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Latios (BW2 Revamp)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by alexwolf, Feb 5, 2013.

  1. tehy

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    Nice overall, although in the LO section you start going with It instead of him, gotta watch out for that

    Add blue remove red comments below

    Edit: TBH i figured, but is that even really used in today's meta?

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    [Overview]

    <p>When thinking about offensive behemoths, Latios is one of the first Pokemon that comes to mind. Stellar Special Attack, great Speed, and good coverage are the most important traits of Latios that make him such a powerful force in OU. Latios can put these tools to use by destroying the opposition with powerful attacks, revenge killing dangerous threats, such as Keldeo and Terrakion, and acting as a good offensive pivot, thanks to his handy resistances and immunities, as well as underestimated special bulk. However, Latios's vulnerability to Pursuit and therefore to prominent Pokemon, namely Scizor and Tyranitar, is his biggest flaw and usually prevents him from freely using his powerful Dragon moves from the get go. Latios is also somewhat prone to faster physical attackers, as well as priority, which hit him ion his weaker physical side.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Surf
    move 3: Psyshock
    move 4: Trick / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set transforms Latios into a powerful nuke capable of destroying almost everything with just Draco Meteor. Every other move in the set is there to help Latios spam Draco Meteor easier. To give you an example of Draco Meteor's power, it cleanly 2HKOs 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Less specially bulky Steel-types such as Skarmory and Forretress don't even stand a chance of surviving Draco Meteor. Surf takes down any Steel-type in OU except for Ferrothorn and Jirachi, 2HKOes any Tyranitar bar the specially defensive variant, and gets pseudo-STAB in rain, making it a very safe move to use when Steel-types are healthy. Psyshock gets STAB and gives Latios a way to get past Blissey and Chansey, easily 2HKOing the first, while having a decent chance(30.47%) to 2HKO the latter after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage (30.47%). It also allows Latios to OHKO Keldeo after aregardless of how many Calm Minds it's accumulated. In the last slot, Trick cripples any defensive answer to Latios bar Tyranitar, and makes set-up sweepers such as Jirachi and Celebi much easier to handle. Trick is very useful against balanced and defensive teams, which have solid defensive cores that are difficult to break through, as by crippling one of their defensive Pokemon, you have basically weakened their whole defensive core. Hidden Power Fire is the only move that can break past Ferrothorn, and 2HKOs specially defensive Jirachi after Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes, but lowers Latios's Speed by one point, resulting to Latios getting outspeed by opposing Latios, Latias, and Gengar, all very popular Pokemon in OU.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>To get a taste of Latios's power, take a look at the damage calculations below:</p>
    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 248/0 Scizor 59.47 - 69.97%, guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 0/0 HP Heatran 50.15 - 59.44%</li>
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 180/0 HP Tyranitar in sand 59.32 - 69.94%, guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Surf vs. 252/252+ Tyranitar 40.84 - 48.26%, 10.94% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Surf vs. 248/252+ Heatran 55.58 - 65.97%, guaranteed 2HKO</li>
    <li>Psyshock vs. 4/252 Blissey 59.5 - 70.09%</li>
    <li>Psyshock vs. 252/252+ Chansey 37.07 - 43.6%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Fire vs. 252/0 Jirachi 56.93 - 67.32%, guaranteed 2HKO</li>
    </ul>

    <p>Dragon Pulse can be used in the third or fourth slot to allow Latios to clean through weakened teams and gives him a Dragon move that doesn't turn him into set-up bait. Latios enjoys rain support, as in rain Surf becomes a great move to use with little drawbacks, and Thunder becomes an option, which hits most Steel-types very hard and obliterates Water-types, becomes an option. Grass Knot can 2HKO every Tyranitar set after Stealth Rock, as well as 2HKO specially defensive Jellicent, which Draco Meteor fails to do without Stealth Rock on the field.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock helps Latios 2HKO many Pokemon with Draco Meteor alone, such as Scizor, Choice Band Tyranitar, and specially defensive Jellicent. Spikes are also very useful and make Latios practically unwallable in conjunction with Stealth Rock, as there isn't a single Pokemon in OU that can avoid the 2HKO from Latios if he uses the right move (outside of rain and sunthe weather permits). Any Steel-type pairs nicely with Latios, so Ferrothorn, Forretress, Jirachi, Skarmory, Heatran, and Bronzong are great teammates. Latios appreciates teammates that can deal with Steel-types, Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey, as even though Latios can get past most of them with his coverage moves, he prefers to flatten everything with Draco Meteor. Magnezone can eliminate Ferrothorn, Scizor, and U-turn-less support Jirachi, opening the way for Latios to use Draco Meteor. Magnezone also helps Latios with Scizor even if it doesn't trap it, as Scizor will be reluctant to trap Latios with Pursuit and, knowing that he will get trapped by Magnezone after. Terrakion, Lucario, Iron Head Jirachi, and Swords Dance Scizor can all deal with Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey, while setting up on Tyranitar locked into Pursuit (except for Jirachi). Latios has many uses and can take multiple roles during the game, namely wallbreaker, offensive pivot, and revenge killer for most unboosted Pokemon, and thus can fit in almost any type of team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Psyshock
    move 3: Surf
    move 4: Trick
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to his great Speed, power, and coverage, Latios becomes one of the premiere revenge killers in OU w. When holding a Choice Scarf., Latios outspeeds common Choice Scarf users, including Salamence, Jirachi, Keldeo, and Terrakion, and boosting sweepers, such as Salac Berry Terrakion, Modest Venusaur in sun, and Shell Smash Cloyster. Draco Meteor is Latios's main revenge killing tool, and OHKOes every offensive Pokemon that isn't a Steel-type and is frailer than Keldeo. The Special Attack drop is not a big deal, as after Latios KOs his target the opponent is going to bring a resistor in anyway. Psyshock takes care of Keldeo, Terrakion, and Venusaur, while Surf covers Heatran, Magnezone, and various other Steel-types, and becomes a great cleaning tool in rain. Finally, Trick cripples walls and setup sweepers, while also giving to Latios the ability to switch moves if the added Speed is not needed, for example against defensive teams.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Politoed powers up Surf and helps Latios get past Steel-type easier. The presence of rain also enables Latios to use Thunder, a great revenge killing tool against Gyarados, Starmie, and Water-types in general. Hidden Powe Fire can be used to catch Scizor and Ferrothorn on the switch, but doesn't help revenge kill any particular threat and makes Latios speed tie with +2 Speed Jolly Cloyster. Dragon Pulse is useful for picking apart weakened teams, as well as OHKOing weakened offensive Pokemon without becoming setup bait afterwards. A fast Memento can provide a crucial setup opportunites toy for one of your sweepers, as well as cripple troubling Pokemon that Latios cannot harm with his other moves.</p>

    <p>While Latios is a superb revenge killer, his Pursuit weakness is his most fatal flaw and holds him back from doing his job effectively when Tyranitar or Scizor are around. This means that either Pursuit users should be eliminated or weakened before Latios comes in, or that Latios should be partnered with a secondary check to the threats that he handles, so in case Latios faces a team with a Pursuit user he isn't rendered totally useless. Unlike most Choice Scarf users, Latios is unable to do anything meaningful to Volcarona, except for locking it into a move, which helps but is situational so make sure to pack a check for Volcarona. Gyarados, Terrakion, and Heatran all handle Volcarona pretty well and have great offensive and defensive synergy with Latios; Gyarados even walls the priority users that Latios fears, Scizor and Mamoswine. As this set is a revenge killer and lacks the power to break through specially defensive Pokemon and Steel-types, Pokemon to deal with them are appreciated. Heatran, Terrakion, and Infernape take care of most Steel-types and special walls, and the latter two enjoy outspeeding almost every Pokemon in the opposing team after Latios eliminates the Choice Scarf user or any other fast Pokemon. Magnezone traps and kills Scizor, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and U-turn-less Iron Head Jirachi, making it much easier for Latios to spam Draco Meteor and clean up late-game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Psyshock
    move 3: Surf / Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Roost
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is pretty similar to the Choice Specs set, but gives up the extra power in exchange tofor switching moves and having reliable recovery. Unlike the Choice Specs set, this one prefers to use coverage moves the first time ithe gets in, to weaken hits counters, and even if Latios predicts wrong it, he can throw out a Draco Meteor the next turn. Basically, this set is more self-sufficient than Choice Specs Latios, as ithe can take care of hits counters more easily, but needs better prediction. With Life Orb Latios also becomes a great cleaner, as ithe has great power, coverage, and Speed. Draco Meteor is a powerful move and does severe damage even to Pokemon which resist it. With Psyshock Latios outspeeds and OHKOes Keldeo, Terrakion in sand, and Tentacruel, all very common Pokemon and tricky to deal with, while Latios can take one hit from Keldeo and Tentacruel, making ithim even more adept at dealing with them. Surf gives coverage against Steel-types and Tyranitar; it 2HKOes Scizor and every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, bar the specially defensive set. Hidden Power Fire deals 87% minimum to standard Ferrothorn, 2HKOes 252 HP Jirachi after Stealth Rock and OHKOes Scizor, or 2HKOes after Draco Meteor, giving Latios more freedom when Scizor is around. However, Hidden Power Fire becomes ineffective in rain and lowers causes Latios to lose the Speed tie against opposing Latios, Latias, and Gengar. Roost rounds off the set, and helps Latios act as a better pivot, offsets passive damage from Life Orb, sand, and Stealth Rock, and makelets Latios stick around longer.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Expert Belt is a great alternative to Life Orb which allows Latios to bluff a Choice Scarf set, and possibly eliminate unsuspecting Steel-types. With Expert Belt, Latios can forgo Roost and enhance his coverage with a fourth attacking move. Thunder can replace Psyshock or Surf on rain teams to hit Water-types hard while still hitting Steel-types for neutral damage. Earthquake is an uncommon but effective move to deal with Latios's biggest obstacles, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and Heatran in sun. With 160 Atk EVs and a Naive nature, Earthquake 2HKOes 252 HP Tyranitar and 252 HP Jirachi after Stealth Rock, and OHKOes 248 HP Heatran. However, Latios's special attacks become noticeably weaker, leaving ithim open to other threats, so choose wisely. If using Latios on a sun team, Earthquake is strongly recommended to deal with Heatran and Tyranitar, two Pokemon that annoy every sun team in existence. Hidden Power Fighting is an option to 2HKO every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, while hitting Ferrothorn and Heatran for decent damage.</p>

    <p>This is probably the set that benefits from Drizzle support the most, as ithe frequently uses Surf to catch Steel-types on the switch, so Politoed is a good partner. Thunder is viable ion rain teams and can be used over either coverage move to deal with Water-types better while still hitting most Steel-types for neutral damage. Sun is another beneficial weather for Latios, as it powers up HP Fire and allows Latios to get past Steel-types not named Heatran much more easierly. Both weathers prevent sand damage which limits Latios's longevity along with Life Orb damage. The. Latios's usual Latios's teammates are always appreciated; Terrakion, Heatran, Ferrothorn, Gyarados, and Lucario cover most of Latios's problems. Terrakion, Scizor, Heatran, Gyarados, and Lucario can get past most Steel-types, Chansey, and Blissey, while Gyarados has the added benefit of shielding Latios from priority hits from the likes of Scizor and Mamoswine. Ferrothorn, Heatran, and Terrakion provide entry hazards which help Latios KO his opponents. Magnezone is a good partner, but is much less needed for this set, which is more self-reliant than Latios's other offensive sets. When using Expert Belt, it is beneficial to pack Pokemon that can take advantage of the Pokemon that Latios lures and eliminates. Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Heatran are all Pokemon that Latios can get out of the way, so Pokemon such as Terrakion, Gyarados, and Volcarona can sweep unhindered.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Dragon Pulse
    move 3: Surf
    move 4: Roost / Psyshock
    item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Instead of immediately powering through stuff, this set enables Latios to sweep through teams, under the right circumstances. Similarly to Latioas, this set finds a switch-in opportunity against a resisted attack and starts using Calm Mind, healing with Roost whenever necessary. However, unlike Latias, Latios can be very threatening after just one or two boosts, and this is where his strength lies. The opponent cannot any longer sacrifice hisa weakened Steel-typokemon and send in his faster special attacker to KO Latios. Dragon Pulse give your typical great neutral coverage and OHKOes practically every non steel-type offensive Pokemon after just a boost with Life Orb and Stealth Rock. Surf gives near-perfect neutral coverage and picks off any Steel-type neutral to it, and by the time Latios comes in, Steel-types should have already been put into Surf's KO range. Lastly, Roost pairs well with Leftovers, giving to Latios more switch-in and setup oportunities, as well as increased longevity, while Life Orb pairs nicely with Psyshock and allows Latios to OHKO Blissey after a boost, Stealth Rock, and a layer of Spikes; it also gives Latios an easier time against Tentacruel and Gastrodon, both of who can Toxic Latios and start stalling him with Protect and Recover respectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Latios can use an alternative spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe with Roost and Leftovers. He is basically a slightly more offensive Calm Mind Latias, but Latias usually does this job better usually, as the extra bulk is appreciated. Hidden Power Fire is an option if Latios is not used on a rain team, and gives crucial coverage against Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Jirachi. Draco Meteor is a great move for early-game wall breaking, and packs tremendous power after a boost, while the Special Attack drop doesn't trouble Latios so much, thanks to the intial Calm Mind boost. Any combination of STAB and coverage moves can be used, as Calm Mind Latios is pretty flexible and can tailor his moveset according to his team's needs. Lum Berry combined with HP Fire allows Latios to lure and 2HKO specially defensive Rotom-W with Thunder-Wave, Blissey (needs Psyshock), Toxic Heatran, and slightly weakened specially defensive variants of Jirachi and Celebi, while getting out of the confrontation unscathed.</p>

    <p>Politoed is a great teammate, powering up Surf's power and allowing Latios to OHKO Scizor after a Calm Mind and Stealth Rock. Magnezone helps the Steel-types that wall Latios depending on the coverage moves he uses, making it much easier for Latios to sweep late-game. Hazard setters are beneficial and help Latios get certain OHKOs and 2HKOs after a boost, such as the previously mentioned OHKOs at Scizor and Blissey. Custap Berry Forretress, Focus Sash Terrakion, and Focus Sash Garchomp can all set-up entry hazards, while also weakening or boosting on Pokemon that Latios has trouble with, such as Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Chansey, and Scizor. Swords Dance Terrakion, Substitute + Calm Mind Jirachi, and Swords Dance Scizor can capitalize on the Steel-types that Latios attracts and start putting offensive pressure. In general, Pokemon that can soften up Steel-types and dedicated special walls, such as Celebi, Jellicent, Blissey, and Chansey, work very well with Latios. Another Dragon-type is especially very effective to use with Calm Mind Latios, as Steel-types will inevitably be drawn in and weakened by it, leaving the rest to Latios the rest to finish. Dragon Dance Dragonite, mixed Salamence, and Substitute Kyurem-B can all do the trick. Finally, Latios fears strong priority, especially from Scizor and Mamoswine, which Gyarados and bulky Swords Dance Scizor with Roost can handle, as well as having good offensive synergy with Latios, serving as good partners.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Memento
    move 4: Draco Meteor
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Latios is good at blasting stuff, this is not all he can do. With access to Reflect and Light Screen, high Speed, and Memento, Latios makes for a great supporter. The best thing about this set is that it is very unexpected, and Latios really enjoys the defensive Steels that his other sets attract, making them setup bait for his teammates. The combination of dual screens and Memento can turn even the stronger sweeper into a harmless Pokemon for your own sweepers to setup. Draco Meteor gives to Latios a moderately strong attack to hit Taunt users, finish weakened Pokemon, and break Substitutes. Latios won't be staying in long, so the Special Attack drop is rarely an issue, if ever. Light Clay is used to maximize the length of Reflect and Light Screen.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs go to HP and Speed to give to Latios the easiest time tof setting up both screens. Dragon Pulse is an option over Draco Meteor if you don't want to give many set up chances to the opponent and intend to keep Latios for later, as otherwise Memento prevents any Pokemon from setting up on Latios. The best partners for this set are sweepers that can become very threatening after only one boost. For this reason, Dragonite, Terrakion, Lucario, Garchomp, Volcarona, Thundurus-T, and Salamence are all great choices.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Latios has Dragon Dance at his disposal, which can be used ion a mixed set with Draco Meteor, Earthquake, and Hidden Power Fire, enabling Latios to sweep through weakened teams and get past his counters, Tyranitar and Jirachi. However, the lowered damage output when using special attacks leaves Latios unable to get past many Pokemon that he otherwise could, making this set situational. Substitute allows Latios to avoid status, ease prediction, and avoid revenge kills, but Latios needs Life Orb to power up his coverage moves and thus cannot use Leftovers effectively. Hidden Power Fighting is useful to OHKO Choice Scarf Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, and 2HKO any other variant, but has no use outside of that. Rain Dance and Water Gem is the only way that Latios can OHKO 252/252+ Tyranitar (after two Stealth Rock switch-ins), but is a highly situational strategy focused solely on beating Tyranitar.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>The only surefire Latios counters are specially defensive Tyranitar and specially defensive Jirachi, which are able to avoid the 2HKO from any of Latios's moves and either trap and kill him in Tyranitar's case, or paralyze and slowly kill him in Jirachi's case. The only move they fear is Earthquake from Life Orb sets, but this move is almost never seen. Heatran in sun and Ferrothorn in rain are also able to wall any Latios variant and are very strong checks even outside of their prefered weather, fearing only Surf and Hidden Power Fire respectively. Apart from those Pokemon, Chansey, Blissey, Scizor, Bronzong, specially defensive Celebi, and Metagross are the best ways to check Latios, as they can stomach Latios's most dangerous weapon, Draco Meteor, but all fear Latios's coverage moves. Scizor and Metagross deserve a special mention, as they are able to trap and kill a Latios locked into the wrong move or after a Special Attack drop from Draco Meteor. Lastly, most faster Pokemon than Latios give him trouble and can revenge kill ithim, and the same is true for priority users. Such Pokemon include Choice Scarf Jirachi, Choice Scarf Salamence, Weavile, Tornadus, Starmie, Scizor, and Mamoswine.</p>


    Comments:
    Actually, as I recall Skarmory won't die to a single meteor, and neither will Forry. They're easily 2Hitko'd but they definitely stand a CHANCE of surviving one.
    When you say "Keldeo after a Calm Mind" it sounds like Latios is using CM. We all know what you really mean but then again the people who use these often don't so. I just put in that sentence to show that it always revenges Keldeo.
    You say setup sweepers such as Jirachi and Celebi;are you sure that's what you meant? Even if you mean SubCm at least replace Celebi given as it takes huge damage from meteor and often can't hit back
    CM latios still hates Meteor drops, moreso because it cuts its sweep short.
    in OO explain why Sub with LO chips away at Latios' health too hard especially since Recover/Roost cuts his coverage
    SpD rachi can also Wishtect to heal off Latios' attacks
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    Thx tehy added! Btw when i was talking about Celebi, i probably meant CM Celebi, which doesn't care a lot about Latios's DMs.
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    [Overview]

    <p>When thinking about offensive behemoths, Latios is one of the first Pokemon that comes to mind. Stellar Special Attack, great Speed, and good coverage are the most important traits that make Latios such a powerful force in OU. Latios can put these tools to use by destroying the opposition with powerful attacks, revenge killing dangerous threats, such as Keldeo and Terrakion, and acting as a good offensive pivot, thanks to his handy resistances and immunities, as well as underestimated special bulk. However, Latios's vulnerability to Pursuit and therefore to the prominent Pokemon, namely Scizor and Tyranitar, (RC) is his biggest flaw and usually prevents him from freely using his powerful Dragon moves from the get-go. Latios is also somewhat prone to faster physical attackers, as well as priority, which hit him on his weaker physical side.</p> This seems like kind of an awkward sentence to leave off on, but it is nice and concise.

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Surf
    move 3: Psyshock
    move 4: Trick / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set transforms Latios into a powerful nuke capable of destroying almost everything with just Draco Meteor, as every other move in the set is there to help Latios spam it Draco Meteor. To give you an example of Draco Meteor's power, it cleanly 2HKOs 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Less specially bulky Steel-types such as Skarmory and Forretress don't even stand a chance of surviving two Draco Meteors. Surf takes down any Steel-type in OU except for Ferrothorn and Jirachi, 2HKOes any Tyranitar bar the specially defensive variant, and gets pseudo-STAB in rain, making it a very safe move to use when Steel-types are healthy. Psyshock gets STAB and gives Latios a way to get past Blissey and Chansey, easily 2HKOing the first, (RC) while having a decent chance (30.47%) to 2HKO the latter after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage. It also allows Latios to OHKO Keldeo regardless of how many Calm Mind boosts it has accumulated. In the last slot, Trick cripples any defensive answer to Latios bar Tyranitar, (RC) and makes setup sweepers such as Jirachi and Celebi much easier to handle. Trick is very useful against balanced and defensive teams, which have solid defensive cores that are difficult to break through, and by crippling one of their defensive Pokemon you have basically weakened their whole defensive core. Hidden Power Fire is the only move that can break past Ferrothorn, (RC) and 2HKOes specially defensive Jirachi after Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes, but lowers Latios's Speed by one point, resulting in Latios getting outspeed by opposing Latios, Latias, and Gengar, all very popular Pokemon in OU.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>To get a taste of Latios's power, take a look at the damage calculations below:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 248/0 Scizor 59.47 - 69.97%, guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 0/0 HP Heatran 50.15 - 59.44%</li>
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 180/0 HP Tyranitar in sand 59.32 - 69.94%, guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Surf vs. 252/252+ Tyranitar 40.84 - 48.26%, 10.94% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Surf vs. 248/252+ Heatran 55.58 - 65.97%, guaranteed 2HKO</li>
    <li>Psyshock vs. 4/252 Blissey 59.5 - 70.09%</li>
    <li>Psyshock vs. 252/252+ Chansey 37.07 - 43.6%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Fire vs. 252/0 Jirachi 56.93 - 67.32%, guaranteed 2HKO</li>
    </ul>

    <p>Dragon Pulse can be used in the third or fourth slot to allow Latios to clean through weakened teams and gives him a Dragon move that doesn't turn him into setup bait. Latios enjoys rain support, as in rain Surf becomes a great move to use with little drawbacks, and Thunder, which hits most Steel-types very hard and obliterates Water-types, becomes an option. Grass Knot can 2HKO every Tyranitar set after Stealth Rock, as well as 2HKO specially defensive Jellicent, which Draco Meteor fails to do without Stealth Rock on the field.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock helps Latios 2HKO many Pokemon with Draco Meteor alone, such as Scizor, Choice Band Tyranitar, and specially defensive Jellicent. Spikes are also very useful and make Latios practically unwallable in conjunction with Stealth Rock, as there isn't a single Pokemon in OU that can avoid the 2HKO from Latios if he uses the right move (outside of rain and sun). Any Steel-type pairs nicely with Latios, so Ferrothorn, Forretress, Jirachi, Skarmory, Heatran, and Bronzong are great teammates. Y though Latios appreciates teammates that can deal with Steel-types, Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey, as even though Latios can get past most of them with his coverage moves, he prefers to flatten everything with Draco Meteor. Magnezone can eliminate Ferrothorn, Scizor, and U-turn-less support Jirachi, opening the way for Latios to use Draco Meteor. Magnezone also helps Latios with Scizor even if it doesn't trap it, as Scizor will be reluctant to trap Latios with Pursuit, knowing that it will get trapped by Magnezone after. Terrakion, Lucario, Iron Head Jirachi, and Swords Dance Scizor can all deal with Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey, while setting up on Tyranitar locked into Pursuit (except for Jirachi). Latios has many uses and can take multiple roles during the game, namely wallbreaker, offensive pivot, and revenge killer for most unboosted Pokemon, and thus can fit in almost any type of team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Psyshock
    move 3: Surf
    move 4: Trick
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to his great Speed, power, and coverage, Latios becomes one of the premier revenge killers in OU. When holding a Choice Scarf, Latios outspeeds common Choice Scarf users, including Salamence, Jirachi, Keldeo, and Terrakion, and boosting sweepers, such as Salac Berry Terrakion, Modest Venusaur in sun, and Shell Smash Cloyster. Draco Meteor is Latios's main revenge killing tool, (RC) and OHKOes every offensive Pokemon that isn't a Steel-type and is frailer than Keldeo. The Special Attack drop is not a big deal, as after Latios KOes his target the opponent is going to bring a check resistor in anyway. Psyshock takes care of Keldeo, Terrakion, and Venusaur, while Surf covers Heatran, Magnezone, and various other Steel-types, (RC) and becomes a great cleaning tool in rain. Finally, Trick cripples walls and setup sweepers, (RC) while also giving to Latios the ability to switch moves if the added Speed is not needed, for example against defensive teams.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Politoed powers up Surf and helps Latios get past Steel-types easier. The presence of rain also enables Latios to use Thunder, a great revenge killing tool against Gyarados, Starmie, and Water-types in general. Hidden Power Fire can be used to catch Scizor and Ferrothorn on the switch, but doesn't help revenge kill any particular threat and makes Latios Speed tie with +2 Jolly Cloyster. Dragon Pulse is useful for picking apart weakened teams, as well as OHKOing weakened offensive Pokemon without becoming setup bait afterwards. A fast Memento can provide a crucial setup opportunity for one of your sweepers, as well as cripple troubling Pokemon that Latios cannot harm with his other moves.</p>

    <p>While Latios is a superb revenge killer, his Pursuit weakness is his most fatal flaw and holds him back from doing his job effectively when Tyranitar or Scizor are around.
    This means that either Pursuit users should be eliminated or weakened before Latios comes in, (RC) or that Latios should be partnered with a secondary check to the threats that he handles, so if in case Latios faces a team with a Pursuit user he isn't rendered totally useless. Unlike most Choice Scarf users, Latios is unable to do anything meaningful to Volcarona, except for locking it into a move, which helps but is situational so make sure to pack a check for it Volcarona. Gyarados, Terrakion, and Heatran all handle Volcarona pretty well and have great offensive and defensive synergy with Latios; Gyarados even walls the priority users that Latios fears, Scizor and Mamoswine. As this set is a revenge killer and lacks the power to break through specially defensive Pokemon and Steel-types, Pokemon to deal with them are appreciated. Heatran, Terrakion, and Infernape take care of most Steel-types and special walls, and the latter two enjoy outspeeding almost every Pokemon in the opposing team after Latios eliminates the Choice Scarf user or any other fast Pokemon. Magnezone traps and kills Scizor, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and U-turn-less Iron Head Jirachi, making it much easier for Latios to spam Draco Meteor and clean up late-game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Psyshock
    move 3: Surf / Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Roost
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is pretty similar to the Choice Specs set, but gives up the extra power in exchange for the ability to switch switching moves and having reliable recovery. Unlike the Choice Specs set, this one prefers to use coverage moves the first time it gets in, (RC) to weaken its counters, and even if Latios predicts wrong, (RC) he can throw out a Draco Meteor the next turn. Basically, this set is more self-sufficient than Choice Specs Latios, as it can take care of its counters more easily, but needs better prediction. With Life Orb Latios also becomes a great cleaner, as he has great power, coverage, and Speed. Draco Meteor is a powerful move and does severe damage even to Pokemon which resist it. With Psyshock Latios outspeeds and OHKOes Keldeo, Terrakion in sand, and Tentacruel, all very common Pokemon and tricky to deal with, while Latios can take one hit from Keldeo and Tentacruel, making him even more adept at dealing with them. Surf gives coverage against Steel-types and Tyranitar; it 2HKOes Scizor and every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, bar the specially defensive set. Hidden Power Fire deals 87% minimum to standard Ferrothorn, 2HKOes 252 HP Jirachi after Stealth Rock and OHKOes Scizor, or 2HKOes after Draco Meteor, giving Latios more freedom when Scizor is around. However, Hidden Power Fire becomes ineffective in rain and causes Latios to lose the Speed tie against opposing Latios, Latias, and Gengar. Roost rounds off the set, (RC) and helps Latios act as a better pivot, (RC) and offsets passive damage from Life Orb, sand, and Stealth Rock, and lets Latios stick around longer.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Expert Belt is a great alternative to Life Orb which allows Latios to bluff a Choice Scarf set, and to possibly eliminate unsuspecting Steel-types. With Expert Belt, Latios can forgo Roost and enhance his coverage with a fourth attacking move. Thunder can replace Psyshock or Surf on rain teams to hit Water-types hard while still hitting Steel-types for neutral damage. Earthquake is an uncommon but effective move to deal with Latios's biggest obstacles, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and Heatran in sun. With 160 Attack EVs and a Naive nature, Earthquake 2HKOes 252 HP Tyranitar and 252 HP Jirachi after Stealth Rock, (RC) and OHKOes 248 HP Heatran. However, Latios's special attacks become noticeably weaker, leaving him open to other threats, so choose wisely. If using Latios on a sun team, Earthquake is strongly recommended to deal with Heatran and Tyranitar, two Pokemon that annoy every sun team in existence. Hidden Power Fighting is an option to 2HKO every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, (RC) while hitting Ferrothorn and Heatran for decent damage.</p>

    <p>This is probably the set that benefits from Drizzle support the most, as it frequently uses Surf to catch Steel-types on the switch, so Politoed is a good partner. Thunder is viable on rain teams and can be used over either coverage move to deal with Water-types better while still hitting most Steel-types for neutral damage. Sun is another beneficial weather for Latios, as it powers up Hidden Power Fire and allows Latios to get past Steel-types not named Heatran more easily. Both weathers prevent sand damage, (AC) which limits Latios's longevity along with Life Orb damage. Latios's usual teammates are always appreciated; Terrakion, Heatran, Ferrothorn, Gyarados, and Lucario cover most of Latios's problems. Terrakion, Scizor, Heatran, Gyarados, and Lucario These teammates can also get past most Steel-types, Chansey, and Blissey, while Gyarados has the added benefit of shielding Latios from priority hits from the likes of Scizor and Mamoswine. Ferrothorn, Heatran, and Terrakion provide entry hazards which help Latios KO his opponents. Magnezone is a good partner, but is much less needed for this set, which is more self-reliant than Latios's other offensive sets. When using Expert Belt, it is beneficial to pack Pokemon that can take advantage of the Pokemon that Latios lures and eliminates. Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Heatran are all Pokemon that Latios can get out of the way, so Pokemon such as Terrakion, Gyarados, and or Volcarona can sweep unhindered.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Dragon Pulse
    move 3: Surf
    move 4: Roost / Psyshock
    item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Instead of immediately powering through opponents stuff, this set enables Latios to sweep through teams, under the right circumstances. Similarly to Latias, this set finds a switch-in opportunity against a resisted attack and starts using Calm Mind, healing with Roost whenever necessary. However, unlike Latias, Latios can be very threatening after just one or two boosts, and this is where his strength lies. The opponent cannot any longer sacrifice a weakened Pokemon and send in his faster special attacker to KO Latios. Dragon Pulse gives your typical great neutral coverage and OHKOes practically every non Steel-type offensive Pokemon after just a boost with Life Orb and Stealth Rock. Surf gives near perfect neutral coverage and picks off any Steel-type neutral to it, and by the time Latios comes in, Steel-types should have already been put into Surf's KO range. Lastly, Roost pairs well with Leftovers, giving to Latios more switch-in and setup oportunities, as well as increased longevity, while Life Orb pairs nicely with Psyshock and allows Latios to OHKO Blissey after a boost, Stealth Rock, and a layer of Spikes; it also gives Latios an easier time against Tentacruel and Gastrodon, both of who can Toxic Latios and start stalling him with Protect and Recover, (AC) respectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Latios can use an alternative spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe with Roost and Leftovers. He is basically a slightly more offensive Calm Mind Latias, but Latias usually does this job better, as the extra bulk is appreciated. Hidden Power Fire is an option if Latios is not used on a rain team, (RC) and gives crucial coverage against Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Jirachi. Draco Meteor is a great move for early-game wallbreaking, (RC) and packs tremendous power after a boost, while the Special Attack drop doesn't trouble Latios so much, thanks to the initial Calm Mind boost. Any combination of STAB and coverage moves can be used, as Calm Mind Latios is pretty flexible and can tailor his moveset according to his team's needs. Lum Berry combined with Hidden Power Fire allows Latios to lure and 2HKO
    specially defensive Rotom-W with Thunder-Wave, Blissey (needs Psyshock), Toxic Heatran, and slightly weakened specially defensive variants of Jirachi and Celebi, while getting out of the confrontation unscathed.</p>

    <p>Politoed is a great teammate, powering up Surf's power and allowing Latios to OHKO Scizor after a Calm Mind and Stealth Rock.
    Magnezone helps deal with the Steel-types that wall Latios depending on the coverage moves he uses, making it much easier for Latios to sweep late-game. Entry hazard setters are beneficial and help Latios get certain OHKOs and 2HKOs after a boost, such as the previously mentioned OHKOs on at Scizor and Blissey. Custap Berry Forretress, Focus Sash Terrakion, and Focus Sash Garchomp can all set up entry hazards, (RC) while also weakening or boosting on Pokemon that Latios has trouble with, such as Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Chansey, and Scizor. Swords Dance Terrakion, Substitute + Calm Mind Jirachi, and Swords Dance Scizor can capitalize on the Steel-types that Latios attracts and start putting on offensive pressure. In general, Pokemon that can soften up Steel-types and dedicated special walls, such as Celebi, Jellicent, Blissey, and Chansey, work very well with Latios. Another Dragon-type is especially very effective to use with Calm Mind Latios, as Steel-types will inevitably be drawn in and weakened by it, leaving the rest to Latios to finish. Dragon Dance Dragonite, mixed Salamence, and Substitute Kyurem-B can all do the trick. Finally, Latios fears strong priority, especially from Scizor and Mamoswine, which Gyarados and bulky Swords Dance Scizor with Roost can handle, as well as having good offensive synergy with Latios, serving as good partners.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Memento
    move 4: Draco Meteor
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Latios is good at blasting stuff, this is not all he can do. With access to Reflect and Light Screen, high Speed, and Memento, Latios makes for a great supporter. The best thing about this set is that it is very unexpected, and Latios really enjoys the using defensive Steel-types that his other sets attract to set up on, making them setup bait for his teammates. The combination of dual screens and Memento can turn even the stronger sweeper into a harmless Pokemon for your own sweepers to set up against. Draco Meteor gives to Latios a moderately strong attack to hit Taunt users, finish weakened Pokemon, and break Substitutes. Latios won't be staying in long, so the Special Attack drop is rarely an issue, if ever. Light Clay is used to maximize the length of Reflect and Light Screen.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs go to HP and Speed to give Latios the easiest time of setting up both screens. Dragon Pulse is an option over Draco Meteor if you don't want to give many setup chances to the opponent and intend to keep Latios for later, as otherwise Memento prevents any Pokemon from setting up on Latios. The best partners for this set are sweepers that can become very threatening after only one boost. For this reason, Dragonite, Terrakion, Lucario, Garchomp, Volcarona, Thundurus-T, and Salamence are all great choices.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Latios has Dragon Dance, which can be used on a mixed set with Draco Meteor, Earthquake, and Hidden Power Fire, enabling Latios to sweep through weakened teams and get past his counters, including Tyranitar and Jirachi. However, the lowered damage output when using special attacks leaves Latios unable to get past many Pokemon that he otherwise could, making this set situational. Substitute allows Latios to avoid status, ease prediction, and avoid revenge kills, but Latios needs Life Orb to power up his coverage moves and thus cannot use Leftovers effectively, so Latios is going to lose health pretty fast. Even though Roost seems as a good idea to use with Substitute, it isn't, as it cuts Latios's coverage and leaves it walled by many Pokemon. Hidden Power Fighting is useful to OHKO Choice Scarf Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, (RC) and 2HKO any other variant, (RC) but has no use outside of that. Rain Dance and Water Gem is the only way that Latios can OHKO 252/252+ Tyranitar (after two Stealth Rock switch-ins or Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes), but is a highly situational strategy focused solely on beating Tyranitar.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>The only surefire Latios counters are specially defensive Tyranitar and specially defensive Jirachi, which are able to avoid the 2HKO from any of Latios's moves and either trap and kill him in Tyranitar's case, (RC) or paralyze and slowly kill him in Jirachi's case. The only move they fear is Earthquake from Life Orb sets, but this move is almost never seen. Heatran in sun and Ferrothorn in rain are also able to wall any Latios variant and are very strong checks even outside of their prefered weather, fearing only Surf and Hidden Power Fire respectively. Apart from those Pokemon, Chansey, Blissey, Scizor, Bronzong, specially defensive Celebi, and Metagross are the best ways to check Latios, as they can stomach Latios's most dangerous weapon, Draco Meteor, but all fear Latios's coverage moves. Scizor and Metagross deserve a special mention, as they are able to trap and kill a Latios locked into the wrong move or after a Special Attack drop from Draco Meteor. Lastly, most faster Pokemon give him Latios trouble and can revenge kill him; (SC) , and the same is true for priority users. Such Pokemon include Choice Scarf Jirachi, Choice Scarf Salamence, Weavile, Tornadus, Starmie, Scizor, and Mamoswine.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>When thinking about offensive behemoths, Latios is one of the first Pokemon that comes to mind. Stellar Special Attack, great Speed, and good coverage are the most important traits that make Latios such a powerful force in OU. Latios can put these tools to use by destroying the opposition with powerful attacks, revenge killing dangerous threats, such as Keldeo and Terrakion, and acting as a good offensive pivot thanks to his handy resistances and immunities, as well as underestimated special bulk. However, Latios's vulnerability to Pursuit and therefore to the prominent Scizor and Tyranitar is his biggest flaw and usually prevents him from freely using his powerful Dragon moves from the get-go. Latios is also somewhat prone to faster physical attackers, as well as priority, which hit him on his weaker physical side.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Surf
    move 3: Psyshock
    move 4: Trick / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Specs
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set transforms Latios into a powerful nuke capable of destroying almost everything with just Draco Meteor, as every other move in the set is there to help Latios spam it. To give you an example of Draco Meteor's power, it cleanly 2HKOs 248 HP Scizor after Stealth Rock. Less specially bulky Steel-types such as Skarmory and Forretress don't even stand a chance of surviving two Draco Meteors. Surf takes down any Steel-type in OU except for Ferrothorn and Jirachi, 2HKOes any Tyranitar bar the specially defensive variant, and gets pseudo-STAB in rain, making it a very safe move to use when Steel-types are healthy. Psyshock gets STAB and gives Latios a way to get past Blissey and Chansey, easily 2HKOing the first while having a decent chance (30.47%) to 2HKO the latter after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage. It also allows Latios to OHKO Keldeo regardless of how many Calm Mind boosts it has accumulated. In the last slot, Trick cripples any defensive answer to Latios bar Tyranitar and makes setup sweepers such as Jirachi and Celebi much easier to handle. Trick is very useful against balanced and defensive teams, which have solid defensive cores that are difficult to break through, and by crippling one of their defensive Pokemon you have basically weakened their whole defensive core. Hidden Power Fire is the only move that can break past Ferrothorn and 2HKOes specially defensive Jirachi after Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes, but lowers Latios's Speed by one point, resulting in Latios getting outspeed by opposing Latios, Latias, and Gengar, all very popular Pokemon in OU.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>To get a taste of Latios's power, take a look at the damage calculations below:</p>

    <ul class="damage_calculation">
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 248/0 Scizor: 59.47 - 69.97%, guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 0/0 HP Heatran: 50.15 - 59.44%</li>
    <li>Draco Meteor vs. 180/0 HP Tyranitar in sand: 59.32 - 69.94%, guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Surf vs. 252/252+ Tyranitar: 40.84 - 48.26%, 10.94% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock</li>
    <li>Surf vs. 248/252+ Heatran: 55.58 - 65.97%, guaranteed 2HKO</li>
    <li>Psyshock vs. 4/252 Blissey: 59.5 - 70.09%</li>
    <li>Psyshock vs. 252/252+ Chansey: 37.07 - 43.6%</li>
    <li>Hidden Power Fire vs. 252/0 Jirachi: 56.93 - 67.32%, guaranteed 2HKO</li>
    </ul>

    <p>Dragon Pulse can be used in the third or fourth slot to allow Latios to clean through weakened teams and gives him a Dragon move that doesn't turn him into setup bait. Latios enjoys rain support, since in the rain Surf becomes a great move to use with little drawbacks, and Thunder, which hits most Steel-types very hard and obliterates Water-types, becomes an option. Grass Knot can 2HKO every Tyranitar set after Stealth Rock, as well as 2HKO specially defensive Jellicent, which Draco Meteor fails to do without Stealth Rock on the field.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock helps Latios 2HKO many Pokemon with Draco Meteor alone such as Scizor, Choice Band Tyranitar, and specially defensive Jellicent. Spikes are also very useful and make Latios practically unwallable in conjunction with Stealth Rock, as there isn't a single Pokemon in OU that can avoid the 2HKO from Latios if he uses the right move (outside of rain and sun). Any Steel-type pairs nicely with Latios, so Ferrothorn, Forretress, Jirachi, Skarmory, Heatran, and Bronzong are great teammates. Latios appreciates teammates that can deal with Steel-types, Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey, as even though Latios can get past most of them with his coverage moves, he prefers to flatten everything with Draco Meteor. Magnezone can eliminate Ferrothorn, Scizor, and U-turn-less support Jirachi, opening the way for Latios to use Draco Meteor. Magnezone also helps Latios with Scizor even if it doesn't trap it, as Scizor will be reluctant to trap Latios with Pursuit, knowing that it will get trapped by Magnezone after. Terrakion, Lucario, Iron Head Jirachi, and Swords Dance Scizor can all deal with Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey, while setting up on Tyranitar locked into Pursuit (except for Jirachi). Latios has many uses and can take multiple roles during the game, namely wallbreaker, offensive pivot, and revenge killer for most unboosted Pokemon, and thus can fit in almost any type of team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Psyshock
    move 3: Surf
    move 4: Trick
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to his great Speed, power, and coverage, Latios becomes one of the premier revenge killers in OU. When holding a Choice Scarf, Latios outspeeds common Choice Scarf users, including Salamence, Jirachi, Keldeo, and Terrakion, and boosting sweepers such as Salac Berry Terrakion, Modest Venusaur in sun, and Shell Smash Cloyster. Draco Meteor is Latios's main revenge killing tool and OHKOes every offensive Pokemon that isn't a Steel-type and is frailer than Keldeo. The Special Attack drop is not a big deal, as after Latios KOes his target the opponent is going to bring a check in anyway. Psyshock takes care of Keldeo, Terrakion, and Venusaur, while Surf covers Heatran, Magnezone, and various other Steel-types and becomes a great cleaning tool in rain. Finally, Trick cripples walls and setup sweepers while also giving to Latios the ability to switch moves if the added Speed is not needed, for example against defensive teams.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Politoed powers up Surf thanks to Drizzle and helps Latios get past Steel-types easier. The presence of rain also enables Latios to use Thunder, a great revenge killing tool against Gyarados, Starmie, and Water-types in general. Hidden Power Fire can be used to catch Scizor and Ferrothorn on the switch, but doesn't help revenge kill any particular threat and makes Latios Speed tie with +2 Jolly Cloyster. Dragon Pulse is useful for picking apart weakened teams, as well as OHKOing weakened offensive Pokemon without becoming setup bait afterwards. A fast Memento can provide a crucial setup opportunity for one of your sweepers, as well as cripple troubling Pokemon that Latios cannot harm with his other moves.</p>

    <p>While Latios is a superb revenge killer, his Pursuit weakness is his most fatal flaw and holds him back from doing his job effectively when Tyranitar or Scizor are around. This means that Pursuit users should be eliminated or weakened before Latios comes in or Latios should be partnered with a secondary check to the threats that he handles, so if Latios faces a team with a Pursuit user he isn't rendered totally useless. Unlike most Choice Scarf users, Latios is unable to do anything meaningful to Volcarona, except for locking it into a move, which helps but is situational, so make sure to pack a check for it. Gyarados, Terrakion, and Heatran all handle Volcarona pretty well and have great offensive and defensive synergy with Latios; Gyarados even walls the priority users that Latios fears, Scizor, and Mamoswine. As this set is a revenge killer and lacks the power to break through specially defensive Pokemon and Steel-types, Pokemon to deal with them are appreciated. Heatran, Terrakion, and Infernape take care of most Steel-types and special walls, and the latter two enjoy outspeeding almost every Pokemon on the opposing team after Latios eliminates the Choice Scarf user or any other fast Pokemon. Magnezone traps and kills Scizor, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and U-turn-less Iron Head Jirachi, making it much easier for Latios to spam Draco Meteor and clean up late-game.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Draco Meteor
    move 2: Psyshock
    move 3: Surf / Hidden Power Fire
    move 4: Roost
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is pretty similar to the Choice Specs set, but gives up the extra power in exchange for the ability to switch moves and reliable recovery. Unlike the Choice Specs set, this one prefers to use coverage moves the first time it gets in to weaken its counters, and even if Latios predicts wrong he can throw out a Draco Meteor the next turn. Basically, this set is more self-sufficient than Choice Specs Latios, as it can take care of its counters more easily, but needs better prediction. With Life Orb, Latios also becomes a great cleaner, as he has great power, coverage, and Speed. Draco Meteor is a powerful move and does severe damage even to Pokemon which resist it. With Psyshock Latios outspeeds and OHKOes Keldeo, Terrakion in sand, and Tentacruel, all very common Pokemon and tricky to deal with, while Latios can take one hit from Keldeo and Tentacruel, making him even more adept at dealing with them. Surf gives coverage against Steel-types and Tyranitar; it 2HKOes Scizor and every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock, bar the specially defensive set. Hidden Power Fire deals 87% minimum to standard Ferrothorn, 2HKOes 252 HP Jirachi after Stealth Rock, and OHKOes Scizor, or 2HKOes after Draco Meteor, giving Latios more freedom when Scizor is around. However, Hidden Power Fire becomes ineffective in rain and causes Latios to lose the Speed tie against opposing Latios, Latias, and Gengar. Roost rounds off the set and helps Latios act as a better pivot and offsets passive damage from Life Orb, sand, and Stealth Rock.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Expert Belt is a great alternative to Life Orb which allows Latios to bluff a Choice Scarf set, which can allow him to possibly eliminate unsuspecting Steel-types. With Expert Belt, Latios can forgo Roost and enhance his coverage with a fourth attacking move. Thunder can replace Psyshock or Surf on rain teams to hit Water-types hard while still hitting Steel-types for neutral damage. Earthquake is an uncommon but effective move to deal with Latios's biggest obstacles, namely Tyranitar, Jirachi, and Heatran in sun. With 160 Attack EVs and a Naive nature, Earthquake 2HKOes 252 HP Tyranitar and 252 HP Jirachi after Stealth Rock and OHKOes 248 HP Heatran. However, Latios's special attacks become noticeably weaker, leaving him open to other threats, so choose wisely. If using Latios on a sun team, Earthquake is strongly recommended to deal with Heatran and Tyranitar, two Pokemon that annoy every sun team in existence. Hidden Power Fighting is an option to 2HKO every Tyranitar after Stealth Rock while hitting Ferrothorn and Heatran for decent damage.</p>

    <p>This is probably the set that benefits from Drizzle support the most, as it frequently uses Surf to catch Steel-types on the switch, so Politoed is a good partner. Thunder is viable on rain teams and can be used over either coverage move to deal with Water-types better while still hitting most Steel-types for neutral damage. Sun is another beneficial weather for Latios, as it powers up Hidden Power Fire and allows Latios to get past Steel-types not named Heatran more easily. Both weathers prevent sand damage, which limits Latios's longevity when combined with Life Orb damage. Latios's usual teammates are always appreciated; Terrakion, Heatran, Ferrothorn, Gyarados, and Lucario cover most of Latios's problems. Most of these teammates can also get past Steel-types, Chansey, and Blissey, while Gyarados has the added benefit of shielding Latios from priority hits from the likes of Scizor and Mamoswine. Ferrothorn, Heatran, and Terrakion provide entry hazards which help Latios KO his opponents. Magnezone is a good partner, but is much less needed for this set, which is more self-reliant than Latios's other offensive sets. When using Expert Belt, it is beneficial to pack Pokemon that can take advantage of the Pokemon that Latios lures and eliminates. Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Heatran are all Pokemon that Latios can get out of the way, so Pokemon such as Terrakion, Gyarados, or Volcarona can sweep unhindered.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Dragon Pulse
    move 3: Surf
    move 4: Roost / Psyshock
    item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Instead of immediately powering through opponents, this set enables Latios to sweep through teams under the right circumstances. Similarly to Latias, this set finds a switch-in opportunity against a resisted attack and starts using Calm Mind, healing with Roost whenever necessary. However, unlike Latias, Latios can be very threatening after just one or two boosts, and this is where his strength lies. The opponent cannot any longer sacrifice a weakened Pokemon and send in his faster special attacker to KO Latios. Dragon Pulse gives typical great neutral coverage and OHKOes practically every non Steel-type offensive Pokemon after just a boost with Life Orb and Stealth Rock. Surf gives near perfect neutral coverage and picks off any Steel-type neutral to it, and by the time Latios comes in, Steel-types should have already been put into Surf's KO range. Lastly, Roost pairs well with Leftovers, giving Latios more switch-in and setup opportunities, as well as increased longevity, while Life Orb pairs nicely with Psyshock and allows Latios to OHKO Blissey after a boost, Stealth Rock, and a layer of Spikes. Roost also gives Latios an easier time against Tentacruel and Gastrodon, both of who can Toxic Latios and start stalling him with Protect and Recover, respectively.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Latios can use an alternative spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe with Roost and Leftovers. He is basically a slightly more offensive Calm Mind Latias, but Latias usually does this job better, as the extra bulk is appreciated. Hidden Power Fire is an option if Latios is not used on a rain team and gives crucial coverage against Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Jirachi. Draco Meteor is a great move for early-game wallbreaking and packs tremendous power after a boost, while the Special Attack drop doesn't trouble Latios so much, thanks to the initial Calm Mind boost. Any combination of STAB and coverage moves can be used, as Calm Mind Latios is pretty flexible and can tailor his moveset according to his team's needs. Lum Berry combined with Hidden Power Fire allows Latios to lure and 2HKO specially defensive Rotom-W with Thunder Wave, Blissey (needs Psyshock), Toxic Heatran, and slightly weakened specially defensive variants of Jirachi and Celebi, while getting out of the confrontation unscathed.</p>

    <p>Politoed is a great teammate, powering up Surf power and allowing Latios to OHKO Scizor after a Calm Mind and Stealth Rock. Magnezone helps deal with the Steel-types that wall Latios depending on the coverage moves he uses, making it much easier for Latios to sweep late-game. Entry hazard setters are beneficial and help Latios get certain OHKOs and 2HKOs after a boost, such as the previously mentioned OHKOs on Scizor and Blissey. Custap Berry Forretress, Focus Sash Terrakion, and Focus Sash Garchomp can all set up entry hazards while also weakening or boosting on Pokemon that Latios has trouble with such as Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, Chansey, and Scizor. Swords Dance Terrakion, Substitute + Calm Mind Jirachi, and Swords Dance Scizor can capitalize on the Steel-types that Latios attracts and start putting on offensive pressure. In general, Pokemon that can soften up Steel-types and dedicated special walls, such as Celebi, Jellicent, Blissey, and Chansey, work very well with Latios. Another Dragon-type is especially very effective to use with Calm Mind Latios, as Steel-types will inevitably be drawn in and weakened by it, leaving the rest to Latios to finish. Dragon Dance Dragonite, mixed Salamence, and Substitute Kyurem-B can all do the trick. Finally, Latios fears strong priority, especially from Scizor and Mamoswine, which Gyarados and bulky Swords Dance Scizor with Roost can handle, as well as having good offensive synergy with Latios, serving as good partners.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Memento
    move 4: Draco Meteor
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Latios is good at blasting stuff, this is not all he can do. With access to Reflect and Light Screen, high Speed, and Memento, Latios makes for a great supporter. The best thing about this set is that it is very unexpected, and Latios really enjoys using defensive Steel-types that his other sets attract to set up on. The combination of dual screens and Memento can turn even the stronger sweeper into a harmless Pokemon for your own sweepers to set up against. Draco Meteor gives Latios a moderately strong attack to hit Taunt users, finish weakened Pokemon, and break Substitutes. Latios won't be staying in long, so the Special Attack drop is rarely an issue, if ever. Light Clay is used to maximize the length of Reflect and Light Screen.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs go to HP and Speed to give Latios the easiest time of setting up both screens. Dragon Pulse is an option over Draco Meteor if you don't want to give many setup chances to the opponent and intend to keep Latios for later, as otherwise Memento prevents any Pokemon from setting up on Latios. The best partners for this set are sweepers that can become very threatening after just one boost. Dragonite, Terrakion, Lucario, Garchomp, Volcarona, Thundurus-T, and Salamence are all great choices.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Latios has Dragon Dance, which can be used on a mixed set with Draco Meteor, Earthquake, and Hidden Power Fire, enabling Latios to sweep through weakened teams and get past his counters, namely Tyranitar and Jirachi. However, the lowered damage output when using special attacks leaves Latios unable to get past many Pokemon that he otherwise could, making this set situational. Substitute allows Latios to avoid status, ease prediction, and avoid revenge kills, but Latios needs Life Orb to power up his coverage moves and thus cannot use Leftovers effectively, so Latios is going to lose health pretty fast. Even though Roost seems like a good idea to use with Substitute, it isn't, as it cuts Latios's coverage and leaves it walled by many Pokemon. Hidden Power Fighting is useful to OHKO Choice Scarf Tyranitar after Stealth Rock and 2HKO any other variant but has no use outside of that. Rain Dance and Water Gem is the only way that Latios can OHKO 252/252+ Tyranitar (after two Stealth Rock switch-ins or Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes), but is a highly situational strategy focused solely on beating Tyranitar.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>The only surefire Latios counters are specially defensive Tyranitar and specially defensive Jirachi, which are able to avoid the 2HKO from any of Latios's moves and either trap and kill him in Tyranitar's case or paralyze and slowly kill him in Jirachi's case. The only move they fear is Earthquake from Life Orb sets, but this move is almost never seen. Heatran in sun and Ferrothorn in rain are also able to wall any Latios variant and are very strong checks even outside of their preferred weather, fearing only Surf and Hidden Power Fire respectively. Apart from those Pokemon, Chansey, Blissey, Scizor, Bronzong, specially defensive Celebi, and Metagross are the best ways to check Latios, as they can stomach Latios's most dangerous weapon, Draco Meteor, but all fear Latios's coverage moves. Scizor and Metagross deserve a special mention, as they are able to trap and kill a Latios locked into the wrong move or after a Special Attack drop from Draco Meteor. Lastly, most faster Pokemon give Latios trouble and can revenge kill him; the the same is true for priority users. Such Pokemon include Choice Scarf Jirachi, Choice Scarf Salamence, Weavile, Tornadus, Starmie, Scizor, and Mamoswine.</p>


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    you definitely have gotten better at writing in English, well done :>
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    Thx Oglemi, implemented! About this sentence:

    You told me to put a comma after Scizor but i disagree. The sentence after the only comma i have put, mentions the priority users that Latios fears, which are Scizor and Mamoswine. I have only two things mentioned, so there is no need for a second comma. I assume you thought i had mentioned three things, 1.priority users that Latios fears, 2.Scizor, and 3. Mamoswine right?
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    sorry I was kinda distracted when I was GPing it :>

    I thought you were talking about most priority in general, Scizor, and Mamoswine.

    If that's what you're talking about then it should be "the priority Latios fears from the likes of Scizor and Mamoswine."
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    Ok Oglemi, fixed! This is now done!
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    Alright

    Uploading the blue bomber, good work!

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