Pokémon Latios

[MrCookiepants]

Distributed Latis will come holding their respective Mega stones. Where are the Soul Dews gonna come from? It'll likely stay unreleased.

I'm disappointed they made these Megas look like jet planes without increasing the speed. lol. And they could have done with a more interesting ability than Levitate. But M Latias in particular looks ridiculously good. Like a slightly less bulky Lugia with much more offensive power. I will definitely use it.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

Even Game Freak bans Soul Dew (since RSE), of course they wouldn't see a problem making Megas that are "worse" than it. Tbh they couldn't even outclass Soul Dew, as they only give a 100 BST boost.

Regardless, 110 Speed is disappointing. My first impression is that Latios will be more or less like Salamence: good, but outclassed in everything he tries to do. A better Salamence, sure. But still.

 

[aVocado]

Serebii posted the base stats.. dunno if they're correct or not, but they're pretty close to what Haunter got

-------------HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe
Mega Latios: 80/130/100/160/120/110
Mega Latias: 80/100/120/140/150/110

 

[Pyritie]

It's not. In the video posted above, it clearly says "Latiosite", meaning it's a different item altogether.

I meant from a flavour point of view. Like "blah blah it turns out the mega ring also works with soul dew to unlock its ~true power~ blah blah"

 

[Plat]

Serebii posted the base stats.. dunno if they're correct or not, but they're pretty close to what Haunter got

-------------HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe
Mega Latios: 80/130/100/160/120/110
Mega Latias: 80/100/120/140/150/110

What would have been interesting is if Gamefreak gave the lati twins serene grace to guarantee their signature moves always caused a stat drop. This is kind of theory-monning but it would have given them great individual niches that no other dragon can pull off.

Latios really doesn't gain much in this transition. I guess high mixed attacking skills are nice to fall back on after a draco meteor, but he would have really appreciated a speed boost more I feel.

 

[X5Dragon]

Mega Latios: 80/130/100/160/120/110

Well I guess the EQ lure set just got a bit more interesting. Latios to me is the best offensive defogger (if that makes any sense) and his good speed and LO make him a good addition to many teams.

 

[Draceius]

When I saw the stats on serebii, I actually started calcing to see how much fun I could have with this, for example:
152 Atk Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 388-460 (100.5 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Just thought that was interesting, though it's got close to Kyurem-white offences, it can't run items outside latiosite (no duh), so I'm wondering how good at wall breaking it will be, or whether it'll just end up as Draco everything, then physically attack whatever lived with appropriate coverage. It's gong to be fun to use none the less.

 

[QuickBH]

why did they make two of my favorite mon's have an ugly as hell megalution 0/10 delete it.

As mentioned, Mega Latios simply doesn't provide enough to be taking off a mega slot, it's weaker than it's specs set without the benefits of trick. It might be a nice replacement to LO if you don't have any mega pokemon on your team, but it's just so.....average.

 

[Antihaxxer]

Isn't Life Orb better than Latiosite even for physical attack ?

 

[Draceius]

Isn't Life Orb better than Latiosite even for physical attack ?

Life orb Latios
152 Atk Life Orb Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 385-458 (99.7 - 118.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Mega Latios
152 Atk Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 388-460 (100.5 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So nope, the mega actually does more on the physical side than life orb, but just.

EDIT:
woops, I'm and idiot
252 Atk Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 109-129 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 110-131 (27.2 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 421-499 (109 - 129.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Latios Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 416-492 (107.7 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So basically it varies on your EV's, probably because of the damage formula, but even then, it's a tiny difference, and no recoil.

 

[aVocado]

"Mega Kangaskhan looks like it'll be a decent sweeper in UU"
"Mega Pinsir sounds terrible"
"Mega Lati@s seem so.. average."

lol

Seriously though, Idk what to think of Latios. On one hand, DD Latios seems like it could put in some work with a mixed set or even DD, on the other hand, it's outclassed by regular Latios since it's better all-around with one of Choice Specs or Life Orb.

What about Latias though? Imo it's worth giving up Leftovers for Latiasite on a CM set, or even a regular Defog Latias.

 

[QuickBH]

"Mega Kangaskhan looks like it'll be a decent sweeper in UU"
"Mega Pinsir sounds terrible"
"Mega Lati@s seem so.. average."

lol

Seriously though, Idk what to think of Latios. On one hand, DD Latios seems like it could put in some work with a mixed set or even DD, on the other hand, it's outclassed by regular Latios since it's better all-around with one of Choice Specs or Life Orb.

We'll have to see, but it's base stats just don't make up for taking up a mega slot as it seems, fully physical attack Latios is outclassed by every other dragon dancing dragon in existence so idk.

What about Latias though? Tbh it's worth it giving up Leftovers for Latiasite on a CM, or even a regular Defog Latias.

Well it's a Latios thread so I didn't want to talk about Latias, but it actually seems pretty good since Latias has recover and the defense might come in handy, but unlike Latias who got a defense boost and a sp.d boost (stats that aren't really enhanced by items because lol assault vest Latias) Latios got an attack boost to make up for the weaker Sp.A which doesn't really work lol.

 

[Rechi]

If nothing else, it might be worth using Mega Latios just so it doesn't get obliterated by every Knock Off user, sans Bisharp and Crawdaunt.

Latios:
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 294-348 (97.3 - 115.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Landorus-T Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 304-358 (100.6 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 Atk Mandibuzz Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 180-212 (59.6 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mega Latios:
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Knock Off vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 166-196 (54.9 - 64.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Landorus-T Knock Off vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 170-200 (56.2 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Mandibuzz Knock Off vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latios: 102-120 (33.7 - 39.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Mega Latias fares even better since it can actually take a Knock Off from Bisharp at full health.

Latias:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 484-569 (132.9 - 156.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 398-471 (109.3 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 268-316 (73.6 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Landorus-T Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 276-326 (75.8 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Mega Latias:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 252-299 (69.2 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 312-369 (85.7 - 101.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO heh
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 142-168 (39 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Landorus-T Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 146-172 (40.1 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

 

[Jin69]

Offensive DD set for Mega Latios anyone?

 

[Prophet]

No Life Orb recoil means more longevity and the uncompromised additional bulk to run a more effective CM set than regular Latios.
Knock Off does less damage.
Immunity to Trick.
A reminder that it still has special moves like Thunderbolt and Ice Beam to make short work of Skarmory, Azumarill, Gyarados, Gliscor, Hippowdown, Dragonite, Garchomp, Landorus, etc.
Not to mention the occasional Hidden Power Fire takes care of common OU Steels 4x weak to it.
All without the need to drop your Special Attack after unleashing a DM or even locking yourself in an Outrage if you're running a mixed DD or maybe even a wallbreaking set.

Mega Latios is quite usable, imo. Whenever it releases that is.

 

[Red Cat]

I just noticed that poor Latias doesn't even have her own thread which seems like blatant gender discrimination. Someone should make one so we can discuss her Mega Evolution which is obviously going to be better than Mega Latios.

 

[FLYINGDAVEno2]

Really liking the Defence buffs that Mega Latias gets, might replace Mega Scizor as my DeFogger, but I think I'll be sticking to Life Orb Latios.
Also a bit off topic but how are people getting these? As far as I know only that Smea guy who confirmed these Mega's existence a few months ago was the only guy who hacked X and Y, has someone else found how to hack it or has he traded the stones to someone and they cloned them?

 

[Vert]

I just noticed that poor Latias doesn't even have her own thread which seems like blatant gender discrimination. Someone should make one so we can discuss her Mega Evolution which is obviously going to be better than Mega Latios.

You can discuss Mega Latias and Latias in this thread too. Ima update the OP in maybe a couple of days. This thread will be for both eon twins.

Also M Latios has its advantages overs M Latias but I'll clarify that later when this is updated.

Also, stats are not 100% accurate and Gamefreak might make these Mega stones give them a different ability / typing (remember this is a hacker) or come in an event that give them a new move like Psystrike for example, so do not judge these until their official release.

Theire have been many cases where a hacked PKMN stats and other ability / typing we're incorrect after Gamefreak release or when we guesses stats wrong by a huge margin on things like m Abomasnow where we thought at had dual 150 Offenses

 

[Agent Gibbs]

Theire have been many cases where a hacked PKMN stats and other ability / typing we're incorrect after Gamefreak release or when we guesses stats wrong by a huge margin on things like m Abomasnow where we thought at had dual 150 Offenses

Well, that estimation was a very early guess, made before we knew the mechanics of Mega form stat changes and without any knowledge of the Pokemon's EVs and IVs. Once we started getting pictures of the Pokemon's original stats compared to those of its Mega form, we were able to get much better estimations that ended up being either perfectly identical to the actual numbers or just a few points off. In this case, since we know the EVs, IVs, and nature, we are able to make very solid guesses. I wouldn't be surprised if these estimations are perfect, assuming the hacked Pokemon's stats aren't wonky.

 

[Rechi]

The guy in this video says that his Latias and Latios are all Timid 252 SpA/252 Speed with 31 IVs in everything except Attack. The stats we have for the megas are pretty much exact.

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

Not to mention that mega latios may be introduced later this year, if the rumors are correct.

Mega latios will get adaptability, while latias will get Multiscale.

But hey, the rumors could be wrong.

 

[Aragorn the King]

Not to mention that mega latios may be introduced later this year, if the rumors are correct.

Mega latios will get adaptability, while latias will get Multiscale.

But hey, the rumors could be wrong.

The rumors have pretty much been proven to be wrong. They both have levitate.

To me, it's a plus, as they definitely won't be banned.

 

[Monte Cristo]

122 Atk, 100 Def, 160 Spa, 120 SpD and same 110 Spe is what I'm getting for Latios. The Speed is quite disappointing tbh, though the increased Atk could make it a better mixed attacker.

Along with this data My associates and I over at my local server on showdown used a fakemon I implemented into the showdown local custom client to calculate mega latias stats:
using

we have gathered the following data:
haunter's guess is about right for latios
so far 80/93-94/122/140/150/110 are the stats we've gathered for mega latias with timid 4/252/252 timid mega latias

My quick analysis: I know many people say how useless it is considering soul dew exists but we have to remember 2 things 1) Soul Dew isn't released and won't be for a while in XY as far as I can tell and 2) Soul dew is quick banned in OU in most gens

Considering these 2 facts I can see the megas somewhat working, the megas' lack of speed tier increase is a bit disappointing but we have to rmemeber the lati twins already are prime speedy threats in OU, and their speed tier mainly doesn't need work done on it, I'm glad they used it on actual stats that needed it like bulk. Speaking of bulk, I think that was the biggest change, we have to remember that this bulk gives the latis incredible pivoting abilities with mega latias definatly having the upper hand in pivoting still. However like shiruba said, this also gives gives amazing tanking abilities letting them stay in on harmful attacks such as knock off (which stays at 65 BP due to mega stone!)

Speaking of knock off, comparing it to soul dew, I think aside from the physical attack and bulk this is the hugest difference- on mega latis they can't be knocked off and knock off caps at 65 BP as opposed to soul dew which gets knocked off and hits at a big 98 BP (round up)

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

The rumors have pretty much been proven to be wrong. They both have levitate.

To me, it's a plus, as they definitely won't be banned.

Fuck, adaptabiltiy latios would've been wrecking shit

 

[MrCookiepants]

The rumors have pretty much been proven to be wrong. They both have levitate.

To me, it's a plus, as they definitely won't be banned.

M Latias is certainly getting banned. Again, its bulk is surpassed only by Lugia and Giratina, the two best walls in Ubers + it's faster than Giratina and hits much harder than both of them. It's too good for OU.