Six Move Battling

Relados · Jul 29th, 2012, 1:16:35 PM

NOTE: This style of battling, as far as I know, is only possible in Pokemon Showdown!'s Custom Game mode, and cannot be done ingame without massive hacking.

Special thanks to Mr. Uncompetitive/ThisMysteriousGuy for introducing this to me.

Ever get annoyed that you're limited to a measly four moveslots for your powerful pokemon? Six move battling eliminates that restraint, allowing 6 moves per pokemon.

RULES
This can be played in any tier.

So far, tierings are the same as regular play.

All rules are the same as the standard tier this is being played in.

The power of some pokemon in tiers is still being tested. If a pokemon proves too strong with six moves for a tier it will be moved to another. Any changes to pokemon's tiering in this style of play will be posted here.

Needless to say, allowing six moves can make many pokemon far more viable in competitive play, changing the metagame in various ways.

Making your team
In Pokemon Showdown:
Go to Pokemon Showdown! and access the teambuilder.

Create your team, with 4 legal moves in each pokemon's normal movesets.

Once you are finished with your team with four moves, click the import/export button.

In each pokemon's text, add two extra legal moves to their movesets, using the same format (for example, to add Ice Punch you would add "- Ice Punch").

After finished adding moves to your pokemon, save the team as you would normally.

To battle with it, you must challenge another player and choose "Custom Game" as your format.

Remember, all moves must be legal!

Please post any thoughts or suggestions on certain pokemon's power in their tier. This still has yet to be properly tested.

Avatar Korra · Jul 29th, 2012, 1:24:20 PM

Ooh this looks like it would be really interesting to play.

Pokemon with 4 moveslot syndrome like Lucario will get much better. Having access to elemental punches, as well as Swords Dance, CC and Extremespeed will be awesome.

Even in Ubers, I can see certain Pokemon like Rayquaza to get a much needed boost. (boosting, dragon, fire, eq, espeed)
Thundurus wants Taunt, Thunder Wave, Nasty Plot, Thunderbolt, HP [Ice] and Focus Blast

Oh wow the possibilities are endless...

***Birkal**** · Jul 29th, 2012, 1:25:56 PM

Yeah, definitely gonna try this out; I've always wondered which Pokemon would rise to the top when they got over their 4MSS. Dragonite with Roost / Substitute / Dragon Dance / Outrage / Fire Punch / Earthquake yeah ok making this team right now bbl

Relados · Jul 29th, 2012, 1:30:55 PM

I still don't know how the metagame would play out in this. In a tournament with this style we all were saying stall tactics would be less used in this play in favor of more capable sweepers, and then some people come in with Blissey and Deoxys-D to ruin everyone's day.

Avatar Korra · Jul 29th, 2012, 1:39:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Relados

I still don't know how the metagame would play out in this. In a tournament with this style we all were saying stall tactics would be less used in this play in favor of more capable sweepers, and then some people come in with Blissey and Deoxys-D to ruin everyone's day.

I can see so many annoying stall Pokemon become even more annoying.

Blissey with Wish, Protect, Heal Bell, Sismic Toss, Status, another status?

Whimsicott could have: Taunt, Torment, Subseed, Cotton Guard, Stun Spore, Swagger at least.

Ferrothorn wants Protect / Stealth Rock / Spikes / Leech Seed / Power Whip / Gyro Ball and Swords Dance or Curse

Jeez...

Also, this topic made me remember this comic from a while ago;

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Itchni · Jul 29th, 2012, 1:43:34 PM

Infernape would become a god among pokemon with 6 moveslots

so would starmie.

~~BattleStar~~ · Jul 29th, 2012, 2:00:38 PM

This seems like an extremely enjoyable tier and I really hope it's successful. I right now am just thinking of all the pokemom that would be great in this. Stalling also could be taken to a whole new level. I am intersted in making a stall team with lucky chant so even the hope of critical hits won't stop me.

Novaray · Jul 29th, 2012, 2:09:29 PM

Lucario with Swords Dance / Extremespeed / Bullet Punch / Ice Punch / Crunch / Close Combat is what I'm thinking

jackm · Jul 29th, 2012, 2:35:34 PM

Oh god, Gliscor with Roost/Protect/Substitute/Earthquake/Ice Fang/Toxic.

Palkia would kick ass in Ubers with Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Surf/Thunder/Substitute/Focus Punch and a Life Orb. It hits everything but Deoxys, Mewtwo, and Thundurus for Super-Effective Damage, assuming neutral weather.

Zentrius · Jul 29th, 2012, 2:36:02 PM

Gliscor with Roost / Earthquake / Ice Fang / Toxic / Substite / Protect seems pretty beastly.

EDIT: Ninja'd, lol.

Relados · Jul 29th, 2012, 2:51:54 PM

I tried that Gliscor thing. It didn't turn out as well as you'd think, with Venusaur in sun taking the chance to switch in.

DarkBlazeR · Jul 29th, 2012, 2:54:40 PM

Speaking of Venusaur, Sleep Powder / Growth / Giga Drain / HP Fire / Sludge Bomb / Earthquake sounds amazing.

Orivexes · Jul 29th, 2012, 6:34:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat DarkBlazeR

Speaking of Venusaur, Sleep Powder / Growth / Giga Drain / HP Fire / Sludge Bomb / Earthquake sounds amazing.

I actually tried that exact set against Mr. Uncompetitive after he introduced the format to me. It's a blast, and though it still has a few little teensy issues with Dragonite, it's an amazing set.

Speaking of Dragonite, I've been wrecked by Dragonites and Gyradoses in this format in their Dragon Dance varieties. Setup sweepers are suddenly super-important, as their ability to carry more coverage makes them immesurably more useful than the instant power of something like a Band or Specs.

There's a lot less switching here too--definitely due to the ability to carry tons of coverage. Has anyone tried anything related to a stall team?

Electrolyte · Jul 29th, 2012, 7:03:52 PM

Wow, your ideas, Rel, they are amazing

Yep, Stall is definitely going to kick ass. Baton Pass, too. What with Smeargle and Agility / Iron Defense / Amnesia / Nasty Plot / Baton Pass / Spore passing to an Espeon with Stored Power. What the hell, totally have to try this

**NixHex** · Jul 29th, 2012, 9:25:54 PM

I'm thinking Starmie @ Life Orb / Choice Scarf
-Hydro Pump
-Psyshock
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Fire
-Rapid Spin / Recover / Trick

Finally, a whack metagame that's playable on a sim. I was ready to lock this when I saw the title but I had no clue you could do this. Is it possible to do multiple items/abilities?

Relados · Jul 29th, 2012, 9:53:40 PM

Electrolyte, credit goes to Mr. Uncompetitive. It was his idea, after all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat NixHex

Is it possible to do multiple items/abilities?

So far as I know, no.

AJC · Jul 29th, 2012, 11:28:02 PM

shadowball/focus blast/t-bolt/sub/disable/wisp gengar

DTC · Jul 29th, 2012, 11:41:21 PM

Hey, I first brought this up on Pokemon Showdown! =P (wilde32 was the first one iirc who actually found this out though with his insane 80+ move Cresselia)

Having 6 moveslots is really useful for a lot of Pokemon. I think I'll make a team soon after some theorymon'ing. SD Breloom seems really promising as it can use all of Spore / Swords Dance / Bullet Seed / Mach Punch / Low Sweep / Stone Edge.

I kind of doubt that stall will be very good. A lot of wallbreakers and sweepers are much better with extra moveslots. A lot of walls however can't abuse the two extra moveslots as well.

Elveman · Jul 30th, 2012, 6:33:19 AM

Maybe Hydreigon with Draco Meteor/Dark Pulse/Fire Blast/Surf/Focus Blast/Earth Power?
That pokemon should cripple walls such as Heatran and T-tar and work dependless of weather.

More Cowbell · Jul 30th, 2012, 7:10:41 AM

Alakazam usually needs the coverage, but now you can try Sub / Calm Mind / Psychic / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball / Encore. Alakazam has a fast Encore which can shut out set-up sweepers, and it can also run SubCM without risking less coverage. You can maybe even add Psyshock instead of Encore, to make Alakazam more able against Blissey and the likes.

Also, Zangoose usually has to choose between either Quick Attack to finish off sweepers or Night Slash for Ghosts, but that isn't a problem now. Substitute / Swords Dance / Return / Close Combat / Quick Attack / Night Slash. You have most of your coverage options, a priority attack, Sub and a boosting move. BW2 tutors also give Zangoose the three elemental punches, which can be used for coverage as well. Zangoose may be NU, but after a Swords Dance it boasts some devastating offensive prowess.

Groombridge · Jul 30th, 2012, 7:33:21 AM

Getting closer to my ideal Mew moveset of Boltbeam / Edgequake / Subpunch / Resttalk.

Mew becomes incredible in this scenario, able to set up itself, Taunt other setups and pass boosts.

You could even drop Flamethrower for Softboiled and Taunt for Sub, and go bulky pass/offence.

It could become the ultimate baton passer too: BP with Calm Mind, Bulk Up and Rock Polish, backed up with Taunt and Softboiled. Only Prankster Taunts would stop it setting up. Maybe throw Sub in there to protect against Dragon Tail, and have fun passing +6 Atk, Def and Spe plus a Sub to Dragonite or whatever.

So many options - it's a shame that Mew has such a case of 6MSS.

Mew @ Life Orb/Leftovers

-Nasty Plot
-Psyshock
-Aura Sphere
-Flamethrower
-Taunt
-Baton Pass

ThisMysteriousGuy · Jul 30th, 2012, 9:04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat NixHex

Is it possible to do multiple items/abilities?

My friend, Happythetaco, who originally told me you can have more than 4 moves, had a test battle with me to see if it's possible.
If you try to have 2 items, only 1 is kept and the other item goes to the nickname, AND the pokemon takes the appearance of a Bulbasaur. For example, in the test match, a Magikarp had a Life Orb and a Leftovers. It held a Life Orb, took the appearance of a Bulbasaur (but it would still be a Magikarp) and it would be nicknamed "Magikarp @ Leftovers".
If you try to have multiple abilities, you'll only have 1 ability and the extra abilities will get deleted from import/export. A while back, I also tried to see if you could have more than 6 Pokemon, but the result was the same as Taco's test of multiple abilities, only 6 Pokemon showed and the others got deleted.

...So to put it simply, no you can't.

Dusk209 · Jul 30th, 2012, 3:02:51 PM

I'm gonna have a ton of fun with this... Here are a few sets I thought of.

Espeon @ Leftovers
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Morning Sun
- Stored Power
- Shadow Ball
- Reflect

Dragonite @ Leftovers
- Substitute
- Roost
- Protect
- Thunder Wave
- Dragon Tail
- Fire Punch

Haxorus @ Life Orb
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Dual Chop
- Superpower
- Earthquake

It's too bad though, it's really hard to find anyone to battle on PS. I guess that's normal when it comes to hipster metagames. Maybe we could arrange a tournament of some sort?

Relados · Jul 30th, 2012, 3:16:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Dusk209

It's too bad though, it's really hard to find anyone to battle on PS. I guess that's normal when it comes to hipster metagames. Maybe we could arrange a tournament of some sort?

I'll do my best to organize these every so often. They really change the metagame though, making those with diverse movepools an absolute must.

Skill Swap · Jul 30th, 2012, 3:36:55 PM

wow, this can let me stall even better

Jul 29th, 2012, 1:16:35 PM	#1
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	Six Move Battling NOTE: This style of battling, as far as I know, is only possible in Pokemon Showdown!'s Custom Game mode, and cannot be done ingame without massive hacking. Special thanks to Mr. Uncompetitive/ThisMysteriousGuy for introducing this to me. Ever get annoyed that you're limited to a measly four moveslots for your powerful pokemon? Six move battling eliminates that restraint, allowing 6 moves per pokemon. RULES This can be played in any tier. So far, tierings are the same as regular play. All rules are the same as the standard tier this is being played in. The power of some pokemon in tiers is still being tested. If a pokemon proves too strong with six moves for a tier it will be moved to another. Any changes to pokemon's tiering in this style of play will be posted here. Needless to say, allowing six moves can make many pokemon far more viable in competitive play, changing the metagame in various ways. Making your team In Pokemon Showdown: Go to Pokemon Showdown! and access the teambuilder. Create your team, with 4 legal moves in each pokemon's normal movesets. Once you are finished with your team with four moves, click the import/export button. In each pokemon's text, add two extra legal moves to their movesets, using the same format (for example, to add Ice Punch you would add "- Ice Punch"). After finished adding moves to your pokemon, save the team as you would normally. To battle with it, you must challenge another player and choose "Custom Game" as your format. Remember, all moves must be legal! Please post any thoughts or suggestions on certain pokemon's power in their tier. This still has yet to be properly tested. Last edited by Relados; Jan 15th, 2013 at 11:11:21 PM. Reason: Fixing the Debug Mode to Custom Game that Zarel missed

Jul 29th, 2012, 1:25:56 PM	#3
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,988 The Mentor	Yeah, definitely gonna try this out; I've always wondered which Pokemon would rise to the top when they got over their 4MSS. Dragonite with Roost / Substitute / Dragon Dance / Outrage / Fire Punch / Earthquake yeah ok making this team right now bbl __________________

Jul 29th, 2012, 1:43:34 PM	#6
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	Infernape would become a god among pokemon with 6 moveslots so would starmie. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Jul 29th, 2012, 2:09:29 PM	#8
Novaray i am happy Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,134 that's just the saddest lie Mentor	Lucario with Swords Dance / Extremespeed / Bullet Punch / Ice Punch / Crunch / Close Combat is what I'm thinking __________________ island in the sun

Jul 29th, 2012, 7:03:52 PM	#14
Electrolyte Cause you keep me coming back for more Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,040 And I feel a little better than I did before Mentor	Wow, your ideas, Rel, they are amazing Yep, Stall is definitely going to kick ass. Baton Pass, too. What with Smeargle and Agility / Iron Defense / Amnesia / Nasty Plot / Baton Pass / Spore passing to an Espeon with Stored Power. What the hell, totally have to try this __________________ Stuff (Click!): l l l l l l l l l VM me for an OU / LC team rate! MURKBRO MAFIA

Jul 29th, 2012, 1:24:20 PM	#2
Avatar Korra Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 197 Maryland	Ooh this looks like it would be really interesting to play. Pokemon with 4 moveslot syndrome like Lucario will get much better. Having access to elemental punches, as well as Swords Dance, CC and Extremespeed will be awesome. Even in Ubers, I can see certain Pokemon like Rayquaza to get a much needed boost. (boosting, dragon, fire, eq, espeed) Thundurus wants Taunt, Thunder Wave, Nasty Plot, Thunderbolt, HP [Ice] and Focus Blast Oh wow the possibilities are endless...

Jul 29th, 2012, 1:30:55 PM	#4
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	I still don't know how the metagame would play out in this. In a tournament with this style we all were saying stall tactics would be less used in this play in favor of more capable sweepers, and then some people come in with Blissey and Deoxys-D to ruin everyone's day.

Jul 29th, 2012, 2:00:38 PM	#7
~~BattleStar~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 629 In a desert far away.	This seems like an extremely enjoyable tier and I really hope it's successful. I right now am just thinking of all the pokemom that would be great in this. Stalling also could be taken to a whole new level. I am intersted in making a stall team with lucky chant so even the hope of critical hits won't stop me.

Jul 29th, 2012, 2:35:34 PM	#9
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	Oh god, Gliscor with Roost/Protect/Substitute/Earthquake/Ice Fang/Toxic. Palkia would kick ass in Ubers with Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Surf/Thunder/Substitute/Focus Punch and a Life Orb. It hits everything but Deoxys, Mewtwo, and Thundurus for Super-Effective Damage, assuming neutral weather.

Jul 29th, 2012, 2:36:02 PM	#10
Zentrius Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 92 "And then the entire population was staring at her, like she was some sort of freak monster ..."	Gliscor with Roost / Earthquake / Ice Fang / Toxic / Substite / Protect seems pretty beastly. EDIT: Ninja'd, lol.

Jul 29th, 2012, 2:51:54 PM	#11
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	I tried that Gliscor thing. It didn't turn out as well as you'd think, with Venusaur in sun taking the chance to switch in.

Jul 29th, 2012, 2:54:40 PM	#12
DarkBlazeR Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 346	Speaking of Venusaur, Sleep Powder / Growth / Giga Drain / HP Fire / Sludge Bomb / Earthquake sounds amazing.

Jul 29th, 2012, 11:28:02 PM	#17
AJC Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,182	shadowball/focus blast/t-bolt/sub/disable/wisp gengar __________________ <Misty> NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH CHOICE BAND JIRACHI INQUISITION. <Surgo> when a man whips out a pink DS and pokemon, you know he's not afraid of anything. <capefeather> explosion got ruined by the bad economy

Jul 29th, 2012, 11:41:21 PM	#18
DTC Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,069 Mentor	Hey, I first brought this up on Pokemon Showdown! =P (wilde32 was the first one iirc who actually found this out though with his insane 80+ move Cresselia) Having 6 moveslots is really useful for a lot of Pokemon. I think I'll make a team soon after some theorymon'ing. SD Breloom seems really promising as it can use all of Spore / Swords Dance / Bullet Seed / Mach Punch / Low Sweep / Stone Edge. I kind of doubt that stall will be very good. A lot of wallbreakers and sweepers are much better with extra moveslots. A lot of walls however can't abuse the two extra moveslots as well. __________________ Pokemon Showdown! #pokemon

Jul 30th, 2012, 6:33:19 AM	#19
Elveman Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4 Moscow	Maybe Hydreigon with Draco Meteor/Dark Pulse/Fire Blast/Surf/Focus Blast/Earth Power? That pokemon should cripple walls such as Heatran and T-tar and work dependless of weather.

Jul 30th, 2012, 7:10:41 AM	#20
More Cowbell Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,057 Singing of the freedom of utopic space	Alakazam usually needs the coverage, but now you can try Sub / Calm Mind / Psychic / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball / Encore. Alakazam has a fast Encore which can shut out set-up sweepers, and it can also run SubCM without risking less coverage. You can maybe even add Psyshock instead of Encore, to make Alakazam more able against Blissey and the likes. Also, Zangoose usually has to choose between either Quick Attack to finish off sweepers or Night Slash for Ghosts, but that isn't a problem now. Substitute / Swords Dance / Return / Close Combat / Quick Attack / Night Slash. You have most of your coverage options, a priority attack, Sub and a boosting move. BW2 tutors also give Zangoose the three elemental punches, which can be used for coverage as well. Zangoose may be NU, but after a Swords Dance it boasts some devastating offensive prowess.

Jul 30th, 2012, 7:33:21 AM	#21
Groombridge Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 113	Getting closer to my ideal Mew moveset of Boltbeam / Edgequake / Subpunch / Resttalk. Mew becomes incredible in this scenario, able to set up itself, Taunt other setups and pass boosts. You could even drop Flamethrower for Softboiled and Taunt for Sub, and go bulky pass/offence. It could become the ultimate baton passer too: BP with Calm Mind, Bulk Up and Rock Polish, backed up with Taunt and Softboiled. Only Prankster Taunts would stop it setting up. Maybe throw Sub in there to protect against Dragon Tail, and have fun passing +6 Atk, Def and Spe plus a Sub to Dragonite or whatever. So many options - it's a shame that Mew has such a case of 6MSS. Mew @ Life Orb/Leftovers -Nasty Plot -Psyshock -Aura Sphere -Flamethrower -Taunt -Baton Pass __________________ Formerly d e u t e r o n o p i a UQM FTW Last edited by Groombridge; Jul 30th, 2012 at 11:34:47 AM.

Jul 30th, 2012, 3:02:51 PM	#23
Dusk209 No relation. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 149	I'm gonna have a ton of fun with this... Here are a few sets I thought of. Espeon @ Leftovers - Substitute - Calm Mind - Morning Sun - Stored Power - Shadow Ball - Reflect Dragonite @ Leftovers - Substitute - Roost - Protect - Thunder Wave - Dragon Tail - Fire Punch Haxorus @ Life Orb - Swords Dance - Dragon Dance - Outrage - Dual Chop - Superpower - Earthquake It's too bad though, it's really hard to find anyone to battle on PS. I guess that's normal when it comes to hipster metagames. Maybe we could arrange a tournament of some sort?

Jul 30th, 2012, 3:36:55 PM	#25
Skill Swap Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 15	wow, this can let me stall even better