GSC Differences Collection for Simulator Implementation (help needed)

Well, it's never been an issue because Pikachu doesn't naturally boost and nobody uses it anyway. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Light Ball is basically an SpA analog of Thick Club, so I wouldn't be surprised if it could happen, but Bulbapedia doesn't make mention of the rollover glitch for Light Ball where it does for Thick Club.
 
Growth passing to a Pikachu is more "practical" than most of the other glitches/unique cases worth considering imo (Splash Snorlax?).
 
I don't know if it's a NB glitch but,
I used BP with my +1 SpA paralyzed Espeon (growth'd) to a paralyzed zapdos, and suddenly my Zapdos had 298 Speed!
 
It would be worth testing both of those (Pikachu SpA rollover and BPing from one paralyzed mon to another) ingame if we cannot track down sources. Have added a note about Pikachu to the OP.
 
About bellydrum, just to be clear, if you have under half health it will raise to +2 instead of +6? (and display failing message)
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Yes, but obviously you will not lose HP.

Anyway, I don't that what happens in Stadium is relevant. The simulator will (should) use Crystal mechanics, which is what have always been used.

I'm unsure of NB's sources, but it would certainly help to have a full list of NYPC moves included in NB. If someone knows of such a list or is willing to make one by looking through the teambuilder it would be very helpful.
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This list?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3277665&postcount=7
 
In Netbattle it DOES rollover, and I have the log that proves it.

Begin Turn #1
Crystal_ [GSC]. withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Espeon (Lv.100 Espeon)!
---------------------------------
Crystal_ [GSC] withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Cloyster (Lv.100 Cloyster)!
---------------------------------
End of turn #1
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #2
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack rose!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
Crystal_ [GSC].'s team had Spikes scattered around it!
---------------------------------
End of turn #2
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #3
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack rose!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
End of turn #3
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #4
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack rose!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
End of turn #4
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #5
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack rose!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
End of turn #5
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #6
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack won't go higher!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
End of turn #6
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #7
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack won't go higher!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
End of turn #7
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 333 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #8
Espeon used Baton Pass!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Pikachu (Lv.100 Pikachu)!
Pikachu is hurt by Spikes!
---------------------------------
Cloyster used Spikes!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
End of turn #8
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Pikachu: 239 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Cloyster: 100% HP

Begin Turn #9
Pikachu used Thunder!
(100% damage)
A critical hit!
It's super effective!
Cloyster fainted!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
---------------------------------
End of turn #9
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Pikachu: 239 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 100% HP

Begin Turn #10
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Pikachu used Thunder!
(22% damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #10
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Pikachu: 239 HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 85% HP

NetBattle v1.1.1
Log saved 30/01/2011 at 19:12:09

*It had 164 SpA

To add more things, given that it SpA is 164, this means that when Espy reached 999, the last 2 Growths didn't count for Pikachu neither, as:
396 (total Pikachu's SpA) * 3 (the boost get after +4 SpA) = 1188.
1188 - 164 = 1024.

That also means that the value of a glitched stat is it's "real value" - 1024, but I suppose that this was already known...



Also, the log about the speed after BP to a para poke

Battle Log:
Battle Mode: Gold/Silver/Crystal
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause
Rule: Apply PP Ups
Rule: Battle Timeout
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Disallow Spectators
Rule: Evasion Clause
Crystal_ [GSC] vs Crystal_ [GSC].. Begin!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!

Begin Turn #1
Zapdos used Thunder!
(48% damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(174 damage)
Zapdos is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #1
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 233 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 59% HP

Begin Turn #2
Crystal_ [GSC] withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Espeon (Lv.100 Espeon)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(166 damage)
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #2
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 188 HP
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 65% HP

Begin Turn #3
Espeon used Morning Sun!
Espeon regained health!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(174 damage)
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #3
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 180 HP
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 71% HP

Begin Turn #4
Espeon used Morning Sun!
Espeon regained health!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(331 damage)
A critical hit!
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #4
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 23 HP
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 78% HP

Begin Turn #5
Espeon used Morning Sun!
Espeon regained health!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #5
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 210 HP
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 84% HP

Begin Turn #6
Espeon used Morning Sun!
Espeon regained health!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(160 damage)
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #6
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 194 HP
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 90% HP

Begin Turn #7
Espeon used Morning Sun!
Espeon regained health!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(182 damage)
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #7
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 172 HP
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 96% HP

Begin Turn #8
Espeon used Morning Sun!
Espeon regained health!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(180 damage)
Espeon is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #8
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 174 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP

Begin Turn #9
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack rose!
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #9
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 195 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP

Begin Turn #10
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Espeon used Growth!
Espeon's Special Attack rose!
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #10
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 216 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP

Begin Turn #11
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Espeon is paralyzed! It can't move!
---------------------------------
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #11
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 237 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP

Begin Turn #12
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Espeon used Baton Pass!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #12
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 257 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP

Begin Turn #13
Crystal_ [GSC]. withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #13
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 281 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Snorlax: 100% HP

Begin Turn #14
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
(25% damage)
---------------------------------
Snorlax used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #14
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 305 HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Snorlax: 81% HP

NetBattle v1.1.1
Log saved 30/01/2011 at 19:22:27


Then, I did it without passing anything: NO GLITCH

Battle Log:
Battle Mode: Gold/Silver/Crystal
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause
Rule: Apply PP Ups
Rule: Battle Timeout
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Disallow Spectators
Rule: Evasion Clause
Crystal_ [GSC]. vs Crystal_ [GSC]. Begin!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!

Begin Turn #1
Zapdos used Thunder!
(344 damage)
A critical hit!
Zapdos is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(45% damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #1
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 61% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 63 HP (Par)

Begin Turn #2
Crystal_ [GSC] withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Espeon (Lv.100 Espeon)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #2
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 68% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Espeon: 333 HP

Begin Turn #3
Espeon used Baton Pass!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #3
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 74% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 87 HP (Par)

Begin Turn #4
Crystal_ [GSC]. withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
(12% damage)
---------------------------------
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #4
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Snorlax: 94% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 111 HP (Par)

Begin Turn #5
Snorlax used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos is paralyzed! It can't move!
---------------------------------
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #5
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Snorlax: 100% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 135 HP (Par)

Begin Turn #6
Snorlax used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
(12% damage)
---------------------------------
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #6
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Snorlax: 94% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 159 HP (Par)

NetBattle v1.1.1
Log saved 30/01/2011 at 19:25:38


Lastly, I did it BP-ing nothing but with Espy paralyzed, and Zapdos recovered the 298 speed!

Battle Log:
Battle Mode: Gold/Silver/Crystal
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Self-KO Clause
Rule: Apply PP Ups
Rule: Battle Timeout
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Disallow Spectators
Rule: Evasion Clause
Crystal_ [GSC]. vs Crystal_ [GSC]. Begin!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!

Begin Turn #1
Zapdos used Thunder!
(165 damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
Zapdos's attack missed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #1
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 242 HP

Begin Turn #2
Zapdos used Thunder!
(176 damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
Zapdos's attack missed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #2
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 100% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 90 HP

Begin Turn #3
Zapdos used Thunder!
(44% damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #3
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 62% HP
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 114 HP

Begin Turn #4
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(46% damage)
Zapdos is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #4
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 22% HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 138 HP

Begin Turn #5
Crystal_ [GSC]. withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Espeon (Lv.100 Espeon)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Thunder!
(51% damage)
Espeon is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Espeon's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #5
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Espeon: 55% HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 162 HP

Begin Turn #6
Zapdos used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Espeon used Baton Pass!
Crystal_ [GSC]. sent out Zapdos (Lv.100 Zapdos)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #6
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 28% HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Zapdos: 186 HP

Begin Turn #7
Crystal_ [GSC] withdrew Zapdos!
Crystal_ [GSC] sent out Snorlax (Lv.100 Snorlax)!
---------------------------------
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
(65 damage)
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #7
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 35% HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Snorlax: 491 HP

Begin Turn #8
Zapdos is paralyzed! It can't move!
---------------------------------
Snorlax used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #8
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 41% HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Snorlax: 523 HP

Begin Turn #9
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
(62 damage)
---------------------------------
Snorlax used Sleep Talk!
But it failed!
---------------------------------
Zapdos's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
Snorlax's Leftovers restored its HP a little!
End of turn #9
Crystal_ [GSC].'s Zapdos: 47% HP (Par)
Crystal_ [GSC]'s Snorlax: 494 HP

NetBattle v1.1.1
Log saved 30/01/2011 at 19:31:14

So this depends on whether the BP-er is paralyzed or not, rather than on whether you have passed stat boosts.



I am pretty sure that if the Pikachu rollover happens in NB is because it has been added, and thus also happens in-game. However, the paralysis+BP glitch could be a glitch of NB itself, so I'd rather test in in Pokemon Crystal: Anyone can do it?
 
Crystal_ said:
Yes, but obviously you will not lose HP.

Anyway, I don't that what happens in Stadium is relevant. The simulator will (should) use Crystal mechanics, which is what have always been used.
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It would be worthwhile knowing of differences between Stadium, Crystal, and Gold/Silver mechanics. Whichever is implemented, it's worth knowing the options before implementation. If a glitch was fixed later in the series, it may not always be best to implement it.


Crystal_ said:
This list?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3277665&postcount=7
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I have seen and replied to that, the source of that list is UPC and on the we archive of the UPC page it specifically claims to not be complete. Netbattle may well have quite a few differences for all I know.

Also, testing on a sim is not exactly reliable, even though it's worth knowing. Anything that can't be confirmed by good sources or overwhelming personal experience will probably need ingame testing, I'll keep a list of things to test in the OP.
 
I've got a working crystal cart, but work + my inability to shark = it might take a while (about a week, I'd say) for me to get to a point where I can test the existence of such a BP-para glitch. I personally have never heard of such a glitch in-game, and it seems like something people would've discovered and jumped all over way before now, but it would still be prudent to confirm.

As for light ball, it might be nice to have a source of in-cart confirmation to reference instead of reasoning that NB probably did it by design to better emulate the games (especially considering how wonky NB can be). If it's not somewhere on the net, I can try to test the generality of the rollover glitch by BPing growths to LB Pikachu or amnesia/acid armor to a metal powder ditto or something (although my RBY carts are currently inaccessible at the moment, so it'd take even longer for me to get to this.)

Anybody else who can do this faster/find in-cart confirmations elsewhere on the web is welcome to do so.

Disregard, if regarded. All my carts are inaccessible at the moment.
 
Can I also ask how rage behave in gen 2? (i know it doesn't raise attack when attacked, but rather the move's base power increase)
 
I have lots of info to put on that if you want.

About the Zapdos speed showed by _Crystal, its not a NB glitch, but a GB glitch.

Here's a complete view on the Paralysis Status:

If a Pokémon is affected with the Status Paralysis, it will lose 1/4 of its Speed Stat. Also, before it use any move, it will have 1/4 chance of not attacking on that turn.

If a Pokemon with Status Paralysis use Baton Pass, the selected Pokemon to get on the field will not have its speed altered, even if its with Paralysis too. This means that if you use Baton Pass to switch to a Pokémon with Paralysis status, even if you do not pass any stat modification, the Pokemon will take maintained its original speed.

However, if the Pokemon suffer any stage modifier effect on his Speed, the game will recalculate the speed of the Pokemon, and its speed will again be reduced by 1/4.

If the battle is doing at Pokemon Stadium 2, and if a Pokemon with Paralysis Status use Baton Pass to another Pokémon with Paralysis, two situations must be considered:

1) If you passed any speed stage increaser (Agility comes to mind), the Pokemons speed will be reduced by 1/4.

2) If you don't, the new Pokemons speed will not be reduced, EVEN if it is affected by any speed stage modifier after that (the game recalculates the speed, but ignores the Paralysis effect of reducing the speed).

Sorry for any grammar errors, my english isn't very good.
 
Maguss, what you're describing is mostly mechanics of RBY fixed in Stadium :x

About end turn effects (poison, leech seed, leftovers, perish song, curse etc.) do they still happen if you ko the opposing pokemon?

(Also I pretty much finished GSC, of course it'll need NYPC moves as well as few odd moves like Rage behaving differently, but it's almost done)
 
List of NYPC moves for Pokemon #s 1-151

I've listed the final evos of the Pokemon(barring a few cases), so during implementation, carry over the pre-evos as well!

Venusaur – Ancientpower, Rock Throw
Charizard – Crunch
Blastoise – Zap Cannon
Fearow – Sonicboom
Raichu – Dizzy Punch, Petal Dance, Scary Face, Sing
Nidoqueen – Lovely Kiss, Moonlight, Sweet Kiss,
Nidoking – Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss, Morning Sun
Clefable – Petal Dance, Scary Face, Swift
Wigglytuff – Scary Face
Golbat – Flail
Vileplume – Leech Seed
Parasect – Synthesis
Golduck – Petal Dance, Tri Attack
Poliwrath – Growth, Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
Alakazam – Foresight
Machamp – False Swipe, Thrash
Victreebel – Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
Tentacruel – Confuse Ray
Golem – Rapid Spin
Rapidash – Low Kick
Magneton – Agility
Farfetch’d – Fury Cutter
Dodrio – Low Kick
Dewgong – Flail
Onix – Sharpen
Hypno – Amnesia
Kingler – Metal Claw
Electrode – Agility
Exeggutor – Sweet Scent
Marowak – Fury Attack
Hitmonlee – Dizzy Punch
Hitmonchan – Dizzy Punch
Lickitung – DoubleSlap
Chansey – Sweet Scent
Tangela – Synthesis
Kangaskhan – Faint Attack
Seadra – Haze
Seaking – Swords Dance
Starmie – Twister
Mr. Mime – Mind Reader
Scyther – Sonicboom
Jynx – Petal Dance
Electabuzz – Dizzy Punch(can be obtained via Odd Egg as well), Pursuit
Magmar – Faint Attack
Pinsir – Rock Throw, Sweet Kiss
Tauros – Quick Attack
Gyarados – Bubble, Reversal
Lapras – Bite, Future Sight
Flareon – Growth
Vaporeon – Growth
Jolteon – Growth
Porygon – Barrier
Omastar – Rock Throw
Kabutops – Rock Throw
Aerodactyl – Rock Throw
Snorlax – Lovely Kiss, Splash, Sweet Kiss
Dragonite – Hydro Pump
 
Here's the list of NYPC moves from Netbattle, Pokemon 152-251. Destiny Warrior has the list of Pokemon 1-151.

Chikorita - Petal Dance
Bayleef - Petal Dance
Meganium - Petal Dance
Cyndaquil - Double-Edge
Quilava - Double-Edge
Typhlosion - Double-Edge
Totodile - Submission
Croconaw - Submission
Feraligatr - Submission
Sentret - Dizzy Punch
Furret - Dizzy Punch
Hoothoot - Night Shade
Noctowl - Night Shade
Ledyba - Barrier
Ledian - Barrier
Spinarak - Growth
Ariados - Growth
Crobat - Flail
Chinchou - Light Screen
Lanturn - Light Screen
Pichu - Dizzy Punch, Petal Dance, Scary Face, Sing
Cleffa - Dizzy Punch, Petal Dance, Scary Face, Swift
Igglybuff - Dizzy Punch, Mimic, Petal Dance, Scary Face
Togepi - Dizzy Punch
Togetic - Dizzy Punch
Natu - Safeguard
Xatu - Safeguard
Mareep - N/A
Flaaffy - N/A
Ampharos - N/A
Bellossom - Leech Seed
Marill - Dizzy Punch, Hydro Pump, Scary Face
Azumarill - Dizzy Punch, Hydro Pump, Scary Face
Sudowoodo - Substitute
Politoed - Growth, Lovely Kiss, Sweet Kiss
Hoppip - Agility
Skiploom - Agility
Jumpluff - Agility
Aipom - Mimic
Sunkern - Splash
Sunflora - Splash
Yanma - Steel Wing, Sweet Kiss
Wooper - Belly Drum, Scary Face
Quagsire - Belly Drum, Scary Face
Espeon - Growth
Umbreon - Growth
Murkrow - Beat Up
Slowking - N/A
Misdreavus - Hypnosis
Unown - N/A
Wobbuffet - N/A
Girafarig - N/A
Pineco - Substitute
Forretress - Substitute
Dunsparce - Fury Attack, Horn Drill
Gligar - N/A (Earthquake through Stadium 2)
Steelix - Sharpen
Snubbull - Lovely Kiss
Granbull - Lovely Kiss
Qwilfish - Double-Edge
Scizor - Sonicboom
Shuckle - N/A
Heracross - Rock Throw, Seismic Toss
Sneasel - Moonlight
Teddiursa - Sweet Scent
Ursaring - Sweet Scent
Slugma - N/A
Magcargo - N/A
Swinub - Whirlwind
Piloswine - Whirlwind
Corsola - N/A
Remoraid - Amnesia, Mist
Octillery - Amnesia, Mist
Delibird - Pay Day, Spikes
Mantine - Gust
Skarmory - Fury Cutter
Houndour - N/A
Houndoom - N/A
Kingdra - Haze
Phanpy - Absorb
Donphan - Absorb
Porygon2 - Barrier
Stantler - Safeguard
Smeargle - N/A
Tyrogue - Rage
Hitmontop - Rage
Smoochum - Metronome, Petal Dance
Elekid - Dizzy Punch, Pursuit
Magby - Dizzy Punch, Faint Attack
Miltank - Mega Kick
Blissey - Sweet Scent
Raikou - N/A
Entei - N/A
Suicune - N/A
Larvitar - Rage
Pupitar - Rage
Tyranitar - Rage
Lugia - N/A
Ho-oh - N/A
Celebi - Present
 
coyotte508 said:
Maguss, what you're describing is mostly mechanics of RBY fixed in Stadium :x

About end turn effects (poison, leech seed, leftovers, perish song, curse etc.) do they still happen if you ko the opposing pokemon?

(Also I pretty much finished GSC, of course it'll need NYPC moves as well as few odd moves like Rage behaving differently, but it's almost done)
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What? Since when there is Baton Pass on RBY or Pokémon Stadium? All I have said is GSC mechanics, and no, this isn't fixed at all on Stadium 2. Read carefully what I've said.

About the NYPC moves, I'm almost sure Celebi doesn't learn Present. There is no clue about a Celebi with Present being held at NYPC (NBS is the only one, but I don't trust at all on it, especially considering its many bugs on GSC and possibility of combining every kind of Egg Move on every Pokémon, making you able to give illegal movesets to your Pokémon). Also, every NYPC Pokémon was an Egg the hatch with the special move on it, and Celebi can't hatch from an Egg (by normal means) since its a Legendary Pokémon.
 
If you belly drum (+50%) at +6 attack it won't happen anything; but if you belly drum from -6 to +5, you will lose health even if it's impossible to gain more attack. That means that a lv 100 Snorlax, who reachs 999 atk with +5, will just lose health if it drums; however, Quagsire needs +6, so if it drums again it wont happen anything. (Borat told me that).
 
Crystal_ said:
If you belly drum (+50%) at +6 attack it won't happen anything; but if you belly drum from -6 to +5, you will lose health even if it's impossible to gain more attack. That means that a lv 100 Snorlax, who reachs 999 atk with +5, will just lose health if it drums; however, Quagsire needs +6, so if it drums again it wont happen anything. (Borat told me that).
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Well, I really doubt that. I never knew that before, so I tested it on a link battle with two Pokémon Crystal cartridges, and that doesn't occur. The move fails even with a +5 Snorlax. This may occur in NBS, but not in-game (looks why I hate NBS?). I'll test it on GS after though.

EDIT: tested on Pokémon Silver now, and its the same.

EDIT 2: Powder Snow has 10% chance of freezing the target, as all the other Ice-type moves that can freeze (26/256 = 10,15625%). Don't trust on everything you see on Bulbapedia, specially when it comes to GSC.
 
Sorry Maguss, mistook it with the RBY paralysis + speed glitch.

Also ok, didn't know GSC still used things like 26/256 instead of 10/100, thanks.
 
coyotte508 said:
Can I also ask how rage behave in gen 2? (i know it doesn't raise attack when attacked, but rather the move's base power increase)
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Actually, Rage creates a multiplier to the Damage formula. It starts at 1 and increase by 1 every time the Pokémon being hitted by a direct damage. This multiplier is used just before the damage weighting (the last step on the Damage formula).
 
Thanks. Also, does the rage multiplier cap at some value?

Also, i heard from someone that the critical hits work like that:

First it calculates the damage done with all pokemon having their current boosts
Then it calculates the damage done with 0 boosts everywhere

and takes the one that makes the most damage.

So if 2 curselax are at +6/+6, a crit will only do twice the normal damage, but if you're at +0 and crit the foe at +2 def, then his def boosts will be ignored. If you're at +4 and crit a foe, you'll still have your attack boosts too.

Is that true?
 
No. It does not depend on +s, it looks at the actual resulting value. In most cases, it's pretty much the same as +s, however, there's a difference once you factor in the 999 cap.

So, once it crits, two calculations done: pre-stat upping and post stat upping.

So take a pokemon with 278 atk facing 258 def. Both stats reach 999 at +6. If it crits, 278 to 258 will do more, so stat ups are ignored.

However, pretend the pokemon had 258 atk and 278 def. Both stats hit 999 at +6 again. However, in this instance, 999 to 999 will do more damage than 258 to 278, so stat ups are applied.

+5 snorlax vs +5 snorlax, attack is 999 vs 798 def. 318 to 228 will do more in this case, so stat ups ignored.

Etc, etc.
 
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