My bad, actually it does learn Sucker Punch by breeding, not Shadow Claw (though it learns it by TM) .Acid Bomb, Aerial Ace, Agility, Ankle Sweep, Attract, Back Out, Calm Mind, Captivate, Claw Sharpen, Complete Burn, Counter, Cut, Dark Pulse, Detect, Dig, Double Team, Embargo, Extrasensory, Facade, Faint Attack, Flamethower, Fling, Focus Blast, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Get Even, Giga Impact, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Imprison, Leer, Memento, Nasty Plot, Night Burst, Night Slash, Payback, Protect, Psych Up, Punishment, Pursuit, Rain Dance, Rest, Return, Roar, Rock Smash, Scary Face, Scratch, Shadow Ball, Shadow Claw, Snatch, Substitute, Sucker Punch, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thief, Torment, Toxic, Troll, U-turn
Even if Illusion only allows it to cause the opponent to waste one turn on an ineffective move, it's enough.Zoroark definately will place mind games on opponents. The more we study the Gen V meta, the more we can utilize him as well, but even so, even if it is able to trick us, it can't take much damage even from a resisted attack, so I know that I won't let it mind rape me too much.
Hell, even if it takes a resisted attack, if the pokemon is not locked into a move, it can just hit it with another move accordingly, and knock it out.
Ditto is sent out against an Illusioned Zoroark (say for this example Volbeat (first one that came to mind for some reason XD)).Lol it would be cool though, using this and ditto on the same team. Or sending ditto out on a Zoroark that took the image of something else. Would it take the image of Zo or the image Zo took?
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Ya I started thinking about it when I left the thread, hilarious shit.Ditto is sent out against an Illusioned Zoroark (say for this example Volbeat (first one that came to mind for some reason XD)).
Ditto will copy ZOROARK: meaning that it will get the Illusion ability and transform into the second pokemon in YOUR party.
So it's a Ditto pretending to be a Zoroark disguised as another pokemon fighting a Zoroark disguised as a Volbeat.
What happens when you lead with zoroark in a 2v2 or 3v3 ?
Really? Hmmm, so much for a Shedninja fake out then.zoroark actually takes over the HP of the pokemon it is fighting as well
Wait, what?zoroark actually takes over the HP of the pokemon it is fighting as well
I think it copies the appearance of it's HP? Like if you send in a 30% Zoroark that copies a 50% Gengar, your opponent sees it as 50% HP whereas it's actually 30%. This is just a theory but it's probably how it would work if it does do it that way (and if it doesn't that makes Zoroark a one trick pony as it's only really useful the first time you bring it in).Wait, what?
Details and source, please.
Ya I hope so, They might suspect something when you bring in a 50% shedninja.I think it copies the appearance of it's HP? Like if you send in a 30% Zoroark that copies a 50% Gengar, your opponent sees it as 50% HP whereas it's actually 30%. This is just a theory but it's probably how it would work if it does do it that way (and if it doesn't that makes Zoroark a one trick pony as it's only really useful the first time you bring it in).
It's possible, but needs verification.I think it copies the appearance of it's HP? Like if you send in a 30% Zoroark that copies a 50% Gengar, your opponent sees it as 50% HP whereas it's actually 30%. This is just a theory but it's probably how it would work if it does do it that way (and if it doesn't that makes Zoroark a one trick pony as it's only really useful the first time you bring it in).
Problem with "similar moves" is you can't just copy the movesets, you have to be copying elements of their most-used movesets, or relying on vague moves like Hidden Power or universally-learnt moves to keep your disguise. Pokemon that favour Substitutes are examples of good disguises as the sheer nature of a sub gives you the means to keep your disguise longer.Ya I hope so, They might suspect something when you bring in a 50% shedninja.
I think this will be a very cool pokemon to use mainly because you will really have think about it and play to your disguise. Only use moves which you know your copy has in till the right moment. Fake choice items which are common on the copy, that sort of thing.
Dont mean to turn this into a darkrai discussion, but unless dark void got nerfed in accuracy ( there were rumors, but the move changes thread here doesn't list it) I don't think they'll be in the same tier. DV nastyplot is incredibly good with his base speed and sp.atk. If he does end up OU, many other nastly plot users will likely move to UU or BL.@Denchura
Gen 5 Tiers are not sorted/created so comparing it to Darkrai is not a horriable thing to do
Well, there was no need to state that the discussion of said video had took place on 4chan, so I omitted it.Also lol @ other site.
I read in one of the old threads somewhere that he always copies the second alive poke on your team. Therefore is the second one is dead he copies the third, if the third is dead he copied the forth, and so on. So its certianly possible to have him transform into more then 1 poke on your team assuming illusion can be restored by switching out. I see zorack not just becoming a powerful poke, but a STRATEGY witch entire teams are built around. Also doesnt zorack get sucker punch? A set like this would work:According to a video I've just watched (and its discussion on another website), apparently Illusion does not always copy the second Pokémon in your party. In this case, it copied Suicune (who didn't even show the Pressure tag, giving the disguise away instantly), when the person who made this video said that Suicune was on his 6th slot.
I believe this guy requires more testing. If Illusion copies a random member of your party instead of a fixed one, this ability has the potential to be completely worthless depending on your team.
[EDIT] There's also a possibility that it always copies the last Pokémon in your party (which, usually, is the 6th one).
I can assure you he does NOT copy the 2nd member of your team, not always anyway.I read in one of the old threads somewhere that he always copies the second alive poke on your team. Therefore is the second one is dead he copies the third, if the third is dead he copied the forth, and so on. So its certianly possible to have him transform into more then 1 poke on your team assuming illusion can be restored by switching out. I see zorack not just becoming a powerful poke, but a STRATEGY witch entire teams are built around. Also doesnt zorack get sucker punch? A set like this would work:
Zorack @ life orb/other
Evs/nature to be dertermined
~sd
~sucker punch
~new crappy fighting move
~flamethrower/taunt/grass knot/night slash/sub
I know its alot of slashes but what can you do.