SPOILERS! "What Isn't A Pokemon Yet" Repository (+ Type Combinations & Super Forms)

Did you forget Galar Ponyta and Galar Darmamitan on purpose ?

And you can remove some new type combo, like Bug / Psychic, Bug / Ice, Electric / Poison, and Fairy / Dark (maybe more)
 
Apparently Bulbapedia is saying the Arcto- half of the Galar fossils is based on a Mosasaur. As a quick note, the Japanese names for both Arcto- fossil mons contains -don, as in the dinosaur suffix meaning ‘tooth’.
 

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Did you forget Galar Ponyta and Galar Darmamitan on purpose ?
Do'h! Added them under Galarian Yamask family!

And you can remove some new type combo, like Bug / Psychic, Bug / Ice, Electric / Poison, and Fairy / Dark (maybe more)
Oh, right! I got to look through each Type combinations for both news ones and ones which have now been done at least twice now.

Still no dolphin?
Not from what I can tell. They have to keep some popular animals to advertise for future generations. ;)

Apparently Bulbapedia is saying the Arcto- half of the Galar fossils is based on a Mosasaur. As a quick note, the Japanese names for both Arcto- fossil mons contains -don, as in the dinosaur suffix meaning ‘tooth’.
I know, and they said the Draco is a Dacentrurus, a kind of Stegosaurus. However with only the bottom half of the creature I'm not going to jump to a conclusion as they could easily pull a twist. I can see the Dino also being a Plesiosaur and just because the Draco has those spikes on the back of its legs doesn't mean it has to match a real life dinosaur which also had spikes. Infact I wouldn't be surprised GF would try to pull a "surprise twist" if they ever do a full reveal of the Pokemon just so the playerbase would be wrong.
 

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MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT!
While waiting for Bulbapedia to finish up their pages for the new Pokemon to see if they spot any origin inspirations I missed above, I have gone ahead and updates the Type Combination List and Super Form List (yes, I changed it's name and it actually got quite the number of significant changes I'll explain later):

Type Combination List Changes:
Removed from "Not Done Yet" and moved to "Done Only By One Family":
  • Bug/Psychic
  • Poison/Electric
  • Dark/Fairy
  • Bug/Ice
  • Dark/Electric
Removed from "Done Only By One Family":
  • Pure Flying
  • Rock/Fire
  • Grass/Dragon
  • Bug/Fire
  • Normal/Dark
  • Psychic/Ice
  • Dragon/Electric
  • Electric/Ice
  • Steel/Dragon
  • Ghost/Dragon
With the changes done there's quite an interesting bit of trivia now easily seen.

For "Not Done Yet", the following Types only need one more pairing to be completed: Grass with Fire, Electric with Fighting, Psychic with Poison, and Dark with Bug. The same isn't true vice versa. The Type that has the most other Types it needs to be paired with is Normal with 6; though that's not a surprise so if we exclude Normal it's then a tie between Poison and Fairy with 5 each.

There's nothing in "Done Only By One Family" that really stands out. Though it was the list that had the most removed from it, even with the 5 new additions there's still 5 less Type combinations on it now.

Super Form List Changes:
So, as some of you might remember, before this list's name was much larger: The Mega/Ultra/Super Form List. But with Gigantamax I decided to just drop the other prefixes and refer to all of them as "Super Forms". In the description for Super Forms I added a list of mechanics which are counted as such, it's all the ones you think EXCEPT I excluded Eternamax as it's unobtainable (at the moment).

But that's not the only change I done. With Gen VIII introducing Regional Evolutions I decided to make Regional Variants their own species. A Regional Variant will be listed alongside it's original counterpart for sake of simplicity (so Kantonian Raticate is next to Alolan Raticate). That is unless they have a Regional Evolution which in that case the original counterpart, which would still be specified from region it's from, won't have the regional variant next to it but rather its Regional Evolution will be listed in the generation it was introduced (so Kantonian Farfetch'd is in the Gen I list by itself while Sirfetch'd is in the Gen VIII list).

I've also added the Gen VIII Pokemon.

And one last small change, in addition to adding in Gigantamax I also included the Bond Phenomenon which removes Greninja from the list. My reasoning for this is that Ash-Greninja is a temporary transformation like Mega Evolution and Gigantamaxing. But, considering Charizard and Gengar both have a Mega Evolution and Gigantamax now, obviously this doesn't mean vanilla Greninja can't get another kind of Super Form later on. But for the purpose of my list which is about showing all the Pokemon which don't have a Super Form, Greninja has been checked off now.

After looking through the list of Gigantamax Pokemon I'm disappointed to still see the massive Gen I pandering. Now yes, there are more Gen VIII Pokemon that got Gigantamax (which is good as this is their generation so many of them should get access to the major new mechanic *looks at Diancie, the only Gen VI Pokemon to get a Mega Evolution*) and Garbodor is a very surprising non-Gen-1-or-8 to get a Gigantamax (not sure whether Melmetal counts as Gen 7 or 8). But still, the other 10 Gigantamax Pokemon are from Gen I; 2 of which already had a Super Form (one of which had two Super Forms) and 3 being not fully evolved Pokemon who can now no longer evolve because of having a gimmicky Gigantamax. At least the Regional Variants were allowed to expand further out.
 
MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT!
While waiting for Bulbapedia to finish up their pages for the new Pokemon to see if they spot any origin inspirations I missed above, I have gone ahead and updates the Type Combination List and Super Form List (yes, I changed it's name and it actually got quite the number of significant changes I'll explain later):

Type Combination List Changes:
Removed from "Not Done Yet" and moved to "Done Only By One Family":
  • Bug/Psychic
  • Poison/Electric
  • Dark/Fairy
  • Bug/Ice
  • Dark/Electric
Removed from "Done Only By One Family":
  • Pure Flying
  • Rock/Fire
  • Grass/Dragon
  • Bug/Fire
  • Normal/Dark
  • Psychic/Ice
  • Dragon/Electric
  • Electric/Ice
  • Steel/Dragon
  • Ghost/Dragon
With the changes done there's quite an interesting bit of trivia now easily seen.

For "Not Done Yet", the following Types only need one more pairing to be completed: Grass with Fire, Electric with Fighting, Psychic with Poison, and Dark with Bug. The same isn't true vice versa. The Type that has the most other Types it needs to be paired with is Normal with 6; though that's not a surprise so if we exclude Normal it's then a tie between Poison and Fairy with 5 each.

There's nothing in "Done Only By One Family" that really stands out. Though it was the list that had the most removed from it, even with the 5 new additions there's still 5 less Type combinations on it now.

Super Form List Changes:
So, as some of you might remember, before this list's name was much larger: The Mega/Ultra/Super Form List. But with Gigantamax I decided to just drop the other prefixes and refer to all of them as "Super Forms". In the description for Super Forms I added a list of mechanics which are counted as such, it's all the ones you think EXCEPT I excluded Eternamax as it's unobtainable (at the moment).

But that's not the only change I done. With Gen VIII introducing Regional Evolutions I decided to make Regional Variants their own species. A Regional Variant will be listed alongside it's original counterpart for sake of simplicity (so Kantonian Raticate is next to Alolan Raticate). That is unless they have a Regional Evolution which in that case the original counterpart, which would still be specified from region it's from, won't have the regional variant next to it but rather its Regional Evolution will be listed in the generation it was introduced (so Kantonian Farfetch'd is in the Gen I list by itself while Sirfetch'd is in the Gen VIII list).

I've also added the Gen VIII Pokemon.

And one last small change, in addition to adding in Gigantamax I also included the Bond Phenomenon which removes Greninja from the list. My reasoning for this is that Ash-Greninja is a temporary transformation like Mega Evolution and Gigantamaxing. But, considering Charizard and Gengar both have a Mega Evolution and Gigantamax now, obviously this doesn't mean vanilla Greninja can't get another kind of Super Form later on. But for the purpose of my list which is about showing all the Pokemon which don't have a Super Form, Greninja has been checked off now.

After looking through the list of Gigantamax Pokemon I'm disappointed to still see the massive Gen I pandering. Now yes, there are more Gen VIII Pokemon that got Gigantamax (which is good as this is their generation so many of them should get access to the major new mechanic *looks at Diancie, the only Gen VI Pokemon to get a Mega Evolution*) and Garbodor is a very surprising non-Gen-1-or-8 to get a Gigantamax (not sure whether Melmetal counts as Gen 7 or 8). But still, the other 10 Gigantamax Pokemon are from Gen I; 2 of which already had a Super Form (one of which had two Super Forms) and 3 being not fully evolved Pokemon who can now no longer evolve because of having a gimmicky Gigantamax. At least the Regional Variants were allowed to expand further out.
True. The only ones that aren’t Gen 8 or 1 are Garbodor and Melmetal. Probably because GF wanted favoritism/sell merchandise off the recognizable Pokémon.
 

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MAJOR UPDATE!
Yes, after much waiting, I searched through the pages of Bulbapedia and finally updated the lists! Most were removals but I did do some changes/additions. So, to start off, the graduating class of Gen VIII:

MARINE:
Fish: Barracuda, Alligator Gar
Sponge/Echinoderm/Clam: Urchin

BUG-Moth/Butterfly: Silkmoth/Venezuelan Poodle Moth, Flannel Moth, Luna Moth

MAMMAL: "Real" Elephant, Black Bear
Rodent: Guinea Pig
Primate: Squirrel Monkey, (Pygmy) Marmoset, "Real" Gorilla, Mandrill, Spider Monkey
Ungulates: Ram (male sheep)

BIRD: Chickadee, Cormorant, Northern Fulmar

REPTILE/AMPHIBIAN: Newt, Olm
Lizard: Flying Lizard/Flying Dragon, Rainbow Agama
Snake: Anaconda/Constrictor, Sidewinder Rattlesnake
Turtle/Tortoise: Snapping Turtle

PLANTS-Food-Fruit: Apple

EXTINCT/FOSSIL:
Marine:
Diplocaulus
Bird: Great Auk

OBJECTS: Coal/Smog, Stone Circle, Missile, Gun/Missile Turret, Smoke Stack, Bear Trap
Food: Tea

CONCEPT/PHENOMENA: Athlete, Soccer, Ravens of the Tower of London, Bookworm, Trolling, Viking
Literature/Film/Song: Rapunzel

ALIEN/SPACE: Stealth Plane

MYTH/FOLKLORE/FAIRY TALES:
Greek/Roman:
Ladon, Faun, Satyr
English: Black Knight, Wyvern, Hob(goblin), Boggart, Knight-errant, King Arthur & Knights of the Round Table, Excalibur & Scabbard/Caliburn/Sword in the Stone, Shug Monkey
Celtic: Redcap, Bugbear
Asian: Harionago
Other: House Fey (Zashiki-Warashi/Domovoi/Brownie)


Not that much in the grand scheme of things, but also surprised at some of the things I did end up removing (the most surprising to me was quite a number of moths were removed thanks to Frosmoth being a combination of a few moth species). There was also surprises in what wasn't removed, like not that many English or other European mythical creatures were removed though a few notable ones were.

EXTINCT/FOSSIL-Marine: Changed "Dunkleosteus" to ""Real" Dunkleosteus".

UNRELEASED & PROTOTYPE POKEMON: As you know, major leaks happened a few months ago so I added even more beta Pokemon to the list. I also made an image of the beta Pokemon's sprites so that you know what the heck I'm talking about.
If you're interested in learning a bit more about these leaks here are a few links:


And that's all for now! I may be adding more to the lists later on, but for now I'll leave it at this. :bloblul:
 
And that's all for now! I may be adding more to the lists later on, but for now I'll leave it at this. :bloblul:
While you were at it, you could have removed the galar starters from the lacking-superform thing, as they all 3 got a Gigamax of their own :P
(so did Blastoise and Venusaur, but they already had a mega so...)
 
I was incredibly disappointed that Galarian Ponyta and Rapidash didn't end up being Fire/Fairy, which seemed a lot more logical - and interesting - than the by-now dull Fairy/Psychic they ended up being (come on Game Freak - we've had that typing multiple times now!).

So I got to wondering if any cultures have myths about fire fairies - did a quick Google and couldn't find many straight-up examples. There hasn't really been a living flame Pokemon yet (I'm thinking something along the lines of Calcifer from Howl's Moving Castle); anyone know of any legends or fictional creatures that would plausibly suit being a Fairy/Fire type?

I guess that it could be an animal - a cat wouldn't be too much of a stretch (someone mentioned Maine Coons earlier in the thread) or maybe something like a rabbit (I don't think there've been too many rabbit Pokemon, and hares are a bit more quirky/have a bit more design potential) - but I read an interview a while back that said that Fire-types are the hardest to base on animals because no animals in nature contain fire, and I think trying to fit in a fairy element would be equally difficult creatively too.

Aside from that, we haven't had a glass frog Pokemon, which I think would perfectly suit being Ice/Poison. There are various bugs that live in the cold but I think a glass frog has more mileage - the translucent skin probably has more design potential, and it's funny that there hasn't been a Pokemon with that feature in eight generations (unless I've forgotten someone).

Food-wise, we've had apples, leeks, bananas, and all manner of plants as Pokemon, but I also don't think there's been a Pokemon based on peas (I'm thinking of peas in their pods specifically). I'm sure some designer could have a field day with that.
 
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So I got to wondering if any cultures have myths about fire fairies - did a quick Google and couldn't find many straight-up examples. There hasn't really been a living flame Pokemon yet (I'm thinking something along the lines of Calcifer from Howl's Moving Castle); anyone know of any legends or fictional creatures that would plausibly suit being a Fairy/Fire type?
First off, there's Will-o-the Wisps. While Pokemon standard associates the phenomenon with Ghost types, the folklore is a lot muddier as to the particular variety of supernatural cause. One other association I thought of immediately was the depiction of the Raven figure in Haida mythology, the main trickster archetype of the saga that owes its colouration to being covered in soot. You could also bring in Ifrits, since they're associated with fire and the current cultural ideas for genies (i.e. you will likely get screwed over if you don't nail down exactly what you're requesting) does fit with what fey were up to in a lot of the western Europe folklore.

As for recent fiction, I feel like I should stay out of that so I don't step too far into things that only exist in some tabletop Monster Manual.
 

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greentyphlosion:
Thank you for showing interest, but this isn't a thread for making up your own Pokemon. This thread just simply lists off things which have yet to have a Pokemon based on it. The reason for this distinction is because Smogon has a "no wishlisting" policy. While I wanted to do this idea for a thread, a large list of things which have yet been made into Pokemon (both to see what interesting things exist in our world/universe while also can be pointed to when people say Pokemon is "running out of ideas"), it can't really be anything more than just a list.

Though responding to specific points:

Galarian Ponyta family: It did lose its flames so I'm not surprised it's not a Fire/Fairy, but I am surprised G-Ponyta is just pure Psychic. Though I know the reason for this is both in-game lore (being a protector of the Glimwood Tangle from Poison-types) and also possibly because of wanting a team for Bede which he could mostly keep after going from a Psychic-specialist to a Fairy specialist. What did Bede ever do with that Duosion...

Living Elemental: The "living Type" concept I find a bit too vague unless it's a specific kind of creature from mythology or folktales.

Fire/Fairy-type: Well, if you want ideas for yourself you can look through the list.

Glass Frog:
... I think a glass frog has more mileage - the translucent skin probably has more design potential, and it's funny that there hasn't been a Pokemon with that feature in eight generations (unless I've forgotten someone).


Peas In A Pod: I have added "Peas/Peapod" on the list under "Plant-Food-Legume". :blobthumbsup:

As for recent fiction, I feel like I should stay out of that so I don't step too far into things that only exist in some tabletop Monster Manual.
I've purposely ignored the unique/iconic monsters from Dungeon & Dragons as many of them are copyrighted, though I did find some alternatives to add to the list that those monsters were based off from (like I can't add a Displacer Beast, BUT I can add the Coeurl as that creature is in the public domain).
 
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greentyphlosion:
Thank you for showing interest, but this isn't a thread for making up your own Pokemon. This thread just simply lists off things which have yet to have a Pokemon based on it. The reason for this distinction is because Smogon has a "no wishlisting" policy. While I wanted to do this idea for a thread, a large list of things which have yet been made into Pokemon (both to see what interesting things exist in our world/universe while also can be pointed to when people say Pokemon is "running out of ideas"), it can't really be anything more than just a list.
My intention wasn't to say "this is my idea for a Pokemon", I was just attempting to say what that kind of animal was most likely to be/what types seemed most apt if it was one. But fair enough.

Though responding to specific points:

Galarian Ponyta family: It did lose its flames so I'm not surprised it's not a Fire/Fairy, but I am surprised G-Ponyta is just pure Psychic. Though I know the reason for this is both in-game lore (being a protector of the Glimwood Tangle from Poison-types) and also possibly because of wanting a team for Bede which he could mostly keep after going from a Psychic-specialist to a Fairy specialist. What did Bede ever do with that Duosion...

Living Elemental: The "living Type" concept I find a bit too vague unless it's a specific kind of creature from mythology or folktales.

Fire/Fairy-type: Well, if you want ideas for yourself you can look through the list.

Glass Frog:

Nice try, but the Poliwag line doesn't match what I meant - sure the Pokedex tells us their skin is translucent, but what I was thinking of was something where the internal organs are shown as part of the design (the animation for a Pokemon like that has the potential to be downright nauseating).

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My intention wasn't to say "this is my idea for a Pokemon", I was just attempting to say what that kind of animal was most likely to be/what types seemed most apt if it was one. But fair enough.



Nice try, but the Poliwag line doesn't match what I meant - sure the Pokedex tells us their skin is translucent, but what I was thinking of was something where the internal organs are shown as part of the design (the animation for a Pokemon like that has the potential to be downright nauseating).

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The swirl patterns ARE its internal organs.


Also you think you can spoiler that? Not sure if frog guts is a thing people scrolling wanna encounter without warning.
 

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My intention wasn't to say "this is my idea for a Pokemon", I was just attempting to say what that kind of animal was most likely to be/what types seemed most apt if it was one. But fair enough.
I understand, I'm more or less just being cautious as already this thread walks on the line (in the first few posts I and a moderator lay down a few ground rules). So even suggesting something could be a certain Type combination or have a certain gimmick, while probably alright as long as we don't go full on CAP, I'm weary of at least leaving it alone without reminding everyone this thread is mainly just for maintaining a list. Also, since none of us are GF, no matter what idea we post will likely not happen (or if it does was an extremely long shot) so best to keep things basic so no one sees an idea, goes "that would be a cool Type combination/gimmick", and in the end if GF ever makes a Pokemon out of it but doesn't do the Type combination/gimmick may leave someone disappointed even though that wasn't my intention. Believe me, I myself also love coming up with type combination, gimmicks, and even design ideas and love to share them, but as discussed Smogon (or at least this thread) isn't the place to do it.

Nice try, but the Poliwag line doesn't match what I meant - sure the Pokedex tells us their skin is translucent, but what I was thinking of was something where the internal organs are shown as part of the design (the animation for a Pokemon like that has the potential to be downright nauseating).
The swirl patterns ARE its internal organs.
What I think greentyphlosion wants isn't specifically the Glass Frog but rather just wants a Pokemon which is translucent and you can see it's internal organ structure (and/or skeleton maybe too, there's a few transparent fish you can see their bones; there's also some bugs, mollusks, and crustaceans but there isn't really a lot to see when they're transparent). Here's a quick list I found.

Sadly I don't think we'll have a normal Pokemon that ever goes as extreme as the Glass Frog is like show much of its internal organs. I more imagine maybe something alongside an Ultra Beast, Pokemon they purposely break design rules they've set out for themselves, if they ever make more of those (which isn't impossible, heck they just made more Regi so I guess anything is possible (if if catches GF's interest that is...)!).
 
I understand, I'm more or less just being cautious as already this thread walks on the line (in the first few posts I and a moderator lay down a few ground rules). So even suggesting something could be a certain Type combination or have a certain gimmick, while probably alright as long as we don't go full on CAP, I'm weary of at least leaving it alone without reminding everyone this thread is mainly just for maintaining a list. Also, since none of us are GF, no matter what idea we post will likely not happen (or if it does was an extremely long shot) so best to keep things basic so no one sees an idea, goes "that would be a cool Type combination/gimmick", and in the end if GF ever makes a Pokemon out of it but doesn't do the Type combination/gimmick may leave someone disappointed even though that wasn't my intention. Believe me, I myself also love coming up with type combination, gimmicks, and even design ideas and love to share them, but as discussed Smogon (or at least this thread) isn't the place to do it.




What I think greentyphlosion wants isn't specifically the Glass Frog but rather just wants a Pokemon which is translucent and you can see it's internal organ structure (and/or skeleton maybe too, there's a few transparent fish you can see their bones; there's also some bugs, mollusks, and crustaceans but there isn't really a lot to see when they're transparent). Here's a quick list I found.

Sadly I don't think we'll have a normal Pokemon that ever goes as extreme as the Glass Frog is like show much of its internal organs. I more imagine maybe something alongside an Ultra Beast, Pokemon they purposely break design rules they've set out for themselves, if they ever make more of those (which isn't impossible, heck they just made more Regi so I guess anything is possible (if if catches GF's interest that is...)!).
Pretty sure the Reuniclus line is gonna be the closest we get to that; eastern media is very very strict about bones and skeletons so the funky fetus is our best bet.
 

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HellO. I have a Suggestion, Perhaos you can include images of these Animals for users who Aren't Familiar with them. Thsi would aids discussion, ThankYou.

PS ot ois a very intersting Thread though!!!
 

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HellO. I have a Suggestion, Perhaos you can include images of these Animals for users who Aren't Familiar with them. Thsi would aids discussion, ThankYou.

PS ot ois a very intersting Thread though!!!
Hello! Thank you for your interest!

Unfortunately we have WAY too many animals, plants, & objects to post a picture for every single one of them. In addition mythical creatures can be interpreted in dozens/hundreds of ways so who decides which image would best represent that creature. And then we have things like concepts which would may be hard to explain through a picture.

If you'll like to see what things you don't immediately recognize look like or is about, I suggest looking it up on Wikipedia and, if you don't find an article or it's lacking an image, then using a search engine like Google or Bing. You'd be surprised what interesting things exist on our planet (and some things beyond), so consider it a bit of an adventure whenever you look it something you don't know about. :bloblul: I promise I try not to post anything on my list that is vulgar or intentionally disturbing (though there may be a few sexual- and religious-related subjects, though it's nothing that if someone was looking over your shoulder you'd get in trouble for looking up).

BTW, I don't know whether your a native English speaker or not, but do please try to use proper grammar (spell checking, capitalization, phrasing) as it's easier to read.
 
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I hope they'll one day do this one.
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It looks like hybrid animal from near-eastern mythology, but it's actually a real animal that once existed!

There's no pokemon i can think of that even remotely represents this unfortunately
 

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I hope they'll one day do this one.
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It looks like hybrid animal from near-eastern mythology, but it's actually a real animal that once existed!

There's no pokemon i can think of that even remotely represents this unfortunately
It's actually already on the Extinct/Fossil list by it's more familiar name: Chalicothere.

You should check out some of the other prehistoric animals that's on the Extinct/Fossil list, it's wild what animals once lived on this planet. There's may even be some dinosaurs you didn't know about. :blobthumbsup:
 
It's actually already on the Extinct/Fossil list by it's more familiar name: Chalicothere.

You should check out some of the other prehistoric animals that's on the Extinct/Fossil list, it's wild what animals once lived on this planet. There's may even be some dinosaurs you didn't know about. :blobthumbsup:
Ops...didn't notice that, My bad.
so should i delete my post or..?
 

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Ops...didn't notice that, My bad.
so should i delete my post or..?
Nah, while primarily a list if there's any animal, object, concept, myth, etc. you saw on the list and just wanted to mention how intriguing they look I don't think there's a problem with that. As long as we ignore actually creating a hypothetical Pokemon (like you can mention maybe a certain thing about the thing you liked that could make for a cool mechanic or design feature of the Pokemon, but not something too deep) this is as much as a thread to discuss what's on the list as it is adding to it.

Also this is a nice reminder to everyone that if you have a suggestion to check the list for not only the exact name of the thing you'd want to suggest but also another other names it goes by. This is especially important for animals, especially extinct ones, as I try to use (one of) the more general name if it has one.
 

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