So I've cleaned up this entire thread, please read this post below before furthering discussion. I want to say that if your post is still in this thread, it means it was acceptable or even a good post that provided some reasoning, or at the very least provided the concept of something competitive relating to the Pokemon. Try and read this thread as it is now to get an idea of the direction this thread should go. This thread will be more strictly moderated from this point. General Notes on Aegislash - Please use our resources before asking questions about how his effects work. Stance change is based on the Base stats, not the evs and nature. King's Shield and Protect doesn't stack. It comes back in with Shield Form. King's Shield is what turns it back. Etc. - When discussing a potential teammate, explain why it'd be a good teammate. This means going beyond "it can switch into Dark-type attacks" or "it can Baton Pass Speed and Attack". Those traits could apply to any number of Pokemon, what makes Aegislash special? Talk about the potential checks and counters they're actually helping with, the overload the two of them could put on a team (Aegi weakens this potential counter and then this mon comes in), etc. - If someone posts something that is incorrect, you don't need to answer it if someone else already has. If you're the first person to answer it, that's fine, but your post will be deleted (and theirs) will be deleted when a mod sees it because it doesn't actually add anything to the discussion. If you feel your post is important to clear up any misconceptions, (and it very well could be so important on it's own that it stays, but if not:) try to add actual content to it. - Simple Questions/Simple Answers. Guys, a thread discussing a Pokemon doesn't mean you can ask every small question barely relating to that Pokemon, if there question doesn't directly relate to competitive play, ask in the simple questions/simple answers. - If you're posing the question of "which one is better", think to yourself what the advantages and disadvantages are. Smogon is not meant to spoonfeed information to you in our discussion threads, so instead of asking "is Adamant or Brave better?" and leaving it at that, write down why you're considering both of them with an advantages/disadvantages list of each and let discussion spin off that. This applies heavily to moveset choices, one of the biggest "one liner questions" this thread contained. - If you thought you had a legitimate discussion point / question that no one responded to, look back to the above bullet. Try to provide your own reasoning and answer for the question so that people can discuss off of your points and reasoning. - If you're going to make claims, run actual calcs to back it up. - No one cares about your anecdotal in-game evidence or that your team lets you get +6 everytime if you're not going to explain how and why. What is it about this Pokemon that lends itself to being able to boost up to +6 easily because of its teammates? Is it due to its counters being wary of actually switching in for some reason? Are you luring them with a good partner? List of counters proposed in this thread: - Conkeldurr - Gyarados - Doublade - Bisharp - Krookadile - Hippowdon - Garchomp - Gliscor - Hydreigon - Heatran (when released) - Landorus (when released) - Zapdos - Bulky Water-types - Skarmory - Forrestress - Excadrill - Donphan - Mawile - Blastoise - Furfrou - Talonflame - Vaporeon Explain why these Pokemon are worth using in OU now - some of them will be self-explanatory and probably don't need an explanation but for those who suggest Doublade and Krookadile and Donphan and others, what advantage do they provide in OU that makes running them worth it, as we already have several other viable counters already. What would they add to the table? And most importantly, are they even counters at all? Question to be answered: Which nature is actually the better choice? Adamant or Brave? WHY? Who are the best teammates for Aegislash and why? What does the Special Set beat that the SD set cannot? (Ultimario and others tries to explain this throughout but I think this could be answered in much more detail, self-explanatory but things like not as susceptible to burn (which would go through king's shield) is definitely a step in proving this) Why would Choice Band be a better choice? (dragontamer did a good job of giving explanation to this, so you might want to read his posts) What are it's weaknesses? How might OU change around Aegislash and will the changes in OU/Aegislash's weaknesses show that it's not as good as we first thought? Discuss the theory of King's Shield and why it may or may not be optimal (there is discussion on page 6 about this) What can we do to mitigate the weaknesses of Aegislash and especially of his sets (how do we make up for dropping King's Shield, or running a CB set, etc) If there is anything to take away from this thread, (which clearly needed a clean-up), then take this: We are not here to spoonfeed you information. Post your results, reasoning, explanations, and logic. Too many people are asking questions without providing any of their own insight, trying to collect summaries of what others have discussed. Read the thread (it's now significantly shorter) if you don't want to add to the discussion, but if you do, then say something that is worth it in some capacity. Even just a single counter and explaining why that counter is not only worth it but why it would be good in the general meta as well. MagikaripIsOP, I don't mean to embarrass you or call you out, but understand your posts in this thread were unacceptable for the standards we have here. Your attitude of asking people to read the thread for you and summarize it, while saying "don't make me read through the thread" isn't how we add to a conversation. We are providing the resources right here with the thread, your posts did nothing but simply added more posts to scroll through.