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Latias (Ubers Analysis) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Superimp, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. shrang

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    Yes, I know. I am a lot less adamant about the merge now that the analysis is already written. Don't get me wrong, this is a great analysis due to the detail and effort that's been put in and I'm also a lot more reluctant about the merge, but you can understand why I'm not happy about the fact that explicit instructions from QC were not followed when it they were given. I don't want to see this in the future.

    EDIT: Superimp, I'm aware that Furai is against the merge now, and like I said, I'm not as concerned now because of the amount of information that would be lost, but what I'm disappointed in is that you did not take this on board before you started writing.
  2. shrang

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    (Sorry for double posting but this post is in a totally different mood, so I figured that it's probably better on a fresh slate)

    Anyway, enough of my ranting, let's focus on the analysis, shall we? It's a great analysis with lots of detail, like I said, but there's one thing I'm going to suggest, which should be easily fixable:

    I think Steel-types need to be given a heavier emphasis. Calm Mind Steel Arceus is probably a bigger threat than SD Ghost Arceus (which is just... really ordinary) and stops Latias pretty comfortably. Yes, it's 2HKOed by HP Fire in the sun with high damage rolls if you Calm Mind on the second one, but since Latias is switching into Kyogre a lot of the time, and Steel Arceus being a REALLY good teammate to Kyogre, it's generally taking nothing from HP Fire. It can Calm Mind in your face and beat Latias in a Calm Mind war if it has Roar (since you'd be Roared out first). Ghost Arceus takes a massive beating from Draco Meteor and since most of the SD Ghost Arceuses I've seen use ExtremeSpeed over Recover, it's one time switch-in at best.
  3. Superimp

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    Since this appears to be your current thoughts on the matter, I’ll just respond to this.

    As Furai just stated shrang, the Offensive Pivot and Defensive Calm Mind sections in particular were already written (though not very polished) before the merge was proposed. Poppy and Furai were fully aware that these sections were completed since early October; trickroom was aware since early December. Even Theorymon was aware by late December, but he hasn't posted in the thread. In fact, both Furai and Theorymon actually saw the completed sections upon their request since the beginning of January.

    I also posted a statement in late December that these sections were already written:

    It's mostly my fault though. I should have either made it absolutely clear that these sections were finished or revealed the completed sections for comment. Sorry about that.

    Anyway, since you’re no longer as concerned about a possible merge, let's just focus on polishing this analysis.

    ---------------------------​

    Here are my replies to Furai and shrang. Thanks for your suggestions; I will try to implement any relevant polishing as soon as I can. Of course, any further suggestions from anyone is always welcome.

    Response to Furai’s Comments:
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    This is intentional; I imagine I can’t really go mentioning specific teammates for Latias since she is a glue Pokemon. That being said, these sections could definitely benefit from some rewording to minimize the feeling of overuse, so I’ll see what I can do about improving the overall feel of these paragraphs.

    Yeah, I eventually realized that once I did an overall glance. It should be fixed now.

    Fixed.

    Yeah, we definitely can’t forget about Gliscor (and SpD)! Implemented.

    For your other concerns, here’s what I have written in the Offensive Pivot section:

    Offensive Pivot can definitely still sweep using her offensive coverage. Even All-Out Attacker can sweep using her weather dependent coverage. However, having limited coverage (and relative bulk) holds her back; this understandably works against maximizing sweeping potential. This is why players like Poppy believe Offensive Pivot isn’t really geared towards sweeping:

    In a sense, Offensive Pivot uses the threat of a possible sweep as a means of ramping offensive pressure. Sweeping isn’t really a singularly defined purpose for Offensive Pivot.

    Defensive Calm Mind on the other hand is specialized towards sweeping. I believe the other SC paragraphs describe this in more detail, but like you said the first paragraph is probably a bit confusing in its current form - I’ll improve its clarity.

    The “Do not attempt to sweep” part was intended to connect with the “For the short-term” part. In other words, it’s supposed to mean “Do not attempt to sweep with Defensive Calm Mind in the early game.” This sentence has now been reworded.

    Toxic is used against Kyogre without Rest (i.e. CM + 3 Attacks Kyogre), but since it’s AC and a bit questionable, I have removed it. The sentence should hopefully be fixed now.

    Fixed.

    The goal of this Other Options section is to stimulate the reader’s imagination. My own personal thoughts on these moves are completely irrelevant; the only thoughts that matter are those of the reader. As the analysis writer, the only thing that I’m doing is providing an accessible list of possible “viable” options. The readers, not me, will determine whether or not a move is viable.

    For example, you believe that Magic Coat isn’t viable. I too believe Magic Coat isn’t viable. But that does not mean that other players believe that Magic Coat isn’t viable. In fact, I have actually seen some players use Magic Coat Lati@s despite its extremely high opportunity cost. Clearly, these players are willing to sacrifice the tried and true benefits of the standard Latias sets in exchange for whatever benefits Magic Coat provides (i.e. reflecting entry hazards, Taunt, etc.). And that goes for her other possible options too: Sucker Punch for actual priority against Pokemon like Deoxys-A, DragonBreath for possible paralysis, etc.

    Even though you and I may not believe these moves to be viable, other players might. This is perfectly fine; I gear the Other Options section so that the reader uses their own thoughts and ideas to develop their own Latias. If some player finds a certain invented set that works particularly well for them, then they’re more than welcome to run that set to their heart’s desire. Its viability just isn’t guaranteed.

    That being said Furai, Sandstorm really DOES suck. It has now been removed. Oh, and I also merged Sleep Talk and Rest for simplicity.

    I know it’s Swords Dance Bug Arceus, but since He technically does work (and is still a standard set), I think it’s only fair to keep Him in the Checks / Counters section for the time being.

    The Steel-type paragraph has been moved ahead of the Arceus paragraph. Your suggestion makes a lot of sense, especially since the Steel-type paragraph is much more favorable than the Arceus paragraph.

    Hidden Power Fire is currently implied in the first sentence of that paragraph. Coincidentally, what you have written is actually what I had before the weather dependent coverage was shifted to the first sentence. However, Ferrothorn’s sentence is probably a bit misleading in its current form, so I’ll try my best at making it a little more elegant.

    Outrage Palkia was originally mentioned, but it was removed because the term “physical Choice Scarf user that can OHKO Latias” is pretty broad; I imagine many readers would infer that Choice Scarf Palkia with Outrage would be a check. However, a specific mention of Outrage Palkia probably wouldn’t hurt, as it would give a concrete example of a special Choice Scarf user that can revenge kill Latias - it has been reimplemented. However, that’s probably going to be it for Palkia since it doesn’t really want to be taking on Latias using special attacks, especially those that have a Calm Mind up or are named Specially Defensive.

    Psyshock has been implemented.

    If you’re referring to the Steel-types paragraph, I’m not sure if it actually can be given a heavier emphasis. In fact, I recently moved that paragraph ahead of the Arceus paragraph upon Furai’s suggestion. Right now, Steel-types are mentioned before most checks, only losing out to the counters (SD Arceus-Ghost) and the best checks (Tyranitar, SD Arceus-Bug, Lugia). However, I’m pretty sure that this isn’t the intention of your suggestion; I think your suggestion is about increasing the emphasis on Calm Mind Arceus-Steel.

    To be honest, I am not surprised that you pointed out CM Arceus-Steel; CM Arceus-Steel is quite the controversial check. Just to begin, here is what I specifically wrote in the skeleton about CM Arceus-Steel:

    This is obviously a simple and general outline; my test results go into significantly more detail upon His performance against Latias. I’ll provide some of them here to hopefully find an acceptable solution that can work for both of us.

    MATCHUP 1: All-Out Attacker Latias VS. Calm Mind Arceus-Steel

    [scroll=20]All-Out Attacker Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel using CM under sun + SR

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 62% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 16
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 31% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    The sunlight is strong.

    All-Out Attacker Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel using Judgment under sun + SR

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 56% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 14
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    Latias lost 85 HP! (24% of its health)

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 37% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    The sunlight is strong.

    All-Out Attacker Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel using Recover under sun + SR

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 62% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 15
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 59% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 16
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 56% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 17
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 57% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 18
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 56% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 19
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 51% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    The sunlight is strong.[/scroll]
    Like you said, Calm Mind Arceus-Steel cannot switch into Hidden Power Fire under sun; He is no counter. After SR, He always loses. Otherwise, he takes everything comfortably and is generally a great check.

    MATCHUP 2: Defensive Calm Mind Latias VS. Calm Mind Arceus-Steel

    [scroll=20]+6 Dragon Pulse [on switch-in] last-Pokemon Defensive Calm Mind Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel after SR

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 69% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 27
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 24% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    +6 last-Pokemon Defensive Calm Mind Latias VS. last-Pokemon CM Arceus-Steel after SR

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into Arceus-Steel!

    Start of turn 26
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 194 HP! (43% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 27
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 152 HP! (34% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 28
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 159 HP! (35% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 29
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 138 HP! (31% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 30
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 118 HP! (26% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 31
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 119 HP! (26% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 32
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    The foe's Latias used Roost!
    The foe's Latias landed on the ground!
    The foe's Latias regained health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 33
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 91 HP! (20% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 34
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Roar!
    But it failed!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 35
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    The foe's Latias used Calm Mind!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 36
    Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    The foe's Latias lost 24% of its health!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 73 HP! (16% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 37
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Dragon Pulse!
    It's not very effective...
    Arceus-Steel lost 78 HP! (17% of its health)

    The sunlight is strong.

    A ridiculous amount of turns later...

    Start of turn 98
    Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!

    The foe's Latias used Roost!
    But it failed!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 99
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    But it failed!

    The foe's Latias used Roost!
    But it failed!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 100
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    But it failed!

    The foe's Latias used Roost!
    But it failed!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 101
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    But it failed!

    The foe's Latias used Struggle!
    Arceus-Steel lost 24 HP! (5% of its health)
    The foe's Latias is damaged by recoil!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 102
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Struggle!
    Arceus-Steel lost 25 HP! (5% of its health)
    The foe's Latias is damaged by recoil!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 103
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Struggle!
    Arceus-Steel lost 26 HP! (5% of its health)
    The foe's Latias is damaged by recoil!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 104
    Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    Arceus-Steel regained health!

    The foe's Latias used Struggle!
    Arceus-Steel lost 25 HP! (5% of its health)
    The foe's Latias is damaged by recoil!
    The foe's Latias fainted![/scroll]

    This is no fun at all. There are two main phases to this matchup: early-game and last-Pokemon. Early-game is initially in favor of Arceus-Steel, but this soon disappears if Latias becomes the last Pokemon.

    In the early game, Arceus-Steel is a very good answer. Reliable recovery, higher Speed, and the Steel-typing helps a lot with weathering Latias’s attacks. His faster Roar allows Arceus-Steel to use her as Calm Mind bait while placing a temporary stop to her war of attrition. However, His lack of super effective coverage and her resilience to attrition (Levitate) means that Latias has the definite possibility of becoming the last Pokemon, a stage where Arceus-Steel’s performance completely deteriorates.

    Should Arceus-Steel come across a last-Pokemon Latias with Roar, He is easily phazed out. Once Latias gets to +6, Arceus-Steel is always 2HKOed by Dragon Pulse on the switch-in. In other words, Arceus-Steel cannot properly check Latias until the rest of His teammates are gone. What more, if a last-Pokemon CM war does occur, it’s not fun for either side. Both are unable to defeat the other because of their lack of super effective coverage; their bulk is simply too great for their STAB moves to overcome. Essentially, the Calm Mind war becomes a tedious stalemate where the victor is decided based on PP or hax. Something very similar also happens against non-Roar Latias variants, but Latias now has to win the stalemate against Arceus-Steel in order to sweep the opposing team.

    Summing it up, CM Arceus-Steel performs very well in the early game (Providing He has Roar of course), but isn't really reliable when Latias is last Pokemon. However, He does perform the best out of all CM Arceus formes, so I suppose that is an advantage in His favor.

    MATCHUP 3: Specially Defensive Latias VS. Calm Mind Arceus-Steel

    Self-explanatory.

    MATCHUP 4: Offensive Pivot Latias VS. Calm Mind Arceus-Steel

    [scroll=20]Psyshock last-Pokemon Offensive Pivot Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel under sun

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 23
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 24
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 25
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 26
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Psyshock!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 54% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 27
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Psyshock!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 48% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 28
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 29
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 30
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    Latias lost 75 HP! (23% of its health)

    Latias used Psyshock!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 72% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 31
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    Latias lost 79 HP! (25% of its health)

    Latias used Psyshock!
    It's not very effective...
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 24% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Thunder last-Pokemon Offensive Pivot Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel under sun

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 17
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Thunder!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 34% of its health!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 18
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 19
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 20
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 21
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 22
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 23
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Thunder!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 35% of its health!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 24
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Thunder!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 35% of its health!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 25
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    Latias lost 84 HP! (26% of its health)

    Latias used Thunder!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 35% of its health!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 26
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Thunder!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 37% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 27
    Latias used Thunder!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 38% of its health!

    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Rain continues to fall.

    Start of turn 28
    Latias used Thunder!
    A critical hit!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 52% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    Rain continues to fall.

    HP Fire on switch-in Offensive Pivot Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel under sun + SR

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 62% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 14
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    Latias lost 82 HP! (26% of its health)

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 31% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    The sunlight is strong.

    HP Fire last-Pokemon Offensive Pivot Latias VS. CM Arceus-Steel under sun

    REDACTED sent out Arceus-Steel!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 22
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 23
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 24
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 25
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 26
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Calm Mind!
    Latias's Sp. Att. rose!
    Latias's Sp. Def. rose!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 27
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Att. rose!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel's Sp. Def. rose!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 64% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 28
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 58% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 29
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 57% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 30
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Recover!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel regained health!

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 64% of its health!

    The sunlight is strong.

    Start of turn 31
    The foe's Arceus-Steel used Judgment!
    Latias lost 93 HP! (29% of its health)

    Latias used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel lost 5% of its health!
    The foe's Arceus-Steel fainted!

    The sunlight is strong.[/scroll]

    For most scenarios, Arceus-Steel is generally quite reliable against Offensive Pivot. Roar puts a stop to any Calm Mind shenanigans; His very good bulk easily absorbs Thunders, Dragon Pulses, or Psyshocks. However, should Offensive Pivot manage to survive as a last Pokemon (or Arceus-Steel lack Roar), He will always lose to Psyshock variants. A stalemate will also occur against Thunder variants under rain, where the victor is decided based on PP or hax (Latias actually has a slight advantage due to Thunder outdamaging Judgment).

    Of course, Hidden Power Fire destroys Arceus-Steel under sun, but that’s AC.

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    Looking at what I have written in the analysis, it’s clear that I have grossly simplified Arceus-Steel’s performance. I will definitely make an attempt to make it a bit more accurate.

    Oh and just before I forget, SD Arceus-Ghost is mentioned as a counter because He actually is a counter. Since He is a standard set and is still viable in the Uber metagame, it makes sense to include Him.

    Arceus-Ghost can safely switch into any move Latias has (including an All-Out Attacker Draco Meteor; it can never OHKO after SR and a layer of Spikes). He has no notable weak points. Having a physical super effective STAB is huge; regardless of Calm Mind or Light Screen, He will always 2HKO if not OHKO Latias. This along with reliable recovery and superior Speed also helps Him deal with attrition. All together, Arceus-Ghost is the most consistent Latias answer of them all.

    In this analysis, I try to reflect the standard sets whenever possible. Acendotal evidence is always a bit questionable; I myself have seen plenty of variants use Recover for reliable recovery. Since Arceus-Ghost has Recover as a main and only slash in His analysis, I think it’s only fair to assume that this is true for the purpose of this checks / counters section.

    Thanks for your input shrang.


    P.S. Your edit Furai will be addressed indirectly once the analysis nears completion. Until then, just for reference, I will leave your full post here:
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    I'm sorry, Superimp, but I was under the impression that when I posted the suggestion to merge the two sets (in November), that you were not finished and therefore still had greater flexibility in writing the sets up. Had you been more responsive at the time and told me that you've practically finished writing up the analyses, and then shown me what the possible merging of the sets could result in, I would have been a lot more understanding. This is why I'm getting the impression that you simply ignored what QC told you to do. With hindsight, I respect your decision to keep the two sets separate because it ended up being the right thing to do, but if you think something is wrong with our suggestions, speak up immediately (and in a way that I can see it), not AFTER the deed has been done. Keeping quiet only gives me an impression that you're either 1) busy with something other than the analysis, or 2) openly ignoring us.

    So yes, I will apologise for the misunderstanding. I know I've been rather bossy and sometimes openly hostile, but I hope you can understand this ist due to a breakdown of communication.

    As for the Steel Arceus issue, yes, Hidden Power Fire in the sun 2HKOes (1), while Psyshock allows Latias win if Arceus does not have Roar (2). However, in case (1), you have to remember what kind of Pokemon Latias is switching into most, and how Steel Arceus can for the majority of the time, take pretty much take nothing from All out attacker Latias even with HP Fire. I would presume that you'd be using a sun team if you want Latias to have any way of 2HKOing Steel Arceus at all. However, what is Latias generally doing on a sun team? Countering Kyogre of course. If you switch into Kyogre, where is your sun boosted HP Fire? It's not like the opponent is to let you go to Groudon and then go to Steel Arceus to take on Latias, they're going to go straight to Steel Arceus while it's raining. I know that in the sun, you can win with good prediction, but Latias's job dictates that a lot of the time, she will be facing Steel Arceus in the rain, thus making SteelCeus a good counter. As for Defensive CM, Steel Arceus with Roar wins every time barring crits (if Latias is the last mon, you'd be sure as hell I'd be forcing Latias to kill everything on my team so Steel Arceus doesn't get Roared out, unless I have like Forretress with Rapid Spin + 3 hazards or something). Otherwise, Steel Arceus outspeeds Latias and Roars her out. I'd concede last mon offensive Latias with Psyshock though.
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    As I previously stated shrang:

    In other words, I agree. Anyway, since this misunderstanding is now cleared up, I’ll just address your remaining comments.

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    For All-Out Attacker, if Latias ever finds herself under sun, Steel Arceus ceases to be a totally safe answer; this is why it isn’t accurate to classify Him as a counter even if He is a very good answer most of the time. This situation actually occurs more often than one might expect, which is why other members believe that Hidden Power Fire should stay as a main slash and keep saying stuff like this:

    Like you said, one of Latias’s main purposes is to take on Kyogre. However, another purpose for this set is to simply blast holes through teams AKA why she is given that coverage in the first place. If a player gave their Latias Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire, then it would only be logical to assume that the player would attempt to give her favorable situations (i.e. get rid of rain) whenever possible. If you have any concerns on why one would even think about running Hidden Power Fire despite her role as a Kyogre answer, consider directing them to players like Furai, Tobes, Syrim, trickroom, or Poppy given their extensive usage of such a set.

    For Defensive CM, like you and I said, Steel Arceus with Roar will generally win most of the time (i.e. when Latias isn’t last Pokemon). However, as I previously stated:

    This isn’t exactly a reliable way of defeating Latias, hence why Steel Arceus isn’t really a “counter” for last-Pokemon Defensive CM. He’s definitely a great answer for other scenarios though.

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    Any relevant polishing has now been implemented. Given that the polishing phase has lasted around twelve days, I imagine it’s time for this analysis to enter the GP phase.
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    That's fine then. There's something else I remembered now which I forgot to mention before. Calm Mind Dark Arceus has pretty little to fear from Latias as well, being able to Calm Mind up faster than Latias, immune to Psyshock and hits super effectively with Judgement. I know you mentioned Support Dark Arceus, but Calm Mind isn't there (and is more threatening)
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    Here is what I currently have shrang:

    CM Arceus-Dark is a very good answer to Latias in general, only being ineffective against Roar Defensive Calm Mind and Specially Defensive. Support Arceus-Dark is also a very good answer to Latias, only being ineffective against Roar Defensive Calm Mind and Specially Defensive. In other words, their performance against Latias is almost identical. There are only a few small quirks that sets them apart, such as CM Arceus-Dark taking consecutive Draco Meteors better and Support Arceus-Dark being significantly more effective against Specially Defensive. Still, I imagine it’s pretty subjective on whether one can deem a set better than the other, even if CM Arceus-Dark is much more common (and threatening).

    Right now, I just opted to mention Support Arceus-Dark first and then group all the Calm Mind Arceus formes together. I could group the Arceus-Dark sets together (And doing so would actually make a lot of sense given that Arceus-Dark pretty much outclasses Arceus-Psychic – the Arceus forme currently paired up with Arceus-Dark – in every way concerning performance against Latias), but for the sake of simplicity I kept them separate.

    Hope this answers any concerns shrang.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Too long has Latias shied away from the embattled Uber tier, for with the aid of her precious Soul Dew, her time is at hand. From nothing into something, Latias makes her triumphant return; she is back and better than ever. To the horror of every Kyogre, Latias can now use her numerous resistances, fantastic ability, and excellent Speed to their maximum potential. She isn't just an offensive pivot; Latias can be a balanced all-out attacker, a potent sweeper, or an exceptional special wall. Although her brother Latios is far more offensively inclined, her bulk is more than enough to make up for her relative power. However, Soul Dew is not the perfect solution. Her weaknesses to Dragon-, Ice-, Bug-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks remain a hindrance, and her physical Defense is only average at best. But none of this is enough to put a damper on her bright spirit; Latias is the rising star of the Uber tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All-Out Attacker
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Grass Knot / Thunder
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Surf
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 164 HP / 148 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Not willing to be left behind by her brother Latios, Latias returns with great Speed, surprising power, and fantastic special bulk. Flying in and out of the battlefield as she pleases, Latias eases her teammates' sweep by blasting holes through the opposing team. She is not only capable of grabbing the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets thanks to great initial offensive pressure and coverage, but maintains special bulk exceeding that of tank Ho-Oh; this is her most balanced set yet.</p>

    <p>Casting aside the consistency of Dragon Pulse, Latias takes up her most powerful STAB option&mdash;Draco Meteor. By far her strongest immediate attack, it pulverizes any Pokemon lacking a resistance or great special bulk. No longer can bulky Dragon-types such as Giratina-O or Dragon Arceus-Dragon possibly survive; they are now OHKOed with ease. Even after the Special Attack drop, Draco Meteor is still powerful enough to discourage Dragon-type Pokemon, most notably Rayquaza, from seeking a free switch-in. Roost provides reliable recovery, increasing her lifespan so that she can better fulfill her purpose.</p>

    <p>Latias's remaining slots are dedicated towards maximizing coverage. One slot provides utility against Kyogre; the other slot provides weather dependent coverage against Steel-type Pokemon. Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire is the preferred option for most teams, in particular sun, due to a lesser reliance on weather, its ability to deal with all auto-weather inducers such as Groudon and Tyranitar, and its specialization against Latias's key checks, in particular Ferrothorn and Jirachi. For those using rain, Thunder and Surf is are a better options. Although it is highly reliant on rain and incapable of defeating opposing Ferrothorn, unlike the former, this combination is capable of defeating Manaphy, Lugia, and Heatran. It is also better suited for blasting holes or even sweeping thanks to superior overall coverage and power.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>When maximizing damage output, both Speed and Special Attack are crucial. Yet with the increased power of Draco Meteor along with its inherent hit-and-run nature, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on bulk while still maintaining great offensive pressure. As such, her EV spread guarantees the 2HKO on specially defensive Giratina regardless of Stealth Rock, ensures that Timid Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, and allows her to outspeed opposing positive base 102 Speed Pokemon such as like Garchomp. If Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, simply transfer 4 Speed EVs into Special Attack as the Speed compensation is unneeded.</p>

    <p>Although bulk is one of Latias's greatest strengths, it is advised to refrain from any further bulk investment. By all means feel free to take EVs away from Special Attack and Speed, but remember that this works against her intended role. Lowering her Special Attack greatly weakens her damage output, while lowering her Speed hinders her ability to offensively force switches by as well as outspeeding threats. This is unacceptable for a set geared towards both strong initial offensive pressure and Speed.</p>

    <p>It is much more practical depending on your personal preference to take EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack or Speed instead. For those running Hidden Power Fire, 148 HP / 164 SpA / 196 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Groudon after a layer of Spikes. 100 HP / 164 SpA / 244 Spe with a Timid Nature can be run if you're willing to approach bare minimum bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed opposing positive base 108 Speed Pokemon like Terrakion, that is still ensuring that Choice Scarf Kyogre's Water Spout is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock. If even greater Speed is desired, Hidden Power Fire must be forgone because of its inherent Speed drop. 88 HP / 168 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid Nature allows her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110s Speed Pokemon, literally being at bare minimum bulk. If at this point you still wish for more Special Attack, consider using Latios, her more offensively inclined brother, instead.</p>

    <p>Despite her focus on strong coverage, her coverage slots can be configured to provide any desired utility. If you are willing to run redundant coverage, STAB Dragon Pulse inflicts consistent damage, bluffs, and allows her to more effectively late-game sweep late-game should the opportunity arise. However, the loss of either utility against Kyogre or Steel-type Pokemon hurts its viability. Similarly, STAB Psyshock deals with FightingArceus-Fighting and possibly even Chansey or Blissey after some prior damage, but is useless against most Calm Mind sweepers due to her lack of Calm Mind. If you seek the utility for taking on these Calm Mind users, Psych Up allows Latias to copy her opponent's current boosts. This recharges Draco Meteor for reuse and allows her to defeat any Calm Mind Kyogre. When paired with Psyshock, Latias becomes capable of taking on many Calm Mind Arceus formes. However, Psych Up is highly situational and cuts into coverage; it should only be considered if there is no other alternative for taking on Calm Mind users on your team. Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with her intended usage under rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>The bane of all-out attacker is its vulnerability to setup sweepers. Although Pokemon such as Dragon Dance Rayquaza are still unable to set up after a Draco Meteor, dangerous sweepers such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Mewtwo, and Latios are capable. Left unchecked, these threats will prove particularly problematic; this issue is further exasperated by her inability to reliably boost.</p>

    <p>Without Calm Mind, her sweeping potential and utility against opposing Calm Mind sweepers is significantly reduced. Unless she carries Psych Up, Latias is incapable of defeating Calm Mind Kyogre; this problem is similarly seen against Calm Mind Arceus. Thunder Wave variants will also prove problematic, albeit to a lesser extent due to reduced Speed investment. Likewise, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as she is forced to either attack or Roost. However, unlike offensive pivot, she at least has better options in increased coverage and bulk.</p>
    This is all mostly obvious and reiterated

    <p>All-out attacker is quite straightforward: (colon) find an opportunity to switch in, decide whether to attack or Roost, and then switch out if the situation turns undesirable. As such, despite her lean towards offense, she fits on almost any team. However, stay clear of placing Latias on a team that cannot afford to allow an opposing Pokemon to set up, or she will prove to be the detriment of the team.</p>

    <p>unlike other Latias sets, all-out attacker requires some specific team support in order to function at full capacity. It is critical that she is paired up with teammates that can deal with dangerous setup sweepers. For example, Wallceus takes on physical setup sweepers such as Extreme Killer and Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, (RC) while Ferrothorn deals with special setup sweepers such as Kyogre, Latias, and Manaphy. As long as this criterion is fulfilled, Latias will prove to be a great glue Pokemon, providing excellent balance between both offensive and defensive utility. However, should Latias mispredict using her coverage, switch-ins like such as Genesect that carry super effective attacks will be most disliked. As such, Pokemon that resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates, in particular Steel-type Pokemon such as Steel Arceus, Heatran, and Jirachi. Since As Latias's great offensive pressure tends to force a lot of switches, partnering her with offensive Pokemon such as Groudon, Kyogre, and Genesect is advised. Similarly, entry hazards from users such as Skarmory and Forretress are excellent for punishing switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOs. Finally, since because Latias still has a few coverage deficiencies, make sure these shortcomings are patched up in some form. For instance, should she lack Thunder, a Toxic user or very potent attacker such as Kyogre or Zekrom can help deal with troublesome Lugia.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Roar / Refresh / Substitute
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, only clever, bold, and strategic play can maximize Latias's chance to sweep. Her slots for offensive coverage are limited; she will always be left helpless against certain checks. Thus, the only way for Latias to truly overcome her coverage deficiency is by backing away from offensive coverage and focusing on her non-attacking options instead.</p>

    <p>For the short-term, Latias focuses on disruption, handling threats, and warring through attrition. Do not attempt to sweep in the early-game; she has too many checks that can stop her at this stage of the game. Instead, focus on using her fantastic special bulk to easily come into threats such as Kyogre, and Calm Mind Arceus, and resisted attacks. From there, proceed to wear the opponent's team down. Dragon Pulse acts as her reliable STAB attack, doing respectable damage despite the lack of investment. Calm Mind acts as her utility against opposing Calm Mind users, while Roost increases her longevity. Her last slot is an extension of her overall purpose. Roar handles opposing setup sweepers along with weakening most switch-ins, (AC) providing there is sufficient entry hazard support. Refresh maintains vitality by curing her of detrimental status, granting utility against status users like Pokemon such as Gliscor. Substitute eases prediction, providing an opportunity to scout, damage, or switch regardless of Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Even with so many fail-safes, only when the time is right, when the opponent's team is sufficiently weakened, does Latias come in to finally sweep. Calm Mind acts as her win condition, dramatically increasing her offensive and defensive potential so that she becomes a force to be reckoned with. Roar phazes any opposing Calm Mind user that dares Calm Mind alongside her, allowing her to proceed unheeded. Refresh crushes any team that now only has status to defeat Latias. Substitute protects her from most non-damaging moves as well as stalling low PP attacks, allowing her to defeat foes such as Ferrothorn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The longer Latias is able to last throughout the match, the better her chances of sweeping. As much bulk as possible is necessary for outlasting the opponent, setting up Calm Minds, and for using her non-attacking moves to their highest potential. Yet when Latias is finally able to sweep, she needs to be able to outspeed the maximum number of threats. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum amount of bulk possible while still maintaining the Speed necessary to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like such as Latios. The invested bulk also ensures that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>As all teams are different, it follows that Latias is the same. Depending on your personal preference, feel free to take some EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack. 216 HP / 40 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Palkia after Stealth Rock. However, taking too many EVs away from HP compromises her bulk, diminishing her ability to last throughout the match. However, heavy investment in Special Attack will leave her as a weaker Latios with marginally higher bulk. nothing more than a Latias with inadequate bulk, extremely limited coverage, and a non-attacking move that is only situationally effective; a more offensive Latias set is a the better option.</p>

    <p>Similarly, you can easily take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her Special Attack and bulk. 252 HP / 40 SpA / 24 SpD / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia after Stealth Rock along with some extra special bulk. Feel free to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that lesser Speed makes it more difficult to sweep; this is counterproductive for her purpose. If you wish for a very bulky Latias, specially defensive is the superior option.</p>

    <p>Although Latias's other moves are mandatory for her sweeping purpose, her last slot can run a rather unique option&mdash;Reflect Type. By copying the opponent’s typing, not only does it allow her to safely switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock, but also completely changes her checks. For example, Tyranitar is unable to Pursuit her effectively. A Genesect or Scizor switch-in will find their U-turn or Pursuit ineffective, instead granting momentum to Latias. Ferrothorn will now find its Leech Seed and other attacks useless, leaving it vulnerable as Calm Mind setup bait. However, Reflect Type is a situational move; more often than not will it be complete deadweight against teams that lack Pokemon that Latias can benefit from. Reflect Type can also backfire to disastrous results; once it has been revealed, it can be played around.</p>

    <p>Due to her emphasis in bulk, Latias has a deficiency in offense. This leaves her initial offensive pressure quite poor in comparison with her more offensive sets; she doesn't grab momentum nearly as easily. Do not expect any immediate results, for Latias needs to find the right time to set up Calm Minds for in order to rival them in offensive impact. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although this issue is worked around when she finally sweeps, this does not mean it is resolved in the short-term. Her checks are still as annoying as ever should they be unweakened and safely switched in, especially since she lacks the coverage to immediately get rid of them. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out should she lack a Substitute.</p>

    <p>Certain issues against Kyogre remain despite the increased level of her bulk. Although she is still capable of defeating Calm Mind Kyogre one-on-one, it's nowhere even close to the ease offensive pivot experiences. Should she lack Roar, significantly more time will be required, increasing her chance of losing to an unfortunate critical hit or detrimental status; this problem is similarly seen against other opposing Calm Mind users. Likewise, Thunder Wave Kyogre proves a hassle should she lack Refresh. What's more, Latias still suffers from the Choice Specs Kyogre mindgame, as though Water Spout is now manageable, Ice Beam is still far too powerful for Latias to handle without Reflect Type.</p>

    <p>Latias shines when she is used strategically for long-term benefit. She fits best on teams that take their time, such as stall, Spikes-stacking, and balanced. It is unwise to place her on teams that demand extreme offensive bias like hyper offense, as her initial offensive pressure is unable to keep up with their pace.</p>

    <p>Only entry hazard support is mandatory when using defensive Calm Mind. Entry hazards are crucial for capitalizing on her ability to force switches as well as wearing down the opponent's team. Otherwise, Latias doesn’t require any other specific team support, instead acting as a fantastic glue Pokemon by providing both a win condition as well as considerable threat checking utility. However, since as Latias is dependent on entry hazards, spinblockers such as GhostArceus-Ghost, Giratina, and Giratina-O can prove great teammates despite common weaknesses, especially since as they provide a convenient resistance to Bug-type attacks. In the early game, Latias still dislikes switch-ins that safely switch in with super effective attacks, like such as Genesect, so Pokemon that resist her weaknesses are happen to be great teammates. Good choices can range from Jirachi to Heatran and Ferrothorn to Forretress, many of which happen to provide valuable entry hazard support. Carrying a physical wall such as Wallceus or Skarmory is also wise for taking on physical threats like such as Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Finally, since because she lacks offensive coverage, make sure to have a game plan against her checks in the short term. For instance, should Ferrothorn safely switch in on a Latias lacking Substitute, Xatu and Forretress can help mitigate its impact while providing Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Looking for the best Kyogre counter in the game? Cease your search, for in her most defensive role yet, Latias's special bulk is simply titanic&mdash;even specially defensive Giratina is outmatched. No other Latias set compares with her amount of utility, for she not only checks and counters the very same threats that they are capable of, but can accomplish feats that other Pokemon can only dream of.</p>

    <p>Following the use of Light Screen, Latias and her team becomes nigh impenetrable on the special side. No longer will she have to fear Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam; any Kyogre is reduced to mere impotency. For as long as Light Screen remains active and she be at reasonable health, no special attacker in the game has the strength to overcome her. Not even Mewtwo's Psystrike, renowned for being the bane of special walls like Chansey, is capable of getting past Latias Light Screen. In fact, Mewtwo will find itself checked by Latias, who can switch in with ease, possibly use Light Screen, and then proceed to Roost up or Roar. It's not just Mewtwo either: any Calm Mind Arceus, Deoxys-A, Dialga, other Latias, Manaphy, Omastar, Palkia, Reshiram, Shaymin-S&mdash;even Choice Specs Kyurem-W itself&mdash;will find themselves surprised by her sheer tenacity. Even wearing Latias down will prove difficult, for Roost provides reliable recovery and allows her to maintain long-term presence. Roar phazes any threat that tries to set up, weakening most switch-ins providing there is sufficient entry hazard support.</p>

    <p>Despite her lack of investment, Latias is no weakling; her last slot provides a potent STAB attack. Dragon Pulse is the preferred option for its high reliability. For those who desire more power, Draco Meteor is a better option. Its great power initially exceeds that of any Calm Mind Latias set, devastating opposing Dragon-type Pokemon. However, its Special Attack drop makes it inconsistent; Light Screen and Roar help minimize any serious repercussions.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, the sheer number and power of its special attackers necessitate heavy investment in special bulk. But unlike other special walls, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on Speed while still maintaining titanic special bulk. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum special bulk possible while still allowing her to outspeed opposing neutral base 95 Speed Pokemon like such as Kyurem-W and Rayquaza. The invested bulk also ensures that Mewtwo's unboosted Life Orb Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Latias can easily be tweaked depending on your personal preference to more effectively take on certain special attackers. Feel free to take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk instead. 252 HP / 12 Def / 148 SpD / 96 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding neutral base 90 Speed Pokemon like Kyogre and Reshiram; this allows her to better deal with threats such as Deoxys-A and Mewtwo. You're welcome to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that lesser Speed makes it significantly more difficult for her to Light Screen or Roost before a relatively slow hit, or out-phaze with Roar.</p>

    <p>Conversely, you can easily take some EVs away from Special Defense and invest it in her Speed. 252 HP / 52 SpD / 204 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're willing to sacrifice significant special bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed positive base 90 Speed Pokemon such as Kyogre and Reshiram. However, any further Speed investment is counterproductive due to compromising her ability to safely switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock; this is a significant incentive for her usage.</p>

    <p>Light Screen, Roost, and Roar are crucial to Latias's purpose; they are irreplaceable. However, if you are willing to forgo a STAB Dragon-type attack, Refresh can be run to alleviate detrimental status. Toxic allows Latias to more effectively take down opposing Pokemon that can no longer be forced out, such as late-game Calm Mind Arceus. It also deals significant damage to very bulky opponents like such as Lugia. However, both options leave her particularly vulnerable to Taunt users and fail to take advantage of Soul Dew's Special Attack boost; this hurts their viability.</p>

    <p>Since As Latias places so much emphasis into her bulk, it is understandable that her offense suffers. Although she is no offensive deadweight thanks to Soul Dew and her STAB Dragon-type attacks, she still isn't very strong; she has the weakest overall offensive pressure out of all Latias sets. She not only forgoes any Special Attack investment whatsoever, but lacks Calm Mind; the opposing team will have to be significantly weakened if she is ever going to sweep offensively. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although any special checks are now ineffective, her physical checks remain as problematic as ever should they be unweakened and safely switched in, especially since she lacks the coverage to immediately get rid of them. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out.</p>

    <p>Her issue in offense has little effect on her performance against Kyogre. Latias's increased special bulk, Light Screen, and Roar gives her far more luxury; no longer will she have to play on Kyogre's terms&mdash;she comes in whenever she wants to. For instance, a Latias at full health is capable of safely switching into a full power, Critical Hit Choice Specs Water Spout. In every single relevant scenario, she will reliably and consistently counter Kyogre regardless of set. Her only possible issue, endgame Calm Mind Kyogre, is averted by getting in first beforehand and utilizing Roar to rack up entry hazard damage. Light Screen allows other teammates to deal with Kyogre more effectively, while she still has the ability to take it on in a pinch; she can successfully outstall the attacking moves of a +6 mono-attacker Kyogre despite the possible burn.</p>

    <p>If your team needs extra reassurance against special threats, Latias's performance will not disappoint. Despite her lean towards defense, she fits on all by the most offensive teams. As such, avoid placing her on teams that demand extreme offensive bias like hyper offense, or her lack of strong offense will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>The closest thing to a glue Pokemon out of all Latias sets is specially defensive. She isn't really used with specific teammates; she holds a team together by answering a wide range of threats. Latias is invaluable for providing specific team support in phazing, Light Screen, and more. However, physical attackers that carry super effective attacks, like such as Genesect, are a huge hindrance, so physically bulky Pokemon that resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates. In particular, physical walls such as Wallceus and Skarmory are for the most part fantastic partners, especially since because they are better suited for taking on physical threats like such as Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Since Because Latias in turn is particularly good at taking on special attackers, entry hazard support from users such as Ferrothorn and Forretress can help make the most of her ability to force switches as well as compensating for her reduced offensive power. Latias also finds many last Pokemon situations particularly bothersome, so Perish Song support from an Arceus forme is greatly appreciated. Cleric support from the likes of Blissey or Chansey is also wise for curing her of detrimental status like Toxic. Lastly, since as Latias lacks offensive coverage, make sure to have a game plan against her checks. For instance, should Ferrothorn manage to safely switch in, Xatu and Forretress can help minimize its impact while provideing Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Pivot
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Thunder / Psyshock
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 48 HP / 208 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Latias is traditionally defensive in nature, do not be deceived; Latias can act as an incredible offensive pivot in her own right. Excelling in the ability to switch into a multitude of threats, such as Kyogre and several Calm Mind Arceus, she immediately places offensive pressure in the form of either a possible Calm Mind or attack. Although she does not grab the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets, she has the potential to grab the most momentum due to Calm Mind.</p>

    <p>After a single Calm Mind, Latias is capable of dealing more damage to the opponent than any other set while also giving her the potential to sweep. Dragon Pulse is a reliable STAB attack, dealing considerable damage thanks to her heavy Special Attack investment. Roost grants Latias reliable recovery, essential for maintaining her health and for checking threats. For her last slot, both options are useful for their utility against Kyogre. Thunder is the preferred option thanks to its superior coverage against Steel-type Pokemon such as Genesect and Scizor. If you intend to take on Calm Mind users, her STAB Psyshock is a better option. By bypassing any Calm Mind boost through attacking their physical Defense instead, Latias will almost always win the Calm Mind war. It also allows her to beat Chansey, Blissey, and Terrakion more effectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Being an offensive pivot, having as much Speed and Special Attack as possible is critical. The Speed is necessary for outspeeding the maximum number of threats, while the Special Attack is necessary for KOs and increasing overall offensive pressure. As such, Latias's EV spread de-emphasizes offense in favor of bulk in favor of offense, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia regardless of Stealth Rock as well as allowing her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. Even with her weakened focus on bulk, she still possesses excellent special bulk; her special bulk is greater than support Grass Arceus-Grass.</p>

    <p>Even in the constrained role of an offensive pivot, Latias remains flexible. You can easily take EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk instead depending on your personal preference. 60 HP / 208 SpA / 240 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding positive base 108 Speed Pokemon like Terrakion, while 100 HP / 216 SpA / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp. Feel free to take away even more EVs from her Speed, but do recall that Latias's Speed is one of her greatest advantages; taking too much Speed away is counterproductive for her purpose.</p>

    <p>Likewise, you can choose to take EVs away from Special Attack and invest it in her bulk. However, it too is counterproductive for her purpose; the heavy Special Attack investment is crucial for using her attacking moves to their highest potential. Lowering her Special Attack not only greatly weakens the power of her Dragon Pulse, but also her lone coverage move. For instance, Latias can only 2HKO Forretress after Stealth Rock using Thunder guaranteed if she is running at least 204 SpA EVs. If you lower her Special Attack significantly in exchange for bulk, defensive Calm Mind is probably the better option.</p>

    <p>Although Latias is offensively focused, her slots remain readily adaptable. If you are willing to forgo the utility of Calm Mind, Tailwind doubles the speed of your entire team. This allows her to possibly retain momentum even after she switches out. Hidden Power Fire loses utility against Kyogre, but incinerates opposing Steel-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Excadrill under sun. However, it's weather dependent, does nothing negligible damage to Heatran and Ho-Oh, and comes at the cost of losing the Speed tie against other positive base 110s Speed Pokemon. Surf on the other hand maintains her ability to Speed tie with these Pokemon as well as having greater base power so that it still damages Steel-type Pokemon considerably. For example, Surf always 2HKOes specially defensive Scizor after Stealth Rock. However, it too is weather dependent as well as being ineffective against opposing Ferrothorn. For those seeking to maintain their utility against Kyogre, Grass Knot is a possible option while also being significantly more effective against Tyranitar and Groudon. However, its lesser coverage against Steel-type Pokemon in comparison with Thunder hurts its viability. Similarly, Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with the prevalence of rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>Latias has two main issues as offensive pivot: initial bulk and coverage. Due to her lowered de-emphasis in bulk, Choiced and Thunder Wave variants of Kyogre can prove problematic. Most notably, Choice Scarf Ice Beam is an almost guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock; this is a serious problem given that any Latias caught on the switch will hamper momentum. Similarly, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as Latias is only able to attack or Roost; Calm Mind is not an option due to the high risk of being 2HKOed. Her lack of bulk also hurts her ability to safely take on Calm Mind sweepers such as Electric Arceus that heavily invest in Speed and Special Attack.</p>

    <p>Latias suffers from a lack of coverage. Although she can get past many of her checks with the right coverage move, she only gets one. As such, Latias will always be left helpless against certain checks. Even then, U-turn users such as Genesect will always force her to switch out, seriously harming her ability to Calm Mind or sweep.</p>

    <p>To utilize Latias to her maximum potential, play to her strengths. Due to her offensive pivot nature, she fits best on teams with an offensive focus. Avoid placing her on teams with a more defensive focus or even balanced, as her lack of bulk against threats such as Choice Specs Kyogre will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>Providing she is placed on an offensive team, Latias does not need to be used with any specific Pokemon. She acts as an amazing glue Pokemon by filling crucial gaps in teams. For instance, most offensive teams find Kyogre problematic and cannot afford to run Pokemon such as Gastrodon or Grass Arceus due to their inferior offensive pressure. These teams greatly appreciate Latias's Speed, Special Attack, and her still excellent special bulk, especially since as she carries reliable recovery and Calm Mind unlike Palkia. However, Latias greatly dislikes switch-ins that carry super effective attacks, like such as Genesect, so Pokemon that resist her weaknesses happen to be make great teammates. Depending on your team, good choices might include Steel-type Pokemon like Steel Arceus and Forretress, or it might include Pokemon with more situational typing like Ho-Oh and Fighting Arceus. Speaking of switch-ins, many offensive Pokemon are capable of utilizing her forced switches to pose an immediate threat. Genesect, Kyogre, and Groudon are some of the many Pokemon that happen to be particularly good at this role. Similarly, entry hazard support is great for taking full advantage of her ability to force switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOs. Finally, make sure her coverage problem is addressed in some form. For instance, if Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, have a method of dealing with Ferrothorn such as Xatu, which coincidentally also provides Magic Bounce support for the rest of your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As one of the most versatile Pokemon in the Uber tier, Latias will almost always have something that appeals to what you're trying to achieve. If you're looking for a good dual screens user, why not consider Latias? Combined with Light Clay, she can reliably dual screen and then sacrifice herself with Healing Wish to give one of your damaged sweepers another chance to sweep. Interested in a Kyogre-checking wish supporter? Why not use Latias, who boasts incredible longevity and Levitate? Or if you're a bit daring, why not maximize Latias's excellent base 110 Speed with a Choice Scarf and Trick? And with so many niche moves that she can use to reasonable success, you have plenty of options to choose from: Psycho Shift, Safeguard, Thunder Wave, Magic Coat, Reflect, Hidden Power Fighting, Double Team, Charm, Dragon Breath, Sucker Punch, Mist Ball, Icy Wind, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Protect, and RestTalk, and Magic Room; invent your own Latias to find your perfect fit.</p> Magic room really doesn't ever need to be mentioned. Ever.

    <p>However, by running an unorthodox set, the opportunity cost will be high; you forgo all the tried and true benefits that the other sets all-out attacker, defensive Calm Mind, specially defensive, and offensive pivot bring to the table. Many other Pokemon can fulfill these roles, if not better: Deoxys-S, Latios, Cresselia, or even Deoxys for dual screens; (SC) Chansey, Blissey, or Jirachi for wish support; (SC) and almost every single notable Dragon-type used in Ubers for Choice Scarf. But don't let this opportunity cost get in your way; if there is a set that you personally find to be effective, then by all means feel free to use it as you see fit.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Latias is a very fun Pokemon to use; she isn't as fun to face. Her only true counter is Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, who which boasts greater Speed, reliable recovery, and the ability to either OHKO with Shadow Force or at worst 2HKO with Shadow Claw. Any other checks are dependent on the selection of both her moves and set.</p>

    <p>When playing against Latias, be wary of mindlessly switching in. When combined with sufficient entry hazard support, Roar will quickly whittle the health of your checks down; she can potentially overpower these weakened checks later during the game. As such, checks that have obscure weak points and either Pursuit or reliable recovery will generally perform the most consistently. Unless met with Grass Knot on the switch-in, Tyranitar can easily weather Latias's attacks, checkmating with Pursuit or Crunch. Swords Dance Bug Arceus with X-Scissor performs similarly to Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, but is severely damaged on the switch-in by sun boosted Hidden Power Fire. Multiscale Lugia, preferably specially defensive, can use Toxic and either phaze or stall her with impunity, but once damaged, even it will fall to consecutive rain Thunders on the switch-in.</p>

    <p>The remaining checks to Latias are less consistent than the aforementioned, since as they either have noticeable weak points, only work against certain sets, are easily worn down, or are predominately revenge killers. It's not a bad idea to carry more than one of these checks to fully address Latias; if one check goes down against a certain set, the others can still potentially defeat her. This also combats her ability to defeat checks through attrition. Speaking of attrition, you can attempt to use this against her; without Leftovers, Latias can eventually be worn down through residual damage. However, working against her Levitate makes this easier said than done, as she is almost fully immune to entry hazards.</p>

    <p>Steel-types are solid checks to Latias, only fearing attrition or her weather-reliant Hidden Power Fire, Thunder, or Surf in accordance to their secondary typing. Genesect and Scizor are the most notable, placing a halt to most sweeps with their STAB U-turn and possible Pursuit from Scizor. Both Jirachi and Heatran wall her when placed in favorable weather. Ferrothorn is a huge annoyance to Latias lacking Substitute or the aforementioned Hidden Power Fire, stacking hazards with almost complete impunity. Bulky Excadrill can easily tank her STAB attacks and retaliate with Earthquake. Although rare, Metagross can checkmate Substitute-lacking Latias with Meteor Mash or Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Support Dark Arceus and utility counter Psychic Arceus with Payback easily defeat any Latias lacking Roar. Extreme Killer Arceus 2HKOes with ExtremeSpeed, but cannot safely switch into an all-out attacker Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Calm Mind Arceus formes such as Dark, Psychic, Steel, Ghost, Rock, Ice, and Bug Arceus generally check offensive pivot and all-out attacker quite well. Dark and Psychic Arceus are the most consistent; Steel Arceus outspeeds with Roar but is vulnerable to endgame Psyshock or sun boosted Hidden Power Fire; Ghost and Rock Arceus under sandstorm are unable to defeat Psyshock variants at all; Ice and Bug Arceus are similar but have vulnerabilities to both Stealth Rock and sun boosted Hidden Power Fire. However, all Calm Mind Arceus have issues against specially defensive. They also cannot defeat Roar defensive Calm Mind; Steel Arceus, the only exception, fights endgame Latias to a stalemate.</p>

    <p>Any faster Pokemon that is capable of OHKOing Latias can act as a revenge killer. These consist of strong physical Choice Scarf users such as Zekrom, Kyurem-B, Outrage Palkia, and Heracross, and those with natural Speed advantage such as Swords Dance Dragon Arceus and Outrage Kingdra under rain. Strong priority users such as Giratina-O and Mamoswine can also pick off weakened Latias. Darkrai can Dark Void and attempt to set up, but if Sleep Clause is activated or she already has a Calm Mind or Light Screen up, then its chance of victory will be slim.</p>

    <p>Should Latias lack Psyshock or Refresh, Chansey and Blissey with their ridiculous special bulk can stop most sweeps. Wobbuffet can use her as setup bait, but has a vulnerability to entry hazards and cannot actually defeat Latias. Ho-Oh can possibly be a fantastic check with its terrific special bulk and Regenerator, but its vulnerability to Stealth Rock along with Surf, Thunder, and Psyshock limits its potential. Sucker Punch Bisharp forces Latias out, but its paltry special bulk ensures that it won't be able to do so consistently.</p>

    [Unreleased]

    <p>Although Latias has now unlocked her full potential, there is one Pokemon that still hides in shadow&mdash;Chandelure. Thanks to Shadow Tag and its STAB Fire- and Ghost-type attacks, it makes an excellent teammate for its ability to trap and remove many of her checks and counters. What more, Latias has little to fear from opposing Chandelure, as after the boost from Soul Dew, its attempts to damage Latias will simply be laughable. Only with Curse or Trick can it prove to be a bothersome threat.</p>


    I made a bit of a mistake in renaming the arceus formes, so feel free to ignore that. I just think Arceus-Ghost sounds better than Ghost Arceus.

    This was very long, and there was a lot of repetition and fluff within the sets. Its length really needed to be cut down, as some things said in each set's description was sometimes already mentioned. There might be even more prose to cut down on by the 2nd GP check, I wasn't going to rewrite every sentence to make it devoid of fluff with such a long analysis.

    This REALLY needs to go up; excellent work with the longest analysis I've ever done; some 14 pages of solid text in MSword.

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    After discussing some matters over with GatoDelFuego, his GP check has now been implemented. I have tried to incorporate as many of his changes as possible to concise this analysis unless critical information was compromised. Upon his advice, I have also reworded some "similar sounding sentences" found in different sets.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Too long has Latias shied away from the embattled Uber tier, for with the aid of her precious Soul Dew, her time is at hand. From nothing into something, Latias makes her triumphant return; she is back and better than ever. To the horror of every Kyogre, Latias can now use her numerous resistances, fantastic ability, and excellent Speed to their maximum potential. She isn't just an offensive pivot; Latias can be a balanced all-out attacker, a potent sweeper, or an exceptional special wall. Although her brother Latios is far more offensively inclined, her bulk is more than enough to make up for her relative power. However, Soul Dew is not the perfect solution. Her weaknesses to Dragon-, Ice-, Bug-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks remain a hindrance, and her Pphysical Defense is only average at best. But none of this is enough to put a damper on her bright spirit; Latias is the rising star of the Uber tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All-Out Attacker
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Grass Knot / Thunder
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Surf
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 164 HP / 148 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Not willing to be left behind by her brother Latios, Latias returns with great Speed, surprising power, and fantastic special bulk. Flying in and out of the battlefield as she pleases, Latias eases her teammates' sweep by blasting holes through the opposing team. She is not only capable of grabbing the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets thanks to great initial offensive pressure and coverage, but maintains special bulk exceeding that of tank Ho-Oh; this is her most balanced set yet.</p>

    <p>Casting aside the consistency of Dragon Pulse, Latias takes up her most powerful STAB option&mdash;Draco Meteor. By far her strongest immediate attack, it pulverizes any Pokemon lacking a resistance or great special bulk. No longer can bulky Dragon-types such as Giratina-O or Dragon Arceus possibly survive; they are now OHKOed with ease. Even after the Special Attack drop, Draco Meteor is still powerful enough to discourage Dragon-type Pokemon, most notably Rayquaza, from seeking a free switch-in. Roost provides reliable recovery, increasing her lifespan so that she can better fulfill her purpose.</p>

    <p>Latias's remaining slots are dedicated towards maximizing coverage. One slot provides utility against Kyogre; the other slot provides weather dependent coverage against Steel-type Pokemon. Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire is the preferred option for most teams, in particular sun, due to a lesser reliance on weather, its ability to deal with all auto-weather inducers such as Groudon and Tyranitar, and its specialization against Latias's key checks, in particular Ferrothorn and Jirachi. For those using rain, Thunder and Surf is are better options. Although it is highly reliant on rain and incapable of defeating opposing Ferrothorn, unlike the former, this combination is capable of defeating Manaphy, Lugia, and Heatran. It is also better suited for blasting holes or even sweeping thanks to superior overall coverage and power.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>When maximizing damage output, both Speed and Special Attack are crucial. Yet with the increased power of Draco Meteor along with its inherent hit-and-run nature, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on bulk while still maintaining great offensive pressure. As such, her EV spread guarantees the 2HKO on specially defensive Giratina regardless of Stealth Rock, ensures that Timid Kyogre's Choice Scarf Timid Ice Beam is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, and allows her to outspeed opposing positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp. If Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, simply transfer 4 Speed EVs into Special Attack as the Speed compensation is unneeded.</p>

    <p>Although bulk is one of Latias's greatest strengths, it is advised to refrain from any further bulk investment. By all means feel free to take EVs away from Special Attack and Speed, but remember that this works against her intended role. Lowering her Special Attack greatly weakens her damage output, while lowering her Speed hinders her ability to offensively force switches as well asby outspeeding threats. This is unacceptable for a set geared towards both strong initial offensive pressure and Speed.</p>

    <p>It is much more practical depending on your personal preference to take EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack or Speed instead. For those running Hidden Power Fire, 148 HP / 164 SpA / 196 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Groudon after a layer of Spikes. 100 HP / 164 SpA / 244 Spe with a Timid Nature can be run if you're willing to approach bare minimum bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed opposing positive base 108 Speed Pokemon like Terrakion, that isstill ensuring that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Water Spout is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock. If even greater Speed is desired, Hidden Power Fire must be forgone because of its inherent Speed drop. 88 HP / 168 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid Nature allows her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon, literally being at bare minimum bulks. If at this point you still wish for more Special Attack, consider using Latios, her more offensively inclined brother, instead.</p>

    <p>Despite her focus on strong coverage, her coverage slots can be configured to provide any desired utility. If you are willing to run redundant coverage, STAB Dragon Pulse inflicts consistent damage, bluffs, and allows her to more effectively sweep late-game sweep should the opportunity arise. However, the loss of either utility against Kyogre or Steel-type Pokemon hurts its viability. Similarly, STAB Psyshock deals with Fighting Arceus and possibly even Chansey or Blissey after some prior damage, but is useless against most Calm Mind sweepers due to her lack of Calm Mind. If you seek the utility for taking on theseCalm Mind users, Psych Up allows Latias to copy her opponent's current boosts. This recharges Draco Meteor for reuse and allows her to defeat any Calm Mind Kyogre. When paired with Psyshock, Latias becomes capable of taking on many Calm Mind Arceus formes. However, Psych Up is highly situational and cuts into coverage; it should only be considered if there is no other alternative for taking on Calm Mind users on your team. Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with her intended usage under rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>The bane of all-out attacker is its vulnerability to setup sweepers. Although Pokemon such as Dragon Dance Rayquaza are still unable to set up after a Draco Meteor, dangerous sweepers such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Mewtwo, and Latios are capable. Left unchecked, these threats will prove particularly problematic; this issue is further exasperated by her inability to reliably boost.</p>

    <p>Without Calm Mind, her sweeping potential and utility against opposingLatias is unable to check Calm Mind sweepers is significantly reduced. Unless she carriesKyogre without Psych Up, Latias is incapable of defeating Calm Mind Kyogre; this problem is similarly seen against Calm Mind Arceus. Thunder Wave variants will also prove problematic, albeit to a lesser extent due to reduced Speed investment. Likewise, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as she is forced to either attack or Roost. However, unlike offensive pivot, she at least has better options in increased coverage and bulk.</p>

    <p>All-out attacker is quite straightforward;: find an opportunity to switch in, decide whether to attack or Roost, and then switch out if the situation turns undesirable. As such, despite her lean towards offense, she fits on almost any team. However, stay clear of placing Latias on a team that cannot afford to allow an opposing Pokemon to set up, or she will prove to be the detriment of the team.</p>

    <p>U
    nlike other Latias sets, all-out attacker requires some specific team support in order to function at full capacity. It is critical that she is paired up with teammates thatwho can deal with dangerous setup sweepers. For example, Wallceus takes on physical setup sweepers such as Extreme Killer andlike Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, while Ferrothorn deals with special setup sweepers such as Kyogre, Latias, and Manaphy. As long as this criterion is fulfilledOtherwise, Latias will prove to be a great glue Pokemon, providing excellent balance between both offensive and defensive utility. However, should Latias mispredict using her coverage, switch-ins like Genesect thatwho carry super effective attacks will be most disliked. As such, Pokemon thatwho resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates, in particular Steel-type Pokemon such as Steel Arceus, Heatran, and Jirachi. SinceAs Latias's great offensive pressure tends to force a lot of switches, partnering her with offensive Pokemon such as Groudon, Kyogre, and Genesect is advised. Similarly, Pokemon who can set up entry hazards from users such as Skarmory and Forretress are excellent for punishing switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOes. Finally, becausince Latias still has a few coverage deficiencies, make sure these shortcomings are patched up in some form. For instance, should she lack Thunder, a Toxic user or very potent attacker such as Kyogre or Zekrom can help deal with troublesome Lugia.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Roar / Refresh / Substitute
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, only clever, bold, and strategic play can maximize Latias's chance to sweep. Her slots for offensive coverage are limited; she will always be left helpless against certain checks. Thus, the only way for Latias to truly overcome her coverage deficiency is by backing away from offensive coverage and focusing on her non-attacking options instead.</p>

    <p>For the short-term, Latias focuses on disruption, handling threats, and warring through attrition. Do not attempt to sweep in the early-game; she has too many checks thatwho can stop her at this stage of the game. Instead, focus on using her fantastic special bulk to easily come into threats such as Kyogre, and Calm Mind Arceus, and resisted attacks. From there, proceed to wear the opponent's team down. Dragon Pulse acts as her reliable STAB attack, doing respectable damage despite the lack of investment. Calm Mind acts as her utility against opposing Calm Mind users, while Roost increases her longevity. Her last slot is an extension of her overall purpose. Roar handles opposing setup sweepers along with weakening most switch-ins, providing there is sufficient entry hazard support. Refresh maintains vitality by curing her of detrimental status, granting utility against status users like Gliscor. Substitute eases prediction, providing an opportunity to scout, damage, or switch regardless of Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Only when the time is right, when the opponent's team is sufficiently weakened, does Latias come in to finally sweep. Calm Mind acts as her win condition, dramatically increasing her offensive and defensivepotential so that she becomes a force to be reckoned with. Roar phazes any opposing Calm Mind user thatwho dares Calm Mind alongside her, allowing her to proceed unheeded. Refresh crushes any team that now only has status to defeat Latias. Substitute protects her from most non-damaging moves as well as stalling low PP attacks, allowing her to defeat foes such as Ferrothorn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The longer Latias is able to last throughout the match, the better her chances of sweeping. As much bulk as possible is necessary for outlasting the opponent, setting up Calm Minds, and for using her non-attacking moves to their highest potential. Yet when Latias is finally able to sweep, she needs to be able to outspeed the maximum number of threats. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum amount of bulk possible while still maintaining the Speed necessary to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. The invested bulk also ensures that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>As all teams are different, it follows that Latias is the same. Depending on your personal preference, feel free to take some EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack. 216 HP / 40 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Palkia after Stealth Rock. However, taking too many EVs away from HP compromises her bulk, diminishing her ability to last throughout the match. Heavy investment in Special Attack will leave her as nothing more than a Latias with inadequate bulk, extremely limited coverage, and a non-attacking move that is only situationally effective; a more offensive Latias set is the better option.</p>

    <p>Similarly, you can easily take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her Special Attack and bulk. 252 HP / 40 SpA / 24 SpD / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia after Stealth Rock along with some extra special bulk. Feel free to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that lesser Speed makes it more difficult to sweep; this is counterproductive for her purpose. If you wish for a very bulky Latias, specially defensive is the superior option.</p>

    <p>Although Latias's other moves are mandatory for her sweeping purpose, her last slot can run a rather unique option&mdash;Reflect Type. By copying the opponent's typing, not only does it allow her to safely switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock, but also completely changes her checks. For example, Tyranitar is unable to Pursuit her effectively. A Genesect or Scizor switch-in will find their U-turn or Pursuit ineffective, instead granting momentum to Latias. Ferrothorn will now find its Leech Seed and other attacks useless, leaving it vulnerable as Calm Mindsetup bait. However, Reflect Type is a situational move; more often than not will it be complete deadweight against teams thatwho lack Pokemon that Latias can benefit from. Reflect Type can also backfire to disastrous results; once it has been revealed, it can be played around.</p>

    <p>Due to her emphasis in bulk, Latias has a deficiency in offense. This leaves her initial offensive pressure quite poor in comparison with her more offensive sets; she doesn't grab momentum nearly as easily. Do not expect any immediate results, for Latias needs to find the right time to set up Calm Minds in order to rival them infor offensive impact. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although this issue is worked around when she finally sweeps, this does not mean it is resolved in the short-term. Her checks are still as annoying as ever should they be unweakened and safely switched in, especially since she lacks the coverage to immediately get rid of them. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out should she lack a Substitute.</p>

    <p>Certain issues against Kyogre remain despite the increased level of her bulk. Although she is still capable of defeating Calm Mind Kyogre one-on-one, it's nowhere even close to the ease offensive pivot experiences. Should she lack Roar, significantly more time will be required, increasing her chance of losing to an unfortunate critical hit or detrimental status; this problem is similarly seen against other opposing Calm Mind users. Likewise, Thunder Wave Kyogre proves a hassle should she lack Refresh. What's more, Latias still suffers from the Choice Specs Kyogre mindgame, as though Water Spout is now manageable, Ice Beam is still far too powerful for Latias to handle without Reflect Type.</p>

    <p>Latias shines when she is used strategically for long-term benefit. She fits best on teams that take their time, such as stall, sSpikes-stacking, and balanced. It is unwise to place her on teams that demand extreme offensive bias like hyper offense, as her initial offensive pressure is unable to keep up with their pace.</p>

    <p>Only entry hazard support is mandatory when using defensive Calm Mind. Entry hazards are crucial for capitalizing on her ability to force switches as well as wearing down the opponent's team. Otherwise, Latias doesn't require any other specific team support, instead acting as a fantastic glue Pokemon by providing both a win condition as well as considerable threat checking utility. However, asince Latias is dependent on entry hazards, spinblockers such as Ghost Arceus, Giratina, and Giratina-O can prove great teammates despite common weaknesses, especially since they provide a convenient resistance to Bug-type attacks. In the early-game, Latias still dislikes switch-ins that safelywho manage to switch in with super effective attacks, like Genesect, so Pokemon thatwho resist her weaknesses happen to bare great teammates. Good choices can range from Jirachi to Heatran and Ferrothorn to Forretress, many of whichwhom happen to provide valuable entry hazard support. Carrying a physical wall such as Wallceus or Skarmory is also wise for taking on physical threats like Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Finally, sincebecause she lacks offensive coverage, make sure to have a game plan against her checks in the short-term. For instance, should Ferrothorn safely switch in on a Latias lacking Substitute, Xatu and Forretress can help mitigatnimize its impact while providing Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Looking for the best Kyogre counter in the game? Cease your search, for in her most defensive role yet, Latias's special bulk is simply titanic&mdash;even specially defensive Giratina is outmatched. No other Latias set compares with her amount of utility, for she not only checks and counters the very same threats that they are capable of, but can accomplish feats that other Pokemon can only dream of.</p>

    <p>Following the use of Light Screen, Latias and her team becomes nigh impenetrable on the special side. No longer will she have to fear Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam; any Kyogre is reduced to mere impotency. For as long as Light Screen remains active and she be at reasonable health, no special attacker in the game has the strength to overcome her. Not even Mewtwo's Psystrike, renowned for being the bane of special walls like Chansey, is capable of getting past Light Screen. In fact, Mewtwo will find itself checked by Latias, who can switch in with ease, possibly Light Screen, and then proceed to Roost up or Roar. It's not just Mewtwo either: any Calm Mind Arceus, Deoxys-A, Dialga, other Latias, Manaphy, Omastar, Palkia, Reshiram, Shaymin-S&mdash;even Choice Specs Kyurem-W itself&mdash;will find themselves surprised by her sheer tenacity. Even wearing Latias down will prove difficult, for Roost provides reliable recovery and allows her to maintain long-term presence. Roar phazes any threat thatwho tries to set up, weakening most switch-ins providing there is sufficient entry hazard support.</p>

    <p>Despite her lack of investment, Latias is no weakling; her last slot provides a potent STAB attack. Dragon Pulse is the preferred option for its high reliability. For those who desire more power, Draco Meteor is a better option. Its great power initially exceeds that of any Calm Mind Latias set, devastating opposing Dragon-type Pokemon. However, its Special Attack drop makes it inconsistent; Light Screen and Roar help minimize any serious repercussions.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, the sheer number and power of its special attackers necessitate heavy investment in special bulk. But unlike other special walls, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on Speed while still maintaining titanic special bulk. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum special bulk possible while still allowing her to outspeed opposing neutral base 95 Speed Pokemon like Kyurem-W and Rayquaza. The invested bulk also ensures that Mewtwo's unboosted Life Orb Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Latias can easily be tweaked depending on your personal preference to more effectively take on certain special attackers. Feel free to take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk instead. 252 HP / 12 Def / 148 SpD / 96 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding neutral base 90 Speed Pokemon like Kyogre and Reshiram; this allows her to better deal with threats such as Deoxys-A and Mewtwo. You're welcome to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that lesser Speed makes it significantly more difficult for her to Light Screen or Roost before a relatively slow hit, or out-phaze with Roar.</p>

    <p>Conversely, you can easily take some EVs away from Special Defense and invest it in her Speed. 252 HP / 52 SpD / 204 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're willing to sacrifice significant special bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed positive base 90 Speed Pokemon. However, any further Speed investment is counterproductive due to compromising her ability to safely switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock; this is a significant incentive for her usage.</p>

    <p>Light Screen, Roost, and Roar are crucial to Latias's purpose; they are irreplaceable. However, if you are willing to forgo a STAB Dragon-type attack, Refresh can be run to alleviate detrimental status. Toxic allows Latias to more effectively take down opposing Pokemon thatwho can no longer be forced out, such as endgamelast-Pokemon Calm Mind Arceus. It also deals significant damage to very bulky opponents like Lugia. However, both options leave her particularly vulnerable to Taunt users and fail to take advantage of Soul Dew's Special Attack boost; this hurts their viability.</p>

    <p>SincBecause Latias places so much emphasis into her bulk, it is understandable that her offense suffers. Although she is no offensive deadweight thanks to Soul Dew and her STAB Dragon-type attacks, she still isn't very strong; she has the weakest overall offensive pressure out of all Latias sets. She not only forgoes any Special Attack investment whatsoever, but lacks Calm Mind; the opposing team will have to be significantly weakened if she is ever going to sweep offensively. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although any special checks are now ineffective, her physical checks remain as problematic as ever should they be unweakened and safely switched in, especially since she lacks the coverage to immediately get rid of themtroublesome. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out.</p>

    <p>Her issue in offense has little effect on her performance against Kyogre. Latias's increased special bulk, Light Screen, and Roar gives her far more luxury; no longer will she have to play on Kyogre's terms&mdash;she comes in whenever she wants to. For instance, a Latias at full health is capable of safely switching into a full power, critical hit Choice Specs Water Spout. In every single relevant scenario, she will reliably and consistently counter Kyogre regardless of set. Her only possible issue, endgamelast-Pokemon Calm Mind Kyogre, is averted by getting in first beforehand and utilizing Roar to rack up entry hazard damage. Light Screen allows other teammates to deal with Kyogre more effectively, while she still has the ability to take it on in a pinch; she can successfully outstall the attacking moves of a +6 mono-attacker Kyogre despite the possible burn.</p>

    <p>If youLatias is great for teams that needs extra reassurance against special threats, Latias's performance will not disappoint. Despite her lean towards defense, she fits on all by the most offensive teams. As such, avoid placing her on teams that demand extreme offensive bias like hyper offense, or her lack of strong offense will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>The closest thing to a glue Pokemon out of all Latias sets is specially defensive. She isn't really used with specific teammates; she holds a team together by answering a wide range of threats. Latias is invaluable for providing specific team support in phazing, Light Screen, and more. However, physical attackers thatwho carry super effective attacks, like Genesect, are a huge hindrance, so physically bulky Pokemon thatwho resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates. In particular, physical walls such as Wallceus and Skarmory are for the most part fantastic partners, especially since they are better suited for taking on physical threats like Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. SinceBecause Latias in turn is particularly good at taking on special attackers, entry hazardsupport from users such asthe likes of Ferrothorn and Forretress can help make the most of her ability to force switches as well as compensating for her reduced offensive power. Latias also finds many last-Pokemon situations particularly bothersome, so Perish Song support from an Arceus forme is greatly appreciated. Cleric support from the likes of Blissey or Chansey is also wise for curing her of detrimental status like Toxic. Lastly, since Latias lacks offensive coverage, make sure to have a game plan againstto have some way of dealing with her non-special checks. For instance, should Ferrothorn manage to safely switch in, Xatu and Forretress are excellent solutions who can help minimize its impact while providinge Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Pivot
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Thunder / Psyshock
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 48 HP / 208 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Latias is traditionally defensive in nature, do not be deceived; Latias can act as an incredible offensive pivot in her own right. Excelling in the ability to switch into a multitude of threats, such as Kyogre and several Calm Mind Arceus, she immediately places offensive pressure in the form of either a possible Calm Mind or attack. Although she does not grab the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets, she has the potential to grab the most momentum due to Calm Mind.</p>

    <p>After a single Calm Mind, Latias is capable of dealing more damage to the opponent than any other set while also giving her the potential to sweep. Dragon Pulse is a reliable STAB attack, dealing considerable damage thanks to her heavy Special Attack investment. Roost grants Latias reliable recovery, essential for maintaining her health and for checking threats. For her last slot, both options are useful for their utility against Kyogre. Thunder is the preferred option thanks to its superior coverage against Steel-type Pokemon such as Genesect and Scizor. If you intend to take on Calm Mind users, her STAB Psyshock is a better option. By bypassing any Calm Mind boost through attacking their Pphysical Defense instead, Latias will almost always win the Calm Mind war. It also allows her to beat Chansey, Blissey, and Terrakion more effectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Being an offensive pivot, having as much Speed and Special Attack as possible is critical. The Speed is necessary for outspeeding the maximum number of threats, while the Special Attack is necessary for KOes and increasing overall offensive pressure. As such, Latias's EV spread de-emphasizes bulkoffense in favor of offensebulk, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia regardless of Stealth Rock as well as allowing her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. Even with her weakened focus on bulk, she still possesses excellent special bulk; her special bulk is greater than Ssupport Grass Arceus.</p>

    <p>Even in the constrained role of an offensive pivot, Latias remains flexible. You can easily take EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk instead depending on your personal preference. 60 HP / 208 SpA / 240 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding positive base 108 Speed Pokemon like Terrakion, while 100 HP / 216 SpA / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp. Feel free to take away even more EVs from her Speed, but do recall that Latias's Speed is one of her greatest advantages; taking too much Speed away is counterproductive for her purpose.</p>

    <p>Likewise, you can choose to take EVs away from Special Attack and invest it in her bulk. However, it too is counterproductive for her purpose; the heavy Special Attack investment is crucial for using her attacking moves to their highest potential. Lowering her Special Attack not only greatly weakens the power of her Dragon Pulse, but also her lone coverage move. For instance, Latias can only 2HKO Forretress after Stealth Rock using Thunder guaranteed if she is running at least 204 SpA EVs. If you lower her Special Attack significantly in exchange for bulk, defensive Calm Mind is probably the better option.</p>

    <p>Although Latias is offensively focused, her slots remain readily adaptable. If you are willing to forgo the utility of Calm Mind, Tailwind doubles the speed of your entire team. This allows her to possibly retain momentum even after she switches out. Hidden Power Fire loses utility against Kyogre, but incinerates opposing Steel-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Excadrill under sun. However, it's weather dependent, does negligible damage to Heatran and Ho-Oh, and comes at the cost of losing the Speed tie against other positive base 110 Speed Pokemons. Surf on the other hand maintains her ability to Speed tie with these Pokemon as well as having greater base power so that it still damages Steel-type Pokemon considerably. For example, Surf always 2HKOes specially defensive Scizor after Stealth Rock. However, it too is weather dependent as well as being ineffective against opposing Ferrothorn. For those seeking to maintain their utility against Kyogre, Grass Knot is a possible option while also being significantly more effective against Tyranitar and Groudon. However, its lesser coverage against Steel-type Pokemon in comparison with Thunder hurts its viability. Similarly, Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with the prevalence of rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>Latias has two main issues as offensive pivot: initial bulk and coverage. Due to her de-emphasis inlowered bulk, Choiced and Thunder Wave variants of Kyogre can prove problematic. Most notably, Choice Scarf Ice Beam is an almost guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock; this is a serious problem given that any Latias caught on the switch will hamper momentum. Similarly, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as Latias is only able to attack or Roost; Calm Mind is not an option due to the high risk of being 2HKOed. Her lack of bulk also hurts her ability to safely take on Calm Mind sweepers such as Electric Arceus thatwho heavily invest in Speed and Special Attack.</p>

    <p>Latias suffers from a lack of coverage. Although she can get past many of her checks with the right coverage move, she only gets one. As such, Latias will always be left helpless against certain checks. Even then, U-turn users such as Genesect will always force her to switch out, seriously harming her ability to Calm Mind or sweep.</p>

    <p>To utilize Latias to her maximum potential, play to her strengths. Due to her offensive pivot nature, she fits best on teams with an offensive focus. Avoid placing her on teams with a more defensive focus or even balanced, as her lack of bulk against threats such as Choice Specs Kyogre will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>Providing she is placed on an offensive team, Latias does not need to be used with any specific Pokemon. She acts as an amazing glue Pokemon by filling crucial gaps in teams. For instance, most offensive teams find Kyogre problematic and cannot afford to run Pokemon such as Gastrodon or Grass Arceus due to their inferior offensive pressure. These teams greatly appreciate Latias's Speed, Special Attack, and her still excellent special bulk, especially asince she carries reliable recovery and Calm Mind unlike Palkia. However, Latias greatly dislikes switch-ins thatwho carry super effective attacks, like Genesect, so Pokemon thatwho resist her weaknesses happen to bmake great teammates. Depending on your team, good choices might include Steel-type Pokemon likes such as Steel Arceus and Forretress, or it might include Pokemon with more situational typing like Ho-Oh and Fighting Arceus. Speaking of switch-ins, many offensive Pokemon are capable of utilizing her forced switches to pose an immediate threat. Genesect, Kyogre, and Groudon are some of the many Pokemon thatwho happen to be particularly good at this role. Similarly, entry hazard support is great for taking full advantage of her ability to force switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOes. Finally, make sure her coverage problem is addressed in some form. For instance, if Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, have a method of dealing with Ferrothorn such as Xatu, whicho coincidentally also provides Magic Bounce support for the rest of your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As one of the most versatile Pokemon in the Uber tier, Latias will almost always have something that appeals to what you're trying to achieve. If you're looking for a good dual screens user, why not consider Latias? Combined with Light Clay, she can reliably dual screen and then sacrifice herself with Healing Wish to give one of your damaged sweepers another chance to sweep. Interested in a Kyogre-checking wish supporter? Why not use Latias, who boasts incredible longevity and Levitate? Or if you're a bit daring, why not maximize Latias's excellent base 110 Speed with a Choice Scarf and Trick? And with so many niche moves that she can use to reasonable success, you have plenty of options to choose from: Psycho Shift, Safeguard, Thunder Wave, Magic Coat, Reflect, Hidden Power Fighting, Double Team, Charm, Dragon Breath, Sucker Punch, Mist Ball, Icy Wind, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Protect, and RestTalk, and Magic Room; invent your own Latias to find your perfect fit.</p>

    <p>However, by running an unorthodox set, the opportunity cost will be high; you forgo all the tried and true benefits that all-out attacker, defensive Calm Mind, specially defensive, and offensive pivotthe other sets bring to the table. Many other Pokemon can fulfill these roles, if not better: Deoxys-S, Latios, Cresselia, or even Deoxys for dual screens,; Chansey, Blissey, or Jirachi for wish support,; and almost every single notable Dragon-type used in Ubers for Choice Scarf. But don't let this opportunity cost get in your way; if there is a set that you personally find to be effective, then by all means feel free to use it as you see fit.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Latias is a very fun Pokemon to use; she isn't as fun to face. Her only true counter is Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, who boasts greater Speed, reliable recovery, and the ability to either OHKO with Shadow Force or at worst 2HKO with Shadow Claw. Any other checks are dependent on the selection of both her moves and set.</p>

    <p>When playing against Latias, be wary of mindlessly switching in. When combined with sufficient entry hazard support, Roar will quickly whittle the health of your checks down; she can potentially overpower these weakened checks later during the game. As such, checks thatwho have obscure weak points and either Pursuit or reliable recovery will generally perform the most consistently. Unless met with Grass Knot on the switch-in, Tyranitar can easily weather Latias's attacks, checkmating with Pursuit or Crunch. Swords Dance Bug Arceus with X-Scissor performs similarly to Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, but is severely damaged on the switch-in by sun boosted Hidden Power Fire. Multiscale Lugia, preferably specially defensive, can use Toxic and either phaze or stall her with impunity, but once damaged, even it will fall to consecutive rain Thunders on the switch-in.</p>

    <p>The remaining checks to Latias are less consistent than the aforementioned, asince they either have noticeable weak points, only work against certain sets, are easily worn down, or are predominately revenge killers. It's not a bad idea to carry more than one of these checks to fully address Latias; if one check goes down against a certain set, the others can still potentially defeat her. This also combats her ability to defeat checks through attrition. Speaking of attrition, you can attempt to use this against her; without Leftovers, Latias can eventually be worn down through residual damage. However, working against her Levitate makes this easier said than done, as she is almost fully immune to entry hazards.</p>

    <p>Steel-types are solid checks to Latias, only fearing attrition or her weather-reliant Hidden Power Fire, Thunder, or Surf in accordance to their secondary typing. Genesect and Scizor are the most notable, placing a halt to most sweeps with their STAB U-turn and possible Pursuit from Scizor. Both Jirachi and Heatran wall her when placed in favorable weather. Ferrothorn is a huge annoyance to Latias lacking Substitute or the aforementioned Hidden Power Fire, stacking hazards with almost complete impunity. Bulky Excadrill can easily tank her STAB attacks and retaliate with Earthquake. Although rare, Metagross can checkmate Substitute-lessacking Latias with Meteor Mash or Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Support Dark Arceus and utility counter Psychic Arceus with Payback easily defeat any Latias lacking Roar. Extreme Killer Arceus 2HKOes with ExtremeSpeed, but cannot safely switch into an all-out attacker Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Calm Mind Arceus formes such as Dark, Psychic, Steel, Ghost, Rock, Ice, and Bug Arceus generally check offensive pivot and all-out attacker quite well. Dark and Psychic Arceus are the most consistent; Steel Arceus outspeeds with Roar but is vulnerable to endgamelast-Pokemon Psyshock or sun boosted Hidden Power Fire; Ghost and Rock Arceus under sandstorm are unable to defeat Psyshock variants at all; Ice and Bug Arceus are similar but have vulnerabilities to both Stealth Rock and sun boosted Hidden Power Fire. However, all Calm Mind Arceus have issues against specially defensive. They also cannot defeat Roar defensive Calm Mind; Steel Arceus, the only exception, fights endgamelast-Pokemon Latias to a stalemate.</p>

    <p>Any faster Pokemon thatwho is capable of OHKOing Latias can act as a revenge killer. These consist of strong physical Choice Scarf users such as Zekrom, Kyurem-B, Outrage Palkia, and Heracross, and those with natural Speed advantage such as Swords Dance Dragon Arceus and Outrage Kingdra under rain. Strong priority users such as Giratina-O and Mamoswine can also pick off weakened Latias. Darkrai can Dark Void and attempt to set up, but if Sleep Clause is activated or she already has a Calm Mind or Light Screen up, then its chance of victory will be slim.</p>

    <p>Should Latias lack Psyshock or Refresh, Chansey and Blissey with their ridiculous special bulk can stop most sweeps. Wobbuffet can use her as setup bait, but has a vulnerability to entry hazards and cannot actually defeat Latias. Ho-Oh can possibly be a fantastic check with its terrific special bulk and Regenerator, but its vulnerability to Stealth Rock along with Surf, Thunder, and Psyshock limits its potential. Sucker Punch Bisharp forces Latias out, but its paltry special bulk ensures that it won't be able to do so consistently.</p>

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    <p>Although Latias has now unlocked her full potential, there is one Pokemon thatwho still hides in shadow&mdash;Chandelure. Thanks to Shadow Tag and its STAB Fire- and Ghost-type attacks, it makes an excellent teammate for its ability to trap and remove many of her checks and counters. What's more, Latias has little to fear from opposing Chandelure, as after the boost from Soul Dew, its attempts to damage Latias will simply be laughable. Only with Curse or Trick can it prove to be a bothersome threat.</p>

    Thanks for the GP check GatoDelFuego!

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    <p>Too long has Latias shied away from the embattled Uber tier, for with the aid of her precious Soul Dew, her time is at hand. From nothing into something, Latias makes her triumphant return; she is back and better than ever. To the horror of every Kyogre, Latias can now use her numerous resistances, fantastic ability, and excellent Speed to their maximum potential. She isn't just an offensive pivot; Latias can be a balanced all-out attacker, a potent sweeper, or an exceptional special wall. Although her brother Latios is far more offensively inclined, her bulk is more than enough to make up for her relative power. However, Soul Dew is not the perfect solution. Her weaknesses to Dragon-, Ice-, Bug-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks remain a hindrance, and her physical Defense is only average at best. But none of this is enough to put a damper on her bright spirit; Latias is the rising star of the Uber tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All-Out Attacker
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Grass Knot / Thunder
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Surf
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 164 HP / 148 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Not willing to be left behind by her brother Latios, Latias returns with great Speed, surprising power, and fantastic special bulk. Flying in and out of the battlefield as she pleases, Latias eases her teammates' sweep by blasting holes through the opposing team. She is not only capable of grabbing the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets thanks to great initial offensive pressure and coverage, but maintains special bulk exceeding that of tank Ho-Oh; this is her most balanced set yet.</p>

    <p>Casting aside the consistency of Dragon Pulse, Latias takes up her most powerful STAB option&mdash;Draco Meteor. By far her strongest immediate attack, it pulverizes any Pokemon lacking a resistance or great special bulk. No longer can bulky Dragon-types such as Giratina-O or Dragon Arceus possibly survive; they are now OHKOed with ease. Even after the Special Attack drop, Draco Meteor is still powerful enough to discourage Dragon-type Pokemon, most notably Rayquaza, from seeking a free switch-in. Roost provides reliable recovery, increasing her lifespan so that she can better fulfill her purpose.</p>

    <p>Latias's remaining slots are dedicated towards maximizing coverage. One slot provides utility against Kyogre; the other slot provides weather dependent coverage against Steel-type Pokemon. Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire is the preferred option attacking combination for most teams, in particular those utilizing sun, due to a lesser reliance on weather, its ability to deal with all auto-weather inducers such as Groudon and Tyranitar, and its specialization against Latias's key checks, in particular Ferrothorn and Jirachi. For those using rain, Thunder and Surf are better options. Although it is highly reliant on rain and incapable of defeating opposing Ferrothorn, this combination is capable of defeating Manaphy, Lugia, and Heatran. It is also better suited for blasting holes or even sweeping thanks to superior overall coverage and power.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>When maximizing damage output, both Speed and Special Attack are crucial. Yet, with the increased power of Draco Meteor along with its inherent hit-and-run nature, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on bulk while still maintaining great offensive pressure. As such, her EV spread guarantees the 2HKO on specially defensive Giratina regardless of Stealth Rock, ensures that Timid Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, and allows her to outspeed opposing positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp. If Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, simply transfer 4 Speed EVs into Special Attack as the Speed compensation is unneeded.</p>

    <p>Although bulk is one of Latias's greatest strengths, it is advised to refrain from any further bulk investment. Lowering her Special Attack greatly weakens her damage output, while lowering her Speed hinders her ability to offensively force switches by outspeeding threats. This is unacceptable for a set geared towards strong initial offensive pressure.</p>

    <p>It is much more practical depending on your personal preference to take EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack or Speed instead. For those running Hidden Power Fire, 148 HP / 164 SpA / 196 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Groudon after a layer of Spikes. 100 HP / 164 SpA / 244 Spe with a Timid Nature can be run if you're willing to approach bare minimum bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed opposing Terrakion and still ensure that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Water Spout is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock. If even greater Speed is desired, Hidden Power Fire must be forgone because of its inherent Speed drop. 88 HP / 168 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid Nature allows her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110s. If at this point you still wish for more Special Attack, consider using Latios instead.</p>

    <p>Despite her focus on strong coverage, her coverage slots can be configured to provide any desired utility. STAB Dragon Pulse inflicts consistent damage, bluffs, and allows her to more effectively sweep late-game should the opportunity arise. However, the loss of either utility against Kyogre or Steel-type Pokemon hurts its viability. Similarly, STAB Psyshock deals with Fighting Arceus and possibly even Chansey or Blissey after some prior damage. If you seek the utility for taking on Calm Mind users, Psych Up allows Latias to copy her opponent's current boosts. This recharges Draco Meteor for reuse and allows her to defeat any Calm Mind Kyogre. When paired with Psyshock, Latias becomes capable of taking on many Calm Mind Arceus formes. However, Psych Up is highly situational and cuts into coverage; it should only be considered if there is no other alternative for taking on Calm Mind users on your team. Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with her intended usage under rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>The bane of all-out attacker this set is its vulnerability to setup sweepers. Although Pokemon such as Dragon Dance Rayquaza are still unable to set up after a Draco Meteor, dangerous sweepers such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Mewtwo, and Latios are capable. Left unchecked, these threats will prove particularly problematic; this issue is further exasperated by her inability to reliably boost.</p>

    <p>Latias is unable to check Calm Mind Kyogre without Psych Up; this problem is similarly seen against Calm Mind Arceus. Thunder Wave variants will also prove problematic, albeit to a lesser extent due to reduced Speed investment. Likewise, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as she is forced to either attack or Roost. However, unlike offensive pivot, she at least has better options in increased coverage and bulk.</p>

    <p>All-out attacker Playing with this set is quite straightforward: find an opportunity to switch in, decide whether to attack or Roost, and then switch out if the situation turns undesirable. As such, despite her lean towards offense, she fits on almost any team. However, unlike other Latias sets, all-out attacker requires some specific team support in order to function at full capacity. It is critical that she is paired up with teammates who can deal with dangerous setup sweepers. For example, Wallceus takes on physical setup sweepers like Swords Dance Arceus while Ferrothorn deals with special setup sweepers such as Kyogre, Latias, and Manaphy. Otherwise, Latias will prove to be a great glue Pokemon, providing excellent balance between both offensive and defensive utility. However, should Latias mispredict using her coverage, switch-ins like Genesect who carry super effective attacks will be most disliked. As such, Pokemon who resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates, in particular Steel-type Pokemon such as Steel Arceus, Heatran, and Jirachi. As Latias's great offensive pressure tends to force a lot of switches, partnering her with offensive Pokemon such as Groudon, Kyogre, and Genesect is advised. Similarly, Pokemon who can set up entry hazards such as Skarmory and Forretress are excellent for punishing switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOs. Finally, because Latias still has a few coverage deficiencies, make sure these shortcomings are patched up in some form. For instance, should she lack Thunder, a Toxic user or very potent attacker such as Kyogre or Zekrom can help deal with troublesome Lugia.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Roar / Refresh / Substitute
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, only clever, bold, and strategic play can maximize Latias's chance to sweep. Her slots for offensive coverage are limited; she will always be left helpless against certain checks. Thus, the only way for Latias to truly overcome her coverage deficiency is by backing away from offensive coverage and focusing on her non-attacking options instead.</p>

    <p>For the short-term, Latias focuses on disruption, handling threats, and warring through attrition. Do not attempt to sweep early-game; she has too many checks who can stop her at this stage. Instead, focus on using her fantastic special bulk to easily come into threats such as Kyogre and Calm Mind Arceus. From there, proceed to wear the opponent's team down. Dragon Pulse acts as her reliable STAB attack, doing respectable damage despite the lack of investment. Calm Mind acts as her utility against opposing Calm Mind users, while Roost increases her longevity. Her last slot is an extension of her overall purpose. Roar handles opposing setup sweepers along with weakening most switch-ins, providing there is sufficient entry hazard support. Refresh maintains vitality by curing her of detrimental status, granting utility against status users like Gliscor. Substitute eases prediction, providing an opportunity to scout, damage, or switch regardless of Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Only when the time is right, when the opponent's team is sufficiently weakened, does Latias come in to finally sweep. Calm Mind acts as her win condition, dramatically increasing her potential so that she becomes a force to be reckoned with. Roar phazes any opposing Calm Mind user who dares set up Calm Mind alongside her, allowing her to proceed unheeded. Refresh crushes any team that now only has status to defeat Latias. Substitute protects her from most non-damaging moves as well as allowing her to stall out low PP attacks, allowing her to defeat foes such as Ferrothorn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The longer Latias is able to last throughout the match, the better her chances of sweeping. As much bulk as possible is necessary for outlasting the opponent, setting up Calm Minds, and for using her non-attacking moves to their highest potential. Yet when Latias is finally able to sweep, she needs to be able to outspeed the maximum number of threats. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum amount of bulk possible while still maintaining the Speed necessary to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. The invested bulk also ensures that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>As all teams are different, it follows that Latias is the same. Depending on your personal preference, feel free to take some EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack. 216 HP / 40 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Palkia after Stealth Rock. However, taking too many EVs away from HP compromises her bulk, diminishing her ability to last throughout the match. Heavy investment in Special Attack will leave her with inadequate bulk, limited coverage, and a non-attacking move that is only situationally effective; a more offensive Latias set is the better option.</p>

    <p>Similarly, you can easily take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her Special Attack and bulk. 252 HP / 40 SpA / 24 SpD / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding Garchomp, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia after Stealth Rock along with some extra special bulk. Feel free to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that the lesser Speed makes it more difficult to sweep; this is counterproductive for her purpose. If you wish for a very bulky Latias, specially defensive is the superior option.</p>

    <p>Although Latias's other moves are mandatory for her sweeping purpose, her last slot can run a rather unique option&mdash;Reflect Type. By copying the opponent's typing, not only does it allow her to switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock, but also completely changes her checks. For example, Tyranitar is unable to Pursuit her effectively. A Genesect or Scizor switch-in will find their U-turn or Pursuit ineffective, instead granting momentum to Latias. Ferrothorn will now find its Leech Seed and other attacks useless, leaving it setup bait. However, Reflect Type is a situational move; more often than not will it be complete deadweight against teams that lack Pokemon who Latias can benefit from. Reflect Type can also backfire to disastrous results; once it has been revealed, it can be played around.</p>

    <p>Due to her emphasis in bulk, Latias has a deficiency in offense. This leaves her initial offensive pressure quite poor in comparison with her more offensive sets; she doesn't grab momentum nearly as easily. Do not expect any immediate results, for Latias needs to find the right time to set up Calm Minds for offensive impact. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although this issue is worked around when she finally sweeps, this does not mean it is resolved in the short-term. Her checks are still as annoying as ever should they not be weakened and safely switched in, especially since she lacks the coverage to immediately get rid of them. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out should she lack a Substitute.</p>

    <p>Certain issues against Kyogre remain despite the increased level of bulk. Although she is still capable of defeating Calm Mind Kyogre one-on-one, it's nowhere even close to the ease offensive pivot experiences. Should she lack Roar, significantly more time will be required, increasing her chance of losing to an unfortunate critical hit or detrimental status; this problem is similarly seen against other opposing Calm Mind users. Likewise, Thunder Wave Kyogre proves a hassle should she lack Refresh. What's more, Latias still suffers from the Choice Specs Kyogre mindgame, since though Water Spout is now manageable, Ice Beam is still far too powerful for Latias to handle without Reflect Type.</p>

    <p>Latias shines when she is used strategically for long-term benefit. She fits best on teams that take their time, such as stall, Spikes-stacking, and balanced. It is unwise to place her on teams that demand extreme offensive bias, as her initial offensive pressure is unable to keep up with their pace.</p>

    <p>Only entry hazard support is mandatory when using defensive Calm Mind this set as they. Entry hazards are crucial for capitalizing on her ability to force switches as well as wearing down the opponent's team. Otherwise, Latias doesn't require any other specific team support, instead acting as a fantastic glue Pokemon by providing both a win condition as well as considerable threat checking utility. However, as Latias is dependent on entry hazards, spinblockers such as Ghost Arceus, Giratina, and Giratina-O can prove great teammates despite common weaknesses, especially since they provide a convenient resistance to Bug-type attacks. In Early-game Latias still dislikes switch-ins who manage to switch in with super effective attacks, like Genesect, so Pokemon who resist her weaknesses are great teammates. Good choices can range from Jirachi to Heatran and Ferrothorn to Forretress, many of whom happen to provide valuable entry hazard support. Carrying a physical wall such as Wallceus or Skarmory is also wise for taking on physical threats like Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Finally, because she lacks offensive coverage, make sure to have a game plan against her checks in the short-term. For instance, should Ferrothorn safely switch in on a Latias lacking Substitute, Xatu and Forretress can help minimize its impact while providing Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Looking for the best Kyogre counter in the game? Cease your search, for in her most defensive role yet, Latias's special bulk is simply titanic&mdash;even specially defensive Giratina is outmatched. No other Latias set compares with her amount of utility, for she not only checks and counters the very same threats that they are capable of, but can accomplish feats that other Pokemon can only dream of.</p>

    <p>Following the use of Light Screen, Latias and her team becomes nigh impenetrable on the special side. No longer will she have to fear Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam; any Kyogre is reduced to mere impotency. For as long as Light Screen remains active and she be at reasonable health, no special attacker in the game has the strength to overcome her. Not even Mewtwo's Psystrike, renowned for being the bane of special walls like Chansey, is capable of getting past Light Screen. In fact, Mewtwo will find itself checked by Latias, who can switch in with ease, possibly Light Screen, and then proceed to heal up with Roost up or phaze with Roar. It's not just Mewtwo either: any Calm Mind Arceus, Deoxys-A, Dialga, other Latias, Manaphy, Omastar, Palkia, Reshiram, Shaymin-S&mdash;even Choice Specs Kyurem-W itself&mdash;will find themselves surprised by her sheer tenacity. Even wearing Latias down will prove difficult, for Roost provides reliable recovery and allows her to maintain long-term presence. Roar phazes any threat who tries to set up, weakening most switch-ins provided there is sufficient entry hazard support.</p>

    <p>Despite her lack of investment, Latias is no weakling; her last slot provides a potent STAB attack. Dragon Pulse is the preferred option for its high reliability. For those who desire more power, Draco Meteor is a better option. Its great power initially exceeds that of any Calm Mind Latias set, devastating opposing Dragon-type Pokemon. However, its Special Attack drop makes it inconsistent; Light Screen and Roar help minimize any serious repercussions.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, the sheer number and power of its special attackers necessitate heavy investment in special bulk. But unlike other special walls, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on Speed while still maintaining titanic special bulk. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum special bulk possible while still allowing her to outspeed opposing neutral base 95 Speed Pokemon like Kyurem-W and Rayquaza. The invested bulk also ensures that Mewtwo's unboosted Life Orb Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Latias's EVs can easily be tweaked depending on your personal preference to more effectively take on certain special attackers. Feel free to take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk instead. 252 HP / 12 Def / 148 SpD / 96 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding neutral base 90 Speed Pokemon like Kyogre and Reshiram; this allows her to better deal with threats such as Deoxys-A and Mewtwo. You're welcome to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that lesser Speed makes it significantly more difficult for her to use Light Screen or Roost before a relatively slow hit, or out-phaze with Roar.</p>

    <p>Conversely, you can easily take some EVs away from Special Defense and invest it in her Speed. 252 HP / 52 SpD / 204 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're willing to sacrifice significant special bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed positive base 90 Speed Pokemon. However, any further Speed investment is counterproductive due to compromising her ability to safely switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock; this is a significant incentive for her usage.</p>

    <p>Light Screen, Roost, and Roar are crucial to Latias's purpose; they are irreplaceable. However, if you are willing to forgo a STAB Dragon-type attack, Refresh can be run to alleviate detrimental status. Toxic allows Latias to more effectively take down opposing Pokemon who can no longer be forced out, such as last-Pokemon Calm Mind Arceus. It also deals significant damage to very bulky opponents like Lugia. However, both options leave her particularly vulnerable to Taunt users and fail to take advantage of Soul Dew's Special Attack boost; this hurts their viability.</p>

    <p>Because Latias places so much emphasis into her bulk, it is understandable that her offense suffers. Although she is no offensive deadweight thanks to Soul Dew and her STAB Dragon-type attacks, she still isn't very strong; she has the weakest overall offensive pressure out of all Latias sets. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although any special checks are now ineffective, her physical checks remain troublesome. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out.</p>

    <p>Her issue in offense has little effect on her performance against Kyogre. Latias's increased special bulk, Light Screen, and Roar gives her far more luxury; no longer will she have to play on Kyogre's terms&mdash;she comes in whenever she wants to. For instance, a Latias at full health is capable of switching into a full power, critical hit Choice Specs Water Spout. In every single relevant scenario, she will reliably and consistently counter Kyogre regardless of set. Her only possible issue, last-Pokemon Calm Mind Kyogre, is averted by getting in first beforehand and utilizing Roar to rack up entry hazard damage. Light Screen allows other teammates to deal with Kyogre more effectively, while she still has the ability to take it on in a pinch; she can successfully outstall the attacking moves of a +6 mono-attacker Kyogre despite the possible burn.</p>

    <p>Latias is great for teams that need extra reassurance against special threats. Despite her lean towards defense, she fits on all but the most offensive teams. As such, avoid placing her on teams like hyper offense, or her lack of strong offense will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>The closest thing to a glue Pokemon out of all Latias sets is specially defensive. She isn't really used with specific teammates; she holds a team together by providing an answer to a wide range of threats. Latias is invaluable for providing specific team support in phazing, Light Screen, and more. However, physical attackers who carry super effective attacks, like Genesect, are a huge hindrance, so physically bulky Pokemon who resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates. In particular, physical walls such as Wallceus and Skarmory are fantastic partners, especially since they are better suited for taking on physical threats like Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Because Latias in turn is particularly good at taking on special attackers, entry hazards from the likes of Ferrothorn and Forretress can help make the most of her ability to force switches as well as compensating for her reduced offensive power. Latias also finds many last-Pokemon situations particularly bothersome, so Perish Song support from an Arceus forme is greatly appreciated. Cleric support from Blissey or Chansey is also wise for curing her of detrimental status like Toxic. Lastly, make sure to have some way of dealing with her non-special checks. For instance, should Ferrothorn manage to safely switch in, Xatu and Forretress are excellent solutions who can provide Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Pivot
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Thunder / Psyshock
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 48 HP / 208 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Latias is traditionally defensive in nature, she can act as an incredible offensive pivot in her own right. Excelling in the ability to switch into a multitude of threats, such as Kyogre and several Calm Mind Arceus, she immediately places offensive pressure in the form of either a possible Calm Mind or attack. Although she does not grab the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets, she has the potential to grab the most momentum due to Calm Mind.</p>

    <p>After a single Calm Mind, Latias is capable of dealing more damage to the opponent than any other set while also giving her the potential to sweep. Dragon Pulse is a reliable STAB attack, dealing considerable damage thanks to her heavy Special Attack investment. Roost grants Latias reliable recovery, essential for maintaining her health and for checking threats. For her last slot, both options are useful for their utility against Kyogre. Thunder is the preferred option thanks to its superior coverage against Steel-type Pokemon such as Genesect and Scizor. If you intend to take on Calm Mind users, her STAB Psyshock is a better option. By bypassing any Calm Mind boost through attacking their physical Defense instead, Latias will almost always win the Calm Mind war. It also allows her to beat Chansey, Blissey, and Terrakion more effectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Being an offensive pivot, having as much Speed and Special Attack as possible is critical. The Speed is necessary for outspeeding the maximum number of threats, while the Special Attack is necessary for KOs and increasing overall offensive pressure. As such, Latias's EV spread emphasizes offense in favor of bulk, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia regardless of Stealth Rock as well as allowing her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. Even with her weakened focus on bulk, she still possesses excellent special bulk; her special bulk is greater than support Grass Arceus.</p>

    <p>Even in the constrained role of an offensive pivot, Latias remains flexible. You can easily take EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk depending on your personal preference. 60 HP / 208 SpA / 240 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding Terrakion, while 100 HP / 216 SpA / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding Garchomp. Feel free to take away even more EVs from her Speed, but do recall that taking too much Speed away is counterproductive for to her purpose.</p>

    <p>Likewise, you can choose to take EVs away from Special Attack and invest it in her bulk. However, it too is counterproductive for her purpose; the heavy Special Attack investment is crucial for using her attacking moves to their highest potential. Lowering her Special Attack not only greatly weakens the power of her Dragon Pulse, but also her lone coverage move. For instance, Latias can only 2HKO Forretress after Stealth Rock using Thunder guaranteed if she is running at least 204 SpA EVs. If you lower her Special Attack significantly in exchange for bulk, the defensive Calm Mind set is probably the better option for you.</p>

    <p>Although Latias is offensively focused, her slots remain readily adaptable. If you are willing to forgo the utility of Calm Mind, Tailwind doubles the speed of your entire team. This allows her to possibly retain momentum even after she switches out. Hidden Power Fire loses utility against Kyogre, but incinerates opposing Steel-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Excadrill under sun. However, it's weather dependent, does negligible damage to Heatran and Ho-Oh, and comes at the cost of losing the Speed tie against other positive base 110s. Surf on the other hand maintains her ability to Speed tie with these Pokemon as well as having greater Base Power so that it still damages Steel-type Pokemon considerably. For example, Surf always 2HKOes specially defensive Scizor after Stealth Rock. However, it too is weather dependent as well as being ineffective against opposing Ferrothorn. For those seeking to maintain their utility against Kyogre, Grass Knot is a possible option while also being significantly more effective against Tyranitar and Groudon. However, its lesser coverage against Steel-type Pokemon in comparison with Thunder hurts its viability. Similarly, Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with the prevalence of rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>Latias has two main issues as offensive pivot: low initial bulk and restraint on coverage. Due to her lowered bulk, Choice and Thunder Wave variants of Kyogre can prove problematic. Most notably, Choice Scarf Ice Beam is an almost guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock; this is a serious problem given that any Latias caught on the switch will hamper momentum. Similarly, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as Latias is only able to attack or Roost; Calm Mind is not an option due to the high risk of being 2HKOed. Her lack of bulk also hurts her ability to safely take on Calm Mind sweepers such as Electric Arceus who heavily invest in Speed and Special Attack.</p>

    <p>Latias suffers from a lack of coverage. Although she can get past many of her checks with the right coverage move, she only gets one. As such, Latias will always be left helpless against certain checks. Even then, U-turn users such as Genesect will always force her to switch out, seriously harming her ability to sweep.</p>

    <p>To utilize Latias to her maximum potential, play to her strengths. Due to her offensive pivot nature, she fits best on teams with an offensive focus. Avoid placing her on teams with a more defensive focus or even balanced, as her lack of bulk against threats such as Choice Specs Kyogre will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>Provided she is placed on an offensive team, Latias does not need to be used with any specific Pokemon. She acts as an amazing glue Pokemon by filling crucial gaps in teams. For instance, most offensive teams find Kyogre problematic and cannot afford to run Pokemon such as Gastrodon or Grass Arceus due to their inferior offensive pressure. These teams greatly appreciate Latias's Speed, Special Attack, and still excellent special bulk, especially as she carries reliable recovery and Calm Mind unlike Palkia. However, Latias greatly dislikes switch-ins who carry super effective attacks, like Genesect, so Pokemon who resist her weaknesses make great teammates. Depending on your team, good choices might include Steel-types such as Steel Arceus and Forretress, or it might include Pokemon with more situational typing like Ho-Oh and Fighting Arceus. Speaking of switch-ins, many offensive Pokemon are capable of utilizing her forced switches to pose an immediate threat. Genesect, Kyogre, and Groudon are some of the many Pokemon who happen to be particularly good at this role. Similarly, entry hazard support is great for taking full advantage of her ability to force switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOs. Finally, make sure her coverage problem is addressed in some form. For instance, if Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, have a method of dealing with Ferrothorn such as Xatu, who coincidentally also provides Magic Bounce support for the rest of your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As one of the most versatile Pokemon in the Uber tier, Latias will almost always have something that appeals to what you're trying to achieve. If you're looking for a good dual screens user, why not consider Latias? Combined with Light Clay, she can reliably set up the dual screens and then sacrifice herself with Healing Wish to give one of your damaged sweepers another chance to sweep. Interested in a Kyogre-checking Wish supporter? Why not use Latias, who boasts incredible longevity and Levitate? Or if you're a bit daring, why not maximize Latias's excellent base 110 Speed with a Choice Scarf and Trick? And with so many niche moves that she can use to reasonable success, you have plenty of options to choose from: Psycho Shift, Safeguard, Thunder Wave, Magic Coat, Reflect, Hidden Power Fighting, Double Team, Charm, DragonBreath, Sucker Punch, Mist Ball, Icy Wind, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Protect, and RestTalk; invent your own Latias to find your perfect fit.</p>

    <p>However, by running an unorthodox set, the opportunity cost will be high; you forgo all the tried and true benefits that the other sets bring to the table. Many other Pokemon can fulfill these roles, if not better: Deoxys-S, Latios, Cresselia, or even Deoxys for dual screens; Chansey, Blissey, or Jirachi for Wish support; and almost every single notable Dragon-type used in Ubers for Choice Scarf. But don't let this opportunity cost get in your way; if there is a set that you personally find to be effective, then feel free to use it as you see fit.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Latias is a very fun Pokemon to use; she isn't as fun to face. Her only true counter is Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, who boasts greater Speed, reliable recovery, and the ability to either OHKO with Shadow Force or at worst 2HKO with Shadow Claw. Any other checks are dependent on the selection of both her moves and set.</p>

    <p>When playing against Latias, be wary of mindlessly switching in. When combined with sufficient entry hazard support, Roar will quickly whittle the health of your checks down; she can potentially overpower these weakened checks later during the game. As such, checks who have obscure weak points and either Pursuit or reliable recovery will generally perform the most consistently. Unless met with Grass Knot on the switch-in, Tyranitar can easily weather Latias's attacks, checkmating with Pursuit or Crunch. Swords Dance Bug Arceus with X-Scissor performs similarly to Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, but is severely damaged on the switch-in by sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. Multiscale Lugia, preferably specially defensive, can use Toxic and either phaze or stall her with impunity, but once damaged, even it will fall to consecutive rain Thunders on the switch.</p>

    <p>The remaining checks to Latias are less consistent, as they either have noticeable weak points, only work against certain sets, are easily worn down, or are predominately revenge killers. It's not a bad idea to carry more than one of these checks to fully address Latias; if one check goes down against a certain set, the others can still potentially defeat her. This also combats her ability to defeat checks through attrition. Speaking of attrition, you can attempt to use this against her; without Leftovers, Latias can eventually be worn down through residual damage. However, working against her Levitate makes this easier said than done, as she is almost fully immune to entry hazards.</p>

    <p>Steel-types are solid checks to Latias, only fearing attrition or her weather-reliant Hidden Power Fire, Thunder, or Surf in accordance to their secondary typing. Genesect and Scizor are the most notable, placing a halt to most sweeps with their STAB U-turn and possible Pursuit. Both Jirachi and Heatran wall her when placed in favorable weather. Ferrothorn is a huge annoyance to Latias lacking Substitute or the aforementioned Hidden Power Fire, stacking hazards with almost complete impunity. Bulky Excadrill can easily tank her STAB attacks and retaliate with Earthquake. Although rare, Metagross can checkmate Substitute-lacking Latias with Meteor Mash or Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Support Dark Arceus and utility counter Psychic Arceus with Payback easily defeat any Latias lacking Roar. Extreme Killer Arceus 2HKOes with ExtremeSpeed, but cannot safely switch into an all-out attacker Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Calm Mind Arceus formes such as Dark, Psychic, Steel, Ghost, Rock, Ice, and Bug generally check offensive pivot and all-out attacker quite well. Dark and Psychic Arceus are the most consistent; Steel Arceus outspeeds with Roar but is vulnerable to last-Pokemon Psyshock or sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire; Ghost and Rock Arceus under sandstorm are unable to defeat Psyshock variants at all; Ice and Bug Arceus are similar but have vulnerabilities to both Stealth Rock and sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. However, all Calm Mind Arceus have issues against the specially defensive set. They also cannot defeat Roar defensive Calm Mind; Steel Arceus, the only exception, fights last-Pokemon Latias to a stalemate.</p>

    <p>Any faster Pokemon who is capable of OHKOing Latias can act as a revenge killer. These consist of strong physical Choice Scarf users such as Zekrom, Kyurem-B, Outrage Palkia, and Heracross, and those with natural Speed advantage such as Swords Dance Dragon Arceus and Outrage Kingdra under rain. Strong priority users such as Giratina-O and Mamoswine can also pick off weakened Latias. Darkrai can Dark Void and attempt to set up, but if Sleep Clause is activated or she already has a Calm Mind or Light Screen up, then its chance of victory will be slim.</p>

    <p>Should Latias lack Psyshock or Refresh, Chansey and Blissey with their ridiculous special bulk can stop most sweeps. Wobbuffet can use her as setup bait, but has a vulnerability to entry hazards and cannot actually defeat Latias. Ho-Oh can possibly be a fantastic check with its terrific special bulk and Regenerator, but its vulnerability to Stealth Rock along with Surf, Thunder, and Psyshock limits its potential. Sucker Punch Bisharp forces Latias out, but its paltry special bulk ensures that it won't be able to do so consistently.</p>

    [Unreleased]

    <p>Although Latias has now unlocked her full potential, there is one Pokemon who still hides in shadow&mdash;Chandelure. Thanks to Shadow Tag and its STAB Fire- and Ghost-type attacks, it makes an excellent teammate for its ability to trap and remove many of her checks and counters. What's more, Latias has little to fear from opposing Chandelure, as after the boost from Soul Dew, its attempts to damage Latias will simply be laughable. Only with Curse or Trick can it prove to be a bothersome threat.</p>


    The unreleased section should really only concern what hasn't been released regarding that Pokemon, not something like Chandelure.

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    Like GatoDelFuego said, there has been some precedent for an unreleased section about Chandelure. However, since you have expressed some interest for deleting these sections Oglemi, I have no problem with its removal from the Latias analysis.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Too long has Latias shied away from the embattled Uber tier, for with the aid of her precious Soul Dew, her time is at hand. From nothing into something, Latias makes her triumphant return; she is back and better than ever. To the horror of every Kyogre, Latias can now use her numerous resistances, fantastic ability, and excellent Speed to their maximum potential. She isn't just an offensive pivot; Latias can be a balanced all-out attacker, a potent sweeper, or an exceptional special wall. Although her brother Latios is far more offensively inclined, her bulk is more than enough to make up for her relative power. However, Soul Dew is not the perfect solution. Her weaknesses to Dragon-, Ice-, Bug-, Ghost-, and Dark-type attacks remain a hindrance, and her physical Defensebulk is only average at best. But none of this is enough to put a damper on her bright spirit; Latias is the rising star of the Uber tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: All-Out Attacker
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Grass Knot / Thunder
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Surf
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 164 HP / 148 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Not willing to be left behind by her brother Latios, Latias returns with great Speed, surprising power, and fantastic special bulk. Flying in and out of the battlefield as she pleases, Latias eases her teammates' sweep by blasting holes through the opposing team. She is not only capable of grabbing the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets thanks to great initial offensive pressure and coverage, but maintains special bulk exceeding that of tank Ho-Oh; this is her most balanced set yet.</p>

    <p>Casting aside the consistency of Dragon Pulse, Latias takes up her most powerful STAB option&mdash;Draco Meteor. By far her strongest immediate attack, it pulverizes any Pokemon lacking a resistance or great special bulk. No longer can bulky Dragon-types such as Giratina-O or Dragon Arceus possibly survive; they are now OHKOed with ease. Even after the Special Attack drop, Draco Meteor is still powerful enough to discourage Dragon-type Pokemon, most notably Rayquaza, from seeking a free switch-in. Roost provides reliable recovery, increasing her lifespan so that she can better fulfill her purpose.</p>

    <p>Latias's remaining slots are dedicated towards maximizing coverage. One slot provides utility against Kyogre; the other slot provides weather dependent coverage against Steel-type Pokemon. Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire is the preferred optionattacking combination for most teams, in particular those utilizing sun, due to a lesser reliance on weather, its ability to deal with all auto-weather inducers such as Groudon and Tyranitar, and its specialization against Latias's key checks, in particular Ferrothorn and Jirachi. For those using rain, Thunder and Surf are better options. Although it is highly reliant on rain and incapable of defeating opposing Ferrothorn, this combination is capable of defeating Manaphy, Lugia, and Heatran. It is also better suited for blasting holes or even sweeping thanks to superior overall coverage and power.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>When maximizing damage output, both Speed and Special Attack are crucial. Yet, with the increased power of Draco Meteor along with its inherent hit-and-run nature, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on bulk while still maintaining great offensive pressure. As such, her EV spread guarantees the 2HKO on specially defensive Giratina regardless of Stealth Rock, ensures that Timid Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, and allows her to outspeed opposing positive base 102 Speed Pokemon like Garchomp. If Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, simply transfer 4 Speed EVs into Special Attack as the Speed compensation is unneeded.</p>

    <p>Although bulk is one of Latias's greatest strengths, it is advised to refrain from any further bulk investment. Lowering her Special Attack greatly weakens her damage output, while lowering her Speed hinders her ability to offensively force switches by outspeeding threats. This is unacceptable for a set geared towards strong initial offensive pressure.</p>

    <p>It is much more practical depending on your personal preference to take EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack or Speed instead. For those running Hidden Power Fire, 148 HP / 164 SpA / 196 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Groudon after a layer of Spikes. 100 HP / 164 SpA / 244 Spe with a Timid Nature can be run if you're willing to approach bare minimum bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed opposing Terrakion, and still ensuringe that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Water Spout is unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock. If even greater Speed is desired, Hidden Power Fire must be forgone because of its inherent Speed drop. 88 HP / 168 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid Nature allows her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110s. If at this point you still wish for more Special Attack, consider using Latios instead.</p>

    <p>Despite her focus on strong coverage, her coverage slots can be configured to provide any desired utility. STAB Dragon Pulse inflicts consistent damage, bluffs, and allows her to more effectively sweep late-game should the opportunity arise. However, the loss of either utility against Kyogre or Steel-type Pokemon hurts its viability. Similarly, STAB Psyshock deals with Fighting Arceus and possibly even Chansey or Blissey after some prior damage. If you seek the utility for taking on Calm Mind users, Psych Up allows Latias to copy her opponent's current boosts. This recharges Draco Meteor for reuse and allows her to defeat any Calm Mind Kyogre. When paired with Psyshock, Latias becomes capable of taking on many Calm Mind Arceus formes. However, Psych Up is highly situational and cuts into coverage; it should only be considered if there is no other alternative for taking on Calm Mind users on your team. Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with her intended usage under rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>The bane of all-out attackerthis set is its vulnerability to setup sweepers. Although Pokemon such as Dragon Dance Rayquaza are still unable to set up after a Draco Meteor, dangerous sweepers such as Extreme Killer Arceus, Mewtwo, and Latios are capable. Left unchecked, these threats will prove particularly problematic; this issue is further exasperated by her inability to reliably boost.</p>

    <p>Latias is unable to check Calm Mind Kyogre without Psych Up; this problem is similarly seen against Calm Mind Arceus. Thunder Wave variants will also prove problematic, albeit to a lesser extent due to reduced Speed investment. Likewise, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as she is forced to either attack or Roost. However, unlike offensive pivot, she at least has better options in increased coverage and bulk.</p>

    <p>All-out attackerPlaying with this set is quite straightforward: find an opportunity to switch in, decide whether to attack or Roost, and then switch out if the situation turns undesirable. As such, despite her lean towards offense, she fits on almost any team. However, unlike other Latias sets, all-out attacker requires some specific team support in order to function at full capacity. It is critical that she is paired up with teammates who can deal with dangerous setup sweepers. For example, Wallceus takes on physical setup sweepers like Swords Dance Arceus while Ferrothorn deals with special setup sweepers such as Kyogre, Latias, and Manaphy. Otherwise, Latias will prove to be a great glue Pokemon, providing excellent balance between both offensive and defensive utility. However, should Latias mispredict using her coverage, switch-ins like Genesect who carry super effective attacks will be most disliked. As such, Pokemon who resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates, in particular Steel-type Pokemon such as Steel Arceus, Heatran, and Jirachi. As Latias's great offensive pressure tends to force a lot of switches, partnering her with offensive Pokemon such as Groudon, Kyogre, and Genesect is advised. Similarly, Pokemon who can set up entry hazards such as Skarmory and Forretress are excellent for punishing switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOs. Finally, because Latias still has a few coverage deficiencies, make sure these shortcomings are patched up in some form. For instance, should she lack Thunder, a Toxic user or very potent attacker such as Kyogre or Zekrom can help deal with troublesome Lugia.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Roar / Refresh / Substitute
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, only clever, bold, and strategic play can maximize Latias's chance to sweep. Her slots for offensive coverage are limited; she will always be left helpless against certain checks. Thus, the only way for Latias to truly overcome her coverage deficiency is by backing away from offensive coverage and focusing on her non-attacking options instead.</p>

    <p>For the short-term, Latias focuses on disruption, handling threats, and warring through attrition. Do not attempt to sweep early-game; she has too many checks who can stop her at this stage. Instead, focus on using her fantastic special bulk to easily come into threats such as Kyogre and Calm Mind Arceus. From there, proceed to wear the opponent's team down. Dragon Pulse acts as her reliable STAB attack, doing respectable damage despite the lack of investment. Calm Mind acts as her utility against opposing Calm Mind users, while Roost increases her longevity. Her last slot is an extension of her overall purpose. Roar handles opposing setup sweepers along with weakening most switch-ins, providing there is sufficient entry hazard support. Refresh maintains vitality by curing her of detrimental status, granting utility against status users like Gliscor. Substitute eases prediction, providing an opportunity to scout, damage, or switch regardless of Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Only when the time is right, when the opponent's team is sufficiently weakened, does Latias come in to finally sweep. Calm Mind acts as her win condition, dramatically increasing her potential so that she becomes a force to be reckoned with. Roar phazes any opposing Calm Mind user who dares set up Calm Mind alongside her, allowing her to proceed unheeded. Refresh crushes any team that now only has status to defeat Latias. Substitute protects her from most non-damaging moves as well as allowing her to stalling out low PP attacks, allowingwhich can enable her to defeat foes such as Ferrothorn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The longer Latias is able to last throughout the match, the better her chances of sweeping. As much bulk as possible is necessary for outlasting the opponent, setting up Calm Minds, and for using her non-attacking moves to their highest potential. Yet when Latias is finally able to sweep, she needs to be able to outspeed the maximum number of threats. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum amount of bulk possible while still maintaining the Speed necessary to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. The invested bulk also ensures that Kyogre's Choice Scarf Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>As all teams are different, it follows that Latias is the same. Depending on your personal preference, feel free to take some EVs away from HP and invest it in her Special Attack. 216 HP / 40 SpA / 252 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're willing to lose a little bulk in exchange for the ability to always OHKO Palkia after Stealth Rock. However, taking too many EVs away from HP compromises her bulk, diminishing her ability to last throughout the match. Heavy investment in Special Attack will leave her with inadequate bulk, limited coverage, and a non-attacking move that is only situationally effective; a more offensive Latias set is the better option.</p>

    <p>Similarly, you can easily take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her Special Attack and bulk. 252 HP / 40 SpA / 24 SpD / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding Garchomp, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia after Stealth Rock along with some extra special bulk. Feel free to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that the lesser Speed makes it more difficult to sweep; this is counterproductive for her purpose. If you wish for a very bulky Latias, specially defensive is the superior option.</p>

    <p>Although Latias's other moves are mandatory for her sweeping purpose, her last slot can run a rather unique option&mdash;Reflect Type. By copying the opponent's typing, not only does it allow her to switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock, but also completely changes her checks. For example, Tyranitar is unable to Pursuit her effectively. A Genesect or Scizor switch-in will find their U-turn or Pursuit ineffective, instead granting momentum to Latias. Ferrothorn will now find its Leech Seed and other attacks useless, leaving it setup bait. However, Reflect Type is a situational move; more often than not will it be complete deadweight against teams that lack Pokemon who Latias can benefit from. Reflect Type can also backfire to disastrous results; once it has been revealed, it can be played around.</p>

    <p>Due to her emphasis in bulk, Latias has a deficiency in offense. This leaves her initial offensive pressure quite poor in comparison with her more offensive sets; she doesn't grab momentum nearly as easily. Do not expect any immediate results, for Latias needs to find the right time to set up Calm Minds for offensive impact. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although this issue is worked around when she finally sweeps, this does not mean it is resolved in the short-term. Her checks are still as annoying as ever should they not be unweakened and safely switched in, especially since she lacks the coverage to immediately get rid of them. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out should she lack a Substitute.</p>

    <p>Certain issues against Kyogre remain despite the increased level of bulk. Although she is still capable of defeating Calm Mind Kyogre one-on-one, it's nowhere even close to the ease offensive pivot experiences. Should she lack Roar, significantly more time will be required, increasing her chance of losing to an unfortunate critical hit or detrimental status; this problem is similarly seen against other opposing Calm Mind users. Likewise, Thunder Wave Kyogre proves a hassle should she lack Refresh. What's more, Latias still suffers from the Choice Specs Kyogre mindgame, assince though Water Spout is now manageable, Ice Beam is still far too powerful for Latias to handle without Reflect Type.</p>

    <p>Latias shines when she is used strategically for long-term benefit. She fits best on teams that take their time, such as stall, Spikes-stacking, and balanced. It is unwise to place her on teams that demand extreme offensive bias, as her initial offensive pressure is unable to keep up with their pace.</p>

    <p>Only entry hazard support is mandatory when using defensive Calm Mind. Entry hazards this set as they are crucial for capitalizing on her ability to force switches as well as wearing down the opponent's team. Otherwise, Latias doesn't require any other specific team support, instead acting as a fantastic glue Pokemon by providing both a win condition as well as considerable threat checking utility. However, as Latias is dependent on entry hazards, spinblockers such as Ghost Arceus, Giratina, and Giratina-O can prove great teammates despite common weaknesses, especially since they provide a convenient resistance to Bug-type attacks. In eEarly-game, Latias still dislikes switch-ins who manage to switch in with super effective attacks, like Genesect, so Pokemon who resist her weaknesses are great teammates. Good choices can range from Jirachi to Heatran and Ferrothorn to Forretress, many of whom happen to provide valuable entry hazard support. Carrying a physical wall such as Wallceus or Skarmory is also wise for taking on physical threats like Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Finally, because she lacks offensive coverage, make sure to have a game plan against her checks in the short-term. For instance, should Ferrothorn safely switch in on a Latias lacking Substitute, Xatu and Forretress can help minimize its impact while providing Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 120 SpD / 136 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Looking for the best Kyogre counter in the game? Cease your search, for in her most defensive role yet, Latias's special bulk is simply titanic&mdash;even specially defensive Giratina is outmatched. No other Latias set compares with her amount of utility, for she not only checks and counters the very same threats that they are capable of, but can accomplish feats that other Pokemon can only dream of.</p>

    <p>Following the use of Light Screen, Latias and her team becomes nigh impenetrable on the special side. No longer will she have to fear Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam; any Kyogre is reduced to mere impotency. For as long as Light Screen remains active and she be at reasonable health, no special attacker in the game has the strength to overcome her. Not even Mewtwo's Psystrike, renowned for being the bane of special walls like Chansey, is capable of getting past Light Screen. In fact, Mewtwo will find itself checked by Latias, who can switch in with ease, possibly Light Screen, and then proceed to heal up with Roost up or phaze with Roar. It's not just Mewtwo either: any Calm Mind Arceus, Deoxys-A, Dialga, other Latias, Manaphy, Omastar, Palkia, Reshiram, Shaymin-S&mdash;even Choice Specs Kyurem-W itself&mdash;will find themselves surprised by her sheer tenacity. Even wearing Latias down will prove difficult, for Roost provides reliable recovery and allows her to maintain long-term presence. Roar phazes any threat who tries to set up, weakening most switch-ins providinged there is sufficient entry hazard support.</p>

    <p>Despite her lack of investment, Latias is no weakling; her last slot provides a potent STAB attack. Dragon Pulse is the preferred option for its high reliability. For those who desire more power, Draco Meteor is a better option. Its great power initially exceeds that of any Calm Mind Latias set, devastating opposing Dragon-type Pokemon. However, its Special Attack drop makes it inconsistent; Light Screen and Roar help minimize any serious repercussions.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In the Uber metagame, the sheer number and power of its special attackers necessitate heavy investment in special bulk. But unlike other special walls, Latias can afford to place more emphasis on Speed while still maintaining titanic special bulk. As such, her EV spread provides the maximum special bulk possible while still allowing her to outspeed opposing neutral base 95 Speed Pokemon like Kyurem-W and Rayquaza. The invested bulk also ensures that Mewtwo's unboosted Life Orb Ice Beam is virtually unable to 2HKO after Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Latias's EVs can easily be tweaked depending on your personal preference to more effectively take on certain special attackers. Feel free to take some EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk instead. 252 HP / 12 Def / 148 SpD / 96 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding neutral base 90 Speed Pokemon like Kyogre and Reshiram; this allows her to better deal with threats such as Deoxys-A and Mewtwo. You're welcome to take away even more Speed EVs, but note that lesser Speed makes it significantly more difficult for her to use Light Screen or Roost before a relatively slow hit, or out-phaze with Roar.</p>

    <p>Conversely, you can easily take some EVs away from Special Defense and invest it in her Speed. 252 HP / 52 SpD / 204 Spe with a Calm Nature can be run if you're willing to sacrifice significant special bulk in exchange for the ability to outspeed positive base 90 Speed Pokemon. However, any further Speed investment is counterproductive due to compromising her ability to safely switch into Kyogre's Choice Specs Ice Beam after Stealth Rock; this is a significant incentive for her usage.</p>

    <p>Light Screen, Roost, and Roar are crucial to Latias's purpose; they are irreplaceable. However, if you are willing to forgo a STAB Dragon-type attack, Refresh can be run to alleviate detrimental status. Toxic allows Latias to more effectively take down opposing Pokemon who can no longer be forced out, such as last-Pokemon Calm Mind Arceus. It also deals significant damage to very bulky opponents like Lugia. However, both options leave her particularly vulnerable to Taunt users and fail to take advantage of Soul Dew's Special Attack boost; this hurts their viability.</p>

    <p>Because Latias places so much emphasis into her bulk, it is understandable that her offense suffers. Although she is no offensive deadweight thanks to Soul Dew and her STAB Dragon-type attacks, she still isn't very strong; she has the weakest overall offensive pressure out of all Latias sets. This problem is further augmented by her lack of coverage. Although any special checks are now ineffective, her physical checks remain troublesome. For example, Genesect with its U-turn will always force Latias to switch out.</p>

    <p>Her issue in offense has little effect on her performance against Kyogre. Latias's increased special bulk, Light Screen, and Roar gives her far more luxury; no longer will she have to play on Kyogre's terms&mdash;she comes in whenever she wants to. For instance, a Latias at full health is capable of switching into a full power, critical hit Choice Specs Water Spout. In every single relevant scenario, she will reliably and consistently counter Kyogre regardless of set. Her only possible issue, last-Pokemon Calm Mind Kyogre, is averted by getting in first beforehand and utilizing Roar to rack up entry hazard damage. Light Screen allows other teammates to deal with Kyogre more effectively, while she still has the ability to take it on in a pinch; she can successfully outstall the attacking moves of a +6 mono-attacker Kyogre despite the possible burn.</p>

    <p>Latias is great for teams that need extra reassurance against special threats. Despite her lean towards defense, she fits on all byut the most offensive teams. As such, avoid placing her on teams like hyper offense, or her lack of strong offense will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>The closest thing to a glue Pokemon out of all Latias sets is specially defensive. She isn't really used with specific teammates; she holds a team together by providing an answering to a wide range of threats. Latias is invaluable for providingsupplying specific team support in phazing, Light Screen, and more. However, physical attackers who carry super effective attacks, like Genesect, are a huge hindrance, so physically bulky Pokemon who resist her weaknesses happen to be great teammates. In particular, physical walls such as Wallceus and Skarmory are fantastic partners, especially since they are better suited for taking on physical threats like Swords Dance Ghost Arceus. Because Latias in turn is particularly good at taking on special attackers, entry hazards from the likes of Ferrothorn and Forretress can help make the most of her ability to force switches as well as compensating for her reduced offensive power. Latias also finds many last-Pokemon situations particularly bothersome, so Perish Song support from an Arceus forme is greatly appreciated. Cleric support from Blissey or Chansey is also wise for curing her of detrimental status like Toxic. Lastly, make sure to have some way of dealing with her non-special checks. For instance, should Ferrothorn manage to safely switch in, Xatu and Forretress are excellent solutions who can provide Magic Bounce and Rapid Spin support respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Pivot
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Dragon Pulse
    move 4: Thunder / Psyshock
    item: Soul Dew
    nature: Timid
    evs: 48 HP / 208 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Latias is traditionally defensive in nature, Latiasdo not be deceived; she can act as an incredible offensive pivot in her own right. Excelling in the ability to switch into a multitude of threats, such as Kyogre and several Calm Mind Arceus, Latiasshe immediately places offensive pressure in the form of either a possible Calm Mind or attack. Although she does not grab the greatest initial momentum out of all Latias sets, she has the potential to grab the most momentum due to Calm Mind.</p>

    <p>After a single Calm Mind, Latias is capable of dealing more damage to the opponent than any other set while also giving her the potential to sweep. Dragon Pulse is a reliable STAB attack, dealing considerable damage thanks to her heavy Special Attack investment. Roost grants Latias reliable recovery, essential for maintaining her health and for checking threats. For her last slot, both options are useful for their utility against Kyogre. Thunder is the preferred option thanks to its superior coverage against Steel-type Pokemon such as Genesect and Scizor. If you intend to take on Calm Mind users, her STAB Psyshock is a better option. By bypassing any Calm Mind boost through attacking their physical Defense instead, Latias will almost always win the Calm Mind war. It also allows her to beat Chansey, Blissey, and Terrakion more effectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Being an offensive pivot, having as much Speed and Special Attack as possible is critical. The Speed is necessary for outspeeding the maximum number of threats, while the Special Attack is necessary for KOs and increasing overall offensive pressure. As such, Latias's EV spread emphasizes offense in favor of bulk, guaranteeing an OHKO on Palkia regardless of Stealth Rock as well as allowing her to Speed tie with opposing positive base 110 Speed Pokemon like Latios. Even with her weakened focus on bulk, she still possesses excellent special bulk; her special bulk is greater than support Grass Arceus.</p>

    <p>Even in the constrained role of an offensive pivot, Latias remains flexible. You can easily take EVs away from Speed and invest it in her bulk depending on your personal preference. 60 HP / 208 SpA / 240 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding Terrakion, while 100 HP / 216 SpA / 192 Spe with a Timid nature can be run if you're only concerned with outspeeding Garchomp. Feel free to take away even more EVs from her Speed, but do recall that taking too much Speed away is counterproductive forto her purpose.</p>

    <p>Likewise, you can choose to take EVs away from Special Attack and invest it in her bulk. However, it too is counterproductive for her purpose; the heavy Special Attack investment is crucial for using her attacking moves to their highest potential. Lowering her Special Attack not only greatly weakens the power of her Dragon Pulse, but also her lone coverage move. For instance, Latias can only 2HKO Forretress after Stealth Rock using Thunder guaranteed if she is running at least 204 SpA EVs. If you lower her Special Attack significantly in exchange for bulk, the defensive Calm Mind set is probably the better option for you.</p>

    <p>Although Latias is offensively focused, her slots remain readily adaptable. If you are willing to forgo the utility of Calm Mind, Tailwind doubles the speed of your entire team. This allows her to possibly retain momentum even after she switches out. Hidden Power Fire loses utility against Kyogre, but incinerates opposing Steel-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Excadrill under sun. However, it's weather dependent, does negligible damage to Heatran and Ho-Oh, and comes at the cost of losing the Speed tie against other positive base 110s. Surf on the other hand maintains her ability to Speed tie with these Pokemon as well as having greater bBase pPower so that it still damages Steel-type Pokemon considerably. For example, Surf always 2HKOes specially defensive Scizor after Stealth Rock. However, it too is weather dependent as well as being ineffective against opposing Ferrothorn. For those seeking to maintain their utility against Kyogre, Grass Knot is a possible option while also being significantly more effective against Tyranitar and Groudon. However, its lesser coverage against Steel-type Pokemon in comparison with Thunder hurts its viability. Similarly, Thunderbolt can be used over Thunder for its greater accuracy outside of rain, but its lesser power along with the prevalence of rain makes it a situational option at best.</p>

    <p>Latias has two main issues as offensive pivot: low initial bulk and restraint on coverage. Due to her lowered bulk, Choice and Thunder Wave variants of Kyogre can prove problematic. Most notably, Choice Scarf Ice Beam is an almost guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock; this is a serious problem given that any Latias caught on the switch will hamper momentum. Similarly, a full power Choice Specs Water Spout forces a mindgame as Latias is only able to attack or Roost; Calm Mind is not an option due to the high risk of being 2HKOed. Her lack of bulk also hurts her ability to safely take on Calm Mind sweepers such as Electric Arceus who heavily invest in Speed and Special Attack.</p>

    <p>Latias suffers from a lack of coverage. Although she can get past many of her checks with the right coverage move, she only gets one. As such, Latias will always be left helpless against certain checks. Even then, U-turn users such as Genesect will always force her to switch out, seriously harming her ability to sweep.</p>

    <p>To utilize Latias to her maximum potential, play to her strengths. Due to her offensive pivot nature, she fits best on teams with an offensive focus. Avoid placing her on teams with a more defensive focus or even balanced, as her lack of bulk against threats such as Choice Specs Kyogre will prove disappointing.</p>

    <p>Providinged she is placed on an offensive team, Latias does not need to be used with any specific Pokemon. She acts as an amazing glue Pokemon by filling crucial gaps in teams. For instance, most offensive teams find Kyogre problematic and cannot afford to run Pokemon such as Gastrodon or Grass Arceus due to their inferior offensive pressure. These teams greatly appreciate Latias's Speed, Special Attack, and still excellent special bulk, especially as she carries reliable recovery and Calm Mind unlike Palkia. However, Latias greatly dislikes switch-ins who carry super effective attacks, like Genesect, so Pokemon who resist her weaknesses make great teammates. Depending on your team, good choices might include Steel-types such as Steel Arceus and Forretress, or it might include Pokemon with more situational typing like Ho-Oh and Fighting Arceus. Speaking of switch-ins, many offensive Pokemon are capable of utilizing her forced switches to pose an immediate threat. Genesect, Kyogre, and Groudon are some of the many Pokemon who happen to be particularly good at this role. Similarly, entry hazard support is great for taking full advantage of her ability to force switches as well as increasing the chance of her KOs. Finally, make sure her coverage problem is addressed in some form. For instance, if Latias lacks Hidden Power Fire, have a method of dealing with Ferrothorn such as Xatu, who coincidentally also provides Magic Bounce support for the rest of your team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As one of the most versatile Pokemon in the Uber tier, Latias will almost always have something that appeals to what you're trying to achieve. If you're looking for a good dual screens user, why not consider Latias? Combined with Light Clay, she can reliably set up dual screens and then sacrifice herself with Healing Wish to give one of your damaged sweepers another chance to sweep. Interested in a Kyogre-checking wWish supporter? Why not use Latias, who boasts incredible longevity and Levitate? Or if you're a bit daring, why not maximize Latias's excellent base 110 Speed with a Choice Scarf and Trick? And with so many niche moves that she can use to reasonable success, you have plenty of options to choose from: Psycho Shift, Safeguard, Thunder Wave, Magic Coat, Reflect, Hidden Power Fighting, Double Team, Charm, DragonBreath, Sucker Punch, Mist Ball, Icy Wind, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, Protect, and RestTalk; invent your own Latias to find your perfect fit.</p>

    <p>However, by running an unorthodox set, the opportunity cost will be high; you forgo all the tried and true benefits that the other sets bring to the table. Many other Pokemon can fulfill these roles, if not better: Deoxys-S, Latios, Cresselia, or even Deoxys for dual screens; Chansey, Blissey, or Jirachi for wWish support; and almost every single notable Dragon-type used in Ubers for Choice Scarf. But don't let this opportunity cost get in your way; if there is a set that you personally find to be effective, then feel free to use it as you see fit.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Latias is a very fun Pokemon to use; she isn't as fun to face. Her only true counter is Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, who boasts greater Speed, reliable recovery, and the ability to either OHKO with Shadow Force or at worst 2HKO with Shadow Claw. Any other checks are dependent on the selection of both her moves and set.</p>

    <p>When playing against Latias, be wary of mindlessly switching in. When combined with sufficient entry hazard support, Roar will quickly whittle the health of your checks down; she can potentially overpower these weakened checks later during the game. As such, checks who have obscure weak points and either Pursuit or reliable recovery will generally perform the most consistently. Unless met with Grass Knot on the switch-in, Tyranitar can easily weather Latias's attacks, checkmating with Pursuit or Crunch. Swords Dance Bug Arceus with X-Scissor performs similarly to Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, but is severely damaged on the switch-in by sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. Multiscale Lugia, preferably specially defensive, can use Toxic and either phaze or stall her with impunity, but once damaged, even it will fall to consecutive rain Thunders on the switch.</p>

    <p>The remaining checks to Latias are less consistent, as they either have noticeable weak points, only work against certain sets, are easily worn down, or are predominately revenge killers. It's not a bad idea to carry more than one of these checks to fully address Latias; if one check goes down against a certain set, the others can still potentially defeat her. This also combats her ability to defeat checks through attrition. Speaking of attrition, you can attempt to use this against her; without Leftovers, Latias can eventually be worn down through residual damage. However, working against her Levitate makes this easier said than done, as she is almost fully immune to entry hazards.</p>

    <p>Steel-types are solid checks to Latias, only fearing attrition or her weather-reliant Hidden Power Fire, Thunder, or Surf in accordance to their secondary typing. Genesect and Scizor are the most notable, placing a halt to most sweeps with their STAB U-turn and possible Pursuit. Both Jirachi and Heatran wall her when placed in favorable weather. Ferrothorn is a huge annoyance to Latias lacking Substitute or the aforementioned Hidden Power Fire, stacking hazards with almost complete impunity. Bulky Excadrill can easily tank her STAB attacks and retaliate with Earthquake. Although rare, Metagross can checkmate Substitute-lacking Latias with Meteor Mash or Pursuit.</p>

    <p>Support Dark Arceus and utility counter Psychic Arceus with Payback easily defeat any Latias lacking Roar. Extreme Killer Arceus 2HKOes with ExtremeSpeed, but cannot safely switch into an all-out attacker Draco Meteor after Stealth Rock. Calm Mind Arceus formes such as Dark, Psychic, Steel, Ghost, Rock, Ice, and Bug generally check offensive pivot and all-out attacker quite well. Dark and Psychic Arceus are the most consistent; Steel Arceus outspeeds with Roar but is vulnerable to last-Pokemon Psyshock or sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire; Ghost and Rock Arceus under sandstorm are unable to defeat Psyshock variants at all; Ice and Bug Arceus are similar but have vulnerabilities to both Stealth Rock and sun-boosted Hidden Power Fire. However, all Calm Mind Arceus have issues against the specially defensive set. They also cannot defeat Roar defensive Calm Mind; Steel Arceus, the only exception, fights last-Pokemon Latias to a stalemate.</p>

    <p>Any faster Pokemon who is capable of OHKOing Latias can act as a revenge killer. These consist of strong physical Choice Scarf users such as Zekrom, Kyurem-B, Outrage Palkia, and Heracross, and those with natural Speed advantage such as Swords Dance Dragon Arceus and Outrage Kingdra under rain. Strong priority users such as Giratina-O and Mamoswine can also pick off weakened Latias. Darkrai can Dark Void and attempt to set up, but if Sleep Clause is activated or she already has a Calm Mind or Light Screen up, then its chance of victory will be slim.</p>

    <p>Should Latias lack Psyshock or Refresh, Chansey and Blissey with their ridiculous special bulk can stop most sweeps. Wobbuffet can use her as setup bait, but has a vulnerability to entry hazards and cannot actually defeat Latias. Ho-Oh can possibly be a fantastic check with its terrific special bulk and Regenerator, but its vulnerability to Stealth Rock along with Surf, Thunder, and Psyshock limits its potential. Sucker Punch Bisharp forces Latias out, but its paltry special bulk ensures that it won't be able to do so consistently.</p>

    [Unreleased]

    <p>Although Latias has now unlocked her full potential, there is one Pokemon who still hides in shadow&mdash;Chandelure. Thanks to Shadow Tag and its STAB Fire- and Ghost-type attacks, it makes an excellent teammate for its ability to trap and remove many of her checks and counters. What's more, Latias has little to fear from opposing Chandelure, as after the boost from Soul Dew, its attempts to damage Latias will simply be laughable. Only with Curse or Trick can it prove to be a bothersome threat.</p>


    Thanks for the GP check Oglemi!

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    After a long process consisting of a variety of opinions, set creation, and even IRV voting, this analysis has finally been completed. I hope this analysis delves into all of Latias’s viable aspects and provides true and thought-out information concerning her role in the Uber metagame.

    Outside of any outstanding concerns, I imagine it’s time to finally get this analysis on-site.
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