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Gen VII: Pokemon Sun and Moon Discussion MKIII *Official Media Only*
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Okay, Credit where Credit's Due first: These base stat ranges were done by dodiabla and Theorymon and i'm just compiling them together.
So, a few other things to note: Levels aren't included with dodiabla's calculations, but given that Minior, the Tapus, and some of the Alolan Pokemon are the same between the two sets it isn't that big a deal.
If i had to guess, Alolan Ninetales, Raichu, and Exeggutor have the same base HP as their base forms, while it appears that Alolan Raticate's Base HP is probably 71 - 81 (notably improved from regular raticate's base 55 HP). Minior's Base HP may be either 73 or 72, since it had estimated HP stats between 55 and 72 in its reveal and 83 and 73 in the last of the Live Action trailers.
Assuming I'm doing the HP ranges properly, of course.
EDIT: Okay, Went back, combined the two sets and swapped it around a bit so it was consistent, as well as moved it so that the Pokemon that showed up in both are next to each other. The differences is that I left the HP and level next to the ones by Theorymon. Also noticed I missed one minor thing and Bruxish. Whoops. Here's my thoughts on the HP values for the pokemon that have HP values shown in both videos:
Alolan Exeggutor/Ninetales/Raichu: Same Base HP As Non-Alolan Forms (I'll elaborate on something else related to this later, but I'll point out that it makes sense that not all the stats will be changing for Alolan Forms. Question still remains on if the BSTs will remain the same or not.)
Alolan Raticate: 71 - 81
Bruxish: 68 - 82
Minior: 73 - 71 (First off, I do not believe Shields Down will reduce Minior's HP upon activating because it seems like a weird interaction that could have weird consequences if an attack almost OHKO's Minior. It's a lot easier to increase base HP from an ability in that case, i.e. Zygarde. Secondly, If you notice the Base HP stats on the Pokemon from the third Live Action trailer, you may notice an interestingly cool detail: The Raichu used in the first battle appears to have 0 HP IVs, while the Exeggutor and the Ninetales used in the battle after they went training appear to have 31 HP IVs, with the Exeggutor appearing to also have max HP EVs. Because of this, I am Inclined to guess that Minior has base 73 HP, but since it ain't for certain, 71 - 73 still seems like the range to assume given the numbers. Because of this, it may be more likely that Oriocorio (at least the Psychic one) has base 75 HP, but I am less sure on that.)
Pokemon: 0 IV 0 EV - 31 IV 0 EV - 31 IV 252 EV
A-Raticate: 88-86 - 72-71 - 40
Alolan Raticate (192 at Level 70): 81 - 65 - 34
A-Vulpix: 43 - 27 - N/A
A-Ninetails: 78 - 63 - 31
Alolan Ninetales (148 at level 50): 88 - 73 - 41
A-Raichu: 69 - 54-53 - 22
Alolan Raichu (120 at level 50): 60 - 45 - 13
A-Exeggutor: 107-106 - 91 - 60-59
Alolan Exeggutor (202 at level 50): 142 - 127 - 95
Other Alolan Exeggutor (234 at level 70): 110 - 95 - 63
Rowlet: 89-80 - 74-65 - 42-33
Litten: 53-50 - 37-35 - 6-3
Incineroar (158 at level 50): 98 - 83 - 51
Popplio: 63-60 - 47-45 - 16-13
Wishiwashi: 55 - 40-39 - 8-7
Cutifly: 52-50 - 36-35 - 7
Salandit: 49-48 - 34-33 - 2
Minior: 72-71 - 56-55 - 25-24
Minior (148 at level 50): 88 - 73 - 41
Other(?) Minior (142 at level 50): 83 - 68 - 35
Comfey: 59-58 - 44-42 - 12-11
Oranguru: 105 - 90 - 58
Lycanroc-Midday: 81 - 65 - 34
Bruxish: 82 - 67-66 - 35
Bruxish (143 at level 50): 83 - 68 - 36
Palossand: 93 - 77 - 46
Gumshoos: 98-97 - 82-81 - 49-48
Togedemaru: 76-75 - 61-60 - 29-28
Pyukumuku: 102-100 - 86-85 - 55-53
Turtonator: 71-70 - 56-55 - 24-23
Stufful: 80-78 - 65-63 - 33-31
Zygarde 10%: 65 - 50 - 18
Zygarde 100%: 231 - 216 - 184
Solgaleo: 152 - 137 - 105
Tapu stats (172 at level 60): 85 - 70 - 38
Psychic Oriocorio (135 at level 50): 75 - 60 - 28
Charjabg (123 at level 37): 103 - 88 - 56
A-Raticate: 88-86 - 72-71 - 40
Alolan Raticate (192 at Level 70): 81 - 65 - 34
A-Vulpix: 43 - 27 - N/A
A-Ninetails: 78 - 63 - 31
Alolan Ninetales (148 at level 50): 88 - 73 - 41
A-Raichu: 69 - 54-53 - 22
Alolan Raichu (120 at level 50): 60 - 45 - 13
A-Exeggutor: 107-106 - 91 - 60-59
Alolan Exeggutor (202 at level 50): 142 - 127 - 95
Other Alolan Exeggutor (234 at level 70): 110 - 95 - 63
Rowlet: 89-80 - 74-65 - 42-33
Litten: 53-50 - 37-35 - 6-3
Incineroar (158 at level 50): 98 - 83 - 51
Popplio: 63-60 - 47-45 - 16-13
Wishiwashi: 55 - 40-39 - 8-7
Cutifly: 52-50 - 36-35 - 7
Salandit: 49-48 - 34-33 - 2
Minior: 72-71 - 56-55 - 25-24
Minior (148 at level 50): 88 - 73 - 41
Other(?) Minior (142 at level 50): 83 - 68 - 35
Comfey: 59-58 - 44-42 - 12-11
Oranguru: 105 - 90 - 58
Lycanroc-Midday: 81 - 65 - 34
Bruxish: 82 - 67-66 - 35
Bruxish (143 at level 50): 83 - 68 - 36
Palossand: 93 - 77 - 46
Gumshoos: 98-97 - 82-81 - 49-48
Togedemaru: 76-75 - 61-60 - 29-28
Pyukumuku: 102-100 - 86-85 - 55-53
Turtonator: 71-70 - 56-55 - 24-23
Stufful: 80-78 - 65-63 - 33-31
Zygarde 10%: 65 - 50 - 18
Zygarde 100%: 231 - 216 - 184
Solgaleo: 152 - 137 - 105
Tapu stats (172 at level 60): 85 - 70 - 38
Psychic Oriocorio (135 at level 50): 75 - 60 - 28
Charjabg (123 at level 37): 103 - 88 - 56
So, a few other things to note: Levels aren't included with dodiabla's calculations, but given that Minior, the Tapus, and some of the Alolan Pokemon are the same between the two sets it isn't that big a deal.
Assuming I'm doing the HP ranges properly, of course.
EDIT: Okay, Went back, combined the two sets and swapped it around a bit so it was consistent, as well as moved it so that the Pokemon that showed up in both are next to each other. The differences is that I left the HP and level next to the ones by Theorymon. Also noticed I missed one minor thing and Bruxish. Whoops. Here's my thoughts on the HP values for the pokemon that have HP values shown in both videos:
Alolan Exeggutor/Ninetales/Raichu: Same Base HP As Non-Alolan Forms (I'll elaborate on something else related to this later, but I'll point out that it makes sense that not all the stats will be changing for Alolan Forms. Question still remains on if the BSTs will remain the same or not.)
Alolan Raticate: 71 - 81
Bruxish: 68 - 82
Minior: 73 - 71 (First off, I do not believe Shields Down will reduce Minior's HP upon activating because it seems like a weird interaction that could have weird consequences if an attack almost OHKO's Minior. It's a lot easier to increase base HP from an ability in that case, i.e. Zygarde. Secondly, If you notice the Base HP stats on the Pokemon from the third Live Action trailer, you may notice an interestingly cool detail: The Raichu used in the first battle appears to have 0 HP IVs, while the Exeggutor and the Ninetales used in the battle after they went training appear to have 31 HP IVs, with the Exeggutor appearing to also have max HP EVs. Because of this, I am Inclined to guess that Minior has base 73 HP, but since it ain't for certain, 71 - 73 still seems like the range to assume given the numbers. Because of this, it may be more likely that Oriocorio (at least the Psychic one) has base 75 HP, but I am less sure on that.)
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Yeah, they also have them in their online store. Which makes me wonder why the hell they have an eBay storefront, since I'm sure eBay is taking a cut of that...
Purchasing on eBay is easier. In their online store, they only accept Mastercard and Visa. That makes it hard for people like me to shop there (I have Discover). But eBay takes PayPal which takes all major credit cards (including Discover) so it makes it easier for me to buy stuff from them.
It's actually the whole taking credit cards in the first place argument. Credit card companies charge stores for accepting them. But it's too convenient of an option of paying for most stores to deny. It's why you may see small restaurants say that they don't accept credit cards in the first place.
Nintendo put out a new trailer to their Youtube account
Looks like a TV Trailer, tbh, which is cool. About the right time for those to go out.
Incidentally, the Alolan Vulpix has 113hp at level 50. Which, according to showdown (tbh i ain't good enough at math to deal with the formula), is what a regular Vulpix would have with 31IVs.
Looks like a TV Trailer, tbh, which is cool. About the right time for those to go out.
Incidentally, the Alolan Vulpix has 113hp at level 50. Which, according to showdown (tbh i ain't good enough at math to deal with the formula), is what a regular Vulpix would have with 31IVs.
Might as well dump my base HP calcs here since we're so close to release. I didn't take down the level/HP stat from each video but these were all compiled as videos came out from anywhere an HP bar was shown (mostly Japanese reveal trailers). All calcs are assuming 0-31 IVs and no EVs (which is consistent with the vast majority of cases for new Pokemon in XY), except for Pyukumuku which I explained in an older thread. Base HP values following "-->" are ones I'm fairly convinced about since the latest Japanese trailers. I look forward to seeing how close we all get!
Magearna: 80-95 HP (likely 95 since the ally Eevee had 0 IVs)
Rowlet: 65-89 HP, also 64-79 HP, therefore 65-79 HP --> 68 HP
Litten: 35-53 HP, also 30-45 HP, also 39-58, therefore 39-45 HP
Popplio: 49-66 HP, also 35-53 HP, therefore 49-53 HP
Solgaleo: 137-152 HP
Yungoos: 35-74 HP, also 35-55 HP, therefore 35-55 HP
Pikipek: 29-49 HP
Rockruff: 45-62 HP, also 39-54 HP, therefore 45-54 HP
Tapu Koko: 70-85 HP
Charjabug: 42-57 HP --> 57 HP
Vikavolt: 61-77 HP, also 75-91 HP, also 62-77 HP, therefore 75-77 HP
Bruxish: 66-82 HP, also 53-68 HP, therefore 66-68 HP --> 68 HP
Cutiefly: 35-52 HP
Togedemaru: 50-65 HP, also 60-76 HP, therefore 60-65 HP
Mudsdale: 103-118 HP
Salandit: 33-49 HP
Bewear: 105-121 HP
Mimikyu: 55-70 HP
Comfey: 42-59 HP
Oricorio: 68-87 HP --> 75 HP
Minior: 55-72 HP, also 45-60 HP, therefore 55-60 HP
Fomantis: 25-42 HP
Lurantis: 55-71 HP
Gumshoos: 80-96 HP
Wishiwashi: 39-55 HP
Pyukumuku: 85-102 HP, but really 55 HP
Palossand: 77-93 HP
Stufful: 63-80 HP
Crabrawler: 35-54 HP
Turtonator: 55-71 HP
Oranguru: 87-104 HP, also 90-105 HP, therefore 90-104 HP
Lycanroc: 65-81 HP, also 74-89 HP, therefore 74-81 HP
Torracat: 58-74 HP, also 64-80 HP, therefore 64-74 HP
Brionne: 43-61 HP
Dartrix: 74-91 HP
Tsareena: 62-78 HP
Kommo-o: 68-84 HP
Incineroar: 83-98 HP
Rowlet: 65-89 HP, also 64-79 HP, therefore 65-79 HP --> 68 HP
Litten: 35-53 HP, also 30-45 HP, also 39-58, therefore 39-45 HP
Popplio: 49-66 HP, also 35-53 HP, therefore 49-53 HP
Solgaleo: 137-152 HP
Yungoos: 35-74 HP, also 35-55 HP, therefore 35-55 HP
Pikipek: 29-49 HP
Rockruff: 45-62 HP, also 39-54 HP, therefore 45-54 HP
Tapu Koko: 70-85 HP
Charjabug: 42-57 HP --> 57 HP
Vikavolt: 61-77 HP, also 75-91 HP, also 62-77 HP, therefore 75-77 HP
Bruxish: 66-82 HP, also 53-68 HP, therefore 66-68 HP --> 68 HP
Cutiefly: 35-52 HP
Togedemaru: 50-65 HP, also 60-76 HP, therefore 60-65 HP
Mudsdale: 103-118 HP
Salandit: 33-49 HP
Bewear: 105-121 HP
Mimikyu: 55-70 HP
Comfey: 42-59 HP
Oricorio: 68-87 HP --> 75 HP
Minior: 55-72 HP, also 45-60 HP, therefore 55-60 HP
Fomantis: 25-42 HP
Lurantis: 55-71 HP
Gumshoos: 80-96 HP
Wishiwashi: 39-55 HP
Pyukumuku: 85-102 HP, but really 55 HP
Palossand: 77-93 HP
Stufful: 63-80 HP
Crabrawler: 35-54 HP
Turtonator: 55-71 HP
Oranguru: 87-104 HP, also 90-105 HP, therefore 90-104 HP
Lycanroc: 65-81 HP, also 74-89 HP, therefore 74-81 HP
Torracat: 58-74 HP, also 64-80 HP, therefore 64-74 HP
Brionne: 43-61 HP
Dartrix: 74-91 HP
Tsareena: 62-78 HP
Kommo-o: 68-84 HP
Incineroar: 83-98 HP
Meh, the Japanese and UK TV trailer was better. No narrator, no live action bits, just gameplay and awesome music. That is how you hype up your game.
Wow, these calcs are pretty interesting. I'm most surprised by the starters, I expected Rowlet's line to be most frail of the three but it actually has the most HP. It's still possible though that Litten's line and Popplio's line will have higher defenses, and I wouldn't be surprised if Rowlet's higher HP is just a way to improve it's bulk without investing as many stat points in it's defenses.
I swear this guy sounds like the guy who said "Stay tuned for the next episode of Dragon Ball Z" in the dub.
I'm also curious as to what move Snorlax used against Mudsdale.
It looked like giga impact.
What are you talking about? The demo has been available since the 18th of September October. Or are you talking about another thing?
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Something I see that at least 4 people find as funny as hell. I assumed it had come out today, and that anything found out from hacks into the demos came because they got leaked out early. Seems there is always an employee or journalist who is willing to, for one reason or another.
Unfortunately, it seems that the demo wasn't as difficult as the one's I've heard about or in the videos. It was too easy!
They didn't play the demo. They played the real deal.
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