Also 4 scum in a row, wew THIS is the Jalmont I was wanting to see
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Twin has been on three dead scum iirc, good on him, still doesn't lock anything in a game where throwing your teammate under the bus when you feel that he slipped is so easy. Town read though
It's 3-9 and you don't want to shoot a person with bad connections to flipped scum?
Anyways I want to shoot leet because all of the scum have been doing terrible buddies with each other and hitmonleet has buddied flipped scum and have been buddied by them and I don't see this trend stopping any time soon.
Yup.
My personal belief, based on you and him bickering, is that out of the two of you, there is one scum. No more, and no less. This amount of Scum-Scum arguments is very unlikely, imo. Given my personal confidence in you being mafia, I believe, thus, that Moody is Town. However, if you somehow turn out to be town, by some miraculous circumstance (or Moody flips scum) I'll have to seriously reconsider my reads.
Okay hitmonleet is the shot for sure
I don't see too much scuminess in that post. Granted, I think he's likely wrong, but I don't think he's scum for that.
Think about motivations here. Scum don't want to get people who will shoot them shot at this numbers disadvantage. They want to get other people shot and blame it on someone else, or create a preflip causality that gets 2 town shot no matter what happens.
I agree with twin in that I think there's a good case for Hitmonleet here
I agree with twin in that I think there's a good case for Hitmonleet here
Hitmonleet's post are full of air
>Has been arguing with Former for the majority of the thread.
>Don't want people who will shoot them shot.
What.
I still stand by the fact that Former is mafia, and should be shot immediately.
This post honestly rubs off as town to me, despite it being anti-me, as you're explaining things and being up front with your thoughts. There's actually a blunt logic to the post, as opposed to "lol mafia".
Meanwhile, I find Twin suspect, personally, due to how his posts are mostly one-linery stuff without an actual reason, or one that's really superfluous (claiming I must be scum because I got buddied by Josh, for example, which is kind of the exact opposite of what buddying is, in my experience.)
Still, if you want to hand me the gun and allow me to dispense Vigilante justice, hmu.
Also, obligatory UncleSam tag here.
want to explain buddying to me then
i'm less surprised at the king flip than i was at the pancake flip, which is to say i've been saying king should be a top 4 shot for about as many shots now.
king flipping mafia makes me lower moody a bit probability-wise however these recent interactions put him right back up as a good shot.
this sudden burst of activity from an otherwise-idle slot seems like his remaining teammates got frenzied up at pancake/king going down back to back and figured i, at the least, would push hard onto moody. so they demanded he make some posts and do something.
especially because he tunnels onto former hope pretty quickly... despite clearly not having read the thread. if he had, he would've known the joshcake slot was not really feeling fh.
the votes when moody cast his were on fh, moody, and sam. sam had been moody's top shot for a while now but moody suddenly says fh is who he'd shoot today, later claiming sam is his other shot. this seems really self-defensive if he's town. if he was actually town i'd expect he sticks on sam like he has all game. i think enough people have been uncertain of sam he knows sam isn't going to be shot today, so he switches to the guy he thinks has a lot more likelihood of being shot, over him. this doesn't feel like a town target swap to me but mafia trying to get some other guy killed. they prob hope if they can get some villagers to discredit fh too he'll misfire onto someone who just recently started grilling him.
that said if moody and leet are somehow both town i think fh is 99% mafia.
notice how all these people just go "sure hand me the gun/i deserve to get shot at this point/ill deal with my scumreads myself" as if that's an actual defense or reason they're town to anyone else.
in the bizarro world where there's only 1 scum between moody and leet and particularly if it's moody, and fh is town, i think blazade is a very strong candidate for scum partner. he makes this town-minded post about wanting to avoid scum setting up misfires then pushes for leet. which makes me think he'd be with moody, trying to push the leet misfire to get rid of jalmont, then get rid of fh, then maybe at that point you sacc moody if he's still on fh's radar. but blazade isn't tied particularly strongly to anyone there.
if moody/leet are mafia i think ag is the final almost assuredly due to his bad logic and odd shifts in pushes all game. he moved from me to sam and sam i still scumread, but he could be town and ag hopes sam has been too inactive to make a good shot if he gets the gun. versus me who ag is prob afraid will decimate his scumteam once and for all. it became more advantageous for ag to gun for sam. i want to analyze the difference in my reads versus sam's for further confirmation of this. alternatively, moody/ag/sam is a very possible team as i posited before.
the problem with telling between blazade and sam, who could be a moody partner, is they both have done jack diddly all game.
king flipping mafia makes me lower moody a bit probability-wise however these recent interactions put him right back up as a good shot.
this sudden burst of activity from an otherwise-idle slot seems like his remaining teammates got frenzied up at pancake/king going down back to back and figured i, at the least, would push hard onto moody. so they demanded he make some posts and do something.
especially because he tunnels onto former hope pretty quickly... despite clearly not having read the thread. if he had, he would've known the joshcake slot was not really feeling fh.
the votes when moody cast his were on fh, moody, and sam. sam had been moody's top shot for a while now but moody suddenly says fh is who he'd shoot today, later claiming sam is his other shot. this seems really self-defensive if he's town. if he was actually town i'd expect he sticks on sam like he has all game. i think enough people have been uncertain of sam he knows sam isn't going to be shot today, so he switches to the guy he thinks has a lot more likelihood of being shot, over him. this doesn't feel like a town target swap to me but mafia trying to get some other guy killed. they prob hope if they can get some villagers to discredit fh too he'll misfire onto someone who just recently started grilling him.
that said if moody and leet are somehow both town i think fh is 99% mafia.
notice how all these people just go "sure hand me the gun/i deserve to get shot at this point/ill deal with my scumreads myself" as if that's an actual defense or reason they're town to anyone else.
in the bizarro world where there's only 1 scum between moody and leet and particularly if it's moody, and fh is town, i think blazade is a very strong candidate for scum partner. he makes this town-minded post about wanting to avoid scum setting up misfires then pushes for leet. which makes me think he'd be with moody, trying to push the leet misfire to get rid of jalmont, then get rid of fh, then maybe at that point you sacc moody if he's still on fh's radar. but blazade isn't tied particularly strongly to anyone there.
if moody/leet are mafia i think ag is the final almost assuredly due to his bad logic and odd shifts in pushes all game. he moved from me to sam and sam i still scumread, but he could be town and ag hopes sam has been too inactive to make a good shot if he gets the gun. versus me who ag is prob afraid will decimate his scumteam once and for all. it became more advantageous for ag to gun for sam. i want to analyze the difference in my reads versus sam's for further confirmation of this. alternatively, moody/ag/sam is a very possible team as i posited before.
the problem with telling between blazade and sam, who could be a moody partner, is they both have done jack diddly all game.
blazade has flipped on moody like 200 times at this point
is it just me or is flyhn coasting after being town read by nearly everybody
Yeah moody's been giving me really mixed signals this game. I never have him surviving to the end though so my read is more of a prediction to try and get a bead on other players at this point.
And I'm putting in work, Yeti. I may be more laid back than usual but this is far from jack shit.
Leet I was under the impression former and moody declared they'd shoot each other so forgive me if I didn't bundle you in that logic.
And I'm putting in work, Yeti. I may be more laid back than usual but this is far from jack shit.
Leet I was under the impression former and moody declared they'd shoot each other so forgive me if I didn't bundle you in that logic.
i agree especially with that cool town sounding WOW 4 MAFIA! post that leet and moody liked
smells like towncred gain thoooo
Fort colorcastle/King_ postmortem scum ISO
Fort Colorcastle
Game Start
#35 - confirm, gamerule vote
#39 - gamerule stuff
#57 - changes gamerule vote
#58 - Shoot scumhunters last
#72 - Semi-calls out Hitmonleet's post
#73 - gives odds
#166 - Agrees with me on why scum gave Texas gun
#167 - No major disadvantage to shooting a townie because they don't die right away
#168 - Clarifies, shooting town that you think may be scum
#179 - Defends himself a bit against Aura
#187 - that's every day lol
#188 - Soul read = Gut read? What's wrong with gutreads this early?
#189 - are they different?
#196 - Calls Empoof out for wifom
#231 - Says Yeti's point strengthens the US FoS, continues to call out Empoof for a bus
#248 - Takes note of my increased activity at that time
#252 - Breakdown of Sam's post
#253 - Idling townies would be the worst gunbarers
#269 - Admits a mistake in #252
#270 - Just gimmie gun so i can shoot Sam
#273 - After that i'll judge on D2 stuff and Sam's trs
#282 - Haruno and Yeti unexplained, Empoof?
#285 - Tru about Haruno
#291 - Rubbed the wrong way by DBW
#297 - Rather agrees in the rng method
#299 - Does the math of how likely it is to win randomly
#340 - but that's everyone
shubaka17 is shot
Haruno gets gun
#429 - no posting lol
#538 - sorry school
#550 - Gives some "floaty thoughts" on things. Biggest takeout is he's fine with a Sam shot, not sold on scum!yeti
#606 - Big post here. Not a lot of reads, but of what is here we see out of living players, Me/Yeti town, Former/Sam/Aura scum, everyone else was null
#613 - will be busy .-.
#660 - Pointed that out in #606 :l
#661 - Talks a bit about Jalmont's few posts at that point
Empoof gets gun
#695 - thanks haruno ;-;
#749 - Answering Yeti's questions, would shoot in Aura Guardian, DBW, Former Hope, UncleSam, Winter-Delta
DeathByWobbuffet gets gun
Jalmont gets gun
winter-delta is shot
King_subs in
#1000 - Still reading game, excluding dead since then, reads from town-scum are Former, Aura, leet, me, Asek, Blazade, Twin, Moody, Sam, Yeti
#1002 - explains a small detail
#1004 - don't question me until i'm off phone lol
#1009 - explains another now-irrelevant detail (why josh instead of pancake on list)
#1044 - I can't read upside-down .-.
#1046 - Yeti is baseless
#1055 - lost his shit page 22
#1057 - not typing on mobile
#1060 - Sam sucks
#1062 - Why me = fry me m8
#1064 - Sam's hardly doing anything
#1068 - lol bitching
#1070 - hey twin's posting! enter the great king v twin saga
#1071 - answer.
#1073 - lol deflect
#1081 - answer. now.
#1086 - just humor me
#1088 - elaborate
#1091 - why do YOU get a pass?
#1096 - yeti, give reads that aren't baseless
#1097 - Top 3 shots, everyone?
#1110 - stop with meta please
#1112 - elaborate
#1121 - Shooting Yeti 90%
#1123 - Walrein, reads?
#1147 - Asek, Blazade, give reads
#1149 - quoting twin
#1150 - quoting twin still
#1151 - more quoting twin
#1154 - lol mobile sux
#1177 - Scum Sam/Yeti after reading back
pancake is shot
#1223 - STOP USING META ALONE
#1224 - you'd better not shitpost about this
#1226 - twin never talk to me again
#1299 - Would shoot twin, Yeti, Sam, Asek
King_ is shot
CONCLUSIONS: Fort had Yeti as town, but once King subbed in that immediately flipped around to the exact same "durr Yeti's doing nothing" song and dance that every single other dead scum so far has pulled. Yet again in my eyes this strengthens Yeti as town. OVER HALF of a scumteam wouldn't bus someone that hard unless they've already slipped.
Not sure what to make of the King v Twin argument. King was scum yes, but his frustration at twin seemed genuine. Angry over getting bussed, or getting figured out immediately from what he sees as a bullshit reason? No clue. twin has remained active since though, and is playing more like what i'd expect from twin than he was before... hm
Both Fort AND King didn't like Sam, though King for the reason of the Yeti+Sam connection people are seeing. I mean, i kinda see it from Sam's side.. but i'm unsure about it on Yeti's. Fort scumread Sam for his readspost early on instead, a much townier looking reason. Forts biggest mistake this game was subbing out tbh, if Fort were still the one in that slot i believe he would've had more townreads. If he weren't dead and i didn't know he was scum, I'd still tr Fort at this point if i'm being honest after that ISO.
Moody.. not much to say there outside of King having him on the scummier side of the initial readspost. Still want him shot first currently though, the connections i found already as well as the TvS feeling argument with Former being why
Former was King's strongest non-confirmed townread, and was one of Fort's scumreads. Another case of a change in views in this slot post-sub... in terms of interactions with this slot Former's the reverse-Yeti, and idk what exactly to make of that
Fort Colorcastle
Game Start
#35 - confirm, gamerule vote
#39 - gamerule stuff
#57 - changes gamerule vote
#58 - Shoot scumhunters last
#72 - Semi-calls out Hitmonleet's post
#73 - gives odds
#166 - Agrees with me on why scum gave Texas gun
#167 - No major disadvantage to shooting a townie because they don't die right away
#168 - Clarifies, shooting town that you think may be scum
#179 - Defends himself a bit against Aura
#187 - that's every day lol
#188 - Soul read = Gut read? What's wrong with gutreads this early?
#189 - are they different?
#196 - Calls Empoof out for wifom
#231 - Says Yeti's point strengthens the US FoS, continues to call out Empoof for a bus
#248 - Takes note of my increased activity at that time
#252 - Breakdown of Sam's post
#253 - Idling townies would be the worst gunbarers
#269 - Admits a mistake in #252
#270 - Just gimmie gun so i can shoot Sam
#273 - After that i'll judge on D2 stuff and Sam's trs
#282 - Haruno and Yeti unexplained, Empoof?
#285 - Tru about Haruno
#291 - Rubbed the wrong way by DBW
#297 - Rather agrees in the rng method
#299 - Does the math of how likely it is to win randomly
#340 - but that's everyone
shubaka17 is shot
Haruno gets gun
#429 - no posting lol
#538 - sorry school
#550 - Gives some "floaty thoughts" on things. Biggest takeout is he's fine with a Sam shot, not sold on scum!yeti
#606 - Big post here. Not a lot of reads, but of what is here we see out of living players, Me/Yeti town, Former/Sam/Aura scum, everyone else was null
#613 - will be busy .-.
#660 - Pointed that out in #606 :l
#661 - Talks a bit about Jalmont's few posts at that point
Empoof gets gun
#695 - thanks haruno ;-;
#749 - Answering Yeti's questions, would shoot in Aura Guardian, DBW, Former Hope, UncleSam, Winter-Delta
DeathByWobbuffet gets gun
Jalmont gets gun
winter-delta is shot
King_subs in
#1000 - Still reading game, excluding dead since then, reads from town-scum are Former, Aura, leet, me, Asek, Blazade, Twin, Moody, Sam, Yeti
#1002 - explains a small detail
#1004 - don't question me until i'm off phone lol
#1009 - explains another now-irrelevant detail (why josh instead of pancake on list)
#1044 - I can't read upside-down .-.
#1046 - Yeti is baseless
#1055 - lost his shit page 22
#1057 - not typing on mobile
#1060 - Sam sucks
#1062 - Why me = fry me m8
#1064 - Sam's hardly doing anything
#1068 - lol bitching
#1070 - hey twin's posting! enter the great king v twin saga
#1071 - answer.
#1073 - lol deflect
#1081 - answer. now.
#1086 - just humor me
#1088 - elaborate
#1091 - why do YOU get a pass?
#1096 - yeti, give reads that aren't baseless
#1097 - Top 3 shots, everyone?
#1110 - stop with meta please
#1112 - elaborate
#1121 - Shooting Yeti 90%
#1123 - Walrein, reads?
#1147 - Asek, Blazade, give reads
#1149 - quoting twin
#1150 - quoting twin still
#1151 - more quoting twin
#1154 - lol mobile sux
#1177 - Scum Sam/Yeti after reading back
pancake is shot
#1223 - STOP USING META ALONE
#1224 - you'd better not shitpost about this
#1226 - twin never talk to me again
#1299 - Would shoot twin, Yeti, Sam, Asek
King_ is shot
CONCLUSIONS: Fort had Yeti as town, but once King subbed in that immediately flipped around to the exact same "durr Yeti's doing nothing" song and dance that every single other dead scum so far has pulled. Yet again in my eyes this strengthens Yeti as town. OVER HALF of a scumteam wouldn't bus someone that hard unless they've already slipped.
Not sure what to make of the King v Twin argument. King was scum yes, but his frustration at twin seemed genuine. Angry over getting bussed, or getting figured out immediately from what he sees as a bullshit reason? No clue. twin has remained active since though, and is playing more like what i'd expect from twin than he was before... hm
Both Fort AND King didn't like Sam, though King for the reason of the Yeti+Sam connection people are seeing. I mean, i kinda see it from Sam's side.. but i'm unsure about it on Yeti's. Fort scumread Sam for his readspost early on instead, a much townier looking reason. Forts biggest mistake this game was subbing out tbh, if Fort were still the one in that slot i believe he would've had more townreads. If he weren't dead and i didn't know he was scum, I'd still tr Fort at this point if i'm being honest after that ISO.
Moody.. not much to say there outside of King having him on the scummier side of the initial readspost. Still want him shot first currently though, the connections i found already as well as the TvS feeling argument with Former being why
Former was King's strongest non-confirmed townread, and was one of Fort's scumreads. Another case of a change in views in this slot post-sub... in terms of interactions with this slot Former's the reverse-Yeti, and idk what exactly to make of that
can you do something besides do shit isos then make a hedging conclusion
ISOing for connections is how gamesolving works at this stage of the game, and isn't gamesolving the ultimate goal?
look at your conclusions all you did was say shit that was already said then say obvious shit that is completely useless then say I'm confused at some other point and never follow up on that point
My conclusions are simply just my thoughts after looking over the info. Not stating something just because someone else already said it isn't a valid reason to keep a thought to yourself
All i use the conclusions for is to give a loose collection of my thoughts
All i use the conclusions for is to give a loose collection of my thoughts
Yo honestly I forgot about that good post a while back. I'm always gonna be wary of you Asek, because your scumgame is actually very good (as seen in paranoia, neighborhood, etc) so without strong evidence you are town I'm gonna be suspicious. Those reads back there do constitute strong evidence though.
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