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Your Favorite Underrated Pokes.
- Thread starter The Hiphopopotamus
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Oh, okay then. I'll just play OU for the rest of my life and not use anything creative whatsoever.
GengarSkarmBlissCressTtarAzelf ish so fun!
Imma alsoz gon strt makin my Vocab bad. Sry fr usin wordz tht ishn't good.
Toast, (and sarcasm) Ftw. =]
You've gotta be joking me...First off, with the stats, it's the other way around. The only stat that Gengar has over Froslass is the special attack and 5 more base special defense. Froslass is tied in speed and has better in everything else besides special attack and a bit of special defense (The better HP still lets it have better special defense capabilities anyway).
STAB Ice Beam actually does make up for any huge cons quite a bit, because Ice is a much better offensive type than Ghost will ever be. Thunder Wave cripples a lot more than Hypnosis thanks to perfect accuracy and the fact that it lasts the whole match instead of just 1-4 turns.
STAB Ice Shard is actually very nice as well for stopping Choice Scarfers such as Garchomp, meanwhile Gengar will die extremely fast to Outrage thanks to appauling defenses.
Froslass is also the only Spiker that also blocks Rapid Spin while setting up the spikes, I'd say that if there has to be something, then that's a huge advantage over Gengar.
Heh, remember, Froslass can make mincemeat out of many leads with the Wake-Up Slap set, and destroy a lot of things, including Gengar if Froslass has a Choice Scarf on. This also means that Froslass is a much better counter for Weavile since it doesn't need to get massacred to 1 HP to counter it, it can just kill with Wake-Up Slap.
On another note, that's your opinion if you don't want people saying their set is brilliant. You saying that isn't really gonna change anything, sorry.
I think that you think i pokemon that is better in maybe 1 out of 50 situations can be considered better always. Gengar can F*** up blisseys so much better than froslass can, looks more badass and is WAY more unpedictable.
Edit: to replay to that ther guy supporting frosslass, its defences still suck, so it can barely take hits. Wakeup slap does nothing to wevile that HP fighting or focus blast cant, and there are many better ice shard users than frosslass. Ice/ghost gives more weaknesses. Frosslass looks gay. Roy has teh ph1r3. gg
RE-EDIT: Also, above poster seems to imply that a choice scarf wakeupslap vs a gengar opener will to ANYTHING AT ALL. roy still has teh ph1r3
And this is also a thread about underrated Pokemon. Rather than arguing that Froslass is an inferior Gengar, leave it be. Nobody is saying that you have to use it, if you dislike it so much, just leave it at that.
You could post a similar underrated Pokemon, or you know, post something worthwhile, but at the very least, don't go recommending an obvious OU alternative. That goes completely against the point of the thread altogether. Remember, the said Pokemon is underrated for a reason.
You could post a similar underrated Pokemon, or you know, post something worthwhile, but at the very least, don't go recommending an obvious OU alternative. That goes completely against the point of the thread altogether. Remember, the said Pokemon is underrated for a reason.
Why the hell did you even post here? Seriously, first off, it doesn't sound like you've used Froslass at all, and your leetspeak is not fuckin making me want to care about a damn thing you're saying. Sorry, but I just hate leetspeak.
Why the hell would I be using Wakeup-Slap against Gengar, I'm not a friggin idiot, I said it was the Wake-Up Slap SET, read the post please. It's actually the Choice Scarf set, and I'd obviously use Shadow Ball on Gengar. Wake-Up Slap is for Weaviles. Next time you post something trying to imply that I'm a dumbass, listen to that little filter in your head that tells you to think, and actually read posts before making assumptions.
I never said that Froslass's defenses don't suck, but that they're better than Gengar's, which was the point I was trying to make by saying that. Froslass actually can take a couple of hits as well. For the record, Ice/Ghost is a much better offensive typing, and Froslass can go mixed a lot better than Gengar can. Who the fuck cares what Froslass looks like? You're honestly just asking for people to flame you when you say stupid things like that. Sorry for snapping like this, but you really don't sound like you have any experience with Froslass or have done any kind of research to back up your claims....
You don't have to be such a dip, you know. I assure that Bologo knows what he's doing, and your post count coupled with your attitude would make your arguement seem problematic even if it were true.
Of course everything is going to have its counters, and so what if Gengar can take care of Blissey so much better than Froslass can. Focus Blast has crap accuracy, and it doesn't even matter because they each have different purposes. Froslass can set up Spikes, has better STAB, and has better defenses overall - which you say are crap, yet you say nothing about Gengar.
Go ahead and bag on me too, but you seemed to have missed the point that this thread was made for a discussion about underused and under-rated Pokemon. Of course something a tier or two above will do the same thing better - you're retarded if you don't know that - but assuming that nobody knows that and then posting that somebody's set that may or may not work for them or you is crappy, then you are the one who's retarded.
Have a good night ;).
Uh no, I was saying there is no way Chris is me can unequivocably state that Gengar is always superior to Froslass in every situation and that Froslass has no redeeming qualities when it clearly does, STAB Ice being infinitely superior to STAB poison to name the most obvious one, and a fighting immune being extraordinarily usefull on Hail Teams, especially given Froslass even gets an evasion boost in Hail.
Thanks for not reading my post at all and putting words in my mouth.
Furthermore, Gengar can't do anything to Blissey unless it wants to A: Rely on a 70% accurate 8 PP special move that also needs to lower SDef while getting half its HP taken out by Ice Beam or crippled by Thunder Wave or B: Kamikaze with Explosion.
Weaknesses are irrelevant because both of them get slaughtered in 2 hits or less anyway by anything they don't resist/immune.
There's a couple of Pokemon I'd put here, first is Floatzel. Taunt+Speed+BP makes for a combination that can't really be stopped (no Roaring/Yawning/Taunting/Setting up for you!). Bulk Up as it's stat move is awesome, because everything appreciates a defense boost.
I noticed Relicanth on the first page... well, he looks good. His biggest drawbacks are his speed and his typing. His speed can be made up for with defenses that outshine those of Skarmory, Mojo, Hippowdon, etc.. His typing is unforgiveable, but it's balanced out by a STAB'd CB Head Smash that's worth 99.9% of Heracross' Adamant CB Close Combat, meaning that Relicanth's Head Smash, and Heracross' Close Combat are roughly equal in power. The sandstream special defense boost is also nice.
I noticed Relicanth on the first page... well, he looks good. His biggest drawbacks are his speed and his typing. His speed can be made up for with defenses that outshine those of Skarmory, Mojo, Hippowdon, etc.. His typing is unforgiveable, but it's balanced out by a STAB'd CB Head Smash that's worth 99.9% of Heracross' Adamant CB Close Combat, meaning that Relicanth's Head Smash, and Heracross' Close Combat are roughly equal in power. The sandstream special defense boost is also nice.
Prove it. I don't mean Bibarel either, I mean bidoof as your post clearly states. Show me a situation where this thing doesn't fail before doing anything. I think the bidoof thing is getting a little old here guys.
I assuming that's includes being BP'd speed and attack?
Rock polish golem can be a nasty surprise if you're unprepared.
Since when did looks mean anything?
If all you're going to do is be an idiot, try to back up a fight with Facts that aren't true,and speak in teh 1337 speak, then GTFO this thread.
Staraptor needs more love imo.
It can be used as a lead and hit everything in sight with Brave Bird, as long as it's not Steel. However, with the massive number of Hippowdon leads (CB'd Adamant Brave Bird does just around 50% and Hippo can outstall it with Slack Off), Staraptor is a viable choice for a late-game cleaner with CB'd, Scarfed, or LO'd Brave Bird/Close Combat
U-turn is also great for scouting, especially Steel types who can get trapped by Magnezone.
Also, Quick Attack has saved my ass many times.
If people aren't prepared much for Staraptor and switch in a tank such as a bulky water or Dusknoir, those Pokemon would easily be 2HKOd.
It can be used as a lead and hit everything in sight with Brave Bird, as long as it's not Steel. However, with the massive number of Hippowdon leads (CB'd Adamant Brave Bird does just around 50% and Hippo can outstall it with Slack Off), Staraptor is a viable choice for a late-game cleaner with CB'd, Scarfed, or LO'd Brave Bird/Close Combat
U-turn is also great for scouting, especially Steel types who can get trapped by Magnezone.
Also, Quick Attack has saved my ass many times.
If people aren't prepared much for Staraptor and switch in a tank such as a bulky water or Dusknoir, those Pokemon would easily be 2HKOd.
Miltank.
Miltank @ Leftovers, Scrappy
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Milk Drink
- Heal Bell
Not much can take it on and out. Heck, it even beats Non-CB'd Metagrosses as long as Metagross doesn't get TOO lucky with Meteor Mash/CH's. Can take a reasonable powered Special hit to boot. Skarmory is so far the only 100% surefire counter that is reasonably often used, as far as I've seen. Probopass, Aggron and Bastiodon prolly kill it too but who uses those anyway?
Miltank @ Leftovers, Scrappy
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Milk Drink
- Heal Bell
Not much can take it on and out. Heck, it even beats Non-CB'd Metagrosses as long as Metagross doesn't get TOO lucky with Meteor Mash/CH's. Can take a reasonable powered Special hit to boot. Skarmory is so far the only 100% surefire counter that is reasonably often used, as far as I've seen. Probopass, Aggron and Bastiodon prolly kill it too but who uses those anyway?