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Anything Goes in this Mafia - The Damned Win!

Discussion in 'Circus Maximus' started by Slim Guldo, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. Steven Snype

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    Fun game, and fuck aqua, for sayin that GS was good. Guess villies need more experience. and it took me a while to realize it was 13/4/4/1. Reading the rules, especially the part where it said: All win conditions involve the annihilation of either faction. :x Nice play GS, I commend you. Had I been alive, I would've got badal lynched the next day. :x Sucks though that our inspect didn't really notice the game was goin on when we needed him. ._.

    Edit: even if kills were allowed n0, i couldn't protect J-man since i was hooked n0.
  2. Nanoswine

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    Wow, I was gone this weekend which I figured would be covered by me being kidnapped and all, but I didn't realize we had won while I was gone!

    Anyways, GG to the Village, Desperate, and Undisputed, it was really fun to play in this game, it being my first Smogon mafia. Me and General Spoon sort of co-led the Damned, but we both played important roles in-game with getting information. We had a complete and accurate spreadsheet as soon as undisputed contacted the Desperate, and we had a plan set out. (Speaking of which, did you guys have fun sorting out the spreadsheet? lol)

    We basically had the game in the bag until some other mafia decided to ally with the village -_- yeah fuck you Aqua. I don't think this has been mentioned before, but we killed Objection on accident, it was a communication problem which could have been avoided, but it really was nobody's fault in particular. Even after both of those mishaps though, we were still able to win, and none of us even died, which was kinda cool.

    A few other things I have taken is that if you are leading a village, do NOT give spread access to anyone who comes your way. Acklow, you seemed to trust everyone who claimed to you, and a lot of people in this game I talked to seemed to think that if someone claimed and it didn't have any glaring errors, they were automatically Dizzy. With that in mind, I also learned that if you are faking, you had better look your claim over a LOT of times. Interwebz, sorry but you were lynched for the sole reason that that your claim was horrible. I later heard that you didn't have one prepared when it was asked for, so you just whipped one up, but still, you should have looked it over at least once.

    Another example was just hilarious, to me at least. Undisputed, as you may know, was a wolf who could kill/inspect at night. So when he claimed, he just changed some wording to say Dizzy instead and delete the kill paragraph. What he missed however, was that his claimed inspection night action started with "Alternitavely..."
    How the Village managed to miss this, (or if they just didn't think much of it) I don't know, but that could have got you caught for sure. I even had issues with my fake, which was Miss Marple as Alliance checker. I found out the roles were randomized and I was like ffffffffff! But it apparently worked out for me, because that wasn't the reason I was found out.

    But yeah, this game was really fun, and I'll see some of you guys in Ampharos Mafia!
  3. undisputed

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    Well, slim, would the hook have overpowered my kill of GS? I think logically I should have a higher priority than he did. And then I could have easily tied with the village I think.
  4. Acklow

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    Yeah, I basically trusted those who claimed to me correctly. This is partly because Slim's posting this in the OP:

    For that reason, I really was unable to make any full suspects. I knew GS could very easily be Mafia because he said he only had 2 hooks. Badal's partial mayor claim also bugged me. Otherwise, had Slim not posted what I just quoted above, I think that I would've lynched GS right off the bat. Same with the likes of undisput3d and a few others. I didn't of course because of that statement. Slim, next time you make a mafia game, if the roles for the mafia are "evil" and the roles for the mafia are "good", make sure that you state that instead of what I quoted. That certainly confused me (no pun intended on being "Dizzy")
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    First off, who did you try to kill N6, nobody turned up dead, and there was no BG.

    And in regard to priorities,
    But really, Slim would not have called the game if your priority was in fact higher than Spoon's hook. And if you had killed Spoon, we could have just lynched you the following day and probably still won, seeing as everyone knew you were the wolf, and nobody knew badal was kidnapper, or suspected j-man because the village leadership was dead. And if you tried to tell everyone, what good would the words of a dying wolf had been to the village?

    Also, after seeing you didn't kill Afro, I honestly think we should have lynched you then and there, but I wasn't here to tell Spoon that, so whatever. Even if you had killed one of us, we still probably would have won.
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    Yeah, I was very scared N4 that B_T was going to inspect GS, who was the obvious person to check at that point, and pretty much screw the Damned up.

    It would be interesting to see all the night actions for that night, N4. I believe aqua was killing undisput3d, so we hooked aqua. Steven had a BG on godudette, who was supposedly reverse martyring undisput3d (I'm not sure if this happened, I think GS was supposed to tell godudette who to target). We told undisput3d to idle, which didn't really make much sense. And we kidnapped TAS instead of B_T so we could kill B_T the next night.
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    If I (or anyone else who was ever hooked by GS) mentioned the existence of a jellybean hooker, would that have made any difference? This was bugging me for the entire game and I didn't want to say something useless to the village in case we were being moled.

    EDIT @ Nanoswine: D'oh!
  8. Nanoswine

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    @j-squared What happened N4 was that Aqua forgot to send in his action (lol) to kill undisputed, I think Spoon hooked B_T, and godudette martyred undisputed while Steven protected her. I think undisputed either idled or inspected someone. We just kidnapped TAS because we wanted a villager gone, and we wanted to kill B_T, though in hindsight we probably should have just kidnapped B_T.

    @capefeather Later on, that would have made a huge difference. After you guys knew that Aqua was the last Desperate and he was SG, and you knew that undisputed was wolf, the only hooker claim left was GS himself, so saying there was a jellybean hooker would have labeled him as mafia for sure. We were actually really worried that someone would bring that up, but thankfully nobody did.
  9. Slim Guldo

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    Well the roles for the mafia weren't intentionally chosen to be "evil" and the village wasn't chosen to be "good", and for the most part they weren't really (with the exception of Marlin/the Doctor/Scar), so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here!

    @undisput3d - his hook had higher priority than your kill

    @J-squared - I'll probably end up posting my sheet along with the postgame.
  10. General Spoon

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    I just remembered when I was given proper access to the village spreadsheet (what day, I don't remember). I scrolled to the bottom, and saw like 7 or so names highlighted, and since I knew that some of them had spreadsheet access, I thought to myself "Wait, ALL of these people have spreadsheet access? And almost half of them are anti-town to boot?" I suppose that kinda sums up Acklow's crapsap leadership he established. Sorry man, but its the truth.

    Also of note, Aqua's name was also highlighted, but with a different color. Would anybody mind telling me what that meant?
  11. Steven Snype

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    oh, i highlighted that one in a different color b/c aqua's claim seemed as though it would be likely to occur, although he wasn't "cleaned" at the time.

    I didn't really have much to go with other than what Acklow had to begin with.

    When I reread the sheet, I knew that undisput3d's claim on the sheet was fishy since he didn't change the name from "MaloMyotismon;" I consulted Acklow about it, but I didn't want to publicly declare undisput3d's error, since by that point, I knew that villies were fucked, and I thought by the name undisput3d was Damned, so I ended up giving up, since one of the first people that undisput3d cleaned was Nano, who was Acklow/mine/Rayquaza/capefeather's other "information role." I didn't trust Nano much either, especially after "undisput3d cleaned Aqua," who basically told me everything.

    If there was anything that I wish I could have done, it would be to make SURE that BT knew he was in the game. Things might have gone better for villies. BT and Chaos_Sorc sent in the same PM, so we did think they were clean; however, upon reading rayquaza's forward that he sent Acklow, he said that "J-Man left a ton of messages for Rayquaza, but sadly Slim deleted them all by accident," so we weren't sure if CS could've collaborated with BT, and we doubted the role.
  12. Slim Guldo

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    Well they could've, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't!

    Also before anyone says it I did still tell Ray what the messages said!
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    Yeah, he did.
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    no villy safeguard? that's totally messed up >:(
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    I demand postgame.
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    Massive Necro Post!

    First off, I'm really sorry that I didn't write this earlier, I don't think there's really any reasonable excuse for it, and I'm just pleased that I can remember enough to bring it to you now. I'm sorry that it's insubstantial, I didn't remember enough about some aspects of the game to say everything (although that's partly because a lot of people did very little)

    There’s not going to be much introductory text here because I made this so long ago that I don’t really remember my reasons for wanting to host this game, I guess I just saw some roles and decided that I wanted to use them. Hosting was definitely much harder than I thought it would be, especially with the incident with J-man’s role and the occasions where important roles didn't hand in their PM's and I wasn't sure whether to add an extension.

    Overall, I was really happy with the way this game turned out. The Damned generally worked much harder than the other factions and worked on their fakes/general game plan much more, so I think it’s justified that they eventually won.

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    Basic Kidnapper Role here.

    Badal was OK, although he seemed to be a tad inactive and completely controlled by General Spoon and Nanoswine. Had his orders sent in by others a couple of times.

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    Basically this was my role from Awesomeness, except I wanted it to be possibly used on other members of the team since that would be more useful.

    Alan was similar to Badal at first, however he went on holiday and got subbed out for J-squared, who participated in all the end-game planning that the Damned did. This role was used at the only time where one of the Damned was being lynched, so that’s also good!

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    Standard Hooker

    General Spoon pretty much ran this game in my eyes, along with Nanoswine. Had a nearly full spreadsheet early on and knew all of the village power roles by around Night 1 due to Acklow giving him sheet access (or least knowledge of the roles!). Took control of the village after offing StevenSnype, and from there lead them into the ground. His only real mistake was not giving Badal a kill target, which lead to the death of Objection.

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    Basically the Damned were looking much stronger role-wise at this point, so I decided to weaken their inspection, resulting in this role!

    Nanoswine was another pleasant surprise on the Damned team. Found out a lot of roles early on from Acklow, and also did a lot of work planning with the rest of the team. Was completely undetected up until General Spoon outed him to waste a lynch and help spread mistrust of Aquamarius.

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    Basically I wanted the Damned to have slightly better roles but less info to use the roles with, kinda similar to the Red Revolution in WW3 mafia, a game which provided quite a bit of inspiration for this game.

    Unfortunately this didn’t quite work the way I wanted. The Damned, thanks to the moling of General Spoon and Nanoswine easily got access to a lot of the village information, and quickly took near-total control of the game, and this didn’t really change at all.

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    NOTE: I WROTE EVERYTHING FROM HERE ON LONG AFTER THE GAME, SO DETAILS MAY BE A BIT SKETCHY!

    Well I wanted the Desperate to have more info but less power, so this guy came in as a full inspector.

    Interwebs got in his Action PM’s every time, although from my understanding he didn’t do very much discussion with his compatriots :(. He was eventually lynched when Rayquaza found several mistakes in his (barely edited) fake and his general other suspicious behaviour in that conversation got him lynched.
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    This was a pretty standard redirector. I always kind of imagine this role causing total havoc with good information, which I guess is why I put this in.

    Heist was pretty inactive for large parts of this game, only sending in two actions (one of which was an idle and the other was blocked) and not voting ever :(. I also don’t think he talked very much with his team, but his timezone is partially to blame for that.

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    Side note: I hated this role PM so much, but I couldn’t think of any other ideas :/
    I didn’t want there to be two kidnappers, but I wanted both mafias to be able to have an effect on who was talking and who wasn’t. As the Desperate were meant to have weaker roles on the whole, they drew the short straw and got the silencer.

    Objection was one of the more active members of the Desperate. He was pretty unhappy with his performance in this game, and judging by his post in the thread he gave undisput3d some details on his faction, which I’m guessing is why, although I have no recall of this. He died because of the Damned’s errors in communication, but in the end I don’t think it really mattered.

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    In contrast to the last role, this was arguably my favourite role flavour in the game. I also liked the idea of a safeguard protecting the killer from hooks, although I didn’t want the Desperate to have an unblockable kill so I stopped this from affecting bodyguards.

    Aquamarius was, in my opinion the MVP of the Desperate. He was by a long shot the most active of his team, and he also got all of their info as he had access to Acklow’s village sheet (along with every other non-village faction).

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    As I’ve mentioned several times, the Desperate were built like the other faction in WW3 mafia, which theoretically had much weaker roles and much more information to use them with.

    Again, this didn’t go to plan, as the Desperate were pretty much ravaged by the inactivity of most of their members and as such didn’t really get as much information as they needed.

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    I really liked the double vig in Remoraid, so I put in this and the John and Edward role as part of that.

    I originally planned to make ipl a mafia, but I moved him to this role because I thought he would get inspected N0 and lynched D1. Instead, the Damned pretty much rand-killed him N1. Go figure.

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    The other half of the double vig.

    As far as I know, Hitmonchan did nothing and got lynched because he didn’t claim to Acklow :/

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    Standard Village inspector.

    As Blue Tornado so accurately said after the game ended:

    In fact, the only time he wasn't stopped by something, he forgot about the game and didn't send a PM :/

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    Standard Village Bodyguard

    Stevensnype was pretty active in village in the early part of the game, but from what I remember he was one of the many villagers who totally trusted General Spoon. Overall not a bad performance, considering everyone trusted General Spoon.

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    Standard village hooker.

    Upside hooked the bodyguard, then acted suspiciously and got lynched. I think you can draw your own conclusions.

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    Yeah, I fucked up on this guy’s role PM. Basically I had to remove a role from the village before the game started, but I forgot to account for it in this guy’s PM. This lead to the village believing that there were no neutrals until I publicly stated that there were :/

    J-man tried to lead the village early on, but then when my mistake cast him under suspicion, he counteracted this semi decent play by whining to me about how bad the game was and that I was a shit host... Then he had to leave and Rayquaza came in. He thinks that he totally fucked over the village because he trusted Nano and General Spoon, but really that hardly matters because everyone did anyway.
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    Standard Martyr

    From what I remember Godudette really just followed orders and idled a few times, but conversely she didn’t fuck up which is better than quite a few of the Dizzy.

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    Basically I quite like watcher roles, so I put this in. Not much else to say :P

    Acklow :( Did well to step up and try to lead when J-man was kidnapped N0, but I believe he then added General Spoon, Nanoswine, undisput3d and Aquamarius to his sheet as soon as they claimed. It is my view that this action pretty much destroyed the villages chances, although I may have been proved wrong. Thankfully I’m pretty sure you’ve improved your mafia playing since then, so something good came out of this.

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    Standard question asker who was unable to use Smogon Names because I was in Nintendo Mafia and remember how broken it was then.

    Nestle was super-inactive, doing nothing before I subbed in TAS. Gonna be honest I think the village was in a really bad place by then and his questions weren’t that helpful, but hey, at least he sent them in!

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    I figured this could become really important if it was kept secret in the event of a village vs. combined mafia showdown.

    Really sorry Afro, as necessary as I think Mayor is I know how terrible it is to play as it, and you voted every day except day 1, so I can’t really ask for much more than that.

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    I always have a soft spot for the announcer role because I really enjoyed playing as it in Nintendo Mafia. Plus, I was running out of roles for the village by this point!

    Capefeather was active, and he seemed to learn a lot about mafia from his experience in this game, so overall I think he did quite well :)

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    This was pretty much a filler role, but if he was sent to hospital it would pretty much clean him, which could be helpful.

    VulcanFenrir was pretty inactive, but I couldn’t find a sub for ages due to the amount of people who need subbing out :/ Coolking was one of the few villagers to heed Aquamarius’ warning that General Spoon and Badal were bad, but to be fair Badal had told him his role before subbing in... Either way, he was unable to avoid the lynch when it came for him, which ended the game :/

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    I saw this role in another game (unicycle I think?) with different flavour and really liked the look of it. One of the lessons I learnt while hosting this was that everything needs to be prepared in advance, as I didn’t prepare this guy’s facts in advance, and he lived for quite a while :/

    This was one of Quagsires’ first games. From what I remember, he didn’t do that much, but there isn’t that much he could’ve done, and he’s another person who’s improved in the 8 or 9 months since this game was played.

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    Pretty much a standard wolf, with a false claim in Pablo Picasso. I think the idea of the BPV came from Unicycle originally, but I certainly wasn’t the first to use it after that.

    I gave this role to undisput3d because, while I didn’t think he was really MVP, he played very well in Ender’s Second Game despite the overwhelming odds stacked against him, so I figured he’d do well in this situation. I never thought he’d get as close to winning as he did though, so massive props to him.

    Undisput3d was the only non-Damned player with any sort of control over the outcome of this game, and played superbly throughout. I don’t think he really did anything wrong, although I thought the fact that he claimed full inspector wasn’t a very good move. It didn’t matter though, because I don’t think chaos_sorc claimed, and even if he did, Acklow trusted undisput3d anyway!

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    Anyway, I’ve got some awards for this game now. I dunno if people do this any more in post-games, but I always quite liked the idea, so here we go!

    Best Dizzy: Stevensnype - The only villager who I really thought had an overall postive game here, sorry guys :/

    Best Desperate: Aquamarius - Much more active than his teammates and basically found all of their information

    Best Damned: General Spoon - I know I’ve praised Spoon a lot throughout this postgame, but he really did pretty much control the game, with help from Nanoswine and eventually J-squared!

    MVP: General Spoon

    Runners up:

    Undisputed - Had a really good game, one of the best wolves I’ve seen!

    Nanoswine - Did a lot of work behind the scenes to help the damned win, gathered a lot of information for his team.
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    lol woah total blast from the past O_o
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    Yeah what undisput3d (lol) said

    Anyways yeah, it was pretty much Me, Spoon, and undisputed running the village from behind the scenes. By the end of N1 I had gotten almost every role claim iirc, and Spoon and undisputed helped fill in the gaps. Lategame Spoon really took over the leadership though, and did an excellent job of information management and planning. We had the game won by N4, but then a mafia decided to side with the village and out all of us -_-

    Still after that, we won the game after killing undisputed with none of the Damned having died :D

    It's funny to see that the Damned were meant to have more powerful roles, but not enough evidence to work off of. Because of Spoon and I moling the hell out of the village, I think we ended up with more information than Acklow!

    GG to everyone again, this really was a fun game (Well, for us Damned at least. I imagine it sucked for most of the village >_<)
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    Woah what a bump...

    This=my epic failure. I had the entire game in the bag had I played just a tad differently (i.e. me getting rid of all of my suspicions early on). After that I think things would have been much easier...ah well, you live and you learn. ;)
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    I had a great deal of fun with this game. I remember that Nanoswine and I bounced several plans that took us from the now to endgame off eachother.

    After Aquamarius outted Nanoswine as Damned, we were like "Well we can just cancel the lynch, kidnap Nanoswine, and lynch Aqua. That'll learn him."

    The error in communication that was referenced was that I had sent in badal's orders for the night (including the kill!), and didn't realize I had told him I had done so. He thought that we had forgotten about him (I guess we did), and sent in an order to kill somebody we knew from the other mafia. It worked out in the end, but I was mad when it happened.
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    Oh sweet, I managed to get in.

    Good luck everyone, I hope this game ends up being better than the last beginner mafia.
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    This ended half a year before you joined the site...

    killing perfum46 n0

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