CAP1 - Special Poll - Dream World Ability Poll

reachzero · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:20:53 PM

The Fifth Generation of Pokemon introduced a revolutionary new concept to competitive Pokemon: Dream World Pokemon with different abilities than ordinary Pokemon, allowing some Pokemon to have THREE abilities. Because some Dream World Pokemon are all male, Dream World abilities can have unusual limitations on the movepools of these Pokemon. Because we may choose to limit Tomohawk's movepool in this way, it is important for us to decide at this time whether we wish for the secondary ability, Prankster, to be the Dream World ability, or for a flavor ability to be the Dream World ability, or even to have no Dream World ability whatsoever. This poll will decide what the Dream World ability will be. If Prankster is chosen as the Dream World ability, the poll to choose a flavor ability (if any) will still be held, but it will become the secondary ability.

This will be a Bold Vote, meaning you may choose one and only one option. The options in this poll are Prankster, Flavor Ability, and No Dream World Ability.

Here is our Pokemon so far:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Admiral_Korski

Concept: Momentum
General Description: This will be a Pokemon that can be utilized to gain or regain momentum for a player's team at any point in the match as its primary function.
Justification: Gen. 5 is a very powerful metagame. As such, most battles are won by the smarter strategist who can best maneuver around his/her opponent's onslaught to gain even a single turn's advantage, potentially clinching them the match. This process of gaining and regaining momentum is most often the defining element that makes a winner and a loser out of a single Pokemon battle. Any top player in this metagame should agree that momentum is the most crucial element in any given match; however, "momentum" itself is a rather vaguely defined term that is never really explored in concrete terms. Is it keeping opposing teams on the defensive? Forcing switches? Good prediction? Spamming U-turn? These have all been approaches to achieving momentum, but they are also player-side and largely synonymous with "strategy," as opposed to Pokemon-side and regarding a Pokemon's role on the team. Certainly there are threats like Ferrothorn/Gliscor (defensive) and Scizor/Latios/Voltlos, etc., etc. (offensive) that can achieve momentum as we know it, but there is no current niche for a "momentum Pokemon" because the concept has been purely delegated to players and not to Pokemon.
Questions to be Answered:
-How do we define momentum in terms of competitive Pokemon? What factors make current Pokemon able to achieve momentum and how can we incorporate that information into a successful CAP?
-How do different styles of play (Weather-based offense, stall, bulky offense, etc.) use momentum to achieve their goals and how can our CAP play to those strategies in an effort to take their momentum away?
-What type of traditional role (sweeper, tank, wall, support) would a Pokemon like this most resemble? Would it have to be able to fit more than one of these roles to fit in a variety of teams?
-How will the different playstyles be affected by the addition of a Pokemon that can regain offensive/defensive momentum at any given point? Will offensive teams play more conservatively? Will defensive teams play more recklessly? Will everything simply adapt to a new threat and move on normally?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cartoons!

Name: Tomohawk

Typing: Flying/Fighting

Base Stats: 105 HP/60 Atk/90 Def/115 SpA/80 SpD/85 Spe

Abilities: Intimidate/Prankster

Here is a list of all the allowed moves that could play a role in this decision:

Aromatherapy/Heal Bell
Baton Pass
Circle Throw
Clear Smog
Confuse Ray
Counter
Curse
Detect
Dragon Tail
Encore
Gravity
Haze
Healing Wish
Hone Claws
Ingrain
Knock Off
Magic Coat
Block/Mean Look
Memento
Mirror Coat
Moonlight/Morning Sun
Perish Song
Psycho Shift
Rain Dance
Rapid Spin
Recover, Slack Off, etc.
Reflect
Refresh
Roar/Whirlwind
Roost
Stealth Rock
Taunt
U-Turn
Wish
Yawn
Acrobatics
Air Slash
Brave Bird
Close Combat
Crunch
Drain Punch
Dragon Claw
Dual Chop
Drill Peck
Earth Power
Fake Out
Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Heat Wave
Focus Blast
Focus Punch
Grass Knot
Hammer Arm
Hurricane
Icy Wind
Low Kick
Mach Punch
Psychic
Psyshock
Rock Slide
Super Fang
Superpower
Vacuum Wave
Volt Switch

This poll will close in 24 hours. Choose wisely!

**PK Gaming** · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:23:20 PM

Nice!

~~Prankster~~

Flavor ability

Edit: I misunderstood

Lady Salamence · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:24:29 PM

No Dream World Ability

Gothic Togekiss · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:25:00 PM

Flavor Ability

***Jibaku**** · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:29:47 PM

Flavor Ability

Flavor ability and No Dream World ability are pretty much the same thing but they're competing against each other =/. This is giving Prankster an edge in the poll.

Business Casual · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:30:36 PM

Prankster

**Korski** · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:31:26 PM

Flavor Ability

**capefeather** · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:32:31 PM

Flavor Ability

I hate the idea of hidden ability illegalities. It seems really iffy since we don't even know for sure if the all-male quality was intended or if it's going to last. Also, we should really stop calling them "Dream World abilities" and just call them "hidden abilities" -.-

Flavor Ability because most Gen V Pokémon have them.

sb879 · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:42:22 PM

Flavor Ability

Menshay · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:46:46 PM

Flavor Ability
The only real Pokémon with no hidden abilities are stuff like Kecleon and Castform (heaviliy tied to their ability concept-wise), most legendaries and Pokémon with Levitate as their only ability (or evolved from Levitate-only Pokémon like Dusclops/noir), and I recall Starly being the only exception (though not really, since veekun gives Keen Eye both as normal and hidden ability which should be considered separate since Staravia/raptor get Reckess instead of Intimidate). Tomohawk doesn't fit in any of these categories, so I think he should get one.

Onetwobanana · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:47:28 PM

Flavor Ability

Rising_Dusk · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:56:37 PM

Flavor Ability

Jebus McAzn · Apr 4th, 2011, 1:57:01 PM

Flavor Ability

andalite191 · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:00:41 PM

Flavor Ability

Aerodactyl Legend · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:02:40 PM

No Dream World Ability

This is affecting the actual Pokemon we're making. Why are we considering to give it an ability based on flavor?

JGSabino · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:03:54 PM

Flavor Ability

Ride The Lightning · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:05:23 PM

Flavor Ability

AK707 · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:05:32 PM

Prankster

Surveying Motions · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:06:19 PM

Flavor Ability

Even though I hate having to spell it incorrectly, I worried that 'flavour' might not get picked up!

Tomahawk9 · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:10:51 PM

Flavor Ability

Legality issues with Prankster sucks and having no DW Ability is weird.

mudkipmaster · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:10:56 PM

Flavor Ability

Omicron · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:13:42 PM

Flavor Ability

Eldrake · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:17:15 PM

Flavor Ability

MK Ultra · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:22:51 PM

Flavor Ability

KingEmpoleon · Apr 4th, 2011, 2:33:43 PM

Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:23:20 PM	#2
PK Gaming Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,562 Sumuru city	Nice! ~~Prankster~~ Flavor ability Edit: I misunderstood __________________ Last edited by PK Gaming; Apr 4th, 2011 at 3:45:00 PM.

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:24:29 PM	#3
Lady Salamence Bye Smogon, it's been fun. Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,326 ROFL ROFL ROFL	No Dream World Ability __________________ WW2

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:25:00 PM	#4
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,486 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	Flavor Ability __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?* Last edited by Gothic Togekiss; Apr 4th, 2011 at 2:06:00 PM.

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:29:47 PM	#5
*Jibaku I will bait you and outsmart you Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,919 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	Flavor Ability Flavor ability and No Dream World ability are pretty much the same thing but they're competing against each other =/. This is giving Prankster an edge in the poll. __________________ Last edited by Jibaku; Apr 4th, 2011 at 1:58:17 PM.

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:31:26 PM	#7
Korski Distilled, 80 proof Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,004 Minneapolis	Flavor Ability __________________ "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not." - John Lennon

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:30:36 PM	#6
Business Casual Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 40	Prankster

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:32:31 PM	#8
capefeather Here's my mega plan: YOU DIE Moderator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,636 I'm a super fighting robot from the year 2010	Flavor Ability I hate the idea of hidden ability illegalities. It seems really iffy since we don't even know for sure if the all-male quality was intended or if it's going to last. Also, we should really stop calling them "Dream World abilities" and just call them "hidden abilities" -.- Flavor Ability because most Gen V Pokémon have them. __________________ If we cannot take joy in things that are merely real, our lives will always be empty. <+joshe> im a registered sex offender for up to calc 3 <%V4> Naruto is climaxing! <+Reflect_Suicune> i was thining of fucking jellicent for some reason

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:42:22 PM	#9
sb879 Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 182 Southern California	Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:46:46 PM	#10
Menshay Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 94 Italy (GMT+1)	Flavor Ability The only real Pokémon with no hidden abilities are stuff like Kecleon and Castform (heaviliy tied to their ability concept-wise), most legendaries and Pokémon with Levitate as their only ability (or evolved from Levitate-only Pokémon like Dusclops/noir), and I recall Starly being the only exception (though not really, since veekun gives Keen Eye both as normal and hidden ability which should be considered separate since Staravia/raptor get Reckess instead of Intimidate). Tomohawk doesn't fit in any of these categories, so I think he should get one.

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:47:28 PM	#11
Onetwobanana Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 93	Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:56:37 PM	#12
Rising_Dusk Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,742	Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 1:57:01 PM	#13
Jebus McAzn Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,101	Flavor Ability __________________ <THE_IRON_KENYAN> no its ok this is the natural progression of these threads <THE_IRON_KENYAN> its like when you see mushrooms growing on a tree you say "hey faggots get off the tree" but then you realize that in the end thats how they get on pizza so its all ok

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:00:41 PM	#14
andalite191 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 47	Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:02:40 PM	#15
Aerodactyl Legend Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 986 Is inside an enemy AC130 above.	No Dream World Ability This is affecting the actual Pokemon we're making. Why are we considering to give it an ability based on flavor?

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:03:54 PM	#16
JGSabino Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 122 Portugal	Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:05:23 PM	#17
Ride The Lightning Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 213	Flavor Ability __________________ Check these groups out: Pokemon Metagame Redesign, where I diversify and improve every single pokemon and create a new, fun, and exciting metagame. And NEMEP, a project where we create a new metagame from scratch, with completely made up new Pokemon, similar to CAP.

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:05:32 PM	#18
AK707 Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15	Prankster

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:06:19 PM	#19
Surveying Motions Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 69	Flavor Ability Even though I hate having to spell it incorrectly, I worried that 'flavour' might not get picked up! __________________ Highest PO rankings (under alts): DW - 12th DW Ubers - 6th

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:10:51 PM	#20
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Flavor Ability Legality issues with Prankster sucks and having no DW Ability is weird. __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:10:56 PM	#21
mudkipmaster Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 751 credit to Fatecrashers for awesome avy	Flavor Ability __________________ http://i51.tinypic.com/331q54w.jpg Platinum friend code:1248 7530 9754 So i herd you liek mudkips? (A trade thread)- Please reply to CMT's in my thread! Your rank in VGC 2011 is 1719/1773! Crud...

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:13:42 PM	#22
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,040 Seattle, WA	Flavor Ability __________________

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:17:15 PM	#23
Eldrake Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15	Flavor Ability

Apr 4th, 2011, 2:22:51 PM	#24
MK Ultra Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,204 tungsten body; glowing mind	Flavor Ability __________________ <Darkamber8828> guys <Darkamber8828> i have two snatches last.fm <danmantincan> It's true <danmantincan> I'm mk's bitch