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Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by rokman, Jun 15, 2007.
I thought it was a necklace of garlic...to ward off the spirits.
Could someone remind me when the ghostly looking sprite showed up?
when you go to the pokemon tower in lavendar, but you don't have a silph scope.
My genes pray all the time...who are you kidding?
And actually playing through yellow I didn't notice the whips...then again I was 6 or so.
this thread escalated quickly. but...yeah...the first set of games were definitely a bit more mature than the others, religious overtones aside.
You know, I went back and played the game recently. I started to wonder if Gamefreak was just trying to make Pokemon more realistic. Since, if pokemon were real, they would be slaves... or if Gamefreak just wanted to make something dark. Either way, they sure scared me as a child...
Maybe it was just "the 90's..."
@The Atheist: you're sounding like an overzealous fundamentalist. thanks for making atheism less cool :/
Back on topic, I think that Nintendo had much less control over RBY than they do the later generations; this is probably wrong, but I thought that the first games were already somewhat completed when picked up by Nintendo. Confirm, anyone?
I also came to this conclusion. I was sad when I thought of what they did. They should make at least two more games for DS and then...I don't know.
Wow I never noticed all that. RBY was pretty evil :o
PS: Talking about religion below this line warrants a large infraction
Kumar, you remind me so much of a guy I know in real life.
It didn't bother me at all as a child. It really just flew over my head.
you honestly think that nintendo is ever going to stop making pokemon games? they must be bored of making money
When i played R/B/Y, I did notice the whips and I thought that these whips might be the key item for them in pokemon catching (Team Rocket, anyone).
BTW the TR sprite looks European
Yeah, RBY was pretty dark. But, if you ask me, manga was even more "evil"... In it, the whole E4 and 3 gym leaders were freaking villains... there were "zombie" pokemon in the lost tower, and Koga's arbok got cut in half once...
Maybe RBY trainers were into bondage or something >_>
Its because they had to teach there teams how to sing akon
The whips are so the pokemon can hit for max power when they use Frustration, duh.
This is why RBY is amazing.
It seems that in D/P, pokemon managed to get cheerier and darker at the same time. On one hand, there' spiritomb, the pokemon that was sealed away into the odd keystone, sendoff springs, where the spirits of dead pokemon are supposed to go, and that tower by solaceon town, where you see a lot of tombstones and a couple of people mourning for their lost pokemon. (The lost tower seems to be a recurring element: there's the tower in Lavender city, there's probably some other tower in GSC, that mountain in the middle of route 122 where you get the orbs for RSE). On the other hand there's the random internet humor, the swimmers and lasses ranting about their bikinis and miniskirts, and the famous engrish line
"Regigigas can't get it going because of its slow start!"
Also, I'd have to agree that the manga is seriously dark.
(If you don't want manga spoilers, don't read the rest of this post)
Not sure about any of the D/P issues or the Battle Frontier volumes (serebii hasn't updated its manga section, and all that wikipedia's telling me is that Diamond and Pearl are two guys, acting as a comedy team and bodyguards for the female character), but I've read that team rocket fused together a flareon, vaporeon, and jolteon at one point, and the three legendary birds at another point (and you thought Mewtwo was bad?). Ruby and Sapphire almost get killed by mightyena and a seviper at the beginning of their series, and at the end of the FR/LG saga, Red, Blue, Yellow, Green and Silver get turned to stone after Mewtwo tries to keep Storc from capturing Deoxys. There's probably a lot that I missed along the line, but I'm reasonably certain that this, combined with what mastadi said, nominates the manga for "Darkest part of Pokemon."
lol. That reminds me of Sponge Bob. In one episode, he was pretending to yell at his pet to eat the dessert and to like it.
What Pokedex entries?
The RBY sprites always really scared me, even the pokemon sprites were ominous.
Agatha (E4) looks like she's the rapist grandmother next door.... :/
I actually loved the darker RBY sprites. It kind of gave me the impression of what the creatures really wanted the game to be like before it's popularity and all the kid age based advertising.
btw, this gives more of a message at the end anyways. Professor Oak still says that you won because you loved your pokemon instead of treating them like slaves (which is why everybody else fails at beating you).
This sort of further emphasizes the point I made in the RBY sprites thread, that Pokemon wasn't really marketed exclusively to children back in the day.
That, and japan is kind of dark in general. There are storys about perfectly innocent children being murdered, and That yuki-onna story.
Which one are the lasses?
I always wondered about that, and the later games' explanation was less than satisfactory.
May I notice that the Anime also got more and more bright as time progressed? People may say that the Anime was all happy but lets just compare Gen 1 Gym Leaders to Gen 3. First impressions only.
Brock vs. Roxanne.
Brock was a rough tough guy when Ash first got against him. Having a somewhat crappy past to boot, Brock wasn't exactly the most super happy trainer ever. Roxanne, on the other hand, being a teacher, was a very kind and friendly trainer. Case closed here.
Misty vs. Brawly.
Here's an exception as Misty was already introduced earlier on. Not much to compare.
Lt. Surge vs. Wattson
Surge was a bastard. Having no problems into sending a lot of pokemon straight into hospital, taunting and bullying younger opponents AND hitting on Misty. He was just a tough bastard - until Ash beat him. Wattson was a joke, a laugh, and a friendly ol' chubby. Case closed.
Sabrina vs. Flannery
Ooooh boy, do I really need to remind you how f*cked up Sabrina was? Turning people (including her own MOTHER) into dolls, keeping them captured in a mini city nearly crushing them...can you say dark? Flannery, on the other hand, was a friendly young inexperienced trainer, who kept smiling. Difference much? (Side note: Flannery was a lot tougher on the outside in the game)
Erika vs. Norman
The thing about Erika is that she's a bitch, prohibiting people from entering her gym. Not much of a dark person per se, but she does have a not so friendly side. Norman, on the other hand...yeah...right.
Koga vs. Winona
Koga is perhaps the least notable gym leader in Kanto, being about the only one who Ash beat fair and square in a normal fight. He's not half as dark as the others despite being a ninja. Winona....yeah. Kinda like with Brawly and Misty, there isn't much to say.
Blaine vs. Tate n Liza
Blaine was a broken man who had lost a lot due to all the tourist. But most importantly; he had no problem into commanding his creature made of pure fire to launch a blast of fire at a cute little mouse to send said mouse STRAIGHT INTO A VOLCANO. You see Tate n Liza doing that? No? Me neither.
Giovanni/Team Rocket vs. Juan
We all know Giovanni, to whom insurance money is more important as human lives. Juan is an artist, a preformer, and as such not a dark character either.
See the huge difference? It started in Johto already, with Pryce being the only bitter/dark person among the other gym leaders. Pokemon got bright.