New OU List (May 2010)

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Hola Amigos! With X-Act on break, I have taken up the mantle of publishing the new tier lists! Back in January, it was decided that we would only update the tiers 3 times a year, January, May, and September.

However, there isn't really much to say here. The only change was that Umbreon, decided to play with the big boys and jumped straight back into OU. With that, here is your "new" OU list, containing 46 Pokemon:

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Aerodactyl
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Dragonite
Dusknoir
Electivire
Empoleon
Flygon
Forretress
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Kingdra
Latias
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninjask
Roserade
Rotom-A
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Smeargle
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tentacruel
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Umbreon
Vaporeon
Weavile
Zapdos
 
Why? do you notice how umbreon attracts scizor with free U-turns, AND sand storm destroys it cause they can't moon light good.
 
Seriously the only thing Umbreon's good for is Mean Look/Baton Pass and Wish-pass/Heal Belling.

Idk why it keeps on coming back up to OU, it's just not meant for here.
 
Nobody uses Moonlight. He is an excellent Baton Passer, very Bulky, not destroyed by Taunt, and can Pass Wish. Blissey can set Scizor up w/ Free U-Turns, but nobody complains there.

If he needs to recover, than Wish + Protect.

I have seen him a lot recently, a large part of it being it can usually function just as well as Blissey and it's cousin Vaporeon. One of it's largest upsides is higher HP than Skarm, and higher Defense than Blissey.

Yawn also can cause switches or force the enemy to sleep, w/o having to worry bout poor accuracy. Tickle can work defensively while boosting Sucker Punch/Payback (Tickle is rare, though), or Curse for similar reasons, which is very common. Fake Tears for Dark Pulse/Switches (once again, nobody really utilizes it...), Charm, Taunt to stop other walls.....
 
I don't mind this at all. Hell, keep being OU, it's much much better for UU to be Umbreon-less. Pokemon like Missy and Moltres will have a much easier time, and hell this time Moltres will surely get banned with one of the only Pokemon which can take two LO Fire Blasts and survive gone.
 
supermarth64 said:
Seriously the only thing Umbreon's good for is Mean Look/Baton Pass and Wish-pass/Heal Belling.

Idk why it keeps on coming back up to OU, it's just not meant for here.
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Exactly. It really isn't very good, lol. I think partly it's because of Latias that it keeps coming back?

Thanks, RBG! :D

Rein said:
Nobody uses Moonlight. He is an excellent Baton Passer, very Bulky, not destroyed by Taunt, and can Pass Wish. Blissey can set Scizor up w/ Free U-Turns, but nobody complains there.

If he needs to recover, than Wish + Protect.

I have seen him a lot recently, a large part of it being it can usually function just as well as Blissey and it's cousin Vaporeon. One of it's largest upsides is higher HP than Skarm, and higher Defense than Blissey.

Yawn also can cause switches or force the enemy to sleep, w/o having to worry bout poor accuracy. Tickle can work defensively while boosting Sucker Punch/Payback (Tickle is rare, though), or Curse for similar reasons, which is very common. Fake Tears for Dark Pulse/Switches (once again, nobody really utilizes it...), Charm, Taunt to stop other walls.....
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For some reason, 14% of Umbreon in April used Moonlight, but Wish was on 68%, much better option, imo. It's quite inferior to Blissey and Vap, though. Misses out on a lot of valuable support options they get. Vaporeon is also Water-type, one of the premier defensive types in the game. Skarmory is a Spiking Steel-type with completely different stats that plays very, very differently, so yeah... the latter options are just gimmicky imo =/ Umbreon just doesn't cut it.
 
I can honestly say I have never seen a good player use Umbreon in OU outside of OPJQY's team. Oh well, welcome back I guess.

UU without Umbreon will be interesting. On the one hand, the Curse set is obnoxious, but on the other, we just lost one of very few Moltres counters.
 
damn it umbreon stop screwing with my uu teams. there's too many strong fighting types in ou. the only worthwhile set in ou is the heal bell one with synchronize.
 
Umbreon only exists to serve as the second most annoying baton passer in the game. (the first is ninjask). I don't really know why it is back but it doesn't really mean much to me. Well it does mean there will be more Scizor fodder out there.
 
Darkvirus said:
yawn + protect traps U-turn scizor though so it has some use
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Umbreon really suffers from 4 moveslot syndrome like nothing else, though. You're probably going to want to use Wish with Yawn and Protect, and then you've only got room for one other move. Umbreon is a very versatile Pokemon, but once you limit it to four moves it's reduced to being useful only against a small number of Pokemon at a time.
 
Yawn, Wish, Protect, Payback. Umbreon is underestimated by all of you who do not know how to use him due to lack of experience. He saves my ass all the time.

Latias needs to GTFO either way.
 
Pollux-Castor said:
Yawn, Wish, Protect, Payback. Umbreon is underestimated by all of you who do not know how to use him due to lack of experience. He saves my ass all the time.

Latias needs to GTFO either way.
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I really can't see why Vaporeon can't do that job better. Let's see. If you can avoid Yawn (Which just be a minor pain the ass anyway), anything with Taunt (DD Gyara, DDTar, Gliscor, etc) or anything that can take a Payback (Which is pretty much everything apart from Psychics and Ghosts), can just come in and set up. If Sleep Clause is in effect, that Umbreon is the biggest dead weight ever. It basically goes, "Hey, Lucario, Scizor, TTar, any non-Psychic or Ghost OU sweepers, come in and set up on me now".
 
Blissey is no where near bitch-slapped by Scizor as hard as Umbreon. Flamethrower and Thunderwave are both big enough threats that Scizor cannot switch into it so recklessly.

asdfrozen said:
Scizor switches in -> Umbreon Yawns -> Umbreon Protects -> Scizor's U-Turn fails and it falls asleep
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That is really just a gimmick. Anyone good has already figured out that if Scizor get's yawn'd on the switch in, you switch out immediately. The thing is that Umbreon HAS to protect in that situation, which gives you a free chance to switch to something else that can kick Umbreon's ass/set up on Umbreon.

Besides saying Yawn stops Scizor is like saying that Infernape is not Latias' bitch because if Infernape HAPPENS to U-Turn when Latias switch in, Latias gets screwed. Oh, so if pokemon x has a move that can stop counter y if it happens to correctly predict the switch in, that makes it good!

Um, no. Infernape is Latias' bitch. Ubreon is even MORE Scizor's bitch. Latias at least is taking a fair amount of damage from STAB Overheat/Close Combat/HP Ice and gets royally screwed by U-Turn . . . Infernape is still Latia's bitch.

Also being a U-Turn bitch is the worst kind of bitch-- because even if you can predict it and switch, your team still gets ass raped.

The fact of the matter is that when Scizor DOES manage to switch in on Umbreon's Wish, Mean Look, Curse, Payback (anything not named Yawn/Baton Pass) . . . Umbreon is gonna die, or your team is going to take it up the ass even harder.

If you are weak to bug and cannot do 50%~ to scizor, you really got no business being in OU in my opinion.



Also, as others have all said Vaporeon > Umbreon. No matter how I look at it, there's nothing Umbreon can do well that vappy can't.
 
I saw this coming. Umbreon is a decent wall, although Vappy does better most times. I guess it's just up to personal preference. Umbreon will probably leave if Latias ends up going to Ubers (again).
 
umbreon can be effective in luring out and disabling scizor. Ywan as he comes in, then protect. Scizor will attempt to u-turn, which will be blocked by protect, and scizor will fall alseep. Proceed to setup. Good if you carry something like ddmence.
Bah, I need to read the whole thread before I post
 
Whether he should be in OU or not, Umbreon is here to stay, for better or for worse. Yeah, Umbreon finds itself in a bad spot in today's metagame with Scizor everywhere, but it's a classic case of what looks appealing to that new player. I mean, both Electivire and Ninjask are still OU, so honestly why are we complaining so much? (Addmittdely, Umbreon isn't -that- bad in OU, although it faces competition from Vaporeon in terms of Wish support, and finding a way to deal with Scizor.)

I won't miss Umbreon from UU personally, but I think Moltres is pretty gaurenteed a spot in BL after this UU period is over.
 
Umbreon is just horrible IMO and i would never use it. Not only does it invite scizor/flygon to come in and u-turn, but it also allows free spikes from skarm/forteress. That is just unnacceptible. Id rather use electivire/ninjask then that thing..
 
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