Very pleased with the results. Now, we need to tackle the other pink elephants in the room (blue Gatr or golden pigeon)....
Can we suspect that big YellowTurkey nowVery pleased with the results. Now, we need to tackle the other pink elephants in the room (blue Gatr or golden pigeon)....
UU is nowhere near balanced, hello? Mega Pidgeot and Feraligatr are on the scoop right now and, to be honest, I think we should have suspected them before Victini, as to introduce new threats to a tier we must have a balanced one first in my opinion.NOOOO My kawaii cannot V Create the UU butts now!! So, guys, what shall we retest/suspect next? It seems like everything in BL is too stronk and UU is so balanced Uggh lol
that would more than likely prove pointless as the rising popularity of weavile in ou will end up in us losing weavile soon anyway :[I think weavile could be an interesting addition to the meta. Its has good sweeping and trapping ability with SD and Pursuit, Knock Off and Priority with Ice Shard. Its a huge offensive threat but I think that it can be dealt with easily due to its frailness, other priority beats it, and the fact it is worn down easily by hazards and LO. It would be a another weapon and threat to offense since it can check things like Pidge, which offense hates, and sweep other offense teams. Its not as strong as the other BL mons but its speed and coverage make up for it very well. Its def a test worth having.
Fair enough, I wasn't here when it was banned so I don't know the extent of it's power, just seemed to be least the least overwhelming behind Victini with its lackluster speed and bulk.Nononono, I really can't see crawdaunt coming back. It's significantly stronger than gatr (sd life orb 1hkos Suicune and Umbreon after rocks) and basically forces stall to run chestnaught to stand any chance whatsoever. Nothing offensively can switch in of course as even Hydeigon who resists STABs doesn't want its item knocked off, and adaptability aqua jet finishes off a lot of the things that can take a hit. There's also a variety of sets to contend with like sd, dd and choice band all of which are pretty viable in different ways.
It's a nuke that almost invalidates stall while doing well against offense with really strong priority- it's borked af.
I mean, it would only make sense for people to come in with the ban mentality since it's already been banned and re-banned from UU twice now.would've been nice if people didn't go into this suspect test with a stoic ban mentality. I'm pretty sure if people had kept an open mind about it, victini would have been voted UU.
not saying everyone who voted BL can't think for themselves but I'm certain a significant percentage of them voted based on preconceived notions rather than actually forming an opinion via the test.
unfort.
With that logic, Victini should've been UU. Too many people were theory-monning saying that Victini could beat all its counters. Well yeah, in theory. LO mixed gets defeated by things like Aero, whereas CB gets shat upon by things like Swampert. I didn't even bother to ladder because everyone came in with the mentality that in theory it was broken, so they just assumed that every time they lost against someone who used Victini, they deemed Victini broken.Attitudes are transitive. Some people will change, some people won't. And besides, what suspect tests should do in theory doesn't necessarily mean it will happen in practice.
Just want to point out Victini was rocking plenty of usage.The thing was, especially given the lack of victini used in the suspect, there was always going to be elements of theorymon needed, given the lack of practical experience facing it.
Odd, because I faced maybe 6 or 7 Victini total, and most of them were Scarf (lol). As I said before, UU could stand to have suspect tours. If NU gets to have them I'm sure we could.Just want to point out Victini was rocking plenty of usage.
2 | Victini | 22.64272% 1760s (the important one imo)
3 | Victini | 17.34922% 1630s
I went into this suspect test with the preconceived notion that Victini was broken based on past metagame experiences. When the idea of the suspect came up I didn't think enough had changed to make any difference. My experience in the suspect test only solidified how I viewed Victini in this metagame. The argument that the suspect test was biased can't really be proven. What we do know for sure is that every single voter experienced the metagame Victini's presence created and based on the usage stats they had very likely played against Victini enough times to form an opinion on its effectiveness in that metagame.
just some nitpicks but 100 is far from being average, maybe for an offensive 'mon it might be considered average."... sits at an average Speed tier, is easily revenge-killed..."
sad thing is lax isn't even a counter because of basedhaxgod. I remember I had one team that lost to pidget as soon as I lost snorlax. rip me.What's done is done. Victini remains banned, which is healthy for the metagame IMO. Let's move on to the next thing which I believe should be suspected long before Victini:
SUSPECT ME PLS
This thing is an absolute monster, with insane speed of 121, outspeeding the majority of the tier while having a great Special Attack of 135, and having a decent bulk of 83/80/80 and shooting never-missing 110 Base Power STAB Hurricanes which 2HKOs anything that isn't Specially Defensive/ Resists it. Furthermore, it has a great coverage move in Heat Wave, hitting Steel types which resists Hurricane, dealing massive damage to it. Also, it has access to U-Turn, which gives it momentum to switch to something that can beat its checks. It also has Roost, meaning it cannot be worn down since it has reliable recovery. It has a dangerous set-up move in Work Up, as well as a cleric move in Refresh. This pokemon can threaten every playstyle in the tier depending on its sets. It tears through offense as it outspeeds any non-scarfs and OHKOing almost the entire team. This is why Offense retorts to running LO Lead Azelf with Thunderbolt to beat lead Pidgeots. The most annoying thing about Mega Pidgeot is that it can spam this 110 based STAB Hurricanes with no drawbacks, giving a 30% chance to confuse, meaning it can beat its checks by confuse haxing. Yeah, it obviously relies on luck, but if you confuse a Florges on the switch, you're definitely staying in because 1 confuse = Florges dead. Also, the Work Up set allows it to beat it's usual checks, notably Curse Lax, who'd rest and you can Work Up on them and beat them with a bit of luck. Work Up Refresh set completely 6-0s stall teams unless they have something that can kill it back, which stall tends to have problems finding one. Here's a demonstration: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/uu-233653621 . Also, it restricts teambuilding a lot, making Empoleon, Snorlax really common and not building one with them makes you prone to it. So these are the main reasons to suspect this Broken Bird.
tl;dr The ability to abuse a base 110 STAB move with 30% confuse rate backed up by 135 SpA with 121 Speed and having great movepool while restricting teambuilding gives it more than enough reasons to suspect it.