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Banned deucer.
can we get an idea of how much longer salamence is going to take?
Which are the three pokes you're talking about? Just curious.I like how people (in showdown) are saying that Mence is underperforming because it cannot break the common pink core. While this holds true, the fact that you have to run 3 of the sturdiest of defensive mons just to wall it implicates its brokenness. It limits teambuilding far too much.
The Pink core = Florges, Mew, and Slowbro.Which are the three pokes you're talking about? Just curious.
I was just saying the standard ScarfTini is graet, but I personally run TrickScarfTini, which goes along with your point. And yeah, I just thought you were just belittling the ladder as a whole because of certain sets. No, I see what you're saying, and I do agree with you, but I just thought it was overly bold to say the ladder was incompetent.I'm not saying that particular set is bad (i tried it and got raped but that's just me), but be honest, when scarftini was much more common in uubeta, do you really think trickscarf tini was common at the time? im pretty sure maybe 1/10 ran it.
i agree with what you say about filling specific roles (i personally think phys def mamph is one of the most underrated sets in the meta), but i didn't imply that scarf was the set to use, it's the fact that 8/10 of the ladder is running scarf which while it does fill a specific role, it makes playing against hydrei A LOT easier which is sad because hydrei is known for being one of the more unpredictable mons, and i kinda think that the fact that it had no counters in BWOU yet was still manageable still holds true here (i mean there are some people wanting it to get rebanned but idk). the point i'm trying to make is that we're not really using mons that have the capacity to be very versatile to their full potential and restricting ourselves to one or two sets.
also, you make some good points, but the thing is is that teams are much more prepared for it. crocune isnt even seen as much since its counters have raised in usage, granted not as much as they were in march but they're still a fairly common sight, mainly croaker. and 3 attack hydrei runs iron tail which 2hkos most florges trying to switch in on a predicted draco / dark pulse. there's also the fact that stallbreakers other than mew are becoming much more common, like crobat and sableye ( granted non-toxic crobat loses to bro and sableye loses to flogre but it's not like either of them are very hard to prepare for anyway.)
If anything it will be the opposite, considering it has Sap Sipper to switch into sleep powder with immunity, as well as dragon tail to phase Venomoth or the recipient and remove all boosts. I would probably never use Goodra as a pass recipient when there is already stuff like the Nidos and Mega Houndoom that seem so much better at sweeping at +1/+1/+1. Goodra's below average speed and meh Physical Defense leave it susceptible to some of the most common scarf pokemon after a boost. Obviously the addition of one solid response to quiver pass doesn't mean that it won't still be broken, but it will definitely give Venomoth a better chance at staying in the tier (free VenoQueen).I don't think Volcarona will change anything with Venomoth's vote (it gets torn up on stealth rocks limiting both of their switching power and it might get banned on it's own boosting power) but Goodra with it's already high special stats will probably get banning quiver passing a few votes.
They aren't remotely close to roles the only thing they have in common is quiver dance but Venomoth was suspected on grounds of support Volcarona is a pure sweeper.I don't think Volcarona will change anything with Venomoth's vote (it gets torn up on stealth rocks limiting both of their switching power and it might get banned on it's own boosting power) but Goodra with it's already high special stats will probably get banning quiver passing a few votes.
I didn't say they were similar except for their x4 rock weakness and Volcarona might also be banned.They aren't remotely close to roles the only thing they have in common is quiver dance but Venomoth was suspected on grounds of support Volcarona is a pure sweeper.
This isn't a definitive list as we don't have may's usage stats yet but it looks likeCan someone please inform me about all the 'mons that dropped ? I know Venomoth did, but what else ?
Only Volcarona is x4 weak Veno is x2 that aside I was replying to Volcarona in any way affecting Moth's ban status when they just don't run parallel to one another in any way so they really do not affect one another. I think Volcarona's impending ban is pretty obvious since it has very good coverage, it doesn't have Heatran to worry about which was the primary cause of its moveslot issues that and fire + bug are very good STABs in UU. Overall, the UU environment is makes it much easier for Volcarona since many of her checks don't exist here and bulky waters are a prevalent answer to fire spam, which she can easily bypass and even take advantage of with Giga Drain.I didn't say they were similar except for their x4 rock weakness and Volcarona might also be banned.
If I recall earlier posts also note Togekiss, Blissey, and Infernape as potential drop downs, though they are more uncertain we'll see in a few hours!This isn't a definitive list as we don't have may's usage stats yet but it looks like
OU shit that is dropping to UU
UU shit that is rising to OU
- alakazam
- goodra
- volcarona
- manaphy
- lucario
It is better to just wait a couple of days though for may's usage stats
- scolipede (already bl)
- quagsire
- smeargle
- vaporeon
- gardevoir (mega is already bl)
- manectric
- medicham (mega is already bl)
Idk, if it got that many votes for BL I think it should stay there. It's a massive threat, and Klefki was annoying af.Is there a protocol for (re)re-testing suspects voted bl by slim margins like Salamence or Klefki?