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A glimpse at Crushking: A Wall "Crushing" Nidoking

Discussion in 'Stark Mountain' started by Yagami Light, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. Yagami Light

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    Factoring in Lefties and SR, Weezing and Blissey are still 2HKOed always with Milotic and Dusknoir being 2HKOed a lot of the time. I'll post up Crushking versus Restalker Cressy as soon as Metalkid loads for me/I remember.

    And yes X-act, you are correct in saying that it doesn't get a giant range of switch ins like Metagross does. I still prefer it to sweepers Electivire (Who comes in on Tbolt, Flying and Steel) and Heracross (Who has no immunities, but comes in on Bug, Fighting, EQ, Grass).
  2. X-Act

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    As you say though, it does have its good points. Immunity to Thunder Wave, Toxic Spikes (it can clear them too), AND Sandstorm for example. :)
  3. footballfanatic

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    Plus it has the invaluable fighting resist.
  4. Pwnage

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    Light and some dudes tested it against me (suprise) and it rocks, beat like 3 of my pokes.

    I'm known as CookieMonst3r on Shoddy though.
  5. CLegacyM

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    Looks like a solid set mate, good job my Canadian friend. ;)
  6. gorm

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    one thing i love about this is that it completely ruins the celetran that everyone seems to be running these days
  7. SkyPirateCoud

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    Having seen this thing DESTROY a certain user's team (including an Infernape, which seemed to me like something that could outspeed and stop it), I have determined that it is bulky and strong enough to scare the living hell out of me. Bulky water weak is obvious, but easy to deal with. Great set.
  8. Master of the Six Kings

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    Tryed the set with T-bolt over Fire Blast and it worked pretty well. But King needs speed or Garchomp eats him alive. He works pretty good with Jask support, but swampert is still a headache. Celebi works well as Swamp counter, though king still can't switch into much other then status and fighting moves. Great set though, I love using it :P
  9. Dane

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    So how long until Cresselia starts running Psychic to counter Nidoking (wasn't it already an option for battling Heracross?)?
  10. ShogunOfHarlem

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    I'm gonna try this guy over electrivire since he resists ground... hmm...
  11. the_artic_one

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    He doesn't resist ground...
  12. Brawley

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    Hey. Hey! Shut up it was a test team
    Also this thing rapes stall teams. @_@
  13. ShogunOfHarlem

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    I meant to say electric, thinking of his ground typing sorry.


    Yeah this guy is pretty much replacing Electrivire on ALL of my teams. He does exactly what I wanted vire to do but significantly better
  14. General Sturm

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    I'm sure sandstorm would help him get the 2HKO where leftovers recovery might be a factor.
  15. COalex

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    This looks like a pretty good set, but I don't think it's the stall breaker that everybody is making it out to be. I run a fairly defensive team and this really doesn't have much on a defensive Swampert or Bulkydos. Because of Life Orb it really doesn't have the stamina to keep on whaling on the defensive pokemon which it really needs to do to have a chance against a good stall team.
  16. Dragontamer

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    What this Nidoking needs is a bit of Hail Action.

    Hail the Suicidal Nidoking
    Same EVs + Life Orb / Expert Belt
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    Fire Blast
    Blizzard (instead of Ice Beam)
    Earthquake
    Megahorn

    There. Much better. You neutralize those nasty leftovers, but lose 16% health per turn, so Expert Belt is always avaliable. Fire Blast's nasty accuracy is replaced with 100% accurate Blizzard vs Weezing, making a guarenteed 2-hit KO (although you might have to wait for the hailstorm to finish him off). Talking about hailstorms finishing off those pokemon, Even Dusknoir dies off to the hail most of the time (46.60 * 2 + 6.25 hail damage == 99% health down. Most of the time, Dusknoir dies to the hail at the end of the turn) It turns those near kills into absolute kills. Well.... Dusknoir then painsplits and survives :-( But if it doesn't for some reason, hurrah :-)

    Technically speaking, Focus Punch and Stone Edge hit as many types super-effective but Fire Blast is probably better to hit that Bronzong and Skarm.

    But as stated... Bulky Waters like Suicune are a problem. How about this set's complement.

    Hail the Hail Starting Abomasnow
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    Blizzard
    Wood Hammer / Energy Ball / Seed Bomb / Leech Seed (with Sub)
    Filler
    Filler

    Blizzard is a must-have on Abomasnow. Wood Hammer deals with those bulky waters very easily, or Sub/Seed does really-really well on them. You can switch in on Bulky-Water Ice Beams, Swampert Earthquakes and the like, while Nidoking can switch in on fighting and rock attacks.

    I ran some preliminary tests with Nidoking before, I can't say its excellent (Garchomp eventually took its spot), but it does work pretty well and has the right set of resistances to help out Abomasnow in many cases, and vise versa.
  17. CrossDragonZX

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    Somehow I think Substitute could fit on this. Either Sub/Fire Blast or Sub/Ice Beam, one of those. Then again, the excess damage from setting up a Sub and then attacking with Life Orb can be suicidal. Still it allows you to scout and what not.
  18. Dragontamer

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    What is there to scout? Nidoking is immune to T-Wave and Toxic, leaving Burn and Sleep. Sleep is claused making Burn the only status that Nidoking really has to fear (if Nidoking falls asleep, you can keep sleep clause activated for the rest of the game). Not to mention, fast sleepers will sleep you before you sub anyway.

    I don't see sub helping Nidoking at all.
  19. Yagami Light

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    Added in a bit about Blizzard.
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    Very nice Light. Once again, you've inspired the crowd to try something new. One thing I liked about Nidoking was the immunity to Toxic Spikes and the fact that he can absorb them. Looks something interesting to pair with Celebi or Tangrowth. Maybe Vaporeon, since Vappy can come in easily on aimed Surfs and Ice Beams.
  21. Yagami Light

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    I quite agree, Vaporeon makes an excellent side support pokemon with Wish to keep Crushking alive after switch in and life orb damage and the ability to HP Electric Gyarados.
  22. Aeroblacktyl

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    Why are we calling this a Crushking, isn't this the standard set from ADV...?
  23. Forsety

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    I thought the standard set used Lovely Kiss.
  24. Aeroblacktyl

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    Yeah...in GSC...
  25. Yagami Light

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    Upon looking at the Mixed Set from R/S/E, this does bear a great deal of resemblance. The main difference that I see is that the Life Orb, EV spread and such are different to suit the new walls of OU, as well as the inclusion of SR. I'll be honest though, when I thought of this I didn't think to check the previous gen sets.

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