Can you tell me what you mean by quickhammer?
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NOC WikiMafia 2 Game Thread [Day 6]
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Quickhammer = Mafia sees L-X votes on a townie, places X of their own votes on said townie to get them voted and immediately end the day (and win the game essentially)
I probably shouldn't have used the word "quickly" in this because I was not talking about a quickhammer here, I was talking about a regular hammer, theoretically consisting of mostly townies
In #5425 and #5426 you were talking about hammer, and then you immediately added your vote onto the des pile making her vote L-2
Honestly I don't think it's that bad if maf get hammered no? If it is then it's my inexperience talking but yeah
I mean I was talking about the amounts of votes needed to hammer, by this point 2 people already were sitting on des too so it's not like mafia couldn't try to hammer (if we go by your scumteam reads)
I think you may have misread my post as AF said but in general I would still say yes, it's a bad thing for a mafia to get hammered within the first quarter of the phase. The game centers around town's public discussion and opinions to resolve what is happening, and part of a smart mafia's goal is to limit the amount of discussion the town is able to have
Though that being said I don't think it applies as much at MYLO (LYLO?)
I mean yeah my reply was bad but I just don't think des is town, I feel like mafia can quickhammer another mafia if they want but what's the point
But you said yourself you were going back and forth on the des read
So if you genuinely believed there was a decent chance that des would be town, placing your vote on her there is a risk to the town even if you do believe she is maybe 65% maf, 35% town
Were you feeling more confident on the des read at the time / are you feeling more confident on her now?
What I'm getting at is that placing your vote at that exact time gives me TMI vibes - you knew that maf wasn't going to quickhammer the vote because of your actions (because you ARE the maf) and therefore it didn't matter to you whether your vote was on des or not
this was talked about a bunch one second
here
this post led to me going postal from having to explain it a thousand times
i can find specific examples if you want but im also pretty sure ive literally called you out on this exact thing before
TMI = too much information
A townie in your position doesn't know for a fact whether des is town or mafia, and therefore is scared that if they are wrong and des is town they are giving the mafia the ability to quickhammer her.
A mafia in your position knows des's alignment and knows that placing your vote on des at that point has no possibility to lead to your team instantly losing the game.
First of all, while your vote brought des to L-2, Blizihguh immediately removed their vote to bring her back to L-3.
Second, see #5443 for my theories on why a quickhammer isn't guaranteed as well as the followup in #5514
Okay I'm ngl I don't know if I fully understand but I'm going to try and explain it and please don't yell at me too badly if I'm misunderstanding
You submit a night action on somebody and 2 days later, if you have idled that action ever since, you learn if your action succeeded or not, and if your action succeeded they were town?
So you're saying you targeted Psy N1, you don't get any feedback on whether it succeeded or not. But then you moved off Psy and targeted Flandrs instead on N2 and got the result that the action succeeded on N4?
And ik there's the added part about getting to know who they visited if they die but that part doesn't seem relevant at the moment
I don't really get the point you're trying to make, assuming your scumteam of Me/Bliz/AF/Pulsar (or Tommy or DBD in the last slot). Unless if DBD is scum, mafia could just have hammered by now, I feel like AF and Pulsar could vote at the same time easily, especially since they are both active recently. It's also the first time this game there have been almost no major pushback from voting someone (apart from you), and I feel like scum would rather have a whole day of debate on the des slot even if they have to sacrifice her instead of having actual progress on the game.
my role goes like
use active 1 on A
active 2 is automatically used on A (assuming active 1 isnt used)
active three (the action that only succeeds if target is town) is automatically used again on A (again assuming active 1 isnt used)
sso what happened
i used active 1 on psy n1
due to mech messiness (psy claimed rogue [i think thats the name) i was like yeah fuck this im not messing with that
i used active 1 on flandrs n2
this caused me to use active 2 on flandrs n3
and then active 3 on flandrs n3, which succeeded
ergo assuming i didnt get redirected flandrs is town
does this make this clear
btw youre so fucking lucky you asked me this at a time when im less postal than i was before bc i would have exploded if this happened before
yes i believe this is true
i rly hope i dont have to explain this to more subs
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