im inclined to think champ is town based on the balance of this game but its not a confident feel
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NOC What A Bastard (GAME OVER)
- Thread starter VigilanteVigoroth
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blazade, aubisio, flhyn, haruno are the vt claims (correct me if i am wrong)
of those 4 from most scummy (top) to least scummy ( bottom) this is what i think
Aubisio ( giving me a bad feeling he hasnt said much productive {not like i am one to talk o_o})
Haruno ( iffy can never tell with him)
Blazade + Flhyn (both seem town to me, the fact t6hat blazade claimed vt first leads me to think he is town)
of those 4 from most scummy (top) to least scummy ( bottom) this is what i think
Aubisio ( giving me a bad feeling he hasnt said much productive {not like i am one to talk o_o})
Haruno ( iffy can never tell with him)
Blazade + Flhyn (both seem town to me, the fact t6hat blazade claimed vt first leads me to think he is town)
If you shoot you should shoot a VT, but you shouldn't shoot.
survivor is 3p to me, idk what a saulus or judas is, traitor...probably not
tru dat. idfk though since this is a bastard setup and right now nothing i've seen so far even comes close to what i'd be expecting from this form of set up. That claim still makes no fucking sense from a village perspective btw.
This post on the other hand is interesting, host lying about roles would not surprise me in this form of set up but I assume you have some basis for this claim? This doesn't seem like something one would claim for no reason, and if you're truly town aligned why bring this up now?
No fucking way is there a judas because even for bastard that's probably next level bullshit (judas is maf that turns to VT upon death). I can still see some form of recruitment going on or maybe we're missing something about hte mafia? Since according to the op we haven't gotten rid of a single non town as of yet. DBW day 1 lynch is still worth looking at but xandro is still top sr.
if the host could post when the deadline is since he never did that the first time and give a vote count that'd be great
You can check OP for the deadline. I meant to do a VC last night but I fell asleep sorry 0-0
I posted that at that particular time because it came to my mind at that mind. It had slipped my mind before. Teehee.
Also, the 'basis' is that this is a bastard, and I have particularly seen bastard games with hidden roles, so it was just a suggestion there. You're reading too deep into this.
Because you're an incredibly cautious player from every interaction I've had with you and it would go completely out of character. I'm not entertaining that theory.
oh dLE since you're here.. what are your reads?
psa, 13 hours until deadline. i'll pick a vote when i wake up after vc
Odd-night Ascetic.
If anything, the Haruno meta bit supports my earlier post about Aubisio.
I'm inclined to not believe Xnad's claim; if the Janitor isn't compulsive I don't see why such a role would be given to town. (What dle mentioned about no partner letting him get away with it makes sense, so I'm thinking third party.) Odd-Night Commuter (Viper's claim) also feels sketchily overpowered.
Okay, but you're not helping and we barely have a clue where you stand of what you think. I'm pretty sure someone else mentioned it earlier in this game, but you could just sub out if you don't actually plan on doing anything.
How did you manage to both defend him/apparently believe his claim and also call it suspicious in the same post?
It stands out to me that you call out Haruno and not Blazade on this. Moreso
I have way more backreading to do and I'll do as much of it as I can tonight. Only thing that I know for a fact I wanted to mention was that the d1 discussion over dle's "my PM says this person is mafia" claim was a waste of time since (A) such a role would be horribly broken (B) the theme is bastard anyway and (C) it was in my opinion an obvious joke/reaction test based on how it was first mentioned. There was also someone who claimed VT early on in a way that unabashedly removed the chance for them to fakeclaim something else later; I can't recall who it is but I do recall thinking that person was town upon initially reading that post. Currently I'm of the opinion that Xnad or Aubisio is the best lynch for today.
It stands out to me that you call out Haruno and not Blazade on this. Moreso[/quote]
Left this incomplete, I was going to say "moreso the difference in aggression."
Left this incomplete, I was going to say "moreso the difference in aggression."
Fenrir Aesir do not doubt overpoweredness here. The title clearly says that this is a bastard game.
I understand why you even think why such a role would be given to them.. but admit least this that as a fact, even you know that XnadrojX is not this dumb to claim that role as actual scum. No scum is dumb enough to claim something that scummy, as a fact that that we all know. I know I'm just applying bad WIFOM here, but I'm still inclined to believe my WIFOM.
As for your Aubisio's read.. I'm not sure what to make out of it. Sure, a sort-of policy lynch on them for literally not contributing to town doesn't sound extremely bad, but as to them being scum or not.. I honestly can't make it out, since I have nothing from them to actually make a read on. Though on a second note, them not contributing to scumhunting is for obvious reasons, scummy.
And on a total different note, least don't say someone to get a sub. It does sound kinda rude.
I understand why you even think why such a role would be given to them.. but admit least this that as a fact, even you know that XnadrojX is not this dumb to claim that role as actual scum. No scum is dumb enough to claim something that scummy, as a fact that that we all know. I know I'm just applying bad WIFOM here, but I'm still inclined to believe my WIFOM.
As for your Aubisio's read.. I'm not sure what to make out of it. Sure, a sort-of policy lynch on them for literally not contributing to town doesn't sound extremely bad, but as to them being scum or not.. I honestly can't make it out, since I have nothing from them to actually make a read on. Though on a second note, them not contributing to scumhunting is for obvious reasons, scummy.
And on a total different note, least don't say someone to get a sub. It does sound kinda rude.
Confirming that Blazade was the Vanilla Townie claim I was referring to.
Champ, there's a difference between "bastard" and "broken." While the fact that it's odd-night only does nerf the role somewhat, Commuter is still a powerful role and the ability to use it often without more of a repercussion seems strange.
Re: Xnad's claim, let's assume for a moment that he's a non-town Janitor. It becomes very difficult to explain later why the person he killed didn't flip with their role, so I do think there's a chance he'd claim that in this situation.
I explained my Aubisio read not very long ago; it's really not a policy lynch. If it were there would be others to prioritize, such as Toni (who I can currently recall having only one post). I didn't mean to outright tell Aubisio to sub out, but it's frustrating that he's basically just posting to avoid punishment.
dude Fenrir. Read my posts.
My janitor is activated only on my vig shot. My Janitor is tied to my shot. I cannot janitor anything else even if I wanted to, and I compulsively janitor the guy I shot. It's just a worse vig.
Also re what Haruno said: They flipped the definition of Judas/Saulus. Judas is town that turns to mafia on lynch (Judas the 13th disciple sided with Jesus until he betrayed him, went from Good Guy > Bad Guy) while Saulus is Mafia that turns to Town on lynch (Paul the Apostle, who was also known as Saulus, was uncaring about Jesus' acts until he converted to Christianity, Bad(?) Guy > Good Guy). Texas Cloverleaf, do you consider these to be third parties (none of them knows their teammates as a member of mafia)
Haruno's lynch on me was far more opportunistic than Blazade's lynch on me, I can pull up quotes in a moment. Also Fenrir, for one stop tunnelling Aubisio and start doing shit with the other players, and read properly before coming to conclusions.
I don't blame Champ for thinking the host is allowed to get away with BS like what she assumed, if you've played on PS some staff don't actually check the setup (lookin' at you DeathByWobbuffet) and give it the go-ahead, which leads to BS like "VT Hidden Vig" etc.
VigilanteVigoroth I don't want your apologies I want a VC please .-.
My janitor is activated only on my vig shot. My Janitor is tied to my shot. I cannot janitor anything else even if I wanted to, and I compulsively janitor the guy I shot. It's just a worse vig.
Also re what Haruno said: They flipped the definition of Judas/Saulus. Judas is town that turns to mafia on lynch (Judas the 13th disciple sided with Jesus until he betrayed him, went from Good Guy > Bad Guy) while Saulus is Mafia that turns to Town on lynch (Paul the Apostle, who was also known as Saulus, was uncaring about Jesus' acts until he converted to Christianity, Bad(?) Guy > Good Guy). Texas Cloverleaf, do you consider these to be third parties (none of them knows their teammates as a member of mafia)
Haruno's lynch on me was far more opportunistic than Blazade's lynch on me, I can pull up quotes in a moment. Also Fenrir, for one stop tunnelling Aubisio and start doing shit with the other players, and read properly before coming to conclusions.
I don't blame Champ for thinking the host is allowed to get away with BS like what she assumed, if you've played on PS some staff don't actually check the setup (lookin' at you DeathByWobbuffet) and give it the go-ahead, which leads to BS like "VT Hidden Vig" etc.
VigilanteVigoroth I don't want your apologies I want a VC please .-.
Fenrir Aesir
Blatant misrep and easy BW hop vs
Question + Pressure, also he let off once I explained what my role meant while Haruno stayed on clinging on to his misrep
Blatant misrep and easy BW hop vs
Question + Pressure, also he let off once I explained what my role meant while Haruno stayed on clinging on to his misrep
ok Fenrir sorry for the tag I gave you I'm too used to the PS Mafia Forum where Fenrir Aesir used Fenrir, VigilanteVigoroth perms to edit post so I untag them?
1. Why does it make no sense? A town vig which cleans up it's own kill. It's just a normal vig with a drawback. Normal town vigs are everywhere and mine is just another one of those with added disadvantage. You're going to need more solid back-up on that case
2. Top SR because of claim which I've already debunked yet you stick oh so stubbornly to. I would say Judas/Saulus is perfectly possible since host is from PS and Judas/Saulus is one of the more accepted bastard roles (yes I know what this says about PS lol).
Just-so-you-know, Odd-night commuter is basically a buffed version of your role. Yes, it may be easily considered overpowered, and thus I would like to disagree with your statement of "bastard != broken", simply with the role called Jester. No, I'm not implying that a Jester may exist in the game, I'm just saying that Jester being in this game would be purely legal, and I see Jester to be more or less broken. Soo, I do view bastard = broken.
As for your comment on his role, yet again applying WIFOM, I would personally go for a risk by making a bad shot than going with the Jester claim. Though yes, this point did flinch me a bit, so I won't scrap off this point.
Also yes, I noticed that your lynch on Aubisio is not policy. My point was that if I lynched Aubisio and this stage, then that would be more or less policy, since I don't have enough material to make a read out of.
Pretty funny here. Fenrir Aesir does seem to be not obsessed with Aubisio and is targeting someone else, who just happens to be you. You're just being more scummy by time, XnadrojX. Everyone is scumreading you for your role, while I'm here being out-of-the-box townreading you for that. So please, don't make scumread you.
As for the post concerning about 'the host being allowed to get away with BS', what is the 'BS' you are referring to?
I refer to you suggesting that VT having hidden active actions being said BS.
Fenrir is still obsessing over Aubisio as far as I can see, he has like 4 points on Aubisio for every point he has on me. I just happen to be there on the side that he scumreads.
I honestly don't care for your townread on me if it's for something that is completely unrelated to my alignment, as I don't think that anyone should be scum OR townreading me based on my role. If this is a pocketing attempt on me, then it just failed.
Fenrir is still obsessing over Aubisio as far as I can see, he has like 4 points on Aubisio for every point he has on me. I just happen to be there on the side that he scumreads.
I honestly don't care for your townread on me if it's for something that is completely unrelated to my alignment, as I don't think that anyone should be scum OR townreading me based on my role. If this is a pocketing attempt on me, then it just failed.
Don't go telling people that they need more solid back-up for scumreading your role. You haven't even backed up any defence for people who are spouting your role scummy, and instead just blaming others that they only scumread you on your role and scraping off their point. It is ME who is actually defending your role. Why am I defending? Because defending isn't even the correct word, I'm just placing my thoughts based on WIFOM.
I see. And why do you feel like ruling out the possibility of the existence of hidden roles, may I know? I'm fine with you saying that me claiming this all of a sudden would seem scummy, but I don't see any reason why town would scrap off the possibility. As I already said, checking if you have any hidden active roles does not have any drawback for town. Then why do you feel like not giving hidden roles a try?
Or possibly because he has seen scummy points in Aubisio and is going against them because they want to convey their scuminess to the town?
Please don't say that someone shouldn't give off a read based on some claim. It makes you outright scummy. Someone claims a godfather, what would you do? "Oh he's just a strongman probs. town". And no, the situation isn't any different than claiming godfather. Town has practical no use for it, while scum gains a huge advantage by that. If you're looking for more details over how your role is more useful, see #491.
And for the last few lines, I would like to at least make sure that you don't think me off a person who would 'pocket' a player who is on plurality.
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