Pokémon Whimsicott

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Aldrius said:
Everything that can learn TMs can learn Rain Dance.
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Really! That is news. I suppose Sunny Day is the same way now? Is there a link to the discovery?

Anyway rain dance is a really nice addition as it synergies with it's typing and moves much better. That and the new Fairy typing means Whimsicott has a lot more usefulness.
 
Screw-On Head said:
Really! That is news. I suppose Sunny Day is the same way now? Is there a link to the discovery?
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Er... hasn't that always been the case?

Hold on, lemme check that. I may have put my foot in my mouth.

Oops. Totally put my foot in my mouth. Whimsicott can't learn Rain Dance.
 
Huh. Whadda ya know. I thought since it could learn Sunny Day, it could also learn Rain Dance. I assumed people just liked the Sunny Day supporter more because of Chlorophyll. Lemme go delete it then.
 
I'm currently running

Whimsicunt (Whimsicott) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk / 30 Spd
- Encore
- Giga Drain
- Stun Spore
- Taunt

Helps me kill quagsire/gastro/rotom and stops all sweepers
 
I think a support stall whimsicott is going to be the idea for me although i'm still kind of new to competitive pokemon.

prankster
leftovers
252 def / 252 SPD / 4 spe
encore
leech seed
substitute
baton-pass/protect

I like the whole sub-seed concept but after reading through some of the comments you guys made i'm starting to think again. but baton-pass sub is still good right?
 
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On PS, whimsicott does not have moonblast, yet some team flare member's whimsicott has Moonblast (info from bulbapedia). Has anyone investigated whether Whimsicott really has moonblast or not???~
 
Yellow Tokiwa said:
On PS, whimsicott does not have moonblast, yet some team flare member's whimsicott has Moonblast (info from bulbapedia). Has anyone investigated whether Whimsicott really has moonblast or not???~
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No one can actually check any of Whimsicott's movepool information because it is unavailable at the moment. We'll learn Whimsicott's movepool information once it's released come Pokebank.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure not every Pokemon who learns TMs has Rain Dance. Rain Dance has incredibly wide distribution, but there are Pokemon who don't get Rain Dance, and Whimsicott is probably still one of them. So Whimsi will still have to be relegated to a sun supporter.

Anyways, I think Whimsicott will still be garbage because while the Fairy typing is great, it still doesn't have the stats to be particularly effective. It's not especially bulky, so anything that has a move it doesn't resist will be able to hit it really hard. Whimsicott doesn't really have much offensive presence, so it can't do a lot of damage. It can do a couple of things well, but in most cases it will still be mediocre. SubSeed is also incredibly horrific, any Grass-type laughs at it. Sorry if this sounds condescending in any way.
 
Aldrius said:
Everything that can learn TMs can learn Rain Dance.
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I have an Excel spreadsheet which says otherwise, which I was eventually going to use for some purpose which I can't recall. But things like Vulpix and Cubone and Genesect cannot, from the top of my head.
 
Yellow Tokiwa said:
On PS, whimsicott does not have moonblast, yet some team flare member's whimsicott has Moonblast (info from bulbapedia). Has anyone investigated whether Whimsicott really has moonblast or not???~
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It's also in a battle during the looker missions. Specifically in a fight with a fairytale girl. It's safe to assume that any pokemon you can find in game is legal. (Recent exception being Ghetsis' Hydreigon, but that was a level issue). If memory serves, Lysandre's Gyarados for example has iron head, this move is only available to Gyarados via BW2 move tutors. Post pokebank? Totally a legal Gyarados.
While it's safe to assume Whimsicott is now fairy and gets moonblast (or at least fairy wind for other reasons) due to the in-game battle, it's not safe to assume anything about most other postbank mons. We can't really look for anything else though. So it's perfectly reasonable for PS not to have Whimsicott's new moonblast loaded in.
 
Martingale said:
I have an Excel spreadsheet which says otherwise, which I was eventually going to use for some purpose which I can't recall. But things like Vulpix and Cubone and Genesect cannot, from the top of my head.
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Yeah I was totally wrong. Read the rest of the thread.

On PS, whimsicott does not have moonblast, yet some team flare member's whimsicott has Moonblast (info from bulbapedia). Has anyone investigated whether Whimsicott really has moonblast or not???~
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Whimsicott isn't available in the game yet.
 
Prankster
-Taunt
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Stun Spore

Ability: Prankster
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold / Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

This is the set I used in 5th gen and it works amazingly after grass types and sap sippers are eliminated. Although sometimes (not always) reliant on "para-hax," it is rather annoying to face.
 
TLo said:
Prankster
-Taunt
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Stun Spore

Ability: Prankster
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold / Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

This is the set I used in 5th gen and it works amazingly after grass types and sap sippers are eliminated. Although sometimes (not always) reliant on "para-hax," it is rather annoying to face.
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I find that:
Whimsicott
-ENCORE
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-COTTON GUARD

Ability: Prankster
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold / Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

is a lot more annoying (It worked wonders for me in BW2). It allows you to wall physical (stat boosters) to no end, specially because whimsy is immune to outrage...~
 
Substitute is utterly terrible on whimsicott for reasons that have been explained time and time and time again. If you aren't using encore and u-turn, use anything else.
 
I would not run a sub-seed set on Whimsicott. Despite it's newfound fairy typing, it's bulk is still a massive problem that no amount of defensive EV investment will ever fix.

Maybe it would be effective in the lower tiers, but with monsters like Aegislash and Talonflame that I constantly keep seeing around Wi-Fi, it's very difficult for Whimsicott to set it up.
 
Been playing around with this thing on Pokemon Showdown Pokebank.

As a support pokemon it still works as well as it did last gen. Leech Seed is a great move, and it's encore can trap boosters for days. The problem is totally it's lack of momentum. U-Turn does next to no damage (it's only real use being hitting grass types, and most OU grass types don't take super effective damage from it anyway, the grass/ghosts, ferrothorn, etc.), and switching is cumbersome. If this thing gets parting shot, though, I definitely see it getting more use.

Obviously the simulator's pokebank tier isn't a perfect representation at all of what the game will be like, but I think this is a pretty good indicator. Fairy/Grass is a great typing. Resisting dark, fighting, water, ground, grass (including powder moves and leech seed), takes neutral damage from bug and is immune to dragon.
 
I don't think the Fairy typing did Whimsicott any favours, as steel users are now going to be able to do a number on Whimsicott (even more so if they use bullet punch and outspeed its Prankster priority, something which Mega Lucario could possibly do). Having said that, the boost to Infiltrator in conjunction with it being the only pokemon with both Infilitrator and encore (currently) will be quite interesting.

I always liked Tailwind on a Prankster Whimsicott, it really paired nicely with U-turn to grab some short-lived momentum (but usually enough to turn the tide); it might also work as a temporary remedy to sticky web if you don't want a spinner or don't use a lot of flying pokemon. However, I guess Tornadus fills this niche slightly better.
 
Yellow Tokiwa said:
I find that:
Whimsicott
-ENCORE
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-COTTON GUARD

Ability: Prankster
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold / Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

is a lot more annoying (It worked wonders for me in BW2). It allows you to wall physical (stat boosters) to no end, specially because whimsy is immune to outrage...~
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I've been using a very similar set:

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Whimsicott (M) @ Big Root
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain/Substitute
- Encore
- Leech Seed
- Cotton Guard

With Gen 6, Whimsicott was given a VERY nice boost by becoming Grass-Fairy type. Because of its Prankster ability and very nice support movepool, Whimsicott actually has a lot of potential as a physical wall. With its move Cotton Guard, it gets a +3 boost to Defense per use, essentially giving it a whopping 737 defense in a single turn (thanks to nature and EVs)! The second turn, it increases to a ridiculous 1180 Defense. Two turns = 1180 Defense. Also, since Prankster gives Cotton Guard priority, it can very easily get that boost. Leech Seed is its primary damage move, and Giga Drain is there for when there is nothing else to do but sit back and let the opponent wear itself out or switch. Priority Encore can wreak havoc as well, locking an opponent into a move like Stealth Rock for several turns of Leech Seed Damage, and giving Whimsicott a chance to maximum its defense with a whole two Cotton Guards. Believe it or not, I've stalled out entire teams with Whimsicott, simply because it's so... unexpected. Even Mega-Kangaskhan (unless it's carrying Fire/Ice Punch, which is surprisingly rare) can't break through it. Big Root boosts the recovery amount from Leech Seed and Giga Drain, which is essential to stalling out the opponent. I go with Big Root over Leftovers because even after full HP EVs, Whimsicott doesn't have amazing HP (therefore you usually get more HP recovery from boosted Leech Seed). If Leech Seed gets down on a bulky target, it can restore huge portions of Whimsicott's health per turn. You can run Substitute over Giga Drain to avoid Toxic, which really messes with this set. The nice thing about Substitute is that Whimsicott's defense is factored in, so after a Cotton Guard boost or two, its Subs become very difficult to break. Unfortunately, Taunt goes through Substitutes, and this set is pretty much useless against any Grass-type due to their immunity to Leech Seed. I'm really hoping that Whimsicott gets Draining Kiss when Pokebank launches, but its probably unlikely.

This set is best supported by Toxic Spikes and other residual damage dealers. It also works very well against Breloom and Smeargle leads, who usually start with a Spore. The best way to do it is to lead with something else, switch Whimsicott in to absorb the Spore (since it won't be affected, as spore is a Grass-type move), then use priority Encore, forcing the switch.
 
Jojobobo said:
I don't think the Fairy typing did Whimsicott any favours, as steel users are now going to be able to do a number on Whimsicott (even more so if they use bullet punch and outspeed its Prankster priority, something which Mega Lucario could possibly do). Having said that, the boost to Infiltrator in conjunction with it being the only pokemon with both Infilitrator and encore (currently) will be quite interesting.
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Resisting ground, water, fighting, dark, and being totally immune to dragon is a good thing. Definitely worth trading for a steel weakness to something which already slaughtered it anyway. (As in -- being weak to Scizor's priority move instead of it's pivot move is a good thing.) It's also no longer weak to bug, which is fantastic for using it against volturn.

Now if it can just get Parting Shot... that'd be glorious.
 
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I don't think subseed is bad because with some defensive investment there are many pokemon out there that you're guaranteed to get a sub up against (after you have scouted out moves and realized they're not running flamethrower or ice punch or whatever). I like it as a full stop to rotom-w. I think the taunt is also mandatory. Which leaves you deciding between stun spore, tailwind, endeavor, and u-turn. I pick u-turn. Finally, subseed can be useful for completely stalling out moves like fire blast and stone edge.

The thing is, this pokemon has to be part of an overall strategy. You're not subseeding just to be annoying for the sake of being annoying. You're doing it to scout moves, force switches, whittle things down, anti-lead, etc. When their counter comes in you ought to have the perfect teammate in the wings to take advantage. For example, most people are probably going to send in ferrothorn or scizor or heatran. Therefore you should probably have something like charizard-x on your team with fire/ground coverage. That's just an example though.
 
I used Whimsicott a lot last gen and this typing buff is possibly the best thing she could have asked for - when I think back to the Pokemon that she used to rely on for switch-ins and the Pokemon that used to threaten her, this new found Bug neutrality, Fighting resistance and Dragon immunity are such a huge blessing.

The advent of two new boosting sweepers that outprioritise her in Talonflame and BP MegaLuke is a bit of a downer though; you're in for a rude awakening if you attempt to Prankster Encore their Swords Dances. Then again, Erufuun can use those two as team-mates and utilise that crutch priority Memento to buy set- up opportunities.

Fun pokemon and nice to have around in a pinch.
 
It's probably worth noting Whimsicott is faster than even Mega Lucario by quite a bit, so if you're really that concerned about it you can invest in speed so the Encore goes off before BP. Not that it's a particularly good investment since Whimsicott much prefers full bulk but it's an option if it does become a genuine problem. Given not much you can do about Talonflame though short of Sticky Web support or something.
 
Forsety said:
It's probably worth noting Whimsicott is faster than even Mega Lucario by quite a bit, so if you're really that concerned about it you can invest in speed so the Encore goes off before BP. Not that it's a particularly good investment since Whimsicott much prefers full bulk but it's an option if it does become a genuine problem. Given not much you can do about Talonflame though short of Sticky Web support or something.
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Talonflame is not affected by Sticky Web, unless you have Gravity
 
Hrothgar said:
Substitute is utterly terrible on whimsicott for reasons that have been explained time and time and time again. If you aren't using encore and u-turn, use anything else.
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Since when is priority substitute a bad thing? Whimsicott causes a lot of switches, sub is the safest way to abuse that. No sweeper in their right mind is going to stay in on whimsicott after a swords dance, so against most teams, sub gets you an extra turn to annoy your opponent. Some people will bring in a slower mon that you can sub seed to oblivion and others will bring priority that you can slow uturn out on into something to threaten it. Sub may have been nerfed, but it is still a fantastic move. If you throw encore into the set, you have a decent annoying mon that works as a great pivot. If you want to paralyze something, use klefki or thunderous.
 
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