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Discussion in 'Ubers' started by Fireburn, Jun 25, 2011.
Is this even a serious question? :/
I just wanted to know what the Ubers team would do if a undeniably op pokemon was made
Smogon would ban it to the hypothetical tier above Ubers. Kind of an irrelevant question, though, as GF would never do something that stupid.
We'd seriously question the philosophy behind the existence of ubers and either A) find some way to nerf it via clause or outright ban it or B) say it's the reincarnation of RBY Mewtwo and tell everybody to deal with it or don't play ubers
Ubers' balance is shaky to begin with, such a poke would cause serious damage to Ubers.
My question: what if there was a borderline tier between Ubers and OU? There are some Ubers that are completely obsoleted by other mons ( Deoxys-N, for example.), so would this help to balance it out more?
What would be the point of this tier? I can't think of very many mons that would be in it. Deo-N, Manaphy, Thund-I, and maybe Land-I and Torn-T but that's about it that I can think of.
Also, seeing how Ubers is not usage based, nothing banned from OU can not qualify for Ubers, if you get what I'm saying. Therefore, a BL tier between OU and Ubers would be useless, as there are no current Ubers Pokemon that don't "belong" in the Ubers tier.
First, you understand the idea of Ubers and its banlist
Second, Nintendo would never make a pokemon like that and you know that.
But to answer your question where you already know your obvious answer for: It would get banned from Ubers.
Also, a BL tier between OU and Ubers doesn't make sense. Ubers isn't a tier, it's a banlist. Itself is already a BL
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what will happen to mega pokemon? will they be placed in the uber section or can they wreck stuff in ou?
mega gengar/alakazam is a really big thread overall and i would be surprised if it wasn't placed in this tier, even if it cant hold an item.
then again, this meta is full of suckerpunches and the such..... not to mention talonflame priority bravebird lol
Ubers doesn't give a shit about what OU bans. (unless it's some lame shit like Deo-N that we have to write an analysis for)
Is Xerneas über or not?
i would say yes lol same with yveltal.
It is without a doubt ubers. Same with yveltal
My question: Which mega best suits the Uber tier? (Not Mewtwo or Blaziken.)
Mega-Gengar. Shadow Tag with amazing special attack and pretty good speed. That's why I use him :V
Guys, on Ubers GEN5, which one is better, Dialga or Kyurem-W?
I have this Hyper-Offense team, and i saw myself needing a Wallbreaker, so i am beetwen Dialga and Kyurem-W, i'd like to know, in a Hyper Offense team, which one would be better.
In case someone is wondering, this is my full team:
Mr. Hugs (Dialga) @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Draco Meteor
- Aura Sphere
- Stealth Rock
Genesexy (Genesect) @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Ice Beam
- Iron Head
Kyogre Repellent (Latios) (M) @ Soul Dew
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
Voldemort (Darkrai) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
- Dark Void
- Nasty Plot
- Dark Pulse
- Focus Blast
Quetzelcoalt (Rayquaza) @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
- Dragon Dance
- Extreme Speed
Morgan Freeman (Arceus-Ghost) @ Spooky Plate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Calm Mind
- Focus Blast
It'd be better if you could share the rest of your team.
Personally, I think Dialga fits a little better in the slot than Kyurem-W, seeing as it can help check Gensect, which mauls 4/6 of your team (Latios and Darkrai with U-turn, Rayquaza with Ice Beam, and Kyurem-W with Iron Head) with Kyurem-W.
Changing to specs dialga is going to fuck up your team because you'll need to move SR someplace else and LO already hits hard enough, anyways. If you are struggling with walls use CM Draco Latios (roost, cm, draco, shock) and/or LO Darkrai. (you can also drop Nplot for Taunt but then you would be lame and I wouldn't like you) Oh, and definitely switch to SD Rayquaza. (Espeed, vcreate, dclaw, SD, LO) It's a shame to have so much Genesect pressure and not have SD Ray to smack it for 50% with a +2 Espeed. Plus, you'll be able to throw out unboosted V-Creates early-mid game instead of sitting back waiting to setup Ray.
Dude, you gave me a whole team rate, but i asked Dialga or Kyurem-W XD, but thanks!If you want to make a full review of my team, go here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gen5-sweeping-awesomeness.3491723/
This question I guess applies equally to gens five and six, at least once Pokebank is out.
Having stumbled across an NU Lapras set involving Whirlpool and Perish Song, I notice that Arceus can access the same moves in Ubers. With these two moves, Recover, bulk and the ability to change its typing to deal with whatever threats it wants to, it seems like it could do a job. In that fourth moveslot Taunt would be great to prevent set-up mons boosting up and killing it, but for some reason the god of all Pokemon doesn't get it. I guess Protect or Substitute would be good in that slot.
Has anyone tried this? Did it work?
Yes I have tried this set, also after seeing that Lapras set (long time ago).
Thing is that you have to use this strat on their switch-in not any pokemon of you choice (like Mega-Gengar). Still Arceus amazing bulk makes it possible to beat almost any mon. I might have to try this again. To be honest what made me stop using it on the ladder was whirlpools accuracy of 85%. On the ladder you can pretty much use E-killer and win 90% of you games. And contrary to any other Arceus it does not give the same team-support as Support-Arceus or even E-killer.
I noticed that a lot of arceus sets use calm mind a lot. This may sound completely ignorant, but couldn't a physical attacker just start beating it? Granted, 120/120/120 base defense is an unquestionably strong tank, but since all of the effective arceus sets leave physical defense wide open, couldn't mewtwo with psystrike just wipe out all of them (save dark arceus, of course)? If the opponent uses a super effective physical move while arceus is calm minding, it has to turn its efforts to a threat it probably isn't prepared for. This may be a much smaller problem than I see it, and I rarely battle competitively(I joined smogon because I think the strategy aspect is interesting), so my actual experience is slim, but this seems like a somewhat obvious hole...
Well, that's why most Calm Mind Arceus run 252 HP and 252 Defense EVs with a Bold Nature, much like you see 248 HP/240 Def Volcarona in OU. Dancing multiple times isn't certainly hard for Arceus, considering his natural bulk.