Shaymin-S Vote

Aeolus · Dec 1st, 2008, 7:26:49 PM

Vote. You may post your reasoning if you like. It is not required.

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118 voters - 60 votes needed for a majority

Lady Bug · Dec 4th, 2008, 1:57:32 PM

Voted Uber.

Duskie · Dec 4th, 2008, 1:57:36 PM

Voted uber for obvious reasons.

**M Dragon** · Dec 4th, 2008, 1:58:13 PM

OU

Rag · Dec 4th, 2008, 1:58:55 PM

Voted Uber.

***RBG**** · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:02:30 PM

OU

Tangerine · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:04:21 PM

Voted OU.

There are enough checks around, that's for sure. Maybe people should actually learn to play a bit differently for Platinum instead of trying out what they did in DP!!!!

SpiritofSteel · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:05:58 PM

Voted uber because there are so little you can do to kill it.

gorm · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:07:54 PM

Whoa.

voted OU. like tangerine said, there are enough checks in the metagame for the subseed set, which is really imo the only problematic one.

sbc · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:11:12 PM

Voted OU, Skymin's luck factor is overstated and from laddering with it it changed the outcome of the battle about once in 50 games and was underwhelming for me. It is neither centralising and clearly not overpowered in my opinion and experience and thus I don't think it is uber.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Deskoe

You obviously haven't been screwed over by the hax it can cause..<_<

I have but I accept pokemon has a certain luck factor to it. Skymin is not unique in that sense.

Duskie · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SkarmBlissCounter

Voted OU, Skymin's luck factor is overstated and from laddering with it it changed the outcome of the battle about once in 50 games and was underwhelming for me. It is neither centralising and clearly not overpowered in my opinion and experience and thus I don't think it is uber.

You obviously haven't been screwed over by the hax it can cause..<_<

twash · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:13:01 PM

Voted OU.

Maniaclyrasist · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:13:40 PM

Voted Uber. Subseed is hardly a problematic set. Specs and LO are what cause the most trouble and I think the amount of luck involved with using and playing against Shaymin-S is a bit ridiculous, especially when you are at the mercy of the RNG to determine wheter you can "counter/check" it or not.

Imran · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:14:19 PM

voted OU, I havent ever found a need to really use it, I tested it out and found I didn't like relying on the luck. If I feel a want not to use it, theres no way I can vote it Uber.

TAY · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:14:34 PM

Even though I hate this thing with a passion that outdoes my feelings towards all the previous suspects, I am voting OU.

remlabmez · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:15:46 PM

Voted Uber

Hocotate · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:16:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TAY

Even though I hate this thing with a passion that outdoes my feelings towards all the previous suspects, I am voting OU.

Same as TAY. I really want to vote Uber, but in the end I think it comes up short.

Aeolus · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:17:10 PM

OU

B-Lulz · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:18:59 PM

Accidently voted OU when I wanted to vote Uber. I'm a nub sometimes...anyway please change it if possible.

fede125955 · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:21:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Maniaclyrasist

Voted Uber. Subseed is hardly a problematic set. Specs and LO are what cause the most trouble and I think the amount of luck involved with using and playing against Shaymin-S is a bit ridiculous, especially when you are at the mercy of the RNG to determine wheter you can "counter/check" it or not.

same here

Pablo · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:22:01 PM

OU by far.

Lutra · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:25:24 PM

I vote Skymin to be not uber (OU) - simply because it only has a choice of four moves. If it had 5, then maybe so; but with only four moves, there is bound to be one pokemon in a team which can effectively counter the given set. And if there isn't, it wouldn't require too much centralisation to form a counter triangle to enable a team to counter it. On top of that, it has no strategy while substituting that could proceed to break the opponent's team apart. I believe its hax potential is not high enough to achieve this also. And of course, it can be damaged by Stealth Rock - which is present in most teams.

Seiken Enhasa · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:29:26 PM

OU.

Philip7086 · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:34:28 PM

lol, 10 bucks says that once this thing's officially OU, everybody will make Skymin-based teams. I honestly feel that the only reason it's usage stats were so low, is cause most of us didn't want to waste our time making a team that would turn obsolete (if voted uber). I am going to lol so hard at the metagame that will ensue if the voting trend stays the same as it is right now.

Voted Uber

EeveeTrainer · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:37:02 PM

Skymin does not come close to the level of sheer uncounterability seen in such previous metagame threats as Garchomp and Manaphy. Even a simple Skarmory, with its measly 176 Special Defense, can often force Skymin out. Additionally, its PP is very quickly drained by the likes of one of its major switch-ins, Zapdos. The Life Orb set is worn down in no time, especially in Sandstorm/Hail, more especially by Stealth Rock, and even further especially with Substitute.

The most fearsome form of Skymin, in my opinion, is the SubSeeder, but it isn't necessarily any better at this job than Sceptile; its 100 base HP versus Sceptile's 70 actually works against it with Leech Seed recovery being unable to restore enough HP to offset 85-101 HP Substitutes. And, like Sceptile, the SubSeeder tends to be easily walled with only two attacks.

While Skymin can be annoying, that's not enough to force it to Uber. I voted OU because of its relative ease to counter.

View Poll Results: Shaymin-S
OU	56	48.70%
Uber	59	51.30%
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Dec 1st, 2008, 7:26:49 PM	#1
Aeolus Bag Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,636 St. Louis	Shaymin-S Vote Vote. You may post your reasoning if you like. It is not required. BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU VOTE. I'M NOT CHANGING ANY VOTES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CLICK THE CORRECT DAMN BOX! ALL VOTERS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THIS FORUM. IF YOU WERE OVERLOOKED, PM ME FAST BEFORE VOTING ENDS. 118 voters - 60 votes needed for a majority Last edited by Aeolus; Dec 8th, 2008 at 12:46:43 PM.

Dec 4th, 2008, 1:58:13 PM	#4
M Dragon The north wind Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,166	OU __________________

Dec 4th, 2008, 1:58:55 PM	#5
Rag Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 458	Voted Uber. __________________ Chispas vanillatea

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:07:54 PM	#9
gorm Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,191 ½gone	Whoa. voted OU. like tangerine said, there are enough checks in the metagame for the subseed set, which is really imo the only problematic one. __________________ pretentious like a 7th son infectious like h1n1

Dec 4th, 2008, 1:57:32 PM	#2
Lady Bug NO! Goofball is the piece of shit. ANGRY TARIQ OUT Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,084	Voted Uber.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:02:30 PM	#6
*RBG It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. Super Moderator** Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,236 Home: Goshen Scout Reservation	OU

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:04:21 PM	#7
Tangerine Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,133	Voted OU. There are enough checks around, that's for sure. Maybe people should actually learn to play a bit differently for Platinum instead of trying out what they did in DP!!!!

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:05:58 PM	#8
SpiritofSteel Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4	Voted uber because there are so little you can do to kill it.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:13:01 PM	#12
twash A kiki is a party, for calming all your nerves. ♥ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,311	Voted OU. __________________ We knew all the answers and we shouted them like anthems

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:13:40 PM	#13
Maniaclyrasist custom user title of doom!!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,692 Florida.	Voted Uber. Subseed is hardly a problematic set. Specs and LO are what cause the most trouble and I think the amount of luck involved with using and playing against Shaymin-S is a bit ridiculous, especially when you are at the mercy of the RNG to determine wheter you can "counter/check" it or not. Last edited by Maniaclyrasist; Dec 4th, 2008 at 2:16:13 PM.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:14:19 PM	#14
Imran Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,290 33 / 38 / 28	voted OU, I havent ever found a need to really use it, I tested it out and found I didn't like relying on the luck. If I feel a want not to use it, theres no way I can vote it Uber. __________________ Possibly the most interesting thread on Smogon .Bored of having to type coherantly? <LegacyRaider> it just feels nice to be able to whack that thing lol FRIGGIN IDIOTS OF A NATIONS If you are where I am, I'll give you my crsid and we can go to a pub or something :) I make music, please take a listen if you are that way inclined. Here is my Soundcloud and my Youtube.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:14:34 PM	#15
TAY You and I Know Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,542 San Diego, CA	Even though I hate this thing with a passion that outdoes my feelings towards all the previous suspects, I am voting OU. __________________ ...said the Mock Turtle, "why, if a fish came to me, and told me he was going a journey, I should say 'With what porpoise?'" "Don't you mean 'purpose'?" said Alice. "I mean what I say," the Mock Turtle replied in an offended tone. And the Gryphon added `Come, let's hear some of your adventures.'

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:17:10 PM	#18
Aeolus Bag Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,636 St. Louis	OU

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:22:01 PM	#21
Pablo Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,006 The Art of Lorak's Oasis	OU by far.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:25:24 PM	#22
Lutra Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 121 England	I vote Skymin to be not uber (OU) - simply because it only has a choice of four moves. If it had 5, then maybe so; but with only four moves, there is bound to be one pokemon in a team which can effectively counter the given set. And if there isn't, it wouldn't require too much centralisation to form a counter triangle to enable a team to counter it. On top of that, it has no strategy while substituting that could proceed to break the opponent's team apart. I believe its hax potential is not high enough to achieve this also. And of course, it can be damaged by Stealth Rock - which is present in most teams.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:29:26 PM	#23
Seiken Enhasa Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7 British Columbia	OU.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:34:28 PM	#24
Philip7086 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,965 Mentor	lol, 10 bucks says that once this thing's officially OU, everybody will make Skymin-based teams. I honestly feel that the only reason it's usage stats were so low, is cause most of us didn't want to waste our time making a team that would turn obsolete (if voted uber). I am going to lol so hard at the metagame that will ensue if the voting trend stays the same as it is right now. Voted Uber

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:37:02 PM	#25
EeveeTrainer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 722 New York, NY	Skymin does not come close to the level of sheer uncounterability seen in such previous metagame threats as Garchomp and Manaphy. Even a simple Skarmory, with its measly 176 Special Defense, can often force Skymin out. Additionally, its PP is very quickly drained by the likes of one of its major switch-ins, Zapdos. The Life Orb set is worn down in no time, especially in Sandstorm/Hail, more especially by Stealth Rock, and even further especially with Substitute. The most fearsome form of Skymin, in my opinion, is the SubSeeder, but it isn't necessarily any better at this job than Sceptile; its 100 base HP versus Sceptile's 70 actually works against it with Leech Seed recovery being unable to restore enough HP to offset 85-101 HP Substitutes. And, like Sceptile, the SubSeeder tends to be easily walled with only two attacks. While Skymin can be annoying, that's not enough to force it to Uber. I voted OU because of its relative ease to counter. __________________ http://7dias7noches.net/images/american-flag-icon.jpg http://www.iaza.com/work/120608C/iaza16000837811900.gif http://7dias7noches.net/images/american-flag-icon.jpg Sceptemboar 11, 2001. NEVER FORGET. http://i53.tinypic.com/1q2yh4.gif Last edited by EeveeTrainer; Dec 4th, 2008 at 9:38:02 PM.