Pokémon XY General Discussion

[pharaohcalvin]

To be fair, Kingler is not a Hermit crab, so while he does indeed have a shell it most likely grows as a part of him(like real crabs), kind of like our bones. So smashing it would likely kill him.

All crabs shed their shells throughout their life, it is called molting. I see no reason why Kingler should not learn SS, but I see no reason that it should either.

Now as far as the new guy goes, meh it is just meh. I mean I don't hate it, but I don't care for it. I would have rather had Honedge just have been a only stage.

 

[Count Bleck]

All crabs shed their shells throughout their life, it is called molting. I see no reason why Kingler should not learn SS, but I see no reason that it should either.

Now as far as the new guy goes, meh it is just meh. I mean I don't hate it, but I don't care for it. I would have rather had Honedge just have been a only stage.

As far as Gamefreak is concerned, we are smashing the stereotypical shells, not exoskeletons.

 

[b2j135]

As far as Gamefreak is concerned, we are smashing the stereotypical shells, not exoskeletons.

Have you even seen Shell Smash in the anime?
just look!

Crustle uses it's own body and that is what is smashed, not the shell.
Video Game Logic...

 

[Mymom234]

The American Pokémon 3DS XL does not include X or Y and is released on September 27th.

I know, I meant an early release of the system itself. Didn't happen though.

 

[pharaohcalvin]

As far as Gamefreak is concerned, we are smashing the stereotypical shells, not exoskeletons.

"A Shell may refer to

• Seashell, a hard outer layer of a marine animal, found on beaches
• Exoskeleton, an external covering of some animals
  • Mollusc shell
  • Gastropod shell
  • Turtle shell
• Eggshell"-Wikipedia

You don't know what Gamefreak is concerned with, so don't act like you do. If a move is based around removing a shell, there is no reason Kingler should not be able to learn it. (Not that it has too) And before any "but it would die" posts come, technically Torkoal and every user of the move besides Crustle and its pre should die using it.

 

[Squishyfrog]

Eh, it was just my attempt at rationalizing it. You bring up very good points though. =)

Game Freak seems very choosy about who gets Shell Smash, which is probably for the best. I mean, if everything with an exoskeleton got it, that means Ninjask would get it. Speed Boost Shell Smash Ninjask with Baton Pass would be crazy lol.

More on-topic, I was originally kind of wishing that Doublade had kept Honedge's blue, until I saw this picture on deviantART, which made me realize that I really like it pink.

 

[Ausgirl]

It's incredibly likely they won't give any information on how the inner workings of the RNG at all. We never were meant to access it, and the fact people found it is pretty incredible and shows a lot about their programming/math skills. Will we figure out the Gen 6 RNG at some point? Probably. But don't expect any of the official organizations to just give that info out. What you should expect is that there will be some changes to breeding to make it easier.

You misunderstood what I said, I know GF will never give out any RNG details because they haven't in the past. I was just wondering what the new game mechanics for IVs etc will be like since the current information is scarce.

 

[Dietcoke101]

Anyone else gonna get the limited edition pokemon 3DS XL? I'm hopefully gonna get it tomorrow in blue.

 

[AstralFire]

Anyone else gonna get the limited edition pokemon 3DS XL? I'm hopefully gonna get it tomorrow in blue.

I have not seen a limited edition 3DSXL that looks good, IMO. I don't know why. I felt there were a number of good looking limited run designs for the Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, DS Lite, and 3DS. As it was, it took them way too long to release one-tone matte black for the XL, and I would have preferred matte white or yellow.

 

[Dreamox]

Maybe exeggcute needs shell smash...

 

[Stellar]

You have very much crossed the line into speculation. As always, stick to discussing released information.

 

[NoahStar]

Lilligant only gets Quiver Dance because it is (at least partly) based off of a dancer, which is why its level up movepool consists of only a few basic Grass-type moves and three "dance" moves.

So is Ralts, Kirlia, and Gardvoir, yet none of them get Quiver Dance :(

I really think Gardevoir should get Quiver Dance now that it has gained a Fairy Type. Gardevoir would really appreciate what I consider to be one of the best boostings moves in the game.

 

[AstralFire]

TBH, I feel like "multicategory boosting moves" have gone to a point where they're very boring and too common, and I don't want to see any more distributed to old pokemon. Especially the ones that carry no downside aside from sheer opportunity cost. For as boring as they are in the metagame, they're a billion times worse in the single player. I love Lilligant, but using her was so snoozeworthy.

Status. Quiver Dance. Quiver Dance. Petal Dance everything forever.

 

[Arkarian]

Just because it's called Butterly Dance in Japanese doesn't imply, at least imo, that a poke should have to be a butterfly to use it. They just have to be able to dance like a butterfly (same with non-Dragon types using Dragon Dance). Americans can learn Russian dances, right? At any rate, I'm sure they changed the English name for a reason.

 

[NoahStar]

Just because it's called Butterly Dance in Japanese doesn't imply, at least imo, that a poke should have to be a butterfly to use it. They just have to be able to dance like a butterfly (same with non-Dragon types using Dragon Dance). Americans can learn Russian dances, right? At any rate, I'm sure they changed the English name for a reason.

They most likely changed it because there are 8 moth-based Pokemon that can learn it, Lilligant, and then only 2 Butterfly Pokemon that learn the move....

 

[Wishy]

"A Shell may refer to

• Seashell, a hard outer layer of a marine animal, found on beaches
• Exoskeleton, an external covering of some animals
  • Mollusc shell
  • Gastropod shell
  • Turtle shell
• Eggshell"-Wikipedia

You don't know what Gamefreak is concerned with, so don't act like you do. If a move is based around removing a shell, there is no reason Kingler should not be able to learn it. (Not that it has too) And before any "but it would die" posts come, technically Torkoal and every user of the move besides Crustle and its pre should die using it.

Well if you look at who actually gets Shell Smash, it's pretty obvious what GameFreak defines as a 'shell' and thus why they distribute the move they way they do.

 

[inanimate blob]

If Blastoise doesnt get Shell Smash, Chespin's chances probably arent too great.

Well, the distribution of Shell Smash has never made much sense...why is Torkoal able to destroy it's shell? By the same logic, Blastoise, another turtle/tortoise, should be able to too. Additionally, you have Pokemon like Crustle who don't really have much of a shell to smash (seriously, does it just break through concrete?) and Cloyster, who's Pokedex entry says that it's shell is indestructible. So, Chespin's final evolution is still fair game, as is most Pokemon's until X and Y come out and we can actually see.

 

[Korlashh]

Well, the distribution of Shell Smash has never made much sense...why is Torkoal able to destroy it's shell? By the same logic, Blastoise, another turtle/tortoise, should be able to too. Additionally, you have Pokemon like Crustle who don't really have much of a shell to smash (seriously, does it just break through concrete?) and Cloyster, who's Pokedex entry says that it's shell is indestructible. So, Chespin's final evolution is still fair game, as is most Pokemon's until X and Y come out and we can actually see.

Shell Smash in general never made sense to me. I understand the better mobility, but not the extra power from being naked.

As for Blastoise, I think it should have shell smash too, but what happens to it's hydro-pumping cannons? Do they stay or go?

Another contender for Shell shash would be Lapras IMO

 

[Tytus]

Also Shelgon, Pupitar... wait nvm.

 

[Stellar]

Guys, I literally just posted telling you to stop speculating regarding potential movepool changes. :/

 

[Lord Jesseus]

At any rate, I'm sure they changed the English name for a reason.

Yes. The reason is that "Butterfly Dance" exceeds the move name character limit.
edit: Or rather exceeded, they have longer names in XY iirc.

 

[Chaoswalker]

So how about that Clefairy? If things Hiro says are basically fact, does that mean Clefable might have some decent competitive value? It already is pretty interesting as it is, with mediocre stats but interesting move pool and ability.
Magic Guard
Wish
Heal Bell
Stealth Rock
Soft Boiled
Calm Mind
And now maybe draining kiss?
I think we might be seeing more of this little pinky. Thoughts?

 

[TSchmelz1994]

So how about that Clefairy? If things Hiro says are basically fact, does that mean Clefable might have some decent competitive value? It already is pretty interesting as it is, with mediocre stats but interesting move pool and ability.
Magic Guard
Wish
Heal Bell
Stealth Rock
Soft Boiled
Calm Mind
And now maybe draining kiss?
I think we might be seeing more of this little pinky. Thoughts?

And cosmic power/stored power. Manage to boost it up enough, you can fire off a ton of high power attacks.

 

[inanimate blob]

Guys, I literally just posted telling you to stop speculating regarding potential movepool changes. :/

You're right, but there's a difference between posting why something should get a move and diagnosing the various moveset implementations that Game Freak has bestowed on Pokemon. :/ You don't have to shut it down, I actually think it was kinda helpful in discussing the flavor portion of the distribution of Shell Smash.

 

[Stellar]

You're right, but there's a difference between posting why something should get a move and diagnosing the various moveset implementations that Game Freak has bestowed on Pokemon. :/ You don't have to shut it down, I actually think it was kinda helpful in discussing the flavor portion of the distribution of Shell Smash.

The purpose of this thread is discussing confirmed gameplay aspects of XY. What you are proposing does not fit under that umbrella. If we had received confirmation that a Kalos Pokémon received Shell Smash and it contradicted a past trend of Shell Smash distribution, that might be a different story. As it is, the discussion is completely detached from XY.

Think of it as going into a thread about the top 10 Pokémon in OU and discussing the viability of Quagsire in Ubers.

That isn't to say it's a bad discussion topic (you might make it into its own thread in this forum or somewhere more fitting), it just isn't a discussion that belongs in this thread. Please don't take any of my "mod posts" personally, I'm just enforcing the rules as they are laid out.