yeah but you could post this in 90% of all sweepers threats as ditto checks everything that has a move to KO it self.If Dory doesn't have a Balloon, then Ditto just steps all over him.
First 110/60/60 is by no means frail and Steel/ground is an excellent typing both defensively and offensively.I've been using Doryuuzu a bit on several teams in PO and I have to say this really loudly:
DORYUUZU IS REALLY OVERHYPED.
Seriously, to call this thing the "game defining pokemon" is a joke. Its movepool is a face-full of fail and it is really, really fragile. Everyone seems to know that as well, as I've yet to see it on a single team.
Plus, to use it with any degree of effectiveness is to use either Sand Throw or Sand Power and frankly if you go with the former you can't get the OHKO's you need to stay alive with thing's pitiful-for-a-steel/ground-type-defenses, and if you go with the latter you'll get one KO before you're revenge-killed, and thats if you come in on something SLOW. With all the hype surround this guy, you'd think people thought it could use both its abilities at once or something.
And all of this is assuming you wanna run a sand team, and there is a good chance that sand is going to have some severe competition this gen.
Hate to nitpick but doesn't Rhyperior have base 140 attack, making it have the second strongest EQ?Offensivly It means a Stab EQ coming from a 135 base attack is really scary in-fact he gots the strongest EQ of all pokemon bar Groudon who was uber in gen 4.
yeah sry i thought rhyperior had lower attack ( just looked at his stats again and damn this thing looks so good on paper, but saldy isnt worth it in practice :/ )Hate to nitpick but doesn't Rhyperior have base 140 attack, making it have the second strongest EQ?
It may not be frail, but it's certainly not bulky either. Even though it resists Bullet Punch and Extremespeed, priority will still put a large dent in him every time. He's also weak to Aqua Jet, which means many rain teams can check him even in sand.First 110/60/60 is by no means frail and Steel/ground is an excellent typing both defensively and offensively...
Defensively it means that he is resistant to Bullet Punch and E-Speed wich in Gen 4 were by far the most common Priority Moves around. he is weak to the now common Mach Punch, but guess why they are common its mostly to be able to check him.
Yes, he has options. But that just means he can deal with one of his may weaknesses. If he doesn't run Balloon, he can be taken out by Eccentric Ditto, Hippowdon, Gliscor, etc. If he uses a weakness berry, he covers ONE type once. With a weakness to Fire, Water, Fighting and Ground, something can hit you, and hard.He got three sets that all got different counters/Checks if he got Chople Berry you can forget your Technician Breloom or Ropushin you thought that they could revenge him.
Baloon variants cant be counter by things like Hippowdon without Ice Fang, Gliscor etc.
And if he gots a Life Orb lots of things now risk being easily OHKOed even if he now dont gets a SD boost.
Hes, he gets those moves and what else? Swords Dance? That's two usable sets. Claw Sharpen, Brick Break and Shadow Claw are there, but hardly worth mentioning. No priority. Nothing out of the ordinary. That means extremely predictable. And yes, it's strong, but it can be handled if you have the right tools.His move pool is Fail?
he gots all he wants bar Stone Edge as he receives very good coverage with a moveset of EQ,Rockslide,Return/X-Scissor.
Really? Tyranitar and Hippowdon can get to level 103? Gosh, nobody told me.And Sand is really the best weather atm as the sand streamers are 3 levels above Ninetales and Politoed, because they can effecively Lead are bulky and got a use outside of only inducing wheater.
Before they got their ability (or get in Politoeds case) they were NU for a reason and as far as i am concerned they weren't even used there.
Please stop posting.Really? Tyranitar and Hippowdon can get to level 103? Gosh, nobody told me.
Why would you ever run Mold Breaker in order to accomplish spinning? Spin blockers: Gengar, Sableye, Shedinja, Dusclops/Dusknoir, Drifblim, Mismagius, Spiritomb, Dusknoir, Froslass, Giratina, Desukan, Burungeru, Shandera, Goruugu. Out of these, Mold Breaker is only useful for Gengar, Shedinja (does it break through Wonder Guard?), Mismagius, and Giratina. All but Giratina are taking a ton from +2 Rock Slide anyway, and you can even run Shadow Claw. Yeah, Shadow Claw takes away from your other slots, but it's better to have that than not outspeed the entire metagame.Please stop posting.
Anyways, Doryuuzu is easily the best spinner in the game thanks to Mold Breaker. To the point where personally I consider Sand Throw a gimmick.
He can wreck up any spinblocker in the game with EQ, and it's helped by the Rotom forms not being spinblockers anymore.
His bulk is similar to Flygon's, which is pretty dang good for such a fast and powerful sweeper. His Steel Typing also gives him a multitude of resists, meaning opportunities to come in and potentially set up. Unlike many typical frail sweepers, he can take strong neutral STAB attacks from defensive Pokemon and set up with health to spare. Also, Azumarill, Kabutops, and potentially Abagoora are virtually the only viable users of Aqua Jet, and a Rain Dance team is filled with Swift Swimmers who have no need for priority because of the auto speed boost they get. Again, Abagoora is pretty much the only one you'd see, and even then if it's a Rain Dance Shell Breaker it won't even need to carry Aqua Jet. Kabutops otoh, needs to choose between Aqua Jet and Low Kick. The other priority he is weak to, fighting, has helped the popularize the Mach Punchers Roopushin and Breloom to serve as checks to Doryuuzu. Thats an example of shaping the metagame right there.It may not be frail, but it's certainly not bulky either. Even though it resists Bullet Punch and Extremespeed, priority will still put a large dent in him every time. He's also weak to Aqua Jet, which means many rain teams can check him even in sand.
Earthquake, Rock Slide, and Swords Dance is all he really needs to be a major threat. He has a multitude of options in the last slot, or even two more if one chooses to forgo SD; Return, X-Scissor, Brick Break, Rapid Spin, and Shadow Claw. Doryuuzu may be relatively predictable due to the effectiveness of it's typical set, but it is not a one-dimensional team member at all. Doryuuzu can act as an exceptional Sweeper, Revenge Killer, Rapid Spinner, and a Check to many threats, particularly with Balloon-even Garchomp for example. Doryuuzu also is, along with Starmie, the best offensive rapid spinner in the game.Hes, he gets those moves and what else? Swords Dance? That's two usable sets. Claw Sharpen, Brick Break and Shadow Claw are there, but hardly worth mentioning. No priority. Nothing out of the ordinary. That means extremely predictable. And yes, it's strong, but it can be handled if you have the right tools.
The point is that even though their new abilities give Politoad and Ninetales a huge buff, Hippowdon and Tyranitar are still much, much better Pokemon, and they aren't reliant on having their weather going to be useful either. Sandstorm tends to be the most balanced weather, consisting of primarily Ground, Rock, and Steel types. Rain teams consist mainly of water types and can have their weaknesses exploited much easier while sun teams tend to lack focus from what I've seen of them (I haven't fought many sun teams, but they have never been a threat so far).Really? Tyranitar and Hippowdon can get to level 103? Gosh, nobody told me.
Both Ninetales and Politoed have very good tools as leads. Hypnosis, good STAB, Politoed has encore and can sponge special hits. The only thing he's missing is reliable recovery. So yes. They were NU for a reason, just as every pokemon has a tier for a reason. But before there were better options. Now, Toed and Tales can have their time in the sun (...or rain)
Dory is completely dependant on Sand. He is a huge threat, but to the same extent that Kingdra is in Rain. With this reliance on weather and some pretty abusable weaknesses, I do not believe he defines the generation by any stretch of the imagination.
You got it right. Dory certainly isn't broken but it certainly isn't "overhyped" either.I really think evryone's comparing doryuuzu to the wrong pokemon. Imo, it's closest parallel in Gen IV is not Garchomp but Scizor. Scizor used it's powerful priority bullet punch to be the best revenger in the game as well as a good clean-up poke, and also provided scouting with U-turn. Doryuuzu's speed is so high in sandstorm it might as well be priority (off a 0 speed pokemon), but rather than just a 90 BP steel type move it gets a 150 BP earth move for revenging, as well as a 75 bp rock move and another coverage move. It also retains it's ability to switch and still be faster (even if not choiced, as scizor was only faster when bping), making it very good at cleaning up weakened teams, and it could also set up swords dance, for less weakened teams. It also has the ability to provide team support with rapid spin, like scizor did with uturn.
I wouldn't call a choiced pokemon a "sweep," but this wouldn't make a bad revenge killer. for nature run jolly/adamant, and I wouldn't run rapid spin to save my life on this set, but that's just me. instead of x-scissor and rapid spin, you can opt to run brick break and shadow claw for unresisted coverage.he's not broken he's just a really good pokemon during sandstorm and if i'm right he's the fastest rapid spinner.
i decided under a sandstorm to run a CB set like this
doryuuzu
252 atk, 252 spe, 4 def
item: CB
sand throw
EQ
rock slide
x scizzor
rapid spin(?)
under the SS doruuzu becomes a super fast pokemon. so instead of wasting a turn to set up by using swords dance you can start the sweep quicker.
I use the exact same strategy.One of the nastiest things about Doryuuzu is the fact that it has a nearly unblockable Rapid Spin. Jolly Dory OHKOs max / max Bold Burunkeru after a Swords Dance assuming SR and one layer of Spikes. I like to set up hazards on my opponent's Spiker knowing that I can very easily spin the Spikes away later and potentially clean up my opponent's spike-weakened team with Dory or another of my sweepers.
you said that but you sir seriously play doryuzuu better than anyone i have faced before. No one say dory is Overhyped anyway and in term of DP i think the most dominant pokemon later DP is Latias not Salamence(i myself is a hater of salamence especialy DD mence. I LOVE mixmence sorry for straying from topic) Dory is nice. he also easy to fit seeing his "partners" is all powerful poke that you might use without dory. Nattrei, Gyarados, Latias, Terra"epic"kion, etcYou got it right. Dory certainly isn't broken but it certainly isn't "overhyped" either.