The penalty for the item is potentially that it is usable by only water types. So there is a downside to the item if they wanted to make it 1 stage each.Swimming goggles is definitely not boosting acc and speed by one stage each. That's a choice scarf without penalty and acc added to boot.
Not to mention the ever-useful Recover. I haven't tried it, but a set of Rest/Sleep Talk/(Water filler such as Surf or in Gen V, Boiling Water)/Recover. You wouldn't be sweeping, but for whatever use it has, it's probably a bitch to take down.Let's please shift away from Swimming Goggles discussion until it has been confirmed... Anyway, I think Milotic will keep its niche as the best non-stat boosting sleep talker, and is still viable as a bulky water in higher play--perhaps a sweeping set is in order in this HO generation.
It's a shame Milotic and Vaporeon don't have access to Calm Mind this gen. With Marvel Scale, Milotic would arguably be an even better Offensive Booster than Suicune. Sadly, this is not the case. :(Let's please shift away from Swimming Goggles discussion until it has been confirmed... Anyway, I think Milotic will keep its niche as the best non-stat boosting sleep talker, and is still viable as a bulky water in higher play--perhaps a sweeping set is in order in this HO generation.
Calm Mind would make them broken, IMO. Anyway, if Milotic can be transferred with Whirlpool, then it has an effective Toxic-Trap set with Whirlpool turns set at 5-6. Also, Magic Coat from Platinum is a solid support move now... Milotic might have lead potential with it.It's a shame Milotic and Vaporeon don't have access to Calm Mind this gen. With Marvel Scale, Milotic would arguably be an even better Offensive Booster than Suicune. Sadly, this is not the case. :(
Not to say Milotic isn't viable offensively...but I would continue to use it as a specially defensive tank. Milotic really wants to take hits from some of the new special sweepers.
That's not necessarily true. Getting good defense allows you to block a wider range of attacks (and in my opinion is the better EV spread, I use the same EVs as you) but it's not impossible to use Milotic like Blissey and only bring her in to wall special attacks.Cipher, I think you need to remove one of the EV spreads in the OP: 252 HP/252 SpD/4 Spe. Without any Physical Defense Investment, Milotic just can't switch into anything physical. In theory, Marvel Scale makes up for this, but without any investment, you can't survive things like +2 Close Combat from LO Lucario when Marvel Scale is activated, which is very unappealing.
I said this before, but 252 HP/240 Def/16 SpD Calm is the best EV spread on Milotic in every single possible scenario on a defensive oriented Milotic. I know this because I have been testing Milotic for months now, and I have probably used every viable set. With that spread, it's just...the best mixed wall in OU. Seriously.
The lose in power seems pretty minor (80 vs 95)... Can you think of any valuable kills she loses due to the swap that make up for the lack of 30% Burn?Also, why isn't Surf slashed? Milotic wants some power, and Boiling Water is vastly overrated, since very few physical threats want to switch directly into her.
There appears to be no such thing as Swimming Goggles my friend.Milotic didn't get much, but Swimming Goggles and Boiling Water is all it needed anyway. Still, a bit too similiar to Suicune and Vaporeon.
We will obviously need to do some testing in BW--the sets I posted were just outlines really!Cipher, I think you need to remove one of the EV spreads in the OP: 252 HP/252 SpD/4 Spe. Without any Physical Defense Investment, Milotic just can't switch into anything physical. In theory, Marvel Scale makes up for this, but without any investment, you can't survive things like +2 Close Combat from LO Lucario when Marvel Scale is activated, which is very unappealing.
I said this before, but 252 HP/240 Def/16 SpD Calm is the best EV spread on Milotic in every single possible scenario on a defensive oriented Milotic. I know this because I have been testing Milotic for months now, and I have probably used every viable set. With that spread, it's just...the best mixed wall in OU. Seriously.
Also, why isn't Surf slashed? Milotic wants some power, and Boiling Water is vastly overrated, since very few physical threats want to switch directly into her.
I don't think anyone was saying she was so bad that she would get be in a lower spot than where she is now. I'm not happy with her stuck in UU and would have liked for her to have a strong showing in OU. But talking about tiers right now is absurd anyway.How is boiling water and dragon tail nothing? Milotic just got a better haze and an ability to burn things to make up for its semi low defence. Yes almost everything else got it, but milotic as always has hypnosis recover and marvel scale right there to show the other bulky waters. I guess it has haze, but the only reason to run that is to remove the boosts first. Its probably not moving up a tier, but it is not leaving uu.
First of all, Dragon Tail is not a "better" Haze because it does not phaze through Substitutes. Nasty Plot Mismagius (w/out Thunderbolt) is a common Pokemon Milotic likes to Haze, but if it uses Dragon Tail instead Mismagius can set up a Substitute (or have one already up) and it doesn't need to worry.How is boiling water and dragon tail nothing? Milotic just got a better haze and an ability to burn things to make up for its semi low defence. Yes almost everything else got it, but milotic as always has hypnosis recover and marvel scale right there to show the other bulky waters. I guess it has haze, but the only reason to run that is to remove the boosts first. Its probably not moving up a tier, but it is not leaving uu.
Haze for UU. Dragon Tail for OU. :)First of all, Dragon Tail is not a "better" Haze because it does not phaze through Substitutes. Nasty Plot Mismagius (w/out Thunderbolt) is a common Pokemon Milotic likes to Haze, but if it uses Dragon Tail instead Mismagius can set up a Substitute (or have one already up) and it doesn't need to worry.
Swimming goggles don't exist.What will milotic do about butterfly dancers though? That move is just pure scary and milotic can't do dit to most of the users. If anything butterfly dance is a slap to the face for milotic. Luckily, if swim goggles increase acurracy enough, we might see rain dance sets. (bulky sweeping, and an accurate hypnosis/hydro pump is just scary). I wouldn't be surprised if that got milotic an out (bl status). Of course swim goggles will have to be a great item for that to apply, but at first glance it is scary