Too true. Hitmontop can even blow away said spikes with Rapid spin which is always cool.It's important to hit Moltres on the switch though, since if your opponent manages to get Spikes up Moltres will be impossible to switch into.
Hey I never once complained about Moltres.If your opponent gets Spikes up, any sweeper can have their way with you. Without Spikes support, Moltres is no more broken than something like Arcanine or Houndoom, both of whom have Flash Fire and better tools for sweeping (Extremespeed and Nasty Plot respectively). If you can't remove the Spikes or keep the momentum of the match on your side, then you just need to revamp your strategy.
The extra power that Moltres has with 125 base special attack over Houndoom's 110 base and Arcanine's 110 base attack, coupled with a secondary STAB over Arcanine to hit certain "counters/checks" means that Moltres can power through its obstacles much more easily than both Arcanine and Houndoom. Looking at common counters/checks to Moltres, we have Chansey, Milotic, Regirock, and Altaria. With a layer of spikes and Stealth Rock up, these counters suddenly become very shaky. Looking at common counters/checks to Arcanine, we have Milotic, Blastoise, Regirock, Rhyperior, Altaria. Even with a layer of Spikes and Stealth Rock, Arcanine still has a bit of trouble getting through these pokemon, whereas Moltres can easily tear apart Milotic, Regirock, and Altaria with residual damage. Some calculations:If your opponent gets Spikes up, any sweeper can have their way with you. Without Spikes support, Moltres is no more broken than something like Arcanine or Houndoom, both of whom have Flash Fire and better tools for sweeping (Extremespeed and Nasty Plot respectively). If you can't remove the Spikes or keep the momentum of the match on your side, then you just need to revamp your strategy.
lol Flash Fire125 base special attack over Houndoom's 110 base and Arcanine's 110 base attack
Lol onemissstepandyou'llwindupwithdeadhoundoomduetofraildefenses.lol Flash Fire
Probably because the only other Special sweeper that can hit that hard right off the bat is Alakazam, and it's STAB is much worse. Fire is an excellent STAB while Psychic is just meh, especially since it has an immunity. Not to mention Alakazam has to rely on the 70% accuracy Focus Blast to muscle through its counters, while Moltres has access to better moves to sweep with. Alakazam is also more susceptible to priority. If Focus Blast actually had 90+ accuracy i'd actually consider Zam somewhat broken because the sub + 3 sets is already able to rip through teams. But i'm really questioning if Spikes really is the culprit behind Moltres' suspect status. Is Alakazam broken with Spikes? Arcanine? Sceptile? I would probably say no, which means that if Moltres is the only sweeper able to be broken with Spikes support, it has to be more about Moltres then Spikes.I don't understand why it's so hyped either when it requires an assload of support to even do anything when there are other UU sweepers that can take advantage of those options as well, probably even better.
It's not, it's just receiving way too much attention from a combination of the Froslass controversy and people abusing the suspect process to complain about everything their team has a problem with. If you get Spikes set up on you, can't spin them out, and don't have Milotic, Azumarrill, Chansey, or something with Flash Fire on your team, then that's your fault.I would probably say no, which means that if Moltres is the only sweeper able to be broken with Spikes support
Its not like all the UU players gathered up one day and picked out Moltres as the only pokemon broken with Spikes. There's something about it that outshines all the others. I actually had a team that would attempt a Raikou sweep and it's not as easy as you make it. Raikou has trouble with Steelix, Registeel, Chansey, and others depending on the Hidden Power. Not to mention that unless you want to run Specs, Raikou needs to set up Calm Mind to be effective, while Moltres can just unleash attacks right from the start.It's not, it's just receiving way too much attention from a combination of the Froslass controversy and people abusing the suspect process to complain about everything their team has a problem with. If you get Spikes set up on you, can't spin them out, and don't have Milotic, Azumarrill, Chansey, or something with Flash Fire on your team, then that's your fault.
Raikou could sweep teams twice as easily with that much support and it's not banned atm, nor does it look like it will be. Same for Aggron, Rhyperior, Nidoking, and others. We can all agree that none of them are close to broken and from that point of view, relying on superfluous entry hazards to cry broken on everything you don't like is complete folly.
Moltres isn't in that league by a longshot. Before we start claiming the conditions under which it can ruin a team, we need to consider the amount of effort those conditions require. Maintaining multiple layers of entry hazards as well as spinning them out requires a lot of support and a lot of effort, which is reason enough to believe that it shouldn't even be considered for BL.A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.
Pre Brave Bird Honchkrow was still stupidly powerfull.All of the Moltres arguments are based on the faulty assumption that Froslass on your team automatically = 3 layers of unspinnable spikes, which is not the case against an opponent with any sort of sense. Either that or by the time you got up 3 spikes, the opponent has a massively boosted poke ready to sweep you Moltres or otherwise on the ready (see CM Raikou or the like).
Anyway, I like Moltres, he's a part of my team now and is working out well, but he's far from BL. I'd equate him to pre-Brave Bird Honchkrow: a solid wallbreaker but far from BL status.
What Rapid Spinner can survive 2 hits from Moltres after even a layer of Spikes are set up? That's the point. It isn't "only" Froslass who keeps the Spikes off of the field, but it really helps when a Rapid Spinner comes in to "revenge spin(?)" after a KO. That's when Froslass's Spin Blocking capabilities are used.All of the Moltres arguments are based on the faulty assumption that Froslass on your team automatically = 3 layers of unspinnable spikes, which is not the case against an opponent with any sort of sense. Either that or by the time you got up 3 spikes, the opponent has a massively boosted poke ready to sweep you Moltres or otherwise on the ready (see CM Raikou or the like).
Quoted for truthAlso, you don't need 3 Layers. It's just very possible that you'll get three layers.
Then you lose to ambipom and persian.Quoted for truth
Mmmm I got to say. Anti-lead Hariyama is beast, if you run fake out that is... I ran a set w/o one, and got beated by a jumpluff...
Jumpluff is by far the most annoying pokemon ever. Subseeding is such a pain because you can't break it's subs with u-turn I honestly have no idea how it is NU when it was BL in advanceJumpfluff beats a whole lotnof things due to it's enormous speed @ annoying moves.