Smogon's 1st "Create a Pokemon"

Cooper · Nov 27th, 2007, 12:00:17 PM

Alright, so I've been giving this idea a lot of thought lately. A lot of the sites that I've frequented in my life have had variants of this (gameFAQs character battle, Magic's months long card creating), but what they have in common is that regular posters decide on what is created. After realizing that, I figured "Why can't smogon have one of these as well?"

Perhaps the reason is that no one has ever done it in a concise and organized matter. There have been several failed attempts in the past, and those usually involved noobs posting how they wanted legal WonderTombs, and doing this when the metagame was still being decided. But now that individual pokemon discussions are winding down and Ubers, OU, and BL have pretty much been decided (as far as I know), i figure it's the perfect time to bust this out. How it will work is this:

Every 3-7 days (to be decided after popularity of the program is determined), you will vote on a particular aspect of a pokemon (type, ability, etc.)
Those votes will be recorded at the end of the voting period and will be incorporated into future relevant polls
When everything has been decided, the resulting pokemon will be poasted. I'm not sure if there's a way to send the product to GameFreak, but if there is, I'm all for doing it

These are tentative rules, of course. If anyone wants to offer their assistance to me, as I'm sure this will be somewhat taxing, I'm all for it. However, I don't intend to start this program immediately, as I need to compile any information required in birthing a brand new pokemon. So what I'm asking today is, if such as program is allowed to happen, would you actively partcipate? Active partcipation by smogoners is the only way this is going to happen.

If it's too early for something like this to happen, I apologize and invite mods to lock this thread down. But if you do allow it, I'll also need your help in deleting expired polls. Thank you for your consideration.

futuresuperstar · Nov 27th, 2007, 12:30:19 PM

Yeah, definitely. To be honest, I have always had a little part of me that would love to see a fantasy league consisting of nothing but Pokemon the community has created. Of course, this would require a certain level of balance, but I think Smogon could pull it off.

I may be getting off-topic here, but imagine this: an entire generation, one could say, of Smokemon -- wow, that was incredibly lame, but you know what I mean -- created by the community and balanced with stats, types, sprites, move-sets, and the like. We could stray away from new moves, if we wanted, or could add a few if we wished to give a signature move or two to some "legendaries" (special-oriented Dragon Dance, anyone?). Same with abilities. We could even finally give a Pokemon in the overused meta-game the ability Drought or Drizzle, if we so desired.

The point is that with around one hundred created Pokemon, we could have our own fantasy league with them, and then, in the ultimate test, with them infused into the actual fortified meta-game. I am certainly aware that this would take a few months, not just in planning and execution of the Pokemon, but in the programming of these Pokemon to function in a Shoddy Battle-environment.

I really do think it could be done, though. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but I think if a moderator here really decided to do this right, we could get it going. Sprites would really be the only "hard" thing to pull off, but with the amount of sprite editing I have seen on this site I wouldn't be surprised if some people were up to the task.

As for the topic's original point, yes, I do think that a community-driven creation of a single Pokemon would be a great idea, and I am all for it.

Pikachu of Doom · Nov 27th, 2007, 1:00:54 PM

It would be an interesting tournament that's for sure although designing 100+ pokemon would be a bit of a feat.

futuresuperstar · Nov 27th, 2007, 1:18:26 PM

It could always be a more realistic number. Even starting at twenty could be interesting.

Soy-Monk · Nov 27th, 2007, 2:52:48 PM

I'd love to help with the art design for the final Pokemon in these polls.

Demonz · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:02:21 PM

I'd vote whenever I can.

Great Sage · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:16:47 PM

I really wouldn't want to participate in this, because it would be rampant with useless subjectivity over something that won't make an impact in the grand scheme of things. Besides, it could perfectly well lead to some ridiculous debates over the most insignificant things.

Fiyaaaah! · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:17:10 PM

I'd vote as often as I could. Are we also considering evolving existing Pokemon, such as Eevee? (I'd really like to see a Ghost- or Steel-type, myself.)

futuresuperstar · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:24:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Great Sage

I really wouldn't want to participate in this, because it would be rampant with useless subjectivity over something that won't make an impact in the grand scheme of things. Besides, it could perfectly well lead to some ridiculous debates over the most insignificant things.

The point is that it would not have to be insignificant, and it would simply be "fun." Which is the whole point of Pokemon, in the end, anyway.

Soy-Monk · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:30:13 PM

Pointlessness = Fun :D

XtrEEmMaShEEn3k2 · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:34:06 PM

Hey, Draco Meteor was invented by a fan wasn't it?

Deucalion2 · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:42:07 PM

The name was, not the move.

Gothic Togekiss · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:44:16 PM

Wait....Draco Meteor's name came from a fan, what the hell?!? I alway thought GameFreak couldn't take ideas from fandom...or was that something else.

Has any pokemon design made by a fan been ever used by GameFreak but modified?

xBLUEx · Nov 27th, 2007, 3:44:26 PM

i'd vote. this looks like fun.

**Mario With Lasers** · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

Wait....Draco Meteor's name came from a fan, what the hell?!? I alway thought GameFreak couldn't take ideas from fandom...or was that something else.

As far as I know, the move and the Japanese name were invented by a (Japanese, I think) fan. It was GF's fault the move was actually introduced, though ;[ Didn't anyone come with a special Dragon Dance or something?

Or maybe they went mostly for creativity...

Shelcario · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:20:20 PM

I'd participate in this kind of thing because I'd like to see new creative type combos and new evolutions of pokemon such as Sableye. Great Idea:)

Fiyaaaah! · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:23:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Mario with Lasers

As far as I know, the move and the Japanese name were invented by a (Japanese, I think) fan. It was GF's fault the move was actually introduced, though ;[ Didn't anyone come with a special Dragon Dance or something?

Or maybe they went mostly for creativity...

All it really did was change Overheat's type to Dragon. I wouldn't consider that creative, personally.

Suburvia · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:26:28 PM

I voted yes. This could be fun, and I think we'll probably end up with a pretty good Pokemon in the end =]

The thing I'm wondering is how would we decide its movepool? Of course, we'd only really need to include useable moves (but a whole movepool if we ever desired to show GF), but that'd still be quite difficult, IMO. We could end up with ridiculous things like a Steel-Poison Type using Draco Meteor >_>

I guess we'll just have to trust each other =]

Thunderhorse · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:30:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

Has any pokemon design made by a fan been ever used by GameFreak but modified?

I'm not 100% certain about this, but I'm pretty sure I heard some time ago that Luvdisc was designed by a fan. Don't quote me on that though. I'm sure there are many other members here who're more knowledgeable about that.

On topic though, this sounds pretty fun. Not sure if it would go over well in a tournament situation, but it just sounds like something cool to do just for kicks. It might be the only time I'll ever get to see a Fire/Dragon combination in some form or another (since it's such an obvious type combination, I'm sure if Gamefreak wanted to make one, they'd have already done so by now).

ShogunOfHarlem · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:33:38 PM

I'd vote.

Steel/Dark ftw.

It'd be an evil washing machine :3

**Mario With Lasers** · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:49:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Fiyaaaah!

All it really did was change Overheat's type to Dragon. I wouldn't consider that creative, personally.

...Oh yeah. Well, maybe the name's criativity?

But a special Dragon Dance would be way better, anyway.

Oh, and why don't you start with the most obvious fan-made pokémon... FARFETCH'D EVO!

Saturn · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:51:58 PM

I vote yes as well. Simply imagine all the wondorous [stalling] pokemon we could create, that would really kick [offensive play's] ass! I am quite interested in this sort of project.

Chawla · Nov 27th, 2007, 4:56:22 PM

A pokemon with one base stats in everything! Or an evolution of Arceus.

Gothic Togekiss · Nov 27th, 2007, 5:02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Chawla

A pokemon with one base stats in everything! Or an evolution of Arceus.

If Arceus evolve in anyway the fibric of space and time will rip away and existance itself will be no more.

Davy · Nov 27th, 2007, 5:05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gothic Togekiss

If Arceus evolve in anyway the fibric of space and time will rip away and existance itself will be no more.

If arceus evolved it would have like 200 base in every stat, same ability as arceus and it would get its own tier.

View Poll Results: Would You Actively Participate in the Smogon "Create a Pokemon" Program?
Yes, I will vote whenever I can	156	86.19%
No, this idea is stupid/premature, as are you	25	13.81%
Voters: 181. You may not vote on this poll

Nov 27th, 2007, 12:00:17 PM	#1
Cooper Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,806 The sunny streets of Santa Barbara	Smogon's 1st "Create a Pokemon" Alright, so I've been giving this idea a lot of thought lately. A lot of the sites that I've frequented in my life have had variants of this (gameFAQs character battle, Magic's months long card creating), but what they have in common is that regular posters decide on what is created. After realizing that, I figured "Why can't smogon have one of these as well?" Perhaps the reason is that no one has ever done it in a concise and organized matter. There have been several failed attempts in the past, and those usually involved noobs posting how they wanted legal WonderTombs, and doing this when the metagame was still being decided. But now that individual pokemon discussions are winding down and Ubers, OU, and BL have pretty much been decided (as far as I know), i figure it's the perfect time to bust this out. How it will work is this: Every 3-7 days (to be decided after popularity of the program is determined), you will vote on a particular aspect of a pokemon (type, ability, etc.) Those votes will be recorded at the end of the voting period and will be incorporated into future relevant polls When everything has been decided, the resulting pokemon will be poasted. I'm not sure if there's a way to send the product to GameFreak, but if there is, I'm all for doing it These are tentative rules, of course. If anyone wants to offer their assistance to me, as I'm sure this will be somewhat taxing, I'm all for it. However, I don't intend to start this program immediately, as I need to compile any information required in birthing a brand new pokemon. So what I'm asking today is, if such as program is allowed to happen, would you actively partcipate? Active partcipation by smogoners is the only way this is going to happen. If it's too early for something like this to happen, I apologize and invite mods to lock this thread down. But if you do allow it, I'll also need your help in deleting expired polls. Thank you for your consideration. Last edited by Cooper; Nov 27th, 2007 at 11:11:57 PM.

Nov 27th, 2007, 12:30:19 PM	#2
futuresuperstar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 556 Los Angeles, CA	Yeah, definitely. To be honest, I have always had a little part of me that would love to see a fantasy league consisting of nothing but Pokemon the community has created. Of course, this would require a certain level of balance, but I think Smogon could pull it off. I may be getting off-topic here, but imagine this: an entire generation, one could say, of Smokemon -- wow, that was incredibly lame, but you know what I mean -- created by the community and balanced with stats, types, sprites, move-sets, and the like. We could stray away from new moves, if we wanted, or could add a few if we wished to give a signature move or two to some "legendaries" (special-oriented Dragon Dance, anyone?). Same with abilities. We could even finally give a Pokemon in the overused meta-game the ability Drought or Drizzle, if we so desired. The point is that with around one hundred created Pokemon, we could have our own fantasy league with them, and then, in the ultimate test, with them infused into the actual fortified meta-game. I am certainly aware that this would take a few months, not just in planning and execution of the Pokemon, but in the programming of these Pokemon to function in a Shoddy Battle-environment. I really do think it could be done, though. Perhaps it is wishful thinking, but I think if a moderator here really decided to do this right, we could get it going. Sprites would really be the only "hard" thing to pull off, but with the amount of sprite editing I have seen on this site I wouldn't be surprised if some people were up to the task. As for the topic's original point, yes, I do think that a community-driven creation of a single Pokemon would be a great idea, and I am all for it. __________________ Women came and went, but Metal Gear was forever.

Nov 27th, 2007, 1:18:26 PM	#4
futuresuperstar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 556 Los Angeles, CA	It could always be a more realistic number. Even starting at twenty could be interesting. __________________ Women came and went, but Metal Gear was forever.

Nov 27th, 2007, 3:44:16 PM	#13
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,486 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	Wait....Draco Meteor's name came from a fan, what the hell?!? I alway thought GameFreak couldn't take ideas from fandom...or was that something else. Has any pokemon design made by a fan been ever used by GameFreak but modified? __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?*

Nov 27th, 2007, 1:00:54 PM	#3
Pikachu of Doom Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 766 Bucks, UK	It would be an interesting tournament that's for sure although designing 100+ pokemon would be a bit of a feat.

Nov 27th, 2007, 3:02:21 PM	#6
Demonz Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 122 Washington State, USA	I'd vote whenever I can.

Nov 27th, 2007, 3:16:47 PM	#7
Great Sage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,875 Boston, MA	I really wouldn't want to participate in this, because it would be rampant with useless subjectivity over something that won't make an impact in the grand scheme of things. Besides, it could perfectly well lead to some ridiculous debates over the most insignificant things.

Nov 27th, 2007, 3:17:10 PM	#8
Fiyaaaah! Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 61	I'd vote as often as I could. Are we also considering evolving existing Pokemon, such as Eevee? (I'd really like to see a Ghost- or Steel-type, myself.)

Nov 27th, 2007, 3:34:06 PM	#11
XtrEEmMaShEEn3k2 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 409	Hey, Draco Meteor was invented by a fan wasn't it?

Nov 27th, 2007, 3:44:26 PM	#14
xBLUEx Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 464 New York	i'd vote. this looks like fun. __________________ Pokémon Diamond Friend Code: 2535 0156 0895 Pokémon Platinum Friend Code: 5456 5370 2766 Pokémon SoulSilver Friend Code: 3481 5203 3275 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Friend Code: 3909 7393 3609 Use Platinum Friend Code for battles and trades

Nov 27th, 2007, 4:20:20 PM	#16
Shelcario Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,421	I'd participate in this kind of thing because I'd like to see new creative type combos and new evolutions of pokemon such as Sableye. Great Idea:)

Nov 27th, 2007, 4:26:28 PM	#18
Suburvia Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 216 Canada	I voted yes. This could be fun, and I think we'll probably end up with a pretty good Pokemon in the end =] The thing I'm wondering is how would we decide its movepool? Of course, we'd only really need to include useable moves (but a whole movepool if we ever desired to show GF), but that'd still be quite difficult, IMO. We could end up with ridiculous things like a Steel-Poison Type using Draco Meteor >_> I guess we'll just have to trust each other =]

Nov 27th, 2007, 4:33:38 PM	#20
ShogunOfHarlem Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 76	I'd vote. Steel/Dark ftw. It'd be an evil washing machine :3

Nov 27th, 2007, 4:51:58 PM	#22
Saturn Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Team Galactic HQ	I vote yes as well. Simply imagine all the wondorous [stalling] pokemon we could create, that would really kick [offensive play's] ass! I am quite interested in this sort of project. __________________ Team Galactic Leader Saturn Building a NEW* Team Galactic!* *Everybody should view things on a galactic scale!*

Nov 27th, 2007, 4:56:22 PM	#23
Chawla Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 821 Compton	A pokemon with one base stats in everything! Or an evolution of Arceus. __________________ FC: 4038 - 2502 - 4143