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basically my idea is that we would hyperlink when pokemon are introduced in an analysis, (not including the original mon). ive taken empoleon's first para of first set and first para of counters for example:



Despite its defensively leaning stats, Empoleon's primary role is as a threatening late game sweeper. Using this set is fairly simple: bring Empoleon in on one of the 12 types of attacks it resists, Agility on the switch, and then use Substitute until Petaya Berry activates, increasing Empoleon's Special Attack stat to 529. With Torrent active, the power of Surf will be further multiplied by 1.5, allowing Empoleon to muscle through even Pokémon that resist Water-type attacks. As a bonus, Empoleon resists nearly every priority move in the game, including 4x resistances to the wildly popular Bullet Punch (Scizor) and Ice Shard (Mamoswine and Weavile). These key resistances ensure that Empoleon's sweep will likely not be ended by any priority attack short of Mach Punch or Vacuum Wave.

The SubPetaya set is perfectly counterable, but it's generally very easy for the opponent to wear the threats that stop it down. Tentacruel is the best counter as it absorbs the Toxic Spikes commonly run with Empoleon and can take even Torrent boosted Surfs all day, though it needs HP Electric (or Rest / Sleep Talk) to win. Calm Blissey with Seismic Toss or Thunderbolt does well, but don't send it in right away unless there's no Toxic Spikes support. Vaporeon doesn't take enough from Grass Knot to be walled by Empoleon and can heal itself. Latias is weak to Ice Beam, but if Empoleon has not yet received its Petaya boost, Latias can begin to Calm Mind against it and take less than half its health from Ice Beam, allowing it to alternate between Recover and Calm Mind and set up. The fact that Latias is immune to Toxic Spikes and takes neutral damage from Stealth Rock compounds it as a threat. STAB Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch can keep Empoleon in check from the likes of Lucario and Hitmontop. Hitmontop also has good Special Defense and Triple Kick. Lanturn is a brilliant counter in the same manner as Vaporeon but with the benefit of a STAB Thunderbolt. Other than that, it depends mostly on the move Empoleon runs in the fourth slot; Celebi can take it on without Ice Beam and most Water-types can without Grass Knot.
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here are the pros and cons:

pros:

- if a counter is mentioned, you can be immediately linked and look at how to deal with that pokemon
- saves time of retyping pokemon in the search function (which isn't always on top either, at least sometimes for me its not)
- assuming tabs were put into place, we could link straight to the certain tab from the analysis
- we could even expand this to types, to avoid having to put in a type and using disambiguation
- no need to scroll back up to type into search a certain pokemon.

cons:

- may be extremely time consuming, we would definitely need people to see this through
- possibly not enough demand for this, since yes you can just type up the pokemon/use search function
- blue text in an all pure black analysis may be distracting or annoying

i personally think this would be useful (especially once tabs come out) but i can see this being time consuming. thoughts on this?
 
I'm all for it. It would require work but its simple busy work, not thought-provoking work like writing the analysis.
 
Fully for this, was actually thinking of suggesting it myself. As an addition, it would be great to be able to link not to just the correct analysis, but to the correct set in the analysis (the few seconds saved may seem insignificant, but it helps users and if you think how many times it will save a few seconds it starts to look worthwhile), just like you can link to sections of guides.

And I'm pretty sure that the adding links could be automated without massive trouble if its wanted. Does add another thing for a programmer to do though.

And as for the last con, its quite easy to make black links if that's preferred stylistically. They could just be underlined to italic or something to make it noticeable without being distracting.
 
I was just thinking of this the other day. Definitly would be helpful.
For example, I don't play UU. I was trying to make a team with next to NO knowledge of the metagame. I had to look up a pokemon I didn't know about much, but I knew was a threat in UU based on stats. So I went to their page and saw a few pokemon as counters. But I also didn't know anything about them! So I of course had to search them all one by one and consider everything about them and their place in the game, and my team based on a description.

It would be much more convenient if I could have clicked them all open in a new tab and went between them all simultaneously to chose what to add to my team.

Maybe not the greatest reason for so much work, though. But I know it could be useful..
 
I think this is a great suggestion. There have been several occasions (like the one Logann described) where this would have been so helpful for me. Not only will it help semi-experienced players, it will help newer players even more. The only people I see not taking advantage of this would be the really experienced players who already know what they're doing and what's what, but they probably don't really use the strategy dex in the first place.

There is one thing I see that would need to be sorted out though. How often would a Pokemon's name be hyperlinked?
I can think of three options:
- Only the first time it is mentioned in the entire analysis.
- The first time it is mentioned in each set/section of the analysis.
- Every time it is mentioned in the analysis.

Personally, I think either of the last two would work, but I think that the third one would be best, especially if these have to be put in by hand. If people were only to hyperlink the first in each section, they would miss one because they think they already did it, or they would do one twice because they think didn't already do it. But then there is the time issue.
 
Blackhawk11 said:
I think this is a great suggestion. There have been several occasions (like the one Logann described) where this would have been so helpful for me. Not only will it help semi-experienced players, it will help newer players even more. The only people I see not taking advantage of this would be the really experienced players who already know what they're doing and what's what, but they probably don't really use the strategy dex in the first place.

There is one thing I see that would need to be sorted out though. How often would a Pokemon's name be hyperlinked?
I can think of three options:
- Only the first time it is mentioned in the entire analysis.
- The first time it is mentioned in each set/section of the analysis.
- Every time it is mentioned in the analysis.

Personally, I think either of the last two would work, but I think that the third one would be best, especially if these have to be put in by hand. If people were only to hyperlink the first in each section, they would miss one because they think they already did it, or they would do one twice because they think didn't already do it. But then there is the time issue.
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A problem with the last option is when some analyses have huge amounts of lists. The descriptions could be crammed full of links. If we waited on this until Project: Concise is done, that problem would be solved. Another possibility is to do this in conjunction with the project, and have the editors put in those links as they go.
 
I believe it was discussed on IRC that this would be easy to automate so hopefully no manual work (except for the programmers kind enough to do this).
 
Blackhawk101 said:
There is one thing I see that would need to be sorted out though. How often would a Pokemon's name be hyperlinked?
I can think of three options:
- Only the first time it is mentioned in the entire analysis.
- The first time it is mentioned in each set/section of the analysis.
- Every time it is mentioned in the analysis
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It would only be the first time that particular Pokemon is mentioned. Its like Wikipedia. They only hyperlink certain key words the first time it is mentioned on the page.
 
this is a great suggestion imo, but i am concerned about the last point - blue text in an all pure black analysis may be distracting or annoying.

i think a great compromise would be to only link to pokemon in the counters and team options sections. these two should include virtually everything from the rest of the article anyway, and all the links are kept in two small sections instead of scattered throughout the article.

of course, if it's easier for the programmers to just link the first mention anywhere, that's fine too. either way this should be implemented in some form
 
cons:

- may be extremely time consuming, we would definitely need people to see this through
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A bot should be able to EASILY do this. Quickly.

I think links should be included once per section, so you don't have to scroll up to get a link.

(tabs in the website aren't going to be tabs of different analyses on the same window that's just retarded)

Umbreon Dan said:
this is a great suggestion imo, but i am concerned about the last point - blue text in an all pure black analysis may be distracting or annoying.
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You find Wikipedia distracting and annoying?
 
In answer to your question Chris is me, that would actually be yes. I do find Wikipedia distracting and annoying because of those blue links.
 
to a certain extent, yes definitely. for example:

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wouldn't this look a hell of a lot nicer if the whole thing was solid black?
 
I don't know how you guys use the Internet then. Most web sites including vBulletin forms have blue links spliced into text here and there. If it really bothers you change your browser settings or something...
 
The problem with black text is that either you don't know the links are there if there's no underline because some people don't move their mouse over the analyses, or you have random underlining going on in the analysis, which doesn't make sense. Blue text makes it clear that it's a link to another page on Smogon (or in general).
 
i'm not proposing that links not be blue or anything; i'd just like them contained into counters and team options rather than spread throughout the article.
 
So the links are only in the counters section? Also, Supermarth has a point. If the links were black, then no one would be able to see them. So they should be at least underlined. Colouring will make the Pokemon's names stand out more really.
 
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