I disagree about Light, the problem is that it only matters to Dark. How can you type it to anything else? What does light do other than counter darkness? Not normal, not fire, not water, not grass, not bug, not psychic, maybe ice, not poison, not dragon, etc. They should have went went something other than pink though for the colour.
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226 HP at level 80? Noivern's only got like 75 hp then. That's not horrible I guess, but if it doesn't have decent defenses to bulk it up...
Assuming that the source wasn't partially mistaken (which is always possible), the Fairy type will...
to me it looks more like an offensive nuke, honestly. i wouldn't really think about the defences too much. a lot of attackers don't really have much for bulk.
If 0 IVs 0 EVs: base HP 135=Highest possible
If 0 IVs 252 EVs: base HP 103
If 31 IVs 0 EVs: base HP 104
If 31 IVs 252 EVs: base HP 72=Base HP will be this or higher
These look like some sweet HP stats! I like Noivern based on what I've seen so far
EDIT: I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS CORRECT AT ALL
THIS IS HORRIBLY INCORRECT ACTUALLY, DO NOT PAY ATTENTION
252 EVs, 31 IV = 38 base HP
0 EVs, 31 IV = 70 base HP
0 EVs, 0 IV = 85 base HP
Last two are the most probable.
Hence why some old mons get retyping.
Not true.
Just like Fairy wouldn't be just girly fantasy tropes, Light wouldn't be just religious fantasy tropes.
Light can mean things like angels, but light is also what the the sun emits, light is what lasers are made of, insects and fish are often attracted to light, plants require light to photosynthesize, many reptiles need access to UVB light for proper bone growth, light is generated by some chemical reactions....
I could probably go on for a whole page, and most of those things could be made into Pokemon concepts or game mechanics for Light.
So?
Fairies are usually about mysticism, magic, spirituality, and mischief, but all of those themes are already conveyed by Psychic, Ghost, and perhaps Dark. So the developers decided to do the re-typing.
Light would have some theme overlap between Electric and Grass, but that's probably all. Fire produces photons, but it also produces a lot of heat, and doesn't have any other themes in common. Re-typing would still happen, but it would be more meaningful, because of how important light is in the universe and because of how easy it would be to use thematically (outside of religious stuff, which is usually the way it ends up).
Some examples:
Dark/Light - Star/Nova pokemon
Bug/Light - Retyping for Illumise/Volbeat
Grass/Light - Retyping for Sunflora
Water/Light - Anglerfish pokemon (more realistic than Lanturn)
Rock/Light - Crystal pokemon
Dragon/Light - New Dragon type, or maybe a Dunsparce evolution.
Steel/Light - Knight pokemon
Ghost/Light - Invisibility pokemon (perhaps a reference to The Invisible Man classic sci fi movie)
Light could also be combined with pretty much any animal for a bioluminescent version of that animal.
...how many users of frost breath are notable tho
the ones that come to mind for me are the ice cream 'mons and lol who cares
I'm really hoping that Togekiss can benefit from the new Fairy typing. since he is already a dual type, I'm not sure what Gamefreak is going to do, would be nice to see him as a Flying/Fairy type; if he didn't already own enough, he'd be even more broken if he's part Fairy!
I'm thinking that 70 is probably the most likely, as I just have a hunch nintendo would set max IVs on the pokemon but not EVs. Even if they set 31 IVs, it would be unlikely for them to put EVs in bulk, as that's probably not what this thing is meant for. They wouldn't put 252 EVs in everything, either, that'd be cheating...
Wow, really hope that the fairy type can bring some balance to the typing chart. Super-effective against dragon is cool, but it'll really need to resist/ be immune to dragon type attacks to be really good against them (and ideally not weak to fire). Well, either way, I think that Fairies could be really beneficial to the meta.
Also, just pointing out that while there's that rumour that Fairy is Super-effective against Dark, it's most likely not true. We saw Gardevoir use Fairy Wind against Hydreigon; which means that if Fairy WAS super-effective against Dark, then it would've been an x4 effective attack. However, Fairy Wind didn't kill Hydreigon, and Gardevoir has 125 base Special Attack - I find it hard to believe that Hydreigon could live a quadruple effective STAB attack coming off 125 base SA. Of course, I suppose that Fairy Wind could just be a really weak, low base power move or something, but still - I think Fairy being SE against Dark is unlikely because of this.
Also, just pointing out that while there's that rumour that Fairy is Super-effective against Dark, it's most likely not true. We saw Gardevoir use Fairy Wind against Hydreigon; which means that if Fairy WAS super-effective against Dark, then it would've been an x4 effective attack. However, Fairy Wind didn't kill Hydreigon, and Gardevoir has 125 base Special Attack - I find it hard to believe that Hydreigon could live a quadruple effective STAB attack coming off 125 base SA. Of course, I suppose that Fairy Wind could just be a really weak, low base power move or something, but still - I think Fairy being SE against Dark is unlikely because of this.
Glaceon. Yes, I have seen MULTIPLE Frost Breath Glaceon.
a dragon/flying type is not going to be surviving a frost breath from a glaceon
srsly
Well.... Duh. That's why you have to be faster. To destroy the Glaceon.
OK for everyone that's complaining that "Fairy sounds girly", you do realize that pokemon is marketed towards girls too right? 7 year old girls even.
And if you're are worried that others will think you are "teh homo gay" 'cause you're playing a game that features fairies, guess what? You are playing a game aimed mostly at kids aged 7 to 10, they already think you're "the gay"
Anyways
Sorry to all the people that expect another streaming of pokemon news 'cause there won't be any, there will be a pokemon Q&A but only for reporters, so no more live info just be on the look out for reports.
And if you're are worried that others will think you are "teh homo gay" 'cause you're playing a game that features fairies, guess what? You are playing a game aimed mostly at kids aged 7 to 10, they already think you're "the gay"
Anyways
Sorry to all the people that expect another streaming of pokemon news 'cause there won't be any, there will be a pokemon Q&A but only for reporters, so no more live info just be on the look out for reports.
but you said:
[i did some calcs and the lowest possible special defence in order to even have a chance of tanking the hit of an unboosted +spa fully invested glaceon's frost breath is to fully invest and get a +spd nature and have the special defence to be around base 170]
edit whoops put 100 evs instead of 252 lol
OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T
[i did some calcs and the lowest possible special defence in order to even have a chance of tanking the hit of an unboosted +spa fully invested glaceon's frost breath is to fully invest and get a +spd nature and have the special defence to be around base 170]
edit whoops put 100 evs instead of 252 lol
Shhhhhiiiiiaaaaaatttttt..... Ok.... Ummm.... If it can't take a OU Salamence's Dragon Claw... It wouldn't live up to Salamence.
I totally agree, I estimated Fairy Wind BP and to deal 96 damage to Hydreigon it must be ~20-30BP if x4 and ~50-60BP if x2 which is most likely, in my opinion
Ok so altered a glaceon and a Salamence giving them the base stats of gardevoir and hydreigon respectively. They are both neutral natured, at level 50, have perfect IVs, and are untrained and are not holding any items whatsoever. The lowest base power move that I could use without fainting the mence was powdered snow. It gave the result of taking away 72 to roughly 84 percent HP. So, a fairy type STAB move on gardevoir would likely have to be really low powered to even let hydreigon survive the hit if it's 4 times effective. Of course, we don't know whether fairy will be supereffective against dark as well, or even what the base power of fairy wind will be. It;s just something to think about.
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