Project Counter That Threat! [Week 6: Doduo]

#80
The voting period is over and the winner is Ponyta!

Week 4's threat is Life Orb Staryu:

Staryu @ Life Orb
Level: 5
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 200 SpA / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power Fire


Post your counters! :]
 
#81
Frillish @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 5
EVs: 236 SpA / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Spout
- Energy Ball
- Hydro Pump
- Shadow Ball

Scarf Frillish lols at every move and kills with energy ball. I'll post calcs when I'm at home and not on mobile with 5% battery.
 

Xayah

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#82
Time for second timein a row I submit a blue Pokemon with no arms!
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Wooper @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 76 HP / 236 Def / 156 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Recover
- Yawn

yeah yeah yeah it's Wooper I know seems bad. But, it does not get 2HKOed by anything this Staryu throws at it:
Staryu Hydro Pump vs. Water Absorb Wooper: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Psychic vs. 76 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Wooper: 8-10 (34.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs. 76 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Wooper: 8-10 (34.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Hidden Power Fire vs. 76 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Wooper: 3-4 (13 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO

In addition, it 2HKOes with EQ:
0 Atk Wooper Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Staryu: 10-13 (52.6 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So, it switches in, Recovers until it has gained back enough HP to take two hits, and KOes Staryu (can do this immediately if it switches into Hydro). Nothing else needs to be said, it counters Staryu and can do it consistently throughout a match.

Also I fucking love this Pokemon. (MBY you better include this)

EDIT: forgot Analytic, but Staryu needs two max rolls for Analytic Psychic + Psychic to KO (same for Ice Beam)
 
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#83

Slowpoke @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 236 Def / 116 SpA / 36 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off

Slowpoke resists every move on the set and stays healthy with Slack Off and Regenerator. It can take Staryu down with Psychic or spread paralysis with Thunder Wave.
200 SpA Life Orb Analytic Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 196 HP / 36+ SpD Eviolite Slowpoke: 9-12 (32.1 - 42.8%) -- 91.6% chance to 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 196 HP / 36+ SpD Eviolite Slowpoke: 6-8 (21.4 - 28.5%) -- 94.9% chance to 4HKO

116 SpA Slowpoke Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Staryu: 10-13 (52.6 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
#84
Chinchou @ Berry Juice
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 5
EVs: 76 HP / 212 Def / 148 SpA / 72 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Thunder Wave
- Scald
- Ice Beam

Chinchou can take any of the coverage of Staryu, specially TBolt, due to its ability, which gives 25% of restores health taking any Electric-type move, and can cripple it with Thunder Wave, or gain momentun against it with Volt Switch.
 
#85

Mantyke @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 76 HP / 36 Def / 200 SpA / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Rain Dance
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power Grass

Eviolite Mantyke can switch into any move Staryu throws at it and at best it can 3HKO Mantyke with Ice Beam or Psychic, but only 1.1% of the time, the rest do completely nothing. Mantyke can tank two hits with ease and proceed to 2HKO Staryu with Hidden Power Grass without any major difficulty.

200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Psychic vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Mantyke: 6-8 (27.2 - 36.3%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Mantyke: 6-8 (27.2 - 36.3%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
200+ SpA Mantyke Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Staryu: 12-16 (63.1 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
#86
The best solution for star is another star

...!

Staryu @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Analytic
Evs: 156 Def / 116 SpA / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

No need to worry, their star doesn't have Thunderbolt but we do!
 
#87
holy shit fine I'll post here just stop pming me my god.

Chimchar @ Salac Berry
Ability: Iron Fist
Level: 5
EVs: 84 HP / 212 Atk / 84 Def / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Thunder Punch
- Endure
- Substitute
- Protect

staryu gets run down by the almighty chimchar as it endures any attack it can throw at it, outspeeds it with it's salac berry and then KO's back with thunder punch. filler moves are there because someone will give me shit for not running four moves. enjoy.
 

Elec.

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#88


Magnemite @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 36 Def / 236 SpA / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Flash Cannon
- Endure
- Recycle

Honestly it doesn't matter which type of Magnemite it is, they both live with Sturdy and that's all that matters. Berry Juice Magnemite can switch in, live, and heal with Berry Juice to then fire off a Volt Switch that OHKOes. Scarf Magnemite outspeeds with Scarf to OHKO anyways. Just remember to remove hazards.
 

Kurukaito

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#89


Shellos @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 228 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earth Power
- Clear Smog

Ez counter, Storm Drain to not be worry about Hpump Recover to recover his HPs, Scald / Earth Power for stab and hit more hard and last Clear Smog to stop sweepers. :)

200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Psychic vs. 228 HP / 100 SpD Eviolite Shellos: 6-9 (22.2 - 33.3%) -- 82.5% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs. 228 HP / 100 SpD Eviolite Shellos: 3-4 (11.1 - 14.8%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Shellos Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Staryu: 7-9 (36.8 - 47.3%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
 
#90
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Munchlax @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Impish Nature
- Return
- Fire Punch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Munchlax can switch into Hydro Pump and proceeds to kill Staryu after LO damage. Fire Punch is for the usual coverage and RestTalk provides recovery and a Spore switch-in. It also works as a check to special attackers like Abra and Gastly and sun.

200 SpA Life Orb Analytic Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 12-16 (40 - 53.3%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
(12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 16)
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 9-13 (30 - 43.3%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
(9, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)

236 Atk Munchlax Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Staryu: 16-21 (84.2 - 110.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
(16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21)
 
#91
It's time to vote! Here are the entries:

Frillish @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 5
EVs: 236 SpA / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Spout
- Energy Ball
- Hydro Pump
- Shadow Ball

Scarf Frillish lols at every move and kills with energy ball.


Wooper @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 76 HP / 236 Def / 156 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Recover
- Yawn

yeah yeah yeah it's Wooper I know seems bad. But, it does not get 2HKOed by anything this Staryu throws at it:
Staryu Hydro Pump vs. Water Absorb Wooper: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Psychic vs. 76 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Wooper: 8-10 (34.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs. 76 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Wooper: 8-10 (34.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Hidden Power Fire vs. 76 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Wooper: 3-4 (13 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO

In addition, it 2HKOes with EQ:
0 Atk Wooper Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Staryu: 10-13 (52.6 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So, it switches in, Recovers until it has gained back enough HP to take two hits, and KOes Staryu (can do this immediately if it switches into Hydro). Nothing else needs to be said, it counters Staryu and can do it consistently throughout a match.

Also I fucking love this Pokemon. (MBY you better include this)

EDIT: forgot Analytic, but Staryu needs two max rolls for Analytic Psychic + Psychic to KO (same for Ice Beam)


Slowpoke @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 236 Def / 116 SpA / 36 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off

Slowpoke resists every move on the set and stays healthy with Slack Off and Regenerator. It can take Staryu down with Psychic or spread paralysis with Thunder Wave.

200 SpA Life Orb Analytic Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 196 HP / 36+ SpD Eviolite Slowpoke: 9-12 (32.1 - 42.8%) -- 91.6% chance to 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 196 HP / 36+ SpD Eviolite Slowpoke: 6-8 (21.4 - 28.5%) -- 94.9% chance to 4HKO

116 SpA Slowpoke Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Staryu: 10-13 (52.6 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Chinchou @ Berry Juice
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 5
EVs: 76 HP / 212 Def / 148 SpA / 72 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Thunder Wave
- Scald
- Ice Beam

Chinchou can take any of the coverage of Staryu, specially TBolt, due to its ability, which gives 25% of restores health taking any Electric-type move, and can cripple it with Thunder Wave, or gain momentun against it with Volt Switch.


Mantyke @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 76 HP / 36 Def / 200 SpA / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Rain Dance
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power Grass

Eviolite Mantyke can switch into any move Staryu throws at it and at best it can 3HKO Mantyke with Ice Beam or Psychic, but only 1.1% of the time, the rest do completely nothing. Mantyke can tank two hits with ease and proceed to 2HKO Staryu with Hidden Power Grass without any major difficulty.

200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Psychic vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Mantyke: 6-8 (27.2 - 36.3%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs. 76 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Mantyke: 6-8 (27.2 - 36.3%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
200+ SpA Mantyke Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Staryu: 12-16 (63.1 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Magnemite @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 36 Def / 236 SpA / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Flash Cannon
- Endure
- Recycle

Honestly it doesn't matter which type of Magnemite it is, they both live with Sturdy and that's all that matters. Berry Juice Magnemite can switch in, live, and heal with Berry Juice to then fire off a Volt Switch that OHKOes. Scarf Magnemite outspeeds with Scarf to OHKO anyways. Just remember to remove hazards.


Shellos @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 228 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earth Power
- Clear Smog

Ez counter, Storm Drain to not be worry about Hpump Recover to recover his HPs, Scald / Earth Power for stab and hit more hard and last Clear Smog to stop sweepers. :)

200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Psychic vs. 228 HP / 100 SpD Eviolite Shellos: 6-9 (22.2 - 33.3%) -- 82.5% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs. 228 HP / 100 SpD Eviolite Shellos: 3-4 (11.1 - 14.8%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Shellos Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Staryu: 7-9 (36.8 - 47.3%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock


Munchlax @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Impish Nature
- Return
- Fire Punch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Munchlax can switch into Hydro Pump and proceeds to kill Staryu after LO damage. Fire Punch is for the usual coverage and RestTalk provides recovery and a Spore switch-in. It also works as a check to special attackers like Abra and Gastly and sun.

200 SpA Life Orb Analytic Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 12-16 (40 - 53.3%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
(12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 16)
200 SpA Life Orb Staryu Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 9-13 (30 - 43.3%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
(9, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)

236 Atk Munchlax Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Staryu: 16-21 (84.2 - 110.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
(16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21)


Remember to vote for the nomination that you believe is the most effective and viable Life Orb Staryu counter.
I excluded non-counters.
 

Xayah

We always have a plan
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#92
I'll vote for Mantyke, on the grounds that it is probably the best counter, though I wholeheartedly disagree (why not RestTalk? why Rain Dance when no Swift Swim?).
 
The voting period is over and the winner is Chinchou!

Week 5's threat is Life Orb Gastly:

Gastly @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
Level: 5
EVs: 36 Def / 196 SpA / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb
- Dazzling Gleam
- Substitute

Post your counters! :]