Unfortunately, nobody is really scared of Doruzyu outside of Sandstorm. And if SS is on the field, people will know that you're a Zoroark, since you'll be taking SS damage.
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Zoroark
- Thread starter jumpluff
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I think some people are missing focus. If you're underwhelmed by him it's because you're thinking too generically with him. Thanks to his ability he is the definitive counter counter. He clears the worst threats your opponent has so your real DDer can dance without fear of Ice Shard cause it got Flamethrowered, or DynamicPunch Machamp can wreck havoc without a Ghost to block it anymore thanks to Dark Pulse. Zoroark's job isn't to sweep, although it can get away with it if you're lucky, but he's going to mae the rest of your team's jobs a heck of a lot easier! I'm frothing at the mouth thinking of the possibilities and I am so going to train one to use.
Theyre sure many chances to use zoroark as a counter-counter, But the problem will be, that every Hazard will show you, wether its the True Zoro or not, and after youve hit it or his double one time youll every timesee the bluff :(
On WIFI you can see the oppenent Team before batteling it, so youll see Zoroark before and this thing is so frail, itll get hurt even from a neutral move very bad, but do we know wheter itll be on Shoddy, too?
On WIFI you can see the oppenent Team before batteling it, so youll see Zoroark before and this thing is so frail, itll get hurt even from a neutral move very bad, but do we know wheter itll be on Shoddy, too?
Love this thing to bits. I think two of the best partners would be:
SD/NP - Infernape- has similar speed and reactions to passive damage, and it can counter some of Ape's counters... it could be very effective.
NP - Mismagius- perfect defensive synergy (typing), with similar defenses and identical speed. Not completely identical for passive damage, but fairly close. Not quite as synergetic as Ape on an offensive front, but better from a defensive perspective.
Aside from those two, many of the best would likely require additional support, such as spinners. In particular, someone like Dragonite would work both defensively and offensively. Dragonite provides the fighting and bug resistance illusion, whilst Zoroark clears bulky waters and steels with Grass Knot and a fire move.
I haven't really looked too much at this gen's additions, but there's sure to be a couple of gems there!
SD/NP - Infernape- has similar speed and reactions to passive damage, and it can counter some of Ape's counters... it could be very effective.
NP - Mismagius- perfect defensive synergy (typing), with similar defenses and identical speed. Not completely identical for passive damage, but fairly close. Not quite as synergetic as Ape on an offensive front, but better from a defensive perspective.
Aside from those two, many of the best would likely require additional support, such as spinners. In particular, someone like Dragonite would work both defensively and offensively. Dragonite provides the fighting and bug resistance illusion, whilst Zoroark clears bulky waters and steels with Grass Knot and a fire move.
I haven't really looked too much at this gen's additions, but there's sure to be a couple of gems there!
How about Toxicroak as a Zoroark partner? It resists Zoroark's weanesses, and Zorark is immune to Psychic? They have similar movesets, so could easily bluff as each other. However, they may be too similar, and aside from maybe Psychic types, I don't know what Toxicroak would lure out for Zoroark...
Although Toxicroak could work, it resists the most common hazard, Stealth Rock, whilst Zoroark does not. I suggested Mismagius and Infernape as top choices- mostly because of their similar reactions (with Zoroark) to various forms of passive damage, thus requiring least support to work effectively. Most other ideal choices I can see do not share such qualities (many fliers) and would require additional support.
As I said in my previous post, I haven't looked much into the 5th gen choices.
As I said in my previous post, I haven't looked much into the 5th gen choices.
I'm glad most of the community is in aggrement about zoroark's best use as a hit and run pokemon so as to use his illusion ability to the max.
i couldnt agree more myself. A scarf set is obviously the most practical, and it seems that a scarf set that can effectively utilize U-Turn as well as special attacks can become very deadly.
i couldnt agree more myself. A scarf set is obviously the most practical, and it seems that a scarf set that can effectively utilize U-Turn as well as special attacks can become very deadly.
On a theoretical Choice Band set, show me another move that would be better than Night Slash in the last spot. Return? Dig?
Flamethrower or Ankle Sweep. Even though Flamethrower isn't boosted by Choice Band, it still works off of Zoroark's higher SpAtk and will hit Skarmory, Scizor, Forretress, and Nattorei hard. Ankle Sweep is Zoroark's only physical Fighting attack (odd that it doesn't get Brick Break) and gets perfect coverage with its Dark STAB.
I'll give you the flamethrower idea, because it makes sense. Maybe a naive nature with that...
But ankle sweep? Over a flamethrower even? it just seems too weak to be an option.
Also, not that it matters too much, but Dark/Fighting doesnt give perfect coverage. It is resisted by Heracross and Toxicroak. just so you know...
^An npc gives you a zorua in hiun city but i don't know the details.
Anyway, i'm totally psyched about pursuit on this thing. I think it could work well with erufuun since the little cotton ball causes switches like no other. Taunt/night slash/pursuit/u-turn could be extremely effective with illusion.
Anyway, i'm totally psyched about pursuit on this thing. I think it could work well with erufuun since the little cotton ball causes switches like no other. Taunt/night slash/pursuit/u-turn could be extremely effective with illusion.
Zoroark is a tricky to play around with. You sometimes have to guess if it's the actual pokemon or Zoroark at the end game. Now it all depends on the partner of it. The partner needs to beable to force switches and lure out counters/checks that are threatening the real pokemon so the Zoroark can eliminate them. Sort of like a ultimate lure.
So Illusion allows it to become another Pokemon? Not Typing? Wow. LOL. Using it as a sweeper, it can put use to Illusion but other than that. I can't really see use.
Yep it disguises everything except moves, stats and typing.
It disguises name, gender, sprite. It does NOT however hide HP.
Then again, why wouldn't you use Zoroark for sweeping? Illusion yourself as a Blissey-bait pokémon, use Substitute, ???, profit.
Max HP or Current HP. %age?
Its just that im curious as to what the opponent would see when playing against zoroark.
It also doesn't copy the Pokemon's level.
But that's not a problem in lv. 100 battles.
But that's not a problem in lv. 100 battles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2DgoILzTxc&feature=related
A video in which zoroark is used in a very cool way as a starter :D
A video in which zoroark is used in a very cool way as a starter :D
Yeah, Kojondo will probably become a new Ambipom (i.e. annoying as heck Pokemon that keeps Fake Out-ing you).
It's a shame Zoroark doesn't learn Fake Out himself. He could be a great Lead with it, and he could keep the Illusion disguise for a bit longer with it + U-Turn.
Zoroark has whatever HP it has, that's unaffected by Illusion. I'm not sure what you're asking here since on WiFi you can't see the % or number of HP your opponent has anyway, so the only giveaway in that respect is the amount of damage Zoroark has taken compared to the Pokemon it's imitating. Unless by HP% you simply mean the position of the green bar and not an actual number, in which case no; Zoroark appears to have it's own HP; not that of the imitated Pokemon.
If you mean on simulators where the HP values can actually be seen and such, that'll be relative to how the simulator handles it. On Wi-Fi at least what you see is the Pokemon Zoroark is imitating come out of the ball with said sprite and nickname; there's no indication it's Zoroark outside of the HP bar.
soul_survivor
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it can work as a suicide lead making it look like a pokemon its not which might trick opponents. it might be able to force a switch but takes serious damage from many attacks so a focus sash is a must.