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What do you think is the most underrated Pokemon in OU? (Read the OP and Post #215)

LucaroarkZ said:
I can attest to how good Stoutland is. As a user of it on my sand team, it is a really good revenge killer. However, when it comes to Stoutland vs. Terrakion, Stoutland will not win. It really needs a partner that can handle Terrakion (i.e. Scizor).
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There's no way Stoutland is sweeping through an entire team on its own. Like every Pokemon, it needs appropriate partners. So I have no idea what point you were trying to get across by making that post.

I've used Stoutland before and it's a pretty good cleaner, especially in tandem with Magnezone + Reun being perfect partners, breaking Heatran, Skarmory, Scizor, and potentially Terrakion if you get Terrak vs Reun 1v1
 
Iceydude168 said:
There's no way Stoutland is sweeping through an entire team on its own. Like every Pokemon, it needs appropriate partners. So I have no idea what point you were trying to get across by making that post.

I've used Stoutland before and it's a pretty good cleaner, especially in tandem with Magnezone + Reun being perfect partners, breaking Heatran, Skarmory, Scizor, and potentially Terrakion if you get Terrak vs Reun 1v1
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Okay, really. With my post, I was emphasizing how Stoutland absolutely needs partners that can get past Terrakion ((Toxic) Spikes doesn't always work, there's something called Rapid Spin), but no, guess I'm not allowed to do that.
 
I think your forgetting the sheer amount of people that don't use rapid spin. Only 38% of the metagame if you do the math, and there are ways around that too. Starmie is suicidal most of the time, Tentacruel loses its recovery in the sand, forretress is most of the time without a recovery plan and dies too, and Donphan doesn't have anything. One can easily get past rapid spinners by slowly killing them off, or better, yet just using a rapid spin blocker.

Just make sure when planning out this brilliant sweep that you don't get swept yourself.
 
I think Cresselia is very underrrated. Cresselia has solid defenses and respectable Spd stat (Compared with other Walls) that allows she to set up Dual Screens easily, and her access to Lunar Dance makes she more useful. Moreover, her access to Ice Beam (And her solid defenses) allows she to check common Dragon Types like Dragonite and Salamence.
 
I think Sub Hydreigon is really underrated nowawdays...i had used it on my teams and it does a decent job taking care single handed entire sand teams (most of the time lol)...after a Substitute its just deadly...the only think it has is that you need a strong physical attacker for it to be able to break through Bliss/Chans and sometimes Jirachi...Terrakion and Scizor can do the job pretty well

Hydreigon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 88 HP / 220 SAtk / 200 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Dragon Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast


(Just want to show the difference between max SPA and 220 on Gastrodon)
Dragon Pulse: 129-153 (30.28 - 35.91%) -- guaranteed 4HKO (Modest 252)
Dragon Pulse: 128-150 (30.04 - 35.21%) -- guaranteed 4HKO (Modest 220)
 
Dusknight said:
I think Cresselia is very underrrated. Cresselia has solid defenses and respectable Spd stat (Compared with other Walls) that allows she to set up Dual Screens easily, and her access to Lunar Dance makes she more useful. Moreover, her access to Ice Beam (And her solid defenses) allows she to check common Dragon Types like Dragonite and Salamence.
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I wouldn't say Cresselia is very underrated tbh. Levitate and Lunar Dance gives it some niche use over Deoxys-D on HO teams, but it's support and CM sets are completely outdated and outclassed by Latias and Reuniclus, due to a lack of reliable recovery, although it's typing does hold it back too.
 
DrunkDemon said:
I wouldn't say Cresselia is very underrated tbh. Levitate and Lunar Dance gives it some niche use over Deoxys-D on HO teams, but it's support and CM sets are completely outdated and outclassed by Latias and Reuniclus, due to a lack of reliable recovery, although it's typing does hold it back too.
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I agree that Cresslia isn't underrated and is generally outclassed (especially CM sets), but Deoxys-D isn't the reason; they serve completely different roles. Cresslia is a tank/wall that spreads status, and Deoxys-D's only popular set is the suicide lead. I don't even think Cress gets Stealth Rock, so how does she compete with him for a team slot?
 
2sly4u said:
I agree that Cresslia isn't underrated and is generally outclassed (especially CM sets), but Deoxys-D isn't the reason; they serve completely different roles. Cresslia is a tank/wall that spreads status, and Deoxys-D's only popular set is the suicide lead. I don't even think Cress gets Stealth Rock, so how does she compete with him for a team slot?
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What I meant was that the Dual Screens set is in competition with Deoxys for the supporting role on a HO team. I didn't mean that they do the exact same thing (although Deoxys can technically run Dual Screens).
 
2sly4u said:
I agree that Cresslia isn't underrated and is generally outclassed (especially CM sets), but Deoxys-D isn't the reason; they serve completely different roles. Cresslia is a tank/wall that spreads status, and Deoxys-D's only popular set is the suicide lead. I don't even think Cress gets Stealth Rock, so how does she compete with him for a team slot?
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I would argue on defensive teams, especially stall teams, deoxys-d could compete with cresselia for a spot. I once incorporated deoxys-d in a stall team to counter cm reuniclus as well as for spikes. While using deoxys-d for spikes goes along with what you are saying with providing hazards, I think that shows the real flaw with cresselia, her lacking move pool. Heck, her move pool doesn't even have a reliable recovery move. It's that move pool that is really letting her down. What's the point of incorporating her on a stall or HO team if she can't act as a team player. Slowbro encounters a similar problem, but at least he has scald too provide some unique support (twave is widely distributed, like across entire types and different styles of Pokemon).
 
Victini.

The raw power of a choice banded v-create is stunning, many resistors are one-shotted in the sun: terrakion, lati@s, salamence, jellicent and more.
The best thing about the little rodent is that it is so diverse, it has enough bulk to tank quite allot of hits, it has a movepool that stretches for days, but when it comes down to it with Victini, you should mash the V-create button and watch the world burn.

Recently I have been testing sub-CM suicune - me and frogoholic are creating a team around it- and it has surprised me in many ways.
The sheer bulk of the thing makes up for its initial lack of power and after a calm mind or two, which, may I add, are remarkably easy to get, it is ready ot sweep or to severely damage the opposing team.
 
Rotom-C is a great underrated Pokemon, but the scout set on the smogon analysis is one of the most useful sets. It runs similar to the Navi Celebi set, but it just screws up so much stuff it isn't funny. It checks Volt-Turn, and Latios can't switch in or else it gets crippled by Thunder Wave. Starmie/Rotom-W/Scizor/Latios/Terrakion/Virizion and such cannot switch in directly, as they are all either crippled, OHKOed or 2HKOed.
 
DrunkDemon said:
I wouldn't say Cresselia is very underrated tbh. Levitate and Lunar Dance gives it some niche use over Deoxys-D on HO teams, but it's support and CM sets are completely outdated and outclassed by Latias and Reuniclus, due to a lack of reliable recovery, although it's typing does hold it back too.
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Well, maybe you are right. I think I confused "underrated" with "not so used".
 
Raikou. This guy is one of the best CM`ers ever, and is arguably just as good as Jolteon. Though Jolt is a touch faster and hits a bit harder, he does`nt have a reliable set-up move outside of Charge Beam.

Raikou`s Sub CM set does it`s job every time, and considering that he outspeeds and destroys Landorus, Latios (after a boost), Gengar, and heavily dents Terrakion, I`m very suprised he`s not used even more. It`s true that TTar, Blissey, and Ferro force him out, but when paired with a strong fighting type, you have the makings of an offensive core. In the end, he forces tons of switches, and any battler who`s used him will tell you that he`s like Jolt. He`s just bulkier... and can flat out sweep and clean in the endgame.
 
The QWAZ said:
Victini.

The raw power of a choice banded v-create is stunning, many resistors are one-shotted in the sun: terrakion, lati@s, salamence, jellicent and more.
The best thing about the little rodent is that it is so diverse, it has enough bulk to tank quite allot of hits, it has a movepool that stretches for days, but when it comes down to it with Victini, you should mash the V-create button and watch the world burn.
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Agree. I use the following set:
Victini @ Life Orb Lv. 100 -- Victory Star

Nature: Brave - EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
  • Brick Break
  • Trick Room
  • V-create
  • Fusion Bolt
This set is absolutely amazing for a Sun Trick Room Team. See, what you do is obviously get the Sun up. You then use a V-Create to lower your Speed one stage. You then can easily use Trick Room whilst spamming your Victini's Max Attack'd-Brave Natured-Life Orb'd-Sun Boosted-STAB'd V-Create, doing MASSIVE damage to the opposing Pokemon. This shows Victini is a VERY underrated threat in OU.
 
Pride Of Sinnoh said:
Raikou. This guy is one of the best CM`ers ever, and is arguably just as good as Jolteon. Though Jolt is a touch faster and hits a bit harder, he does`nt have a reliable set-up move outside of Charge Beam.
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He does have work-up although most of the time he'll be baton passing it.
 
It`s rare to see Jolt with Work Up boosts but point taken. Personally, Baton Passing subs with Jolt is the only way I`ll use him.

Secondary point about Raikou again. In the Rain he can run Weather Ball alongside Thunder, giving him another way to distinguish himself from Jolt and providing him with a psuedo-STAB water type attack with (effectively) 150 Base Power. A welcome surprise for Ground types to be sure.
 
Pride Of Sinnoh said:
It`s rare to see Jolt with Work Up boosts but point taken. Personally, Baton Passing subs with Jolt is the only way I`ll use him.

Secondary point about Raikou again. In the Rain he can run Weather Ball alongside Thunder, giving him another way to distinguish himself from Jolt and providing him with a psuedo-STAB water type attack with (effectively) 150 Base Power. A welcome surprise for Ground types to be sure.
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His event moves aren't too viable though because of the restriction on its nature. It gets a Rash nature (which boosts is speciall attack) when the speed boost from Timid would be much more useful.

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ThePillsburyDoughBoy :"His event moves aren't too viable though because of the restriction on its nature. It gets a Rash nature (which boosts is special attack) when the speed boost from Timid would be much more useful."

Very true, though he does outspeed positive natured base 100`s still, which is fast enough. (Curse you Landorus!!) The real reason not to use the event moves.
 
Pride Of Sinnoh said:
It`s rare to see Jolt with Work Up boosts but point taken. Personally, Baton Passing subs with Jolt is the only way I`ll use him.

Secondary point about Raikou again. In the Rain he can run Weather Ball alongside Thunder, giving him another way to distinguish himself from Jolt and providing him with a psuedo-STAB water type attack with (effectively) 150 Base Power. A welcome surprise for Ground types to be sure.
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I've had some nice success with Raikou on sun teams, where his ability to take on Heatran with Aura Sphere is nice, and he's very good at dealing with rain teams.
 
It is over 9000% subseed Parasect. In the rain, I have taken out entire teams with just him. The set I use is the one in the analysis. Once Parasect gets going, it is almost impossible to stop the carnage. Second place goes to Choice Band Azumarill. Best revenge killer there is.
 
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