> well he redirected kills to himself
[19:30:31] <CardsOfTheHeart> and items
[19:30:40] <Hipmonlee> oic
[19:30:50] <Hipmonlee> but still, its not really a bg
[19:30:57] <Hipmonlee> it doesnt stop the kill
[19:30:59] <Hipmonlee> just moves it
[19:31:12] <Hipmonlee> do you watch dexter btw?
[19:32:26] <CardsOfTheHeart> i don't know if i get showtime
[19:32:34] <CardsOfTheHeart> so it's safe to say that i don't watch it
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[20:46:40] <@Hipmonlee> aldaron
[20:46:55] <@Hipmonlee> does dexter seem more likely to be a role that has to kill everyone
[20:47:01] <@Hipmonlee> or a role that has to kill badguys
[20:47:06] <@aldaron> badguys
[20:47:16] <@aldaron> dexter has never killed an innocent on purposeMy conversations with Fishin for good measure:
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[11:30:06] <Hipmonlee> hi
[11:30:19] <Fishin> hello
[11:30:35] <Hipmonlee> how is mafia going
[11:30:46] <Fishin> hmm
[11:30:51] <Fishin> i am torn on this lynch
[11:30:58] <Fishin> there is a part of me that thinks it would be the best decision
[11:31:04] <Fishin> but there's not a lot of enthusias
[11:31:06] <Fishin> m
[11:31:13] <Hipmonlee> oh I probably should have checked the thread again
[11:31:30] <Hipmonlee> oh coth?
[11:31:37] <Fishin> yeah
[11:32:00] <Hipmonlee> what is the story there
[11:32:09] <Hipmonlee> actually
[11:32:13] <Hipmonlee> what is the story with you
[11:32:20] <Fishin> with me?
[11:32:36] <Hipmonlee> well you asked everyone to get in touch with you
[11:32:38] <Fishin> i'm allied with the village, trying to get in contact with as many people as possible
[11:32:45] <Fishin> but as for coth
[11:32:59] <Fishin> he is seriously suspicious
[11:33:01] <Hipmonlee> I assume you arent just telling them to do so without giving us some kind of reason to trust you
[11:33:17] <Fishin> i'm claiming to them, yes
[11:33:29] <Hipmonlee> so are you going to claim to me or not
[11:33:33] <Fishin> which is the most i can do
[11:33:42] <Fishin> you want to trade roles?
[11:34:01] <Hipmonlee> how about you tell me what you are and if it sounds reasonable I'll give you my info
[11:34:20] <Fishin> err
[11:34:26] <Fishin> no
[11:34:33] <Hipmonlee> if you want people to unite around you
[11:34:41] <Fishin> i'm not going to give you information without a promise of something in return
[11:34:42] <Hipmonlee> you sorta need to give them a reason
[11:35:20] <Hipmonlee> well I am not going to trust you just because you posted in the thread telling everyone to get in touch with you
[11:35:48] <Fishin> would you be willing to just exchange the name of our roles, then?
[11:35:49] <Hipmonlee> I would have assumed if you were going to do that you would be able to convince people you are what you claim to be
[11:35:54] <Fishin> the people, i mean, not the functions
[11:36:17] <Hipmonlee> ok, but you go first
[11:36:24] <Fishin> alright
[11:36:29] <Fishin> i'm ichigo kurosaki
[11:36:38] <Hipmonlee> who the hell is that
[11:36:41] <Fishin> lol
[11:36:46] <Fishin> it's a character from bleach
[11:36:50] <Fishin> an anime
[11:37:23] <Hipmonlee> tbh, I dont believe you
[11:37:51] <Fishin> believe it or don't
[11:37:54] <Fishin> are you going to tell me your character claim?
[11:38:20] <Hipmonlee> im jeb bush
[11:38:32] <Fishin> the governer of florida?
[11:38:38] <Hipmonlee> yeah
[11:38:44] <Hipmonlee> ex governer I think
[11:40:24] <Hipmonlee> you know
[11:40:32] <Hipmonlee> when you say "everyone get in touch with me"
[11:40:35] <Fishin> yeah, i live in floirda
[11:40:39] <Fishin> ?
[11:40:54] <Hipmonlee> you really need to be convincing that you are who you say
[11:41:18] <Hipmonlee> I mean, I dont understand why anyone would tell you who they are
[11:41:24] <Hipmonlee> at least more than just a name
[11:41:34] <Fishin> i don't understand why coth did either
[11:41:39] <Fishin> that's why i'm so suspicious of him
[11:41:51] <Fishin> he just came out and said "i'm the inspector" without even hearing my name
[11:41:57] <Hipmonlee> he is the only other person to get in touch with you
[11:42:06] <Fishin> no, plenty of other people have
[11:42:13] <Fishin> but they've just exchanged role names and such for the most part
[11:42:15] <Hipmonlee> have any of them claimed inspector
[11:42:25] <Fishin> yes
[11:42:29] <Fishin> i have 3 apparent inspectors
[11:42:39] <Hipmonlee> lol
[11:42:41] <Fishin> one or more are almost certainly lying
[11:42:45] <Fishin> i mean...3 inspectors?
[11:43:03] <Fishin> and coth is the most suspicious out of all of them
[11:43:04] <Hipmonlee> of the people who have contacted you
[11:43:09] <Hipmonlee> who is the least suspicious
[11:43:19] <Fishin> hmm
[11:43:41] <Fishin> hard to say, but i guess fishy and gmax maybe
[11:43:49] <Fishin> they're the ones i've been talking to the most about coth
[11:44:14] <Fishin> i don't know 100% of what their roles are
[11:44:36] <Fishin> anyways, the second inspector claim is coth's "partner"
[11:44:43] <Fishin> and the third is someone separate entirey
[11:44:48] <Fishin> entirely
[11:45:52] <Fishin> what do you think about the situation?
[11:46:04] <Hipmonlee> if there is any doubt
[11:46:08] <Hipmonlee> I'd let the inspector live
[11:46:22] <Fishin> hmm
[11:47:20] <Fishin> i guess i could just wait for results from all of them
[11:47:27] <Fishin> ugh
[11:47:33] <Fishin> this starting out on d1 thing is a pain
[11:49:24] <Hipmonlee> has anyone voted to lynch coth without speaking to you first?
[11:49:44] <Hipmonlee> I am looking at annhialator zero
[11:49:46] <Hipmonlee> specifically
[11:49:59] <Fishin> i only talked to hobo joe very briefly, and didn't talk to him at all about the lynch
[11:50:08] <Fishin> i haven't talked to annhialator zero at all
[11:51:01] <Hipmonlee> I'd think anyone who votes for coth at this point would be highly suspicious
[11:51:20] <Hipmonlee> perhaps if you leave things up in the air for a while you can catch someone that way
[11:51:44] <Fishin> hmm
[11:53:24] <Fishin> so there are two currently standing votes for, and one "no lynch"
[11:59:59] <Hipmonlee> is lady platina ipl?
[12:00:11] <Fishin> not afaik
[12:00:42] <Hipmonlee> do you know our thief?
[12:01:01] <Fishin> i have a claim of thief, yes
[12:01:34] <Hipmonlee> did cpu pm you btw?
[12:01:46] <Fishin> yeah
[12:02:04] <Hipmonlee> who do you think has the irc knowledge to do something like thart
[12:02:07] <Hipmonlee> in this game
[12:02:30] <Fishin> actually, the guy who was cpu already talked to me
[12:02:37] <Fishin> he is almost certainly a villager
[12:02:42] <Hipmonlee> you know who it is
[12:02:48] <Fishin> yes
[12:03:04] <Hipmonlee> who is it?
[12:03:34] <Fishin> err
[12:03:40] <Fishin> what reason do i have to tell you?
[12:03:49] <Hipmonlee> do you have reason not to
[12:03:53] <Fishin> yes
[12:04:15] <Fishin> he apparently isn't a thief, he's just someone who's looking for a certain item
[12:05:01] <Hipmonlee> how almost certainly is he a villager?
[12:05:44] <Fishin> pretty likely, i'd say
[10:21:31] <Fishin> hey
[10:21:37] <Hipmonlee> hi
[10:21:43] <Fishin> about your role
[10:21:49] <Fishin> i've already heard about what it is from someone else
[10:21:49] <Hipmonlee> yeah?
[10:21:54] <Fishin> mayor
[10:21:58] <Fishin> is that right?
[10:22:05] <Hipmonlee> yeah there is another part to it too
[10:22:13] <Fishin> oh
[10:22:18] <Fishin> i was going to ask you to post it
[10:22:30] <Hipmonlee> no I cant
[10:22:30] <Fishin> since if that was all you shouldn't have any problems doing so since it wouldn't contain any additional info
[10:22:36] <Hipmonlee> lesm just interrogated me about it
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[10:22:38] <Fishin> ah, i see
[17:11:55] <Fishin> hip
[17:12:00] <Fishin> if you want to live
[17:12:02] <Fishin> role PM now
[17:12:21] <Hipmonlee> heh
[17:12:32] <Hipmonlee> I just said I'll tell coth
[17:12:35] <Hipmonlee> would you trust coth?
[17:12:41] <Hipmonlee> I mean
[17:12:41] <Fishin> yes
[17:12:42] <Hipmonlee> unlike you
[17:12:44] <Fishin> but i want you to tell me
[17:12:47] <Hipmonlee> he has been confirmed as a villager
[17:12:54] <Fishin> you're on the lynching board
[17:12:59] <Fishin> and every second gives you more time to fake something
[17:12:59] <Hipmonlee> I said I'll tell coth, so I'll tell coth
[17:13:22] <Fishin> you'll only tell someone who's not here right now and probably won't be for awhile
[17:13:30] <Hipmonlee> he is on the forums right now
[17:13:37] <Hipmonlee> I'll send the pm right now if you want
[17:13:39] <Fishin> PM it to him then
[17:13:40] <Fishin> right now
[17:13:42] <Hipmonlee> tell him to check the time
[17:13:43] <Fishin> please do
[17:17:34] <Hipmonlee> so I take it you inspected me?
[17:17:56] <Fishin> maybe
[17:17:59] <Hipmonlee> do you mind if I ask what result you got?
[17:18:06] <Hipmonlee> I am curious
[17:18:16] <Fishin> i'm more curious
[17:18:22] <Fishin> what's the result supposed to be if you're inspected?
[17:18:29] <Hipmonlee> something bad
[17:18:37] <Hipmonlee> I dont know the details
[17:19:01] <Fishin> hmm
[17:21:34] <Hipmonlee> well perhaps coth isnt around
[17:21:43] <Hipmonlee> that would be kind of annoying
[18:13:56] <Hipmonlee> you had better not tell anyone about my role
[18:13:58] <Hipmonlee> fucking hell
[18:14:03] <Hipmonlee> why does nobody fucking listen
[18:14:58] <Fishin> hmm
[18:15:13] <Fishin> it's really hard to decide whether or not to believe this
[18:15:19] <Hipmonlee> no it isnt
[18:15:23] <Hipmonlee> its fucking obvious
[18:15:26] <Hipmonlee> either way stop the lynch
[18:15:33] <Fishin> look at your abilities
[18:15:37] <Hipmonlee> oh come on
[18:15:41] <Fishin> they're too much for one villager
[18:15:49] <Hipmonlee> if I was going to fake a pm
[18:15:52] <Hipmonlee> I would have faked a pm
[18:16:00] <Hipmonlee> as opposed to saying "oh just trust me"
[18:16:37] <Hipmonlee> I have an idea though, why not share my pm with everyone and ask their opinions
[18:16:53] <Hipmonlee> thats common mafia practice I gather
[18:17:31] <Fishin> i think rather than faking a PM
[18:17:43] <Fishin> it sounds to me like you just gave me your PM but with the winning condition changed
[18:18:12] <Hipmonlee> have you ever watched dexter?
[18:18:16] <Fishin> no
[18:18:26] <Hipmonlee> well that helps
[18:18:39] <Hipmonlee> dexter is a serial killer who only kills other killers
[18:18:51] <Hipmonlee> wikipedia it or something
[18:19:03] <Fishin> i'm looking for it right now
[18:20:08] <Hipmonlee> Orphaned at the age of three and harboring a traumatic secret, Dexter (Michael C. Hall, Six Feet Under) was adopted by a Miami police officer named Harry Morgan (James Remar), who recognized Dexter's sociopathic tendencies and taught him to channel his gruesome passion for thrill killing by giving it a constructive direction: killing people who deserve it. Most have slipped through the justice system, due to loopholes and technicalities in the law or were never apprehended.
[18:24:40] <Hipmonlee> anyway, if you decide to trust me, you cant tell anyone anything about my role, except that I am a mayor and mason
[18:25:23] <Hipmonlee> if you decide to kill me then we lose anyway so it doesnt matter what you do
[18:26:13] <Hipmonlee> I guess you should keep me informed
[18:26:18] <Hipmonlee> whatever you decide
[18:26:37] <Fishin> i'm still thinking
[18:34:48] <Hipmonlee> also if you do decide to let me live, it should be in a kind of "well hipmonlee might just be the mason, so it is probably safer to lynch matty" kind of way
[18:35:13] <Fishin> that would make sense i guess
[18:53:41] <Hipmonlee> is a decision likely to be made soon?
[18:54:29] <Fishin> hmm
[18:54:48] <Hipmonlee> atm I'm just hanging around thinking of options I have if you decide to go ahead with the lynch
[18:55:02] <Hipmonlee> and refreshing a lot
[18:55:27] <Hipmonlee> I am still curious about what your inspection results actually are too
[18:56:03] <Fishin> oh, about the inspection results
[18:56:31] <Fishin> it wasn't a regular inspector
[18:56:37] <Fishin> so you didn't show up as the bay murderer
[18:57:00] <Hipmonlee> what did I show up as
[18:57:13] <Fishin> you showed up as a guy who can kidnap, kill, steal, inspect, and has mayor
[18:57:21] <Fishin> it freaking screams wolf
[18:57:42] <Hipmonlee> if you look in my pm it doesnt actually say thief at all
[18:57:47] <Fishin> the message was this
[18:57:48] <Fishin> You stalk the mysterious user Hipmonlee to his house and as you do this your mind begins to tick. After observing him for a while you are taken aback by the amount of abilities that he has. From your observations it seems that Hipmonlee has the ability to acquire DNA from players during the night and examine crime scenes during the day. It also seems that he can make people vanish during the...
[18:57:49] <Fishin> ...night and steal their items before killing the the next night. He also seems to have a lot of influence making his votes during the day count 2!
[18:58:07] <Hipmonlee> ic
[18:58:19] <Hipmonlee> wel yeah on the other hand
[18:58:26] <Hipmonlee> I have a character devoted to killing me
[18:58:32] <Hipmonlee> who is no less than the village inspector
[18:58:43] <Fishin> yeah, but still
[18:58:44] <Hipmonlee> its a bit harsh on a wolf, telling the village who they are at the start of the game
[18:58:48] <Hipmonlee> I am a mason too
[18:58:56] <Fishin> that is seriously a powerful role
[18:59:02] <Hipmonlee> indeed it is
[18:59:03] <Fishin> we already have one vigilante
[18:59:15] <Hipmonlee> do you already have an inspector too?
[18:59:18] <Fishin> and there's another person that's likely to be one
[18:59:23] <Fishin> two, in fact
[18:59:24] <Hipmonlee> I mean
[18:59:28] <Hipmonlee> 5 people died night 1
[18:59:34] <Fishin> also i'm confused about your win condition
[18:59:48] <Hipmonlee> I also was a little confused about that
[18:59:55] <Hipmonlee> I guess I may be able to win with the wolf
[18:59:59] <Fishin> one of those people was just hit by a kidnapping ability that acts as a hook + silencer
[19:00:10] <Fishin> they'll come back later
[19:00:17] <Fishin> i have no idea about the other two
[19:00:24] <Hipmonlee> I got annhialator
[19:00:49] <Fishin> i'm not really sure about him
[19:00:52] <Hipmonlee> well
[19:00:56] <Hipmonlee> thats another thing
[19:01:02] <Hipmonlee> why would I target annhialator
[19:01:08] <Hipmonlee> I told you yesterday
[19:01:11] <Hipmonlee> about him
[19:01:26] <Hipmonlee> [11:49:24] <Hipmonlee> has anyone voted to lynch coth without speaking to you first?
[19:01:26] <Hipmonlee> [11:49:44] <Hipmonlee> I am looking at annhialator zero
[19:01:26] <Hipmonlee> [11:49:46] <Hipmonlee> specifically
[19:01:34] <Fishin> oh
[19:01:34] <Hipmonlee> I suspected he was a mafia and then I killed him
[19:01:49] <Hipmonlee> the wolf would be more likely to kill a vilalger
[19:01:53] <Hipmonlee> further evidence
[19:01:59] <Hipmonlee> lesm told me he was doakes
[19:02:03] <Hipmonlee> and I didnt kill him
[19:02:18] <Fishin> wouldn't it be your goal to kill doakes, though
[19:02:20] <Hipmonlee> because I wanted to work out if he and I could both win together
[19:02:26] <Hipmonlee> indeed it would
[19:02:27] <Hipmonlee> but
[19:02:33] <Hipmonlee> I also want the village to win
[19:02:41] <Hipmonlee> so I wanted to find out about doakes before I killed him
[19:03:02] <Hipmonlee> since he would be a big village asset
[19:03:22] <Fishin> hmm
[19:04:48] <Hipmonlee> see the thing is I dont need to survive in order to win
[19:05:10] <Hipmonlee> the only way me and doakes could have had conflicting win conditions is if doakes had to survive to win
[19:05:30] <Fishin> doesn't doakes need you dead?
[19:05:34] <Hipmonlee> yep
[19:05:38] <Hipmonlee> but I dont need to live to win
[19:05:49] <Fishin> but you do need him dead
[19:05:50] <Fishin> oh
[19:05:55] <Fishin> so if you both die, you can both win?
[19:05:57] <Hipmonlee> but obviously with how powerful I am it would be highly beneficial
[19:05:59] <Hipmonlee> yep
[19:06:03] <Hipmonlee> seems so
[19:06:33] <Hipmonlee> I had assumed doakes would be stronger
[19:06:42] <Hipmonlee> considering how strong I am
[19:06:51] <Fishin> yeah
[19:06:53] <Fishin> it's pretty unbalanced
[19:07:39] <Hipmonlee> I guess the idea is he would have the assistance of the vilalge
[19:07:45] <Hipmonlee> and I would have just myself
[19:08:11] <Fishin> i don't know
[19:08:25] <Fishin> i'm still finding it really hard to believe you actually aren't a wolf
[19:08:46] <Hipmonlee> the only thing you are basing it on is my role is powerful
[19:09:02] <Hipmonlee> everything else points to villager
[19:09:38] <Hipmonlee> seriously why wouldnt I kill doakes
[19:09:44] <Hipmonlee> I knew exactly who he was
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:49:51] <Lesm46> i'm just worried about a simpsons situation where homer died because he revealed himself
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:50:09] <Hipmonlee> homwer was a neutral
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:50:13] <Lesm46> that's true
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:50:35] <Hipmonlee> im also concerned about a similar situation so I am looking for someone to trust
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:50:42] <Lesm46> hmm
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:50:55] <Lesm46> someone is after you?
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:51:03] <Hipmonlee> not to my knowledge
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:52:15] <Lesm46> well can i just ask why you don't want to contact fishin?
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:52:23] <Hipmonlee> I havent seen him on
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:52:29] <Hipmonlee> but I dont know him as well as you
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:53:03] <Lesm46> i'll take a risk and exchange my role name then
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:53:10] <Lesm46> please don't tell anyone though
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:53:12] <Hipmonlee> k
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:53:24] <Lesm46> i am sergeant doakes from dexter
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:53:29] <Lesm46> what are you?
[19:11:19] <Hipmonlee> [09:53:37] <Hipmonlee> im jeb bush
[19:11:26] <Hipmonlee> thats my conversation with lesm
[19:11:38] <Fishin> oh
[19:17:36] <Hipmonlee> so any movement likely?
[19:18:47] <Fishin> i'm not sure
[19:18:52] <Fishin> i'm just finding it too hard to believe
[19:19:01] <Fishin> i PMed cardsoftheheart with what i thought, he hasn't responded yet
[19:19:10] <Hipmonlee> he wont make a decision
[19:19:20] <Hipmonlee> hence giving you my pm in the first place
[19:19:38] <Hipmonlee> can you think of any reason I would kill annhialator zero?
[19:20:12] <Fishin> it seems like a bit of a rash decision to make
[19:20:22] <Fishin> i'm not sure whether he's village or mafia
[19:20:28] <Fishin> but there are people way more suspicious than him
[19:20:29] <Hipmonlee> I have to kill someone
[19:20:38] <Hipmonlee> I dont know who the suspicious people are
[19:20:42] <Fishin> oh, i forgot about that
[19:20:46] <Fishin> but you could've asked
[19:20:48] <Hipmonlee> but it sure as hell wasnt doakes
[19:20:50] <Hipmonlee> no I couldnt
[19:21:01] <Hipmonlee> who would I ask
[19:21:08] <Hipmonlee> I still dont trust you
[19:21:18] <Hipmonlee> but thanks to coth I have nothing to hide from you
[19:21:33] <Fishin> not even the stealing thing?
[19:21:40] <Hipmonlee> what stealing thing
[19:21:43] <Hipmonlee> you know about it
[19:21:48] <Hipmonlee> theres nothing in the pm
[19:21:57] <Hipmonlee> there is nothing in the pm that I got
[19:26:25] <Hipmonlee> so when you say you are finding it too hard to believe you are saying that you want the lynch to continue despite everything I have said?
[19:26:35] <Hipmonlee> or you are saying you are still making up your mind
[19:27:00] <Hipmonlee> cause I am sitting around waiting for some kind of indication
[19:27:03] <Hipmonlee> its boring
[19:29:10] <Hipmonlee> there are only so many budget analyses I can bear
[19:31:02] <Fishin> i don't know
[19:31:11] <Fishin> it's impossible to make an actual correct decision
[19:31:24] <Fishin> but i guess this seems like the best option
[19:31:26] <Hipmonlee> yes but its necessary to make a decision
[19:34:21] <Fishin> ugh
[19:34:23] <Fishin> i guess
[19:34:26] <Fishin> i'll just stick with this
[19:34:34] <Hipmonlee> stick with what?
[19:34:34] <Fishin> and think about it more
[19:34:42] <Fishin> lynching you, what i'm doing right now
[19:34:50] <Hipmonlee> why?
[19:34:52] <Hipmonlee> look
[19:35:04] <Hipmonlee> dexter doesnt kill people who arent killers
[19:35:14] <Hipmonlee> I didnt kill lesm when I have the chance
[19:35:19] <Hipmonlee> I sure as hell didnt fake that pm
[19:35:32] <Hipmonlee> which actually has constant mentions of being a defender of miami
[19:35:55] <Hipmonlee> you can lynch matty who is a mafia anyway
[19:38:21] <Hipmonlee> all you have is "this role is powerful"
[19:39:42] <Hipmonlee> I guess you would want me dead if you were a mafia
[19:39:49] <Fishin> its powerful enough to be a wolf
[19:39:54] <Hipmonlee> yeah it is
[19:39:54] <Fishin> which is of course what i thought at first
[19:39:56] <Hipmonlee> but im not a wolf
[19:40:04] <Hipmonlee> I havent done anything to suggest I am a wolf
[19:40:35] <Fishin> actually you were very suspicious for quite awhile but if you actually were village you had an excuse
[19:40:42] <Hipmonlee> exactly
[19:41:03] <Hipmonlee> of course I was suspicious, but I havent done anything other than what someone with this role would do
[19:41:27] <Fishin> or what a wolf would do
[19:41:42] <Hipmonlee> weight it up on the pro side: powerful role
[19:42:10] <Hipmonlee> con side: giant pm, character that logically fits vigilante not wolf, didnt kill lesm
[19:42:35] <Hipmonlee> what else is there in this decision
[19:42:39] <Fishin> not killing lesm doesn't really mean anything as far as i can see
[19:42:49] <Hipmonlee> why wouldnt I kill lesm
[19:42:51] <Fishin> it means that you weren't obsessed with killing him from the start
[19:43:02] <Hipmonlee> its my win condition
[19:43:05] <Hipmonlee> what else would I do
[19:43:07] <Hipmonlee> kill a random
[19:43:08] <Fishin> and yet that's exactly what's in the win condition you're claiming
[19:43:17] <Hipmonlee> its in lesms win condition too
[19:43:25] <Hipmonlee> he is out there trying to kill me
[19:43:27] <Hipmonlee> I knew that
[19:43:35] <Hipmonlee> its also in the body of my pm
[19:43:40] <Hipmonlee> come on
[19:44:04] <Hipmonlee> if I am not killing lesm, then why kill annhialator
[19:44:07] <Hipmonlee> some random
[19:44:30] <Hipmonlee> some random that I had previously suggested to you might well be a mafia
[19:44:48] <Fishin> see
[19:44:54] <Hipmonlee> see what
[19:44:57] <Hipmonlee> this is gonna be great
[19:45:03] <Fishin> if i was in your position, and had the role you claim to have
[19:45:09] <Fishin> i would kill lesm as soon as i found him
[19:45:10] <Hipmonlee> you would lose
[19:45:11] <Hipmonlee> I know
[19:45:25] <Fishin> because as soon as i killed lesm, i would be in the clear
[19:45:36] <Fishin> there wouldn't be two conflicting win conditions within the village
[19:45:39] <Hipmonlee> no you wouldnt
[19:45:47] <Hipmonlee> yes there would
[19:45:54] <Hipmonlee> why wouldnt there be that is ridiculous
[19:46:04] <Hipmonlee> and come to think of it they dont even conflict
[19:46:12] <Hipmonlee> since we can both win together
[19:46:17] <Hipmonlee> as I pointed out earlier
[19:46:21] <Hipmonlee> which is what I wanted to know
[19:46:26] <Hipmonlee> before I killed the village inspector
[19:47:30] <Hipmonlee> second point
[19:47:38] <Hipmonlee> lets say you were what you claim I am
[19:47:39] <Hipmonlee> the wolf
[19:47:44] <Hipmonlee> who would you have killed
[19:47:50] <Hipmonlee> I am guessing its doakes
[19:48:07] <Fishin> i think i might've just killed doakes either way
[19:48:16] <Hipmonlee> yeah
[19:48:17] <Hipmonlee> and I didnt
[19:48:32] <Hipmonlee> what reason can you come up for as the wolf that I would kill someone else
[19:48:56] <Fishin> i still don't understand exactly
[19:49:06] <Hipmonlee> yeah because it makes no sense
[19:49:08] <Fishin> besides the fact that you had to kill
[19:49:23] <Hipmonlee> well yeah I had to kill and as the wolf I would have killed doakes
[19:49:24] <Hipmonlee> no doubt
[19:49:41] <Hipmonlee> as the villager doakes is an asset
[19:49:45] <Hipmonlee> at least in the short term
[19:50:13] <Hipmonlee> and all you have
[19:50:16] <Hipmonlee> the only thing you have
[19:50:20] <Hipmonlee> is "this role is strong"
[19:50:27] <Hipmonlee> come on its nothing
[19:50:33] <Fishin> no
[19:50:34] <Fishin> it's not
[19:50:39] <Fishin> it's extremely unnatural
[19:50:43] <Fishin> but just...ugh
[19:50:45] <Hipmonlee> how do you expect to win a game if you kill off all the strong roles on your side
[19:51:07] <Hipmonlee> also did you wikipedia dexter
[19:51:09] <Fishin> i'm having trouble believing you're on my side
[19:51:21] <Hipmonlee> im having trouble believing you're on my side
[19:51:25] <Fishin> because there are one (and possibly two) roles that also have killing powers
[19:51:34] <Hipmonlee> so what
[19:51:51] <Fishin> so that's extremely unusual for there to possibly be 3 vigilantes
[19:51:51] <Hipmonlee> did you play in dbz mafia?
[19:51:54] <Fishin> it just isn't adding up
[19:51:56] <Fishin> yes
[19:51:59] <Hipmonlee> maybe the other dudes are lying
[19:52:04] <Fishin> i was rather out of the loop then
[19:52:45] <Hipmonlee> and if you wikipedia'd dexter you would know that he doesnt fit a wolf character
[19:53:01] <Hipmonlee> he works for the police and kills people who escape justice
[19:53:06] <Fishin> actually, in my opinion, he sort of does
[19:53:11] <Hipmonlee> no he really doesnt
[19:53:14] <Fishin> he also is trying to kill doakes
[19:53:17] <Fishin> who is innocent
[19:53:25] <Hipmonlee> it would be almost as bad as rorscharch being a supervillain
[19:53:35] <Hipmonlee> doakes isnt all that innocent
[19:55:06] <Hipmonlee> but yeah, having to kill one innocent person is a reasonable shift from the character
[19:55:13] <Hipmonlee> having to kill everyone is just ridiculous
[19:55:28] <Hipmonlee> especially when there are a million characters you could choose for that role
[19:55:46] <Hipmonlee> but all your returns are pretty feeble
[19:55:55] <Fishin> lol
[19:55:59] <Hipmonlee> you are assuming that powerful role means wolf
[19:56:20] <Hipmonlee> dexter doesnt fit being a wolf, my actions dont fit being a wolf
[19:56:24] <Fishin> unnaturally powerful role who fits right into the wolf mold means wolf
[19:56:34] <Fishin> and doesn't fit into the village mold at all
[20:04:34] <Fishin> anyways, i should've been to bed 20 minutes ago
[20:04:42] <Fishin> like i said, i'll think about this more tomorrow
[20:04:54] <Hipmonlee> I should have been gone like 2 hours ago
[20:04:58] <Hipmonlee> but I waited around for you
[20:05:02] <Hipmonlee> I am posting at the momentHave a nice day.
There are several problems with that. The first is just the plain absurdity of Dexter's supposed abilities - he's a village killer in a game with one and possibly two other village killers (more than one per game, and a small game at that, is incredibly rare). The way that he was inspected wasn't through a normal inspector, but one that just showed abilities, not alliance or name:
Note that the mentioned stealing ability isn't present anywhere in his PM.
I'm thinking that he actually is Dexter, but he simply changed the win condition of his PM (likely wolf, his abilities are actually stronger than those of many small-game wolves in the past) to something more favorable to the village, as he delayed on sending the PM at first but wouldn't have had enough time to write up the whole thing.
Also, assuming you actually are with the village, I have no idea what you're playing at by publicly posting your entire PM except making a desperate bid for the bodyguard's protection so you can continue to stay alive instead of doing things discreetly and not revealing yourself to the mafia. If you actually were with the village I'd expect you to PM the most trustworthy villagers (and just asked CotH for their names if you couldn't think of any - as you know, he's proven villager and I just gave him access to the village spreadsheet) besides me and present your case to them instead of just throwing everything out there.
I don't really have anything to say about the flavor of Dexter being wolf or not. It's true that he seems to be more of a vigilante by personality than a wolf, but he's clearly not right in the head either way. He's also aiming to kill Doakes, who seems to be pretty much innocent.
I suppose if anything he could be left alive under the condition that he cooperate entirely with the village without being told any sensitive information, but that's still a big risk to take. Hip has a very high chance of being a dangerous enemy and a very small chance of being village aligned (which we can't prove thanks to that convenient inspection changer); matty has a 100% chance of being an enemy. I guess votes should be cast with whichever you consider the better target in mind.
Note that the mentioned stealing ability isn't present anywhere in his PM.
I'm thinking that he actually is Dexter, but he simply changed the win condition of his PM (likely wolf, his abilities are actually stronger than those of many small-game wolves in the past) to something more favorable to the village, as he delayed on sending the PM at first but wouldn't have had enough time to write up the whole thing.
I'm still not entirely sure why killing a random who had a chance of being mafia was a better choice than asking anyone for leads who were significantly suspicious, who we had several of as of n1. Whether wolf or the actual Dexter in that PM, the best choice would actually be to kill off Lesm (as wolf, you're getting rid of an inspector who can incriminate you - as village-aligned Dexter, you're getting rid of the one person that makes you even partially an enemy of the village).Hipmonlee said:
Also, assuming you actually are with the village, I have no idea what you're playing at by publicly posting your entire PM except making a desperate bid for the bodyguard's protection so you can continue to stay alive instead of doing things discreetly and not revealing yourself to the mafia. If you actually were with the village I'd expect you to PM the most trustworthy villagers (and just asked CotH for their names if you couldn't think of any - as you know, he's proven villager and I just gave him access to the village spreadsheet) besides me and present your case to them instead of just throwing everything out there.
I don't really have anything to say about the flavor of Dexter being wolf or not. It's true that he seems to be more of a vigilante by personality than a wolf, but he's clearly not right in the head either way. He's also aiming to kill Doakes, who seems to be pretty much innocent.
I suppose if anything he could be left alive under the condition that he cooperate entirely with the village without being told any sensitive information, but that's still a big risk to take. Hip has a very high chance of being a dangerous enemy and a very small chance of being village aligned (which we can't prove thanks to that convenient inspection changer); matty has a 100% chance of being an enemy. I guess votes should be cast with whichever you consider the better target in mind.
With my current knowledge of the roles assigned to the village, I can in no way believe that such an obviously broken role would be alligned with the village as well. There is no doubt in my mind that the win condition was alterred to be less suspicious.
I suppose I will eat my words if what you say is true, but I highly doubt that will be the case.
And in terms of the better target, getting rid of one night kill (out of three) is better than killing a common mafia member, especially considering there are other ways of preventing matty from doing anything tomorrow night.
I suppose I will eat my words if what you say is true, but I highly doubt that will be the case.
And in terms of the better target, getting rid of one night kill (out of three) is better than killing a common mafia member, especially considering there are other ways of preventing matty from doing anything tomorrow night.
It's not in the PM. Not my fault.
Thats not all I would have had to have changed:
"Also known as the Bay Harbor Butcher, you are the Dark Defender of Miami." <-- I defend miami
the scum of the streets have all decided to come out and play. With all these new targets <-- I target the scum of the streets
"To aid your cleaning of the streets" <-- I clean streets
Except I was trying to keep the fact that I was a vigilante a secret. I have a contact in the village, but he wasnt around in time for me to ask him, so I had to make do with what knowledge I had. With having such a powerful role I figured secrecy was more important than accuracy.
This is your opinion and in my opinion it is stupid. I didnt want to kill doakes as he could have been a powerful ally in my efforts to kill the mafia. But this is irellevant, your analysis is: wolf or vigilante implies killing doakes. I didnt kill doakes, therefore I am the wolf. Your argument here is patently ridiculous. I made a decision and I stand by that decision, and I cant see why you dont recognise it as being perfectly reasonable.
Yeah but you wouldnt listen to them. You've made up your mind, its pretty obvious.. And I only have 4 votes leeway here, I need this lynch to stop quickly. I dont believe anyone would have said anything except "talk to fishin" and I dont have much time. Surviving until tonight is better than dying now.
I thought the doakes killing thing was pretty lame too. However, it makes much more sense than having Dexter kill everyone, which is just dumb. Especially when there are millions of characters out there who just want to kill everyone..
[edit]-On killing doakes:
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[21:24:47] <@aldaron> oi
[21:24:50] <@aldaron> like i said guys
[21:24:57] <@aldaron> dexter didnt kill doakes
[21:25:06] <@aldaron> dexter captured doakes and was considering what to do with him
[21:25:07] <@blue_light> yes
[21:25:14] <@aldaron> his crazy groupie killed doakes
[21:25:17] <@blue_light> his crazy girlfriend did thoughGiven that in order for me to kill anyone I have to kidnap them, then not be lynched and then kill them the next night, you genuinely have nothing to fear from me. Especially since I will be killed by the mafia tonight anyway.
Have a nice day.
His role must make sure the village inspector / both mafia are dead at the end of the game which is a huge beating for all sides, I don't think the role is unrealistic at all and Fishin's reluctance to change the vote based on this evidence suggests to me he isn't trustworthy.
Also I have spoken with Fishin and he claimed a character I don't think would be in the game (but I guess it could be) with a role that isn't particularly hard to fake so I don't understand why everyone trusts him. He has my role now but it isn't a particularly good role so it doesn't really matter. I also gave my role to another person I trust but with Fishin at the head of the village I am worried as if he does turn out to be mafia we're going to be screwed.
If you're lynched then your blood will wash the streets in a sparkling red colour, at least we'll still have that part of your role!
Also I have spoken with Fishin and he claimed a character I don't think would be in the game (but I guess it could be) with a role that isn't particularly hard to fake so I don't understand why everyone trusts him. He has my role now but it isn't a particularly good role so it doesn't really matter. I also gave my role to another person I trust but with Fishin at the head of the village I am worried as if he does turn out to be mafia we're going to be screwed.
If you're lynched then your blood will wash the streets in a sparkling red colour, at least we'll still have that part of your role!
is that typo an indication you arent actually trying to lynch me, but make it look like you are?
I mean honestly what are you people thinking..
Here is the case against me: this role is strong.
Ok, but if you dont know every single role in the game, how do you know that that role is imbalanced, or not necessary..
None of you actually know that my role is unbalanced, because you dont know all the roles in this game.
Seriously what else is there suggesting that I might be the wolf? I'd defend myself if I had something to defend myself against..
Matty is a mafia, I am a guy with a strong role. Those are your choices. Why cant anyone get this?
Except you Earthworm, thank you for your support, I appreciate it.
Have a nice day.
I mean honestly what are you people thinking..
Here is the case against me: this role is strong.
Ok, but if you dont know every single role in the game, how do you know that that role is imbalanced, or not necessary..
None of you actually know that my role is unbalanced, because you dont know all the roles in this game.
Seriously what else is there suggesting that I might be the wolf? I'd defend myself if I had something to defend myself against..
Matty is a mafia, I am a guy with a strong role. Those are your choices. Why cant anyone get this?
Except you Earthworm, thank you for your support, I appreciate it.
Have a nice day.
I swear to god, if even so much as one villager vanishes you will be lynched so fast it'll make your head spin... you will be dead.
Dead.
change vote to Lynch Matty
Dead.
change vote to Lynch Matty
veedrock made a good point there, if dexter wasnt allied with the village (so to speak) why would lesms win condition be worded in such a way?
anyway, im a pretty big fan of dexter and it makes alot of sense for him to be the vigilante. regardless of that, though, hipmonlees above post is right. we cant know if his role is unbalanced as we cant put it into perpspective with the rest of the roles in the game, and for that reason i will be lynching matty
anyway, im a pretty big fan of dexter and it makes alot of sense for him to be the vigilante. regardless of that, though, hipmonlees above post is right. we cant know if his role is unbalanced as we cant put it into perpspective with the rest of the roles in the game, and for that reason i will be lynching matty
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