I suppose by now we all know that everything in PU with stats better than Phiones has very good stats in ETS. More specialized stats may even give it the ability to perform one role in particular. However, PU isn't just the Tier of mons with bad stats. There's definitely more to a good mon, especially given that it has to compete in the Ubers environment.
First of all, many of the high stat mons have awful typing. Thats mostly true for the big Ice types Cuno, Regice and Cryogonal. You may also add Lapras and Avalugg if you wish. PU is really full of them. Various Grass/Fire/Bug and to an extend Flying types suffer a similar fate. While Ice and Fire are at least good offensively, their defensive stat spread often holds these mons back.
Next, theres the movepool. It tends to be pretty small for most PU and even NU mons. this makes them linear or even outright unable to do what you intend them to do. Lapras for example can't really be a Dragon Dance sweeper due to lacking good Ice Stab or the typing to set up on much, even though it has the speed and bulk needed. As a wall on the over hand, it lacks recovery and is weak to Rocks, making it not very good at switching into the powerful Ubers threats. In Gen 5 it would've been such a nice Hydration tank, but it didn't have Freeze-Dry :/
Then and that's huge in my opinion, there's Arceus. Everyone knows how great Arceus is, but I'll say it anyways because we need it for comparison: Arceus is fast, powerful, bulky, has a very good movepool and is very unpredictably from team preview and sometimes even when it is already on the Field.
While quite a couple of low tier mons now exceed the 120 speed tier, they still lack key qualities that make Arceus so amazing. So when using, say a pure Water type, you have to ask yourself: Why not use Arcues-Water instead? Of course, that depends on whether or not you have already an Arceus on your team.
The last thing immediately came to mind when i saw Magcargo: What does this mon have over Primal Groudon? Most Fire and Ground types tend to be outclassed by Groudon or Ho-Oh in one way or another. And Groudon also leads to what is probably most important: You have to respect the metagame. Since ETS is relatively small there unfortunately hasn't been much of an developement yet, so it mainly comes down to the Ubers meta. And if your team cant touch, say Giratina-O, because all you run are some Bug/Normal/Fire types from PU, you're not gonna succeed. At least the S rank of Ubers, ideally also the A ranks should be considered when building a serious ETS team. Primal Groudon is still the king of anything.
I hope we can get discussion to a point where ETS is a real metagame and not just throwing together cool mons hyped for base stats over 120. It's already there but i think there's still room to improve. Obviously, playing the meta would also greatly help getting real experience and get over theorymonning ;)
First of all, many of the high stat mons have awful typing. Thats mostly true for the big Ice types Cuno, Regice and Cryogonal. You may also add Lapras and Avalugg if you wish. PU is really full of them. Various Grass/Fire/Bug and to an extend Flying types suffer a similar fate. While Ice and Fire are at least good offensively, their defensive stat spread often holds these mons back.
Next, theres the movepool. It tends to be pretty small for most PU and even NU mons. this makes them linear or even outright unable to do what you intend them to do. Lapras for example can't really be a Dragon Dance sweeper due to lacking good Ice Stab or the typing to set up on much, even though it has the speed and bulk needed. As a wall on the over hand, it lacks recovery and is weak to Rocks, making it not very good at switching into the powerful Ubers threats. In Gen 5 it would've been such a nice Hydration tank, but it didn't have Freeze-Dry :/
Then and that's huge in my opinion, there's Arceus. Everyone knows how great Arceus is, but I'll say it anyways because we need it for comparison: Arceus is fast, powerful, bulky, has a very good movepool and is very unpredictably from team preview and sometimes even when it is already on the Field.
While quite a couple of low tier mons now exceed the 120 speed tier, they still lack key qualities that make Arceus so amazing. So when using, say a pure Water type, you have to ask yourself: Why not use Arcues-Water instead? Of course, that depends on whether or not you have already an Arceus on your team.
The last thing immediately came to mind when i saw Magcargo: What does this mon have over Primal Groudon? Most Fire and Ground types tend to be outclassed by Groudon or Ho-Oh in one way or another. And Groudon also leads to what is probably most important: You have to respect the metagame. Since ETS is relatively small there unfortunately hasn't been much of an developement yet, so it mainly comes down to the Ubers meta. And if your team cant touch, say Giratina-O, because all you run are some Bug/Normal/Fire types from PU, you're not gonna succeed. At least the S rank of Ubers, ideally also the A ranks should be considered when building a serious ETS team. Primal Groudon is still the king of anything.
I hope we can get discussion to a point where ETS is a real metagame and not just throwing together cool mons hyped for base stats over 120. It's already there but i think there's still room to improve. Obviously, playing the meta would also greatly help getting real experience and get over theorymonning ;)
