eric the espeon
maybe I just misunderstood
We've made large strides toward bringing the OU Speed Tiers entirely up to date with the current metagame, but there are still a few unused or non viable sets up and I'm sure there are plenty of somewhat important sets which should be added.
Please post Pokemon and sets that you think should be added or removed, preferably with a sentence or so of reasoning explaining why the Pokemon is threatening and common enough and should be added, or is not useful/used and should be removed. I or another C&C mod will edit the list of sets to add/remove with suggestions based on support and experience, and once they have been left for comment for a fair amount of time they will be edited into the on site speed tiers.
Most recent OU usage stats are here, detailed stats are here.
Posts expressing support for/disagreement with other people's posts are also encouraged.
Format:
Speed Stat / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature / Boost / Ev Investment
(for removals, you don't need to stick precisely to that format so long as it is clear which set you want removed)
To Add:
Possible additions:
358 / Rhyperior / 40 / Neutral / +2 / 252
524 / Metagross / 70 / +Speed / +2 / 252
HP Fire spreads (all common, maybe not on separate lines)
To Remove:
+1 Aerodactyl
Swellow (all sets)
Possible removals:
Charizard (all sets)
Medicham (all sets)
Mismagius (all sets)
+1 Suicune
Please post Pokemon and sets that you think should be added or removed, preferably with a sentence or so of reasoning explaining why the Pokemon is threatening and common enough and should be added, or is not useful/used and should be removed. I or another C&C mod will edit the list of sets to add/remove with suggestions based on support and experience, and once they have been left for comment for a fair amount of time they will be edited into the on site speed tiers.
Most recent OU usage stats are here, detailed stats are here.
Posts expressing support for/disagreement with other people's posts are also encouraged.
Format:
Speed Stat / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature / Boost / Ev Investment
(for removals, you don't need to stick precisely to that format so long as it is clear which set you want removed)
To Add:
Possible additions:
358 / Rhyperior / 40 / Neutral / +2 / 252
524 / Metagross / 70 / +Speed / +2 / 252
HP Fire spreads (all common, maybe not on separate lines)
To Remove:
+1 Aerodactyl
Swellow (all sets)
Possible removals:
Charizard (all sets)
Medicham (all sets)
Mismagius (all sets)
+1 Suicune
Thanks to Fuzznip for getting many of these into the right format from my post in small changes.
Added:
364 / Tyranitar / 61 / +Speed / +1 / 252
331 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / +1 / 252
525 / Latias / 110 / +Speed / +1 / 252
492 / Jirachi / 100 / +Speed / +1 / 252
328 / Jirachi / 100 / +Speed / +0 / 252
447 / Rotom-A / 86 / +Speed / +1 / 252
280 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / +0 / 216
308 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +0 / 216
289 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / +0 / 252
317 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +0 / 252
360 / Magnezone / 60 / +Speed / +1 / 252
177 / Magnezone / 60 / Neutral / +0 / 84
146 / Machamp / 55 / Neutral / +0 / 0
530 / Zapdos / 100 / Neutral / +2 / 116
403 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252
590 / Kingdra / 85 / +Speed / +2 / 252
538 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / +2 / 252
214 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / +0 / 232
428 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / +2 / 232
156 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / +0 / 0
116 / Forretress / 40 / Neutral / +0 / 0
104 / Forretress / 40 / -Speed / +0 / 0
388 / Togekiss / 80 / Neutral / +1 / 252
236 / Tentacruel / 100 / Neutral / +0 / 0
328 / Tentacruel / 100 / +Speed / +0 / 252
409 / Smeargle / 75 / +Speed / +1 / 252
130 / Hippowdon / 47 / Neutral / +0 / 0
690 / Ninjask / 160 / +Speed / +1 / 252
628 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / +1 / 252
239 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / +0 / 252
478 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 252
392 / Rhyperior / 40 / +Speed / +2 / 252
196 / Rhyperior / 40 / +Speed / +0 / 252
179 / Rhyperior / 40 / Neutral / +0 / 252
209 / Metagross / 70 / Neutral / +0 / 132
418 / Metagross / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 132
262 / Metagross / 70 / +Speed / +0 / 252
530 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +2 / 60
265 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +0 / 60
393 / Breloom / 70 / +Speed / +1 / 252
Azelf
-HP Fight
-Common Natures: +Spe
-Base Speed: 115
-Effective Speed: 360
Gengar
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 110
-Effective Speed: 349, 523 (Scarf)
Latias
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 110
-Effective Speed: 349, 523 (Scarf)
Magnezone
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 60
-Effective Speed: 239, 358 (Scarf)
Porygon-Z
-HP Fight
-Common Nature: Neutral, +Spe
-Base Speed: 90
-Effective Speed: 278 (Neutral), 417 (Neutral Scarf), 305 (+Spe), 457 (+Spe Scarf)
Raikou
-HP Fight
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 115
-Effective Speed: 360
Roserade
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 90
-Effective Speed: 305
Rotom-A
-HP Fight
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 86
-Effective Speed: 297, 445 (Scarf)
Sceptile (not a joke)
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 120
-Effective Speed: 371
Shaymin and Celebi
- HP Fire
- Common Natures: +Spe, +SpA/Neutral (may as well include SpA/Neutral because of Celebi, though Timid is better on Shaymin and seen more often)
- Base Speed: 100
- Effective Speed: 328, 298
Abomasnow
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 60
-Effective Speed: 239, 358 (Scarf)
Removed:
+1 Lucario
+1 Weavile
Slaking, Tauros, Espeon, Gardevoir, Zangoose, Blaziken, Purugly, Jynx, Leafeon, Houndoom, Drapion, Toxicroak, Rampardos, Marowak (all sets)
Neutral nature Electrode
223: +1 hits 334 Speed (no Chompy)
no speed Ludicolo
Other changes: PorygonZ to Porygon-Z
Added:
364 / Tyranitar / 61 / +Speed / +1 / 252
331 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / +1 / 252
525 / Latias / 110 / +Speed / +1 / 252
492 / Jirachi / 100 / +Speed / +1 / 252
328 / Jirachi / 100 / +Speed / +0 / 252
447 / Rotom-A / 86 / +Speed / +1 / 252
280 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / +0 / 216
308 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +0 / 216
289 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / +0 / 252
317 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +0 / 252
360 / Magnezone / 60 / +Speed / +1 / 252
177 / Magnezone / 60 / Neutral / +0 / 84
146 / Machamp / 55 / Neutral / +0 / 0
530 / Zapdos / 100 / Neutral / +2 / 116
403 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / +1 / 252
590 / Kingdra / 85 / +Speed / +2 / 252
538 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / +2 / 252
214 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / +0 / 232
428 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / +2 / 232
156 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / +0 / 0
116 / Forretress / 40 / Neutral / +0 / 0
104 / Forretress / 40 / -Speed / +0 / 0
388 / Togekiss / 80 / Neutral / +1 / 252
236 / Tentacruel / 100 / Neutral / +0 / 0
328 / Tentacruel / 100 / +Speed / +0 / 252
409 / Smeargle / 75 / +Speed / +1 / 252
130 / Hippowdon / 47 / Neutral / +0 / 0
690 / Ninjask / 160 / +Speed / +1 / 252
628 / Ninjask / 160 / Neutral / +1 / 252
239 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / +0 / 252
478 / Ludicolo / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 252
392 / Rhyperior / 40 / +Speed / +2 / 252
196 / Rhyperior / 40 / +Speed / +0 / 252
179 / Rhyperior / 40 / Neutral / +0 / 252
209 / Metagross / 70 / Neutral / +0 / 132
418 / Metagross / 70 / Neutral / +2 / 132
262 / Metagross / 70 / +Speed / +0 / 252
530 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +2 / 60
265 / Gliscor / 95 / +Speed / +0 / 60
393 / Breloom / 70 / +Speed / +1 / 252
Azelf
-HP Fight
-Common Natures: +Spe
-Base Speed: 115
-Effective Speed: 360
Gengar
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 110
-Effective Speed: 349, 523 (Scarf)
Latias
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 110
-Effective Speed: 349, 523 (Scarf)
Magnezone
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 60
-Effective Speed: 239, 358 (Scarf)
Porygon-Z
-HP Fight
-Common Nature: Neutral, +Spe
-Base Speed: 90
-Effective Speed: 278 (Neutral), 417 (Neutral Scarf), 305 (+Spe), 457 (+Spe Scarf)
Raikou
-HP Fight
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 115
-Effective Speed: 360
Roserade
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 90
-Effective Speed: 305
Rotom-A
-HP Fight
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 86
-Effective Speed: 297, 445 (Scarf)
Sceptile (not a joke)
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 120
-Effective Speed: 371
Shaymin and Celebi
- HP Fire
- Common Natures: +Spe, +SpA/Neutral (may as well include SpA/Neutral because of Celebi, though Timid is better on Shaymin and seen more often)
- Base Speed: 100
- Effective Speed: 328, 298
Abomasnow
-HP Fire
-Common Nature: +Spe
-Base Speed: 60
-Effective Speed: 239, 358 (Scarf)
Removed:
+1 Lucario
+1 Weavile
Slaking, Tauros, Espeon, Gardevoir, Zangoose, Blaziken, Purugly, Jynx, Leafeon, Houndoom, Drapion, Toxicroak, Rampardos, Marowak (all sets)
Neutral nature Electrode
223: +1 hits 334 Speed (no Chompy)
no speed Ludicolo
Other changes: PorygonZ to Porygon-Z