Tentacruel dropping and Breloom not, what the fuck man.Heh, I have the time. Some might unfortunately take a while to be banned (hooray a year of deoxys). Mostly guessing here
Uber
Blaziken
Darkai
Deoxys (all forms)
Genesect
Landorus
Thunderus
Shaymin-S
Gengarnite
Lucarionite
OU
Aegislash
Alakazam
Azumarill (will probably drop)
Blissey/Chansey
Breloom
Charizard
Celebi
Crobat
Dragonite
Ferrothorn
Flygon
Garchomp
Gardevoir (unsure)
Gengar
Gliscor
Goodra
Greninja (will probably drop)
Gyrados
Heatran
Jellicent
Jirachi
Keldeo
Kingdra
Kyruem-B
Lati@s
Landorus-T
Lucario
Mamoswine
Magnezone
Medicham (unsure)
Ninetails
Politoad
Roserade
Rotom-W
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Starmie
Sylveon
Terrakion
Thunderus-T
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Volcarona
Zygarde
Zapdos
Dropped
Cloyster (unpopular)
Conkeldurr
Donphan
Dugtrio
Espeon
Forretress (unsure)
Hippowdon
Hydreigon
Infernape (unsure)
Jolteon
Metagross
Reuniclus
Tentacruel (unsure)
Toxicroak
Venusaur
Parhaps he could live in OU. Maybe. One of the reason banhammer fell onto him was the huge buff perm sun brought to fire blitz, and all the time to set up with protect and sword dance, if I'm not mistaken. Now, he is surely a great batonpasser, but why do not use scolipede, same ability and sword dance as well, for passing and blaziken as a set up sweeper by himself? Without permanent sun his flare blitz is far weaker, adn if he wants sun he must hurry to set up. Still a fearfull monster to face, high attack, great coverage with stab alone and high power move with that ability and sword dance. This is strong, no doubt. But I think there is a possibility for him to see OU lught once again, for more than a few months. Also there is an overall increase of bulky monsters and a new fight resist in fairy, so he can be handled. Sill reaps throught HO teams, but they aldready died the moment sticky web was announced.Blaziken- Despite the addition of Megalutions, the legal combo of speed boost baton pass is Blaziken's greatest addition this generation. This versatility opens so many strategies. Verdict Ubers
Remember that's gen FIVE OU. I see at least a few dark-type candidates. Absol, Houndoom, Gyarados even Drapion has some potential this gen. Not that I disagree really. Hydreigon wasn't popular but he was a strong pokemon last gen and is still really strong this generation as well. Plus, in my mind, there's no way a pokemon with a 600+ BST is going to be convincingly below BL ever. (The only examples of that I can think of are Deoxys-D, Cresselia and Kyurem, and that was due to a lack of offensive presence in two cases and an atrocious typing and really awful movepool in the other. Oh and Slaking and Regigigas, but that's for obvious reasons.) Anyway, I just think it's important to clarify that all this is within the frame of reference of what was good last gen. Not necessarily what will be good this gen. Like Gengar, I think Gengar is strong and unpredictable, but I dunno if he'll be unmanageable. Especially given his vulnerability to priority, pursuit and his weakness to ground.Hydreigon's dropping due to fairy typing is tragically near sighted. Hydreigon has an incredibly valuable niche. Now that steel does not resist ghost, ghost is probably one of the best offensive types, if not the best. GEngar's shadow ball, chandelure's and fucking god forbid mega gengars rips holes in teams now. Hydreigon, with tyranitar are the only dark types in the entire OU tier. On top of this, blissey is the only normal type in the OU tier.
Mew, Victini, Shaymin, and Meloetta.Plus, in my mind, there's no way a pokemon with a 600+ BST is going to be convincingly below BL ever. (The only examples of that I can think of are Deoxys-D, Cresselia and Kyurem, and that was due to a lack of offensive presence in two cases and an atrocious typing and really awful movepool in the other. Oh and Slaking and Regigigas, but that's for obvious reasons.)
True, but it's usually because of an inability to make any sort of impact or do anything unique. Or because of a really poor movepool or terrible typing. Hydreigon does not have a really bad typing and has a very extensive movepool. I'm not saying that BST is everything, I'm just saying that a pokemon with a high BST if it's stats are properly distributed is unlikely to drop below BL because it's just too strong for the lower tiers. Hydreigon has a good typing, good ability, and a very extensive movepool. It's also a very unique pokemon.Mew, Victini, Shaymin, and Meloetta.
Also, plenty of 580 BST trio legendaries are in the lower tiers. 15 of the 20, in fact, are UU or lower, and some lurk RU and NU. BST isn't everything.
Except for Mega-Mawile. If Conkeldurr really wants to kill her in one hit he HAS to run Fire Punch, and even then it's only a OKHO if she's running 252HP only (All Mawiles run that pretty much) with no other defense investment and a neutral defense nature. 252HP 0Def Impish Mawile fails to be OKHOed.Strongly disagree with all of these. COnkeldurr is still fantastic in the current OU meta, hits extremely hard, lasts a long time, and depending on coverage move completely destroys any check, fairies are barely a hit to it, theyre all pathetically weak physically or defensive or get wrecked by existing coverage moves, or the infamous poison jab.
Yeah but Hydreigon suffered from lack of usage before 6th gen got announced. It and Haxorus have the same problem: great stats and movesets, but easily checked or taken out. It was rare in mid-late 5th gen to see Hydriegon because of Fighting-types/FocusBlast. Match that now with the possibility of stuf like Azumarill, Gardevior, and Clefable moving up in tiers if could drop to UU. The best niche that I can see for it now is a hit&run revenge killer which is still fine but i mean usage will be the determining factor if it drops not just new Fairies types.True, but it's usually because of an inability to make any sort of impact or do anything unique. Or because of a really poor movepool or terrible typing. Hydreigon does not have a really bad typing and has a very extensive movepool. I'm not saying that BST is everything, I'm just saying that a pokemon with a high BST if it's stats are properly distributed is unlikely to drop below BL because it's just too strong for the lower tiers. Hydreigon has a good typing, good ability, and a very extensive movepool. It's also a very unique pokemon.
If i remember Sand Veil is banned (which is petty as hell) but it can do well in Rain or Sun. Its main issue is that it gets destroyed by FocusBlast or CloseCombat so his placement in OU is iffy but has a slightly better chance in UU. Outside of that Dry Skin and Solar Power are great for him considering his spatt and speed. Also in rain he has access to 100% acc Thunder and boosted SurfI'm just wondering but what teir do you guys see Helioisk ending up? I'm saying UU because it has some good stats and abilities (Base 109 special attack and speed along with Dry skin and solar power) It MIGHT have been OU last gen due to its amazing abilities. Decent special bulk too
We can see some Megas go UBER as wellSpeaking of OU candidates, what's the tiering threshold for this gen (we had 3.41% last time)? I can see OU have a large number of Pokémon with almost every Megas looking OU-worthy, promoting a more diverse metagame.
Lucario won't be in a separate tier than MegaLucario. It's basically the same pokemon. Only if Lucarite (or whatever it's called, I can't remember) gets banned could something like that happen. Haxorus, Metagross and Hydreigon... dunno. Fairy-types actually help Hydreigon in that it gives it a lot of good partners for blocking fighting and bug attacks. I dunno enough about Haxorus or Metagross to say about them, but I feel like they're still really strong regardless.Based on current usages and new 6th gen changes i can see Hydreigon, Haxorus, Metagross, and normal Lucario perhaps dropping tiers