20%, yes. And the threat of that sort of thing is why a number of us want to add a Steel-type, i.e. SubCM Jirachi, some Scizor variant, the Lucario I mentioned, etc.Metal Coat boosts the power of Steel type moves by 20%(?) not sure on the percent number, but it does boost the power of Steel type moves.
Another thing I've noticed is that Latios can just freely drop nukes (AKA DMs) on Meloetta and Thundurus-T if Team 2 goes more offensive in dealing with Thundurus-T. I'll probably think up of something tomorrow.
-Genesect: Entirely possible, it's certainly a fine choice right now. I assume we'd be going with the usual Scarf set?Yeah the one problem I have with Scizor, (I stated it before but w/e), is that its currently useless against Celebi and Heatran. Both have access to fire attacks that roast Scizor, and stall our momentum. For this reason, I prefer Genosect, since it can at least outspeed Celebi, and nail it with a U-Turn. Heck, it can even run Choice Band if you are really worried about the team looking too special focused.
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My Current Favs are Genosect / Lucario / Heracross / Hydreigon / Mamoswine
Yea Scarf Genosect was my primary favourite although I get what you said about it being special focused. CB or even Expert Belt I think are other good Genosect sets that could work, I do prefer Scarf tho.-Genesect: Entirely possible, it's certainly a fine choice right now. I assume we'd be going with the usual Scarf set?
-Lucario: I posted the case for it earlier.
-Heracross: What kind of set did you have in mind?
-Hydreigon: Could be good...while it's a special attacker like Thundy, they do seem quite different. Again, what set did you have in mind?
Lol calm down. Sure, we don't have a fire resist, but we don't have a fire weakness yet either. Its also not like Heatran is actually threatening us at the moment, if it becomes a problem then we will fix it.We still don't have a fire resist against 2 pokemon with with fire coverage and the offensive two sets presented (lucario ad scizor) add a fire weakness.
I would also like to point out that unless we pick a heatran, we'll need to yet another fire weakness to tank draco meteors/outrages.
And here comes rain. But team 2 can just go tornadus/kingdra or even ludicolo.
While there is the issue with being specially focused, I think Genesect would be pulling its weight enough by spamming +1 U-turns. We'd just need to keep it in mind for later picks.Yea Scarf Genosect was my primary favourite although I get what you said about it being special focused. CB or even Expert Belt I think are other good Genosect sets that could work, I do prefer Scarf tho.
See the comments upthread about being hesitant to pick a dedicated Scarfer/revenge killer so early. Genesect has resilience and keeps momentum with U-turn, so I think it's fine, but I'd say pass on Heracross for now.Heracross I was thinking Scarf. I ran into it on the ladder, and its fairly annoying when threatening that Moxie sweep, however I (again) like Genosect better for a scarf mon.
Hydreigon again would be nice as a scarf mon, although I would actually rather run mixed with Draco Meteor | Superpower | Roost | Fire Blast / Surf (depending on Rain | The set isn't bad, and it can hit special walls on either side of the attacking spectrum, opening them up for a Thundurus-T (or Meloetta) sweep.
Yeah, that was my first thought, but I don't know how much we are allowed to stretch the "no slashes clause" to support our rain mindgame. I mean, Hydration and Wish support are quite different sets...we would need at least 2 slashes to change the first into the second (one for the ability and one for Rest in place of Protect, probably). Changing that much our set just in case we pick DrizzleToed later is kinda unfair towards Team 2, that doesn't know what set to counter. Thus my choice to go Wish Support, since it works regardless of rain but still enjoys if it's up.Vaporeon seems a very good partner for Thundurus-T, but I'd leave Hydration as an option just in case this team becomes a Rain team.
You can post CB Metagross and I will find something else to post (or just leave Sharpedo as a testament to my sleep-deprived state)Wanted to suggest CB Metagross but noticed Xelacelle was going to submit it later; so I'll sit this one out.
PD: Metagross gets 3HKOed by unboosted HP fire; and 2HKOed after a CM boost.
I'm aware of that. But, as I already said, we want a Steel-type anyway on our team, and most of those will easily beat CM + Roar Latias cause of limited coverage and no protection against status. SpD Jirachi paralyzes and fliches to death, 'zong Toxics and spams Gyro Ball, Ferrothorn can do a similar work with Leech Seed or T-Wave, not to mention Scizor and Genesect that outright murder it. Of couse, we can pick Genesect now and delay the Vaporeon pick, but I can't see any advantage in doing so, since CM + Roar is not that hard to handle anyway.When using Vaporeon as a "counter" to Latias, remember it flat out loses to CM + Roar, which already threatens us fairly bad.
Well, Latias is faster, thus Keldeo has only one opportunity to hit her before fainting, and since it cannot OHKO it's quite poor as a counter. Not to mention if Latias gets a CM up on the switch: in that case HP Ghost deals 44% max, and Latias can just start to set up Calm Minds on Keldeo.Keldeo works pretty well with this team type-synergy wise as well as potentially dealing with CM Latias. Keldeo 2HKOs Latias with HP Ghost while Latias 3HKOs with Dragon Pulse.
I was more pointing out that Latias couldn't switch in rather than it being an outright counter. I figured I would put Keldeo in because of the good type synergy it has with our other two Pokemon.Well, Latias is faster, thus Keldeo has only one opportunity to hit her before fainting, and since it cannot OHKO it's quite poor as a counter. Not to mention if Latias gets a CM up on the switch: in that case HP Ghost deals 44% max, and Latias can just start to set up Calm Minds on Keldeo.
Also, I don't like the fact that it's Modest, being outsped by positive base 100 is not really looking good...
Pretty ballin' set - it has the advantage of eating Latias for breakfast too (Shadow ball deals average 50% damage against +1 Latias; forcing her to recover until a -SpDef drop or a crit).
Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Modes Nature
Trait: Flash Fire
4 HP / 252 SpAtt / 252 Spe
~Fire Blast
~Shadow Ball
~Energy Ball
~Hidden Power Ground