Greatest Hits Mafia - Night 5

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Hello guys, I am here. I am changing my lynch target.

Lynch CranNebhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowlla

Anyway, I am Babidi from Dragon Ball Z and I am a redirector. I talked to CrabNebula, and he started using fallacious logic on me. We were discussing how I thought Jedil and Thunda was mafia and he started going on and on about how it's improbable due to the amount of villagers being more than the mafia. However, combining both mafias generally give you just a slightly lower amount of mafia.

Either way, he started using bullshit like 'Oh, so according to your logic....' and etc. I am just trying to help the village and he is antagonizing me for no reason over dead people. Why can't I think they are mafia?

Thunda claimed Principal Skinner yet thunda died to be Cell Jr., and he said he would join <snip> since it was most likely to win, yes that could be anything, but the fact that he claimed Prinicpal Skinner and he claimed to be a role name discoverer. Neither of those panned out, by claiming a role name discover he could keep the info all to himself, hence he is likely mafia.

Anyway, I forgot to tell him this part of the conversation I had, and this was his reply:

[16:43:18] <CN> sorry but it was not me who talked to him
[16:43:20] <CN> so I cant verify

He said this more than just once.

Why is he being so stubborn and not even acknowledging everything I have said?

If anyone else wants to talk to him or has a better choice of lynching a target, then feel free to do so. I asked for his win condition and it was different than mine when another user had the same exact one as mine, oh but he wouldn't even give me the full one, so I asked for the 6th one and he kept redirecting me to the post where Gmax states that 'there are inconsistencies on purpose' post.

[16:48:12] <CN> [02:16:59] <Serenity> he told me the part thats snipped
[16:48:14] <CN> here
[16:48:15] <CN> this
[16:48:16] <Serenity> yes?
[16:48:17] <Serenity> what about it
[16:48:25] <CN> what exactly did he say?
[16:48:29] <CN> because he told me too
[16:48:31] <Serenity> I am not gonna tell someone i think is mafia
[16:48:36] <Serenity> s m
[16:48:43] <Serenity> if you know what he said
[16:48:48] <Serenity> you shoudl know what that means
[16:48:53] <CN> hahahaah
[16:49:00] <Serenity> what
[16:49:06] <CN> you ahve to be kidding me
[16:49:10] <Serenity> What?
[16:49:18] <CN> you found an easy way out again
[16:49:23] <Serenity> lol cn
[16:49:28] <Serenity> you obviously have no idea what i am talking about
[16:49:29] <Serenity> that is why
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The fact that CN has no idea what I am talking about is another sign that he is lying.

I redirected Stoo to Shigen last night and he is posting weird jokes at the top so he might be one of the post restricters in this game (a lot of people are claiming these).
 
Aprove que o argumento me convenceu consideravelmente muito Serenity, mas I' o ll prende fora meu voto para agora e espera CN' argumento de s.

Pela maneira, porque você pensou Jedil era máfia, disse basicamente em seu borne que da morte era inocente.

É o uso excessivo do " ooo" uma limitação da afixação demasiado? Parece haver muito aqueles… (Eu que fala no português é uma limitação igualmente)
 
I know Serenity has a way of twisting words but heres what happened,

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[01:19:14] <Serenity> hi cn
[01:19:16] <Serenity> are you village in gh
[01:19:23] <Serenity> i think i know how we can win
[01:20:27] <Serenity> CN
[01:21:07] <CN> sorry
[01:21:08] <CN> yes
[01:21:17] <Serenity> do you mind posting your win condition
[01:21:21] <Serenity> i realized something
[01:21:27] <Serenity> that could stop peoples fake claims
[01:21:31] <Serenity> jedil and thunda
[01:21:37] <Serenity> both posted bogus win conditions
[01:21:47] <Serenity> and both of their pms make them seem like they are both mafia
[01:21:47] <CN> one sec
[01:21:56] <CN> you need to see something
[01:22:08] <Serenity> ok
[01:22:09] <CN> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2088185&postcount=7
[01:22:13] <CN> wont help
[01:22:19] <Serenity> doesnt matter
[01:22:26] <Serenity> I know what inconsistencies they mean
Note that it was Mekkah's post and not gmax's. She doesn't go on to say what the inconsistencies are (which if anybody likes, I have the whole log to show).

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[01:45:04] <CN> btw read gmax's opening post
[01:45:18] <Serenity> whata bouti t
[01:45:36] <CN> it indicates there are more than two factions
[01:45:45] <CN> I thought it was mekkah but no
[01:50:32] <CN> also your theory of thunda and jedil being mafia and major flaws
[01:50:37] <CN> have you noticed what they are?
[01:50:48] <Serenity> wha?
[01:51:06] <CN> if they were mafia, then jimbo was the only villager killed
[01:51:13] <CN> which means
[01:51:15] <Serenity> yes?
[01:51:21] <CN> there were more village kills
[01:51:23] <CN> than mafi akills
[01:51:24] <CN> how
[01:51:25] <CN> odd
This is why I think both couldn't be mafia, because if they were, then Jimbo would be mafia too as all three of them were looking for someone specific. And three mafia deaths in 1 night? Ehhhh?

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[02:12:23] <Serenity> with the user who had thunda
[02:12:24] <Serenity> shut up
[02:12:25] <Serenity> i dont care
[02:12:29] <Serenity> he claimed principal skinner
[02:12:29] <CN> eh?
[02:12:30] <Serenity> right?
[02:12:33] <Serenity> he wasnt
[02:12:34] <Serenity> then
[02:12:37] <Serenity> he claimed a role name discoverer
[02:12:39] <Serenity> which he: wasnt
[02:12:43] <CN> sorry but it was not me who talked to him
[02:12:46] <CN> so I cant verify
I tried to tell her twice, that it was not me who had talked to thunda but her. So I couldn't verify what she was telling about thunda was true, that he had claimed Principal Skinner to her. But of course, such a simple thing she does not comprehend.

Serenity said:
If anyone else wants to talk to him or has a better choice of lynching a target, then feel free to do so. I asked for his win condition and it was different than mine when another user had the same exact one as mine, oh but he wouldn't even give me the full one, so I asked for the 6th one and he kept redirecting me to the post where Gmax states that 'there are inconsistencies on purpose' post.
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Heres what happened:

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[01:28:02] <Serenity> ok
[01:28:05] <Serenity> what is your 6th word
[01:28:07] <Serenity> on your win condition
[01:29:14] <CN> I would tell you but
[01:29:20] <CN> I have no proof that you are vilage
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[01:35:41] <CN> ok
[01:36:13] <CN> fine
[01:36:16] <CN> its "xxxxxxx"
[01:36:50] <CN> now tell me whats yours
[01:36:56] <Serenity> not xxxxxxx
She didn't part with hers and didn't say who the the other users who had the same one as hers were either. And then telling me if she said it, it would help the mafia. All in all, giving me no way of verifying her claims. And she accuses me of being stubborn and not ackowledging whatever she says? Whihc prompted me to say

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[02:18:48] <CN> hahahaah
[02:18:56] <Serenity> what
[02:19:01] <CN> you ahve to be kidding me
[02:19:05] <Serenity> What?
[02:19:13] <CN> you found an easy way out again
Shrewd as ever...
 
ok heres the whole log for everyone's benefit

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Session Start: Fri Jul 24 01:19:14 2009
Session Ident: Serenity
[01:19:14] Session Ident: Serenity (~Serenity@your.beauty.is.beyond.compare.flaming.locks.of.auburn.hair)
[01:19:14] <Serenity> hi cn
[01:19:16] <Serenity> are you village in gh
[01:19:23] <Serenity> i think i know how we can win
[01:20:27] <Serenity> CN
[01:21:07] <CN> sorry
[01:21:08] <CN> yes
[01:21:17] <Serenity> do you mind posting your win condition
[01:21:21] <Serenity> i realized something
[01:21:27] <Serenity> that could stop peoples fake claims
[01:21:31] <Serenity> jedil and thunda
[01:21:37] <Serenity> both posted bogus win conditions
[01:21:47] <Serenity> and both of their pms make them seem like they are both mafia
[01:21:47] <CN> one sec
[01:21:56] <CN> you need to see something
[01:22:08] <Serenity> ok
[01:22:09] <CN> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2088185&postcount=7
[01:22:13] <CN> wont help
[01:22:19] <Serenity> doesnt matter
[01:22:26] <Serenity> I know what inconsistencies they mean
[01:22:44] <CN> oh?
[01:23:45] <CN> why do you think jedil was mafia?
[01:23:55] <Serenity> his role pm
[01:24:02] <Serenity> he seemed to be forced to work with a mafia
[01:24:10] <CN> he told me
[01:24:17] <CN> that he won with village
[01:24:26] <CN> or if ike returned to him
[01:24:33] <CN> that is why it was a huge nip
[01:24:48] <CN> same for thunda
[01:24:50] <CN> I think
[01:24:53] <Serenity> same for thunda what?
[01:25:00] <CN> madame maxime
[01:25:03] <CN> didn't you see?
[01:25:23] <Serenity> what are we talking about now
[01:25:25] <Serenity> i cannot follow
[01:25:37] <CN> that jedil had dual win condition
[01:25:45] <CN> same as thunda
[01:25:48] <Serenity> i thought we were talking about thunda
[01:25:50] <CN> and both were villagers
[01:25:52] <Serenity> since he claimed something different
[01:25:56] <Serenity> with a different win condition
[01:25:57] <CN> he did?
[01:25:59] <CN> I dont know
[01:25:59] <Serenity> and he ended up as cell jr
[01:26:03] <CN> I didnt talk to him
[01:26:34] <CN> ok this is confusing then
[01:26:37] <Serenity> yep
[01:26:42] <Serenity> much like stoo's failure to talk to 
[01:26:45] <Serenity> two of us
[01:26:47] <Serenity> while he is active
[01:27:24] <Serenity> i imagine this game is probably 12 vil 8 mafia
[01:27:25] <Serenity> no neutrals
[01:27:37] <CN> hmm
[01:27:45] <CN> I remember mekkah's post somewhere
[01:27:52] <CN> saying there were more than 2 factions
[01:27:56] <CN> need to search for it
[01:28:02] <Serenity> ok
[01:28:05] <Serenity> what is your 6th word
[01:28:07] <Serenity> on your win condition
[01:29:14] <CN> I would tell you but
[01:29:20] <CN> I have no proof that you are vilage
[01:29:21] <Serenity> why cant you tell me
[01:29:23] <Serenity> heh
[01:29:24] <Serenity> im sure
[01:29:33] <Serenity> both jedil and thunda 
[01:29:33] <CN> and that you wont use it to your advantage
[01:29:39] <Serenity> couldnt provide proper win conditions
[01:29:43] <Serenity> yet others ive spoken to
[01:29:45] <Serenity> have had the sameo ne
[01:30:01] <CN> ^ ?
[01:30:08] <CN> same on oic
[01:30:10] <CN> one
[01:30:17] <Serenity> oh
[01:30:22] <Serenity> have both appeared to be mafia
[01:31:11] <CN> hmm
[01:31:19] <CN> I am not sure whether I can take the chance
[01:31:32] <Serenity> i amnot asking for the whole thing
[01:31:36] <Serenity> i am asking for the 6th word
[01:32:03] <CN> yeah I know
[01:32:07] <Serenity> how is that taking the chance
[01:32:08] <CN> but if it were someone else
[01:32:10] <Serenity> a*
[01:32:13] <CN> it woudn't matter
[01:32:17] <Serenity> why wouldnt it
[01:32:17] <CN> you are intelligent
[01:32:23] <Serenity> that is dumb
[01:32:26] <Serenity> stop making excuses up
[01:32:34] <CN> no, put yourself in my shoes
[01:32:37] <Serenity> At this rate you are the most suspicious
[01:32:40] <Serenity> i would give my 6th wor
[01:32:46] <Serenity> I wouldnt give a full one
[01:32:47] <Serenity> obviously
[01:32:50] <Serenity> that would be idiotic
[01:32:57] <Serenity> that would give mafia a f
[01:33:03] <Serenity> a proper* win condition to cheat with
[01:33:10] <CN> idiotic is what?
[01:35:26] <Serenity> You asked what i would do in your shoes
[01:35:30] <Serenity> i said I would be ok with the 6th word
[01:35:34] <Serenity> but giving away the full thing would be idiotic
[01:35:41] <CN> ok
[01:36:13] <CN> fine
[01:36:16] <CN> its "win"
[01:36:50] <CN> now tell me whats yours
[01:36:56] <Serenity> not win
[01:37:00] <CN> good
[01:37:12] <Serenity> ?
[01:37:17] <CN> you just proved
[01:37:26] <CN> [01:22:09] <CN> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2088185&postcount=7
[01:37:31] <Serenity> or 
[01:37:33] <Serenity> you arent village
[01:37:48] <CN> or how about you are mafia?
[01:37:49] <CN> eh
[01:45:04] <CN> btw read gmax's opening post
[01:45:18] <Serenity> whata bouti t
[01:45:36] <CN> it indicates there are more than two factions
[01:45:45] <CN> I thought it was mekkah but no
[01:50:32] <CN> also your theory of thunda and jedil being mafia and major flaws
[01:50:37] <CN> have you noticed what they are?
[01:50:48] <Serenity> wha?
[01:51:06] <CN> if they were mafia, then jimbo was the only villager killed
[01:51:13] <CN> which means
[01:51:15] <Serenity> yes?
[01:51:21] <CN> there were more village kills
[01:51:23] <CN> than mafi akills
[01:51:24] <CN> how
[01:51:25] <CN> odd
[01:51:29] <Serenity> er
[01:51:32] <Serenity> happened in jimbo mafia
[01:51:34] <Serenity> night 1
[01:51:46] <CN> I am sorry but this is my first mafia
[01:51:49] <CN> so I have no idea
[01:51:51] <Serenity> that happens when you kill big names
[01:52:10] <CN> 2nd no vigilante in his right mind would kill on n1
[01:52:18] <Serenity> not a vigilante
[01:52:19] <CN> the chance of getting a village is higher than mafia
[01:52:20] <Serenity> obviously
[01:52:30] <CN> so mafia would kill one of them?
[01:52:35] <Serenity> mafia / wolf
[01:52:41] <Serenity> and then could be a one time kill role
[01:52:46] <Serenity> or some twisted mafia role 
[01:52:51] <CN> [01:27:24] <Serenity> i imagine this game is probably 12 vil 8 mafia
[01:52:59] <Serenity> well true
[01:53:06] <Serenity> however, I dont know the exact things
[01:53:10] <Serenity> exact amounts*
[01:53:16] <Serenity> I was simply speculating as I am now
[01:53:30] <CN> I doubt this
[01:53:41] <Serenity> Doubt what?
[01:53:42] <CN> its more like that one or both of them were villagers
[01:53:46] <CN> doubt your theory
[01:53:50] <Serenity> So you say
[01:53:52] <Serenity> 3 villagers all died
[01:53:53] <Serenity> night 1
[01:54:03] <CN> most likely yes
[01:54:05] <Serenity> The chances of that happening is probably lower than one of them being mafia!
[01:54:17] <Serenity> And based on the role pms
[01:54:18] <CN> do you know probablitity?
[01:54:20] <Serenity> i doubt it too
[01:54:29] <Serenity> I am pretty sure based on Jimbos role
[01:54:35] <Serenity> That he was villager
[01:54:41] <CN> how?
[01:54:49] <Serenity> Because it obviously isnt a mafia role
[01:54:53] <CN> oh god
[01:54:57] <Serenity> Why would a mafia role be searching or someone
[01:54:59] <Serenity> how idiotic
[01:55:06] <CN> did you notice
[01:55:07] <Serenity> Obviously it would be a martyr/hooker/kidnapper/inspector/killer/etc
[01:55:09] <CN> that all three of them
[01:55:14] <CN> were looking for someone?
[01:55:21] <CN> can all three be mafia?
[01:55:32] <Serenity> thunda wasnt
[01:55:35] <Serenity> are you blind
[01:55:44] <CN> you implied thunda was
[01:55:48] <Serenity> no id idnt
[01:55:50] <Serenity> you did
[01:56:09] <Serenity> and I think jedil was 'co operating
[01:56:10] <CN> [01:29:33] <Serenity> both jedil and thunda 
[01:56:10] <Serenity> based on
[01:56:11] <CN> [01:29:39] <Serenity> couldnt provide proper win conditions
[01:56:21] <Serenity> yes
[01:56:22] <Serenity> win conditions
[01:56:26] <Serenity> what about that?
[01:56:32] <CN> you implied both were mafia
[01:56:34] <Serenity> I am tlaking about their role power
[01:56:35] <Serenity> I did
[01:56:37] <CN> because they failed to provide 
[01:56:40] <CN> win conditions
[01:56:42] <Serenity> Yes and?
[01:56:48] <Serenity> yes
[01:56:49] <Serenity> i said that
[01:56:50] <CN> now you say thunda wasn't mafia
[01:56:51] <Serenity> and i still stand by that
[01:56:53] <Serenity> no
[01:56:55] <CN> pick one
[01:56:55] <Serenity> i still say he IS mafia
[01:56:57] <Serenity> you are saying he ISNT
[01:56:57] <Serenity> dumb
[01:57:03] <Serenity> You said he was searchign for someone
[01:57:06] <Serenity> nothing in his pm
[01:57:09] <Serenity> says he is searching for anyone
[01:57:16] <CN> yes
[01:57:21] <CN> so?
[01:57:24] <Serenity> YOU SAID HE WAS
[01:57:25] <Serenity> DUMBASS
[01:57:26] <Serenity> god
[01:57:28] <Serenity> You are pissing me off
[01:57:40] <CN> see here
[01:57:43] <Serenity> [16:25:11] <CN> did you notice
[01:57:43] <Serenity> [16:25:12] <Serenity> Obviously it would be a martyr/hooker/kidnapper/inspector/killer/etc
[01:57:43] <Serenity> [16:25:14] <CN> that all three of them
[01:57:43] <Serenity> [16:25:19] <CN> were looking for someone?
[01:57:51] <CN> okay
[01:57:51] <Serenity> Then I explained 'no thunda wasnt'
[01:57:52] <Serenity> then you go
[01:57:55] <Serenity> 'thunad isnt mafia then????'
[01:57:58] <CN> one sec
[01:57:58] <Serenity> 'no I still say he is'
[01:58:03] <Serenity> You were the one saying al that
[01:58:06] <Serenity> god
[01:58:24] <CN> You're small, you're sneaky, you're annoying, you're powerful, overall, despite not being quite as mighty as Cell, you are still quite fearsome. You have been separated from Cell, and you were attempting to find him when this war broke out. <snip> seemed like the most likely candidates to win, so you have decided to assist them.
[01:58:26] <CN> read it
[01:58:37] <Serenity> so?
[01:58:41] <CN> are you blind?
[01:58:43] <Serenity> it says he searched
[01:58:46] <Serenity> it doesnt say
[01:58:46] <Serenity> searching
[01:58:48] <Serenity> like the other two
[01:58:51] <Serenity> there is a definitive difference
[01:58:55] <Serenity> then he couldnt find cell
[01:58:58] <Serenity> so he joined a <snip>
[01:59:01] <CN> difference between find and searching?
[01:59:04] <CN> are you serious?
[01:59:05] <Serenity> no
[01:59:07] <Serenity> past tense
[01:59:09] <Serenity> and present tense
[01:59:20] <CN> attempting to
[01:59:26] <CN> not exactly past tense
[01:59:40] <Serenity> means he isnt anymore
[01:59:47] <CN> not exactly past tense
[01:59:47] <Serenity> either way
[01:59:48] <Serenity> it doesnt matter if they are mafia or not
[01:59:48] <Serenity> they are all dead
[01:59:50] <Serenity> I still say thunda was mafia
[01:59:50] <Serenity> jedil was mafia
[01:59:55] <Serenity> and jimbo was villager
[02:00:07] <CN> okay
[02:00:19] <CN> so we should assume
[02:00:27] <CN> that everyone in this game is trying to find someone
[02:00:28] <Serenity> We shouldnt assume anything
[02:00:31] <CN> by your logic
[02:00:31] <Serenity> I am not searching
[02:00:32] <Serenity> for anyone
[02:00:33] <Serenity> no
[02:00:35] <Serenity> ok cn
[02:00:40] <Serenity> im done talking to you ^_^
[02:00:43] <CN> heh
[02:00:48] <CN> always the easy way out
[02:00:59] <Serenity> nope
[02:01:05] <CN> one sec
[02:01:11] <CN> [01:36:50] <CN> now tell me whats yours
[02:01:11] <CN> [01:36:56] <Serenity> not win
[02:01:15] <CN> and
[02:01:21] <CN> [01:32:37] <Serenity> At this rate you are the most suspicious
[02:01:21] <CN> [01:32:40] <Serenity> i would give my 6th wor
[02:01:30] <CN> always the easy way out as I said
[02:01:41] <Serenity> how was that ane asy way out
[02:01:44] <Serenity> it wasnt win
[02:01:50] <CN> you never told me whats your 6th word
[02:01:51] <Serenity> I told you that
[02:01:54] <CN> after saying you would give it
[02:01:56] <Serenity> im not gonna tell you if i suspect you to be mafia
[02:01:58] <Serenity> i never said i would
[02:02:01] <Serenity> you asked me what i would
[02:02:02] <Serenity> do
[02:02:05] <Serenity> i said i woudl give it in your shoes
[02:02:08] <CN> twist my words
[02:02:10] <Serenity> nope
[02:02:11] <Serenity> you asked me
[02:02:13] <Serenity> what i would do in your shoes
[02:02:14] <Serenity> directly
[02:02:17] <Serenity> i can get the log
[02:02:18] <Serenity> if you want
[02:02:27] <CN> I just showed it
[02:02:34] <CN> you can check if it is correct
[02:02:41] <CN> it is
[02:03:07] <Serenity> [16:02] <CN> no, put yourself in my shoes
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:02] <Serenity> At this rate you are the most suspicious
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:02] <Serenity> i would give my 6th wor
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:02] <Serenity> I wouldnt give a full one
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:02] <Serenity> obviously
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:02] <Serenity> that would be idiotic
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:03] <Serenity> that would give mafia a f
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:03] <Serenity> a proper* win condition to cheat with
[02:03:07] <Serenity> [16:03] <CN> idiotic is what?
[02:03:07] <Serenity> 05[16:05] <Serenity> You asked what i would do in your shoes
[02:03:08] <Serenity> 05[16:05] <Serenity> i said I would be ok with the 6th word
[02:03:09] <Serenity> 05[16:05] <Serenity> but giving away the full thing would be idiotic
[02:03:12] <Serenity> I did put myself in your shoes
[02:03:14] <Serenity> I explained what I would do
[02:03:51] <CN> [01:32:37] <Serenity> At this rate you are the most suspicious
[02:03:56] <CN> isn't putting in my shoes
[02:04:05] <Serenity> you realize
[02:04:07] <Serenity> I just said that
[02:04:10] <Serenity> like 4 minutes ago
[02:04:11] <Serenity> not 20 minutes ago
[02:04:14] <Serenity> when we were being hypothetical
[02:04:20] <Serenity> Yeah, that doesnt work like that.
[02:04:25] <CN> you said it 20 minutes ago
[02:04:39] <CN> half an hour ago more like
[02:04:41] <Serenity> o
[02:04:42] <Serenity> i did
[02:04:45] <Serenity> I still stand by it
[02:04:50] <Serenity> and i still stand by how i think you are being suspiciosu
[02:04:55] <CN> so what followed
[02:04:59] <CN> wasn't putting in my shoes
[02:05:03] <Serenity> no
[02:05:05] <Serenity> it was
[02:05:08] <Serenity> but that was going back to how i felt
[02:05:09] <Serenity> about you
[02:05:17] <CN> clearly it wasn't
[02:05:19] <Serenity> not about how i thought myself was suspicious since that would be dumb
[02:05:21] <Serenity> oh yeah cn
[02:05:25] <Serenity> i think i am suspicious
[02:05:28] <Serenity> from your view point
[02:05:32] <Serenity> that definitely makes sense
[02:05:39] <CN> now you are confusing me
[02:05:40] <CN> good job
[02:05:42] <Serenity> I would clearly want to point that out
[02:05:50] <Serenity> no
[02:05:52] <Serenity> You are just being dumb lol
[02:05:54] <Serenity> there is a difference
[02:06:27] <CN> one last thing
[02:06:41] <CN> if I were mafia, I would know if you are in my group or not
[02:06:46] <CN> so I would not need your 6th word
[02:06:53] <CN> to ascertain whether you are village or not
[02:07:10] <CN> you would be a threat whatever happens
[02:09:08] <Serenity> so?
[02:09:14] <Serenity> That doesnt make any sense
[02:09:18] <Serenity> obviously you would know
[02:09:25] <Serenity> but if we are on different factions
[02:09:27] <Serenity> i.e. villager and you on mafia
[02:09:30] <Serenity> you wouldnt know my win condition
[02:09:38] <Serenity> thats why i asked
[02:10:06] <CN> would I need your win condition?
[02:10:10] <CN> that is the question
[02:10:13] <CN> if I were mafia
[02:10:41] <CN> I wouldn't because you are a threat, either village or other mafia/s
[02:10:49] <CN> so I wouldn't ask your 6th word in return
[02:10:55] <CN> but I did
[02:10:59] <CN> and you did not give it
[02:11:09] <Serenity> No
[02:11:16] <Serenity> wait
[02:11:16] <Serenity> why?
[02:11:22] <CN> what why?
[02:11:25] <Serenity> Because you could then tell your team mates so they could false claim with it
[02:11:26] <Serenity> obviously
[02:11:37] <Serenity> If the mafia had the win condition they could easily use it to false claim
[02:11:44] <Serenity> and mole into the village
[02:12:16] <Serenity> Anyway
[02:12:20] <CN> I need to point out
[02:12:20] <Serenity> I looked through my log
[02:12:20] <CN> [01:22:09] <CN> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2088185&postcount=7
[02:12:22] <CN> again
[02:12:23] <Serenity> with the user who had thunda
[02:12:24] <Serenity> shut up
[02:12:25] <Serenity> i dont care
[02:12:29] <Serenity> he claimed principal skinner
[02:12:29] <CN> eh?
[02:12:30] <Serenity> right?
[02:12:33] <Serenity> he wasnt
[02:12:34] <Serenity> then
[02:12:37] <Serenity> he claimed a role name discoverer
[02:12:39] <Serenity> which he: wasnt
[02:12:43] <CN> sorry but it was not me who talked to him
[02:12:46] <CN> so I cant verify
[02:12:47] <Serenity> do you know why this makes him more of am afia?
[02:12:53] <Serenity> since that could give him the trust he needed
[02:12:57] <Serenity> without giving the power away
[02:13:13] <CN> sorry but it was not me who talked to him
[02:13:13] <Serenity> Hence he could keep the information to himself and his possible team mates
[02:13:15] <CN> so I cant verify
[02:15:04] <CN> btw
[02:15:08] <CN> did you talk to jedil?
[02:15:21] <CN> this is the only way I can verify
[02:15:33] <Serenity> verify what
[02:15:39] <CN> that you are telling the truth
[02:15:41] <Serenity> I tlaked to jedil yes under the impression he was villager
[02:15:47] <CN> what did he say
[02:15:48] <Serenity> based on seeing his role pm
[02:16:00] <Serenity> I do not think he is villager
[02:16:07] <Serenity> I was the one
[02:16:07] <Serenity> who told him
[02:16:08] <Serenity> to be the voice of the village
[02:16:20] <Serenity> I know the <snip>ed part
[02:16:20] <Serenity> in the sentence
[02:16:25] <Serenity> which is why I am furthermore convinced he is mafia
[02:16:39] <Serenity> (the first snip where it is followed up by you decided to cooperate>
[02:16:39] <CN> here let me ask again
[02:16:43] <CN> what did he say
[02:16:52] <Serenity> I am telling you
[02:16:53] <Serenity> what he said
[02:16:59] <Serenity> he told me the part thats snipped
[02:17:00] <Serenity> for instance
[02:17:06] <Serenity> he gave me names of villagers
[02:17:11] <Serenity> or those who claimed so
[02:17:20] <CN> I am not talking about that part
[02:17:25] <Serenity> what did he say
[02:17:26] <Serenity> i dont know
[02:17:28] <Serenity> wow
[02:17:28] <Serenity> cn
[02:17:30] <Serenity> great question
[02:17:34] <Serenity> can you perhaps
[02:17:34] <CN> I am talking about his role
[02:17:35] <CN> PM
[02:17:35] <Serenity> be more specific?
[02:17:41] <Serenity> He never claimed his power
[02:17:46] <Serenity> not to me
[02:17:49] <CN> not his power
[02:17:50] <CN> role PM
[02:17:52] <CN> god
[02:18:01] <Serenity> role
[02:18:06] <CN> [02:16:59] <Serenity> he told me the part thats snipped
[02:18:06] <Serenity> basically means power but ok
[02:18:09] <CN> here
[02:18:10] <CN> this
[02:18:12] <Serenity> yes?
[02:18:13] <Serenity> what about it
[02:18:19] <CN> what exactly did he say?
[02:18:24] <CN> because he told me too
[02:18:27] <Serenity> I am not gonna tell someone i think is mafia
[02:18:32] <Serenity> s m
[02:18:38] <Serenity> if you know what he said
[02:18:44] <Serenity> you shoudl know what that means
[02:18:48] <CN> hahahaah
[02:18:56] <Serenity> what
[02:19:01] <CN> you ahve to be kidding me
[02:19:05] <Serenity> What?
[02:19:13] <CN> you found an easy way out again
[02:19:19] <Serenity> lol cn
[02:19:23] <Serenity> you obviously have no idea what i am talking about
[02:19:25] <Serenity> that is why
[02:19:30] <CN> ehh
[02:20:35] <Serenity> anyway
[02:20:38] <Serenity> i am revealing myself
[02:20:40] <Serenity> on the thread
[02:20:45] <Serenity> do not worry
[02:20:46] <CN> feel free
[02:21:03] <CN> dont forget
[02:21:19] <CN> that I have still no way of verifying what you have said all this time
[02:21:21] <CN> is the truth
[02:21:32] <CN> so dont expect me or anyone to believe you
[02:22:07] <Serenity> I dont care
[02:22:57] <CN> why would not care?
[02:23:01] <CN> you not*
Session Close: Fri Jul 24 02:52:06 2009


And clarification for

Code: 
[01:45:04] <CN> btw read gmax's opening post
[01:45:18] <Serenity> whata bouti t
[01:45:36] <CN> it indicates there are more than two factions
[01:45:45] <CN> I thought it was mekkah but no
[01:50:32] <CN> also your theory of thunda and jedil being mafia and major flaws
[01:50:37] <CN> have you noticed what they are?
[01:50:48] <Serenity> wha?
[01:51:06] <CN> if they were mafia, then jimbo was the only villager killed
[01:51:13] <CN> which means
[01:51:15] <Serenity> yes?
[01:51:21] <CN> there were more village kills
[01:51:23] <CN> than mafi akills
[01:51:24] <CN> how
[01:51:25] <CN> odd
She said, thunda and Jedil were mafia and Jimbo was villager. I said, all three of them were looking for someone specific, the common characteristic. So either all of them were mafia or all were village. Assuming there are three factions, the odds of three mafia dying on the same night is very low and simply not possible. It would only happen if both mafia knew who the other mafia were and the serial killer got lucky.
 
You are being irrational in saying that there is no way that the chances of them being being mafia exists at all. How am I being shrewd with the last quote, when it was you who was going 'way to take the easy way out.' I didn't take the easy way out, I told you what exactly was the snipped part in abbreviation and anyone who knows what Jedil said about that snipped part knows what I am talking about. You obvhoooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwliously do not.
 
I only read the clarification for now will respond to the whole thing later, but I couldn't wait with saying this.

Just because they are looking for some it doesn't mean they are all from the same team>_> Looking for someone or something is always a way of gaining new powers(Mist's and maybe Hagrid's role look like that) or just looking for lost team mates(See Cell Jr.), they can be all sided with different sides or all villagers(Let's hope that thunda was mafia, losing the inspect so early is trouble)
 
First thing I saw about the log was that at the start you thought for some reason that thunda was hagrid.
Another thing, most small mafias(disregard Dynamite mafia) have 3 sides+neutrals, so I didn't get why you kept coming up with that again and again
Basically I think from the log lots of it is misunderstanding of some basic mafia concepts and basic English(Yes, I know I'm terrible at it too)

The only thing that cries mafia for me in that log is the fact that he is defending his own win condition saying serenity may be mafia but on the other hand he keeps asking for Serenity's linking to Mekkah's post saying there is no reason for him to hide it. This combined with over-defensiveness makes me think he might be mafia.(I kinda had a such log with Gmax about YCI, the two seem really similar)

If the inspect has no information then I would say I agree with this vote.

Lynch CrabNebula
 
I love how, so many people just jumped on the bandwagon without even saying why they vote.



EDIT: Also I would like if no more people voted for now, he is right now asleep. We want to at least hear his claim before we lynch him.
 
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