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Another mystery in that area that needs to be answered:
Here is a map of Valor Lakefront. The most southernly building is the hotel;

If you look, the hotel seems to have a second floor with a balcony...

I cannot post it here because the formats won't let me but the hotel doesn't have a set of stairs leading up to that next floor! Why was GF so lazy with the seven stars restaurant and hotel?
I've actually seen buildings that look like they should have a second floor due to window placement, but don't and instead have really high ceilings.

In all honesty, though, I think you're overthinking these things a bit.
 

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In Pokemon D/P/Pl, where is the kitchen gone in the Seven Stars restaurant?
Another mystery in that area that needs to be answered:
Here is a map of Valor Lakefront. The most southernly building is the hotel;

If you look, the hotel seems to have a second floor with a balcony...

I cannot post it here because the formats won't let me but the hotel doesn't have a set of stairs leading up to that next floor! Why was GF so lazy with the seven stars restaurant and hotel?
Actually there is a kitchen in the restaurant and stairs in the hotel, its through a door on the right wall (not that you can see it from this camera angle). However in the restaurant those reporters are standing right in front of the kitchen blocking you from entering and the hotel's stairs are employees only so is locked.
 
Been wondering about the Antagonist Teams lately. While Team Magma, Aqua, and Galactic are easy to understand, where did the names Team Rocket, Team Plasma, and Team Flare come from? And if extend this into the Ranger series and Colosseum/XD...

Team Plasma: first looking at it as a ALF stand-in, plasma doesn't make that much sense. My guess is that it's a reference to the two main dragons of Unova, Reshiram the fire dragon and Zekrom the thunder dragon. Super heated gas is plasma, which is also what lightning is made of, so I guess it's a really obscure nod to them?

Team Flare: At first I'd think it's supposed to mean that they are stylish and trendy (...well, in their own eyes maybe) but that's flair with an "I". The red color is probably related to signal flares, but that's all I can draw from them. Flare does mean to burn with a sudden intensity, but that sounds like the opposite of their motivations (they either want to live forever or be the only ones left living, neither of which sound like YOLO). I don't see much connection to the legendaries or their goals, so other than maybe a pun I've got nothing for these guys.

Team Rocket: While the anime and to a lesser extent HG/SS has tried to justify it, Team Rocket just really sounds like an arbitrary pick for a team name. Don't get me wrong, I love all the fun we've had with it in the Rocket motto and "blasting off again!" but it just makes no sense. It's a little tacky to call it formless and arbitrary when it's the team from the first two games (back when the series was still finding itself), but I have no clue what field this came out of.

Any thoughts? And what about Team Cypher or the Ranger Series (haven't played them so I don't know much about them)?
 
Been wondering about the Antagonist Teams lately. While Team Magma, Aqua, and Galactic are easy to understand, where did the names Team Rocket, Team Plasma, and Team Flare come from? And if extend this into the Ranger series and Colosseum/XD...

Team Plasma: first looking at it as a ALF stand-in, plasma doesn't make that much sense. My guess is that it's a reference to the two main dragons of Unova, Reshiram the fire dragon and Zekrom the thunder dragon. Super heated gas is plasma, which is also what lightning is made of, so I guess it's a really obscure nod to them?

Team Flare: At first I'd think it's supposed to mean that they are stylish and trendy (...well, in their own eyes maybe) but that's flair with an "I". The red color is probably related to signal flares, but that's all I can draw from them. Flare does mean to burn with a sudden intensity, but that sounds like the opposite of their motivations (they either want to live forever or be the only ones left living, neither of which sound like YOLO). I don't see much connection to the legendaries or their goals, so other than maybe a pun I've got nothing for these guys.

Team Rocket: While the anime and to a lesser extent HG/SS has tried to justify it, Team Rocket just really sounds like an arbitrary pick for a team name. Don't get me wrong, I love all the fun we've had with it in the Rocket motto and "blasting off again!" but it just makes no sense. It's a little tacky to call it formless and arbitrary when it's the team from the first two games (back when the series was still finding itself), but I have no clue what field this came out of.

Any thoughts? And what about Team Cypher or the Ranger Series (haven't played them so I don't know much about them)?
The Japanese names are all [name]-dan, which in addition to meaning "Team [name]" can also mean "[name] bullet", so it's possible they're just funny to the creators. Especially Rocket.
Plasma I'm pretty sure is a reference to the Fire and Electric typings of Reshiram and Zekrom (Fire and Lightning are both plasmas).
Flare...it might be a pun on flair combined with a fairly sizeable number of Fire-types used in teams, including Lysandre's Pyroar (which does look like him and is a symbol of royality, which he is descended from) and Malva (who is the Fire specialist for the Kalos Elite Four). Flare's scientists are also references to solar flares (and does sync up with the background of Lysandre's battle at the end).
 

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Could've sworn I posted this back when RBY were released on the 3DS VC, but I guess not. Anyway, here's some food for thought.

We all consider Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung as Kanto-native species and part of the original 151 Pokemon. However, is that an accurate assumption? Those who've played Red/Blue know these four share something in common: they're not available in the wild in Kanto; there is only 1 of said species available in the game, and you have to trade for them with NPCs. Fast-forward to Gen II, and we see habitats in Johto containing Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung. This strongly suggests that these Pokemon are, in fact, Johto-native species, and that their OTs caught or imported them over from Johto, yet they still have data as known Kanto species in the first generation Pokedex.

Naturally, there are a few holes in this theory. First one involves Mr. Mime, which isn't available in the wild in Johto either, but became available in the wild in Kanto when Gen II rolled around. Also if you include Yellow into the equation (I don't really consider it a sister game as much as a game that was meant to pay homage to the anime), Lickitung and Farfetch'd have habitats in Kanto in that game, but still not Jynx.

There aren't any other cases like this in the newer games; it's just these one-off R/B trades. Was it simply a gimmick to promote trading with the NPCs (and the species were just made available in the wild later in Yellow & Gen II)? Or was it intentional foreshadowing to Gen II, since it's common knowledge that Game Freak was well underway in development for Gen II around the time that RGBY were released? The world may never know.
 
Could've sworn I posted this back when RBY were released on the 3DS VC, but I guess not. Anyway, here's some food for thought.

We all consider Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung as Kanto-native species and part of the original 151 Pokemon. However, is that an accurate assumption? Those who've played Red/Blue know these four share something in common: they're not available in the wild in Kanto; there is only 1 of said species available in the game, and you have to trade for them with NPCs. Fast-forward to Gen II, and we see habitats in Johto containing Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung. This strongly suggests that these Pokemon are, in fact, Johto-native species, and that their OTs caught or imported them over from Johto, yet they still have data as known Kanto species in the first generation Pokedex.

Naturally, there are a few holes in this theory. First one involves Mr. Mime, which isn't available in the wild in Johto either, but became available in the wild in Kanto when Gen II rolled around. Also if you include Yellow into the equation (I don't really consider it a sister game as much as a game that was meant to pay homage to the anime), Lickitung and Farfetch'd have habitats in Kanto in that game, but still not Jynx.

There aren't any other cases like this in the newer games; it's just these one-off R/B trades. Was it simply a gimmick to promote trading with the NPCs (and the species were just made available in the wild later in Yellow & Gen II)? Or was it intentional foreshadowing to Gen II, since it's common knowledge that Game Freak was well underway in development for Gen II around the time that RGBY were released? The world may never know.
A possible Watsonian explanation for Mr. Mime is that the species isn't Johto-native or Kanto-native, but is instead from Sinnoh or Kalos, as those are the only two known regions where Mime Jr., Mr. Mime's pre-evolved form, are found in the wild (although there are also Mr. Mime swarms found in Unova in White 2). In fact, my money's on Sinnoh, as the Pokewalker route Sinnoh Fields has catchable Mime Jr. there as well.

But what about the wild Mr. Mime found in Gen II Kanto? Perhaps some Mr. Mime were released into the wild after the events of R/B/Y, leading to the eventual development of a new population by the time Gen II rolled around. But then if Mr. Mime is actually from Sinnoh, why is it listed in the Kanto Pokedex? In fact, why are any of these four Pokemon in question listed there?

This leads me to a wildly new theory that contradicts my original one explained only two paragraphs ago, but I think it may be the more interesting one. All four species (Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung) formerly had indigenous populations in Kanto. Migrations and trade led to the development of other populations in Johto, Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos. However, for various reasons, the Kanto populations were either driven out or driven extinct sometime before Gen I (I would guess long before given that by Gen I the world at large has the "Pokemon are our friends" attitude). This is supported by the example of Farfetch'd, who were hunted to near extinction to be made into fancy meals. The Pokemon are still listed in the Kanto regional Dex because, despite having gone extinct locally, they were originally from that region.

Meanwhile, as the Kanto populations declined and disappeared, the other regional populations remained, enabling the trainers in R/B/Y to trade you the Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Jynx, or Lickitung that they caught from another region's local population.

Eventually, re-introduction programs were started. Some Mr. Mime from Kalos, Unova, and Sinnoh volunteered for the project and were brought over to Kanto after the events of R/B/Y, and by Gen II a sizeable population has developed. Presumably, the same project will eventually be carried out for Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung until they become less rare.

tl;dr: The odd population distributions are the result of re-introduction programs following post-extinction of regional populations.
 
Could've sworn I posted this back when RBY were released on the 3DS VC, but I guess not. Anyway, here's some food for thought.

We all consider Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung as Kanto-native species and part of the original 151 Pokemon. However, is that an accurate assumption? Those who've played Red/Blue know these four share something in common: they're not available in the wild in Kanto; there is only 1 of said species available in the game, and you have to trade for them with NPCs. Fast-forward to Gen II, and we see habitats in Johto containing Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung. This strongly suggests that these Pokemon are, in fact, Johto-native species, and that their OTs caught or imported them over from Johto, yet they still have data as known Kanto species in the first generation Pokedex.

Naturally, there are a few holes in this theory. First one involves Mr. Mime, which isn't available in the wild in Johto either, but became available in the wild in Kanto when Gen II rolled around. Also if you include Yellow into the equation (I don't really consider it a sister game as much as a game that was meant to pay homage to the anime), Lickitung and Farfetch'd have habitats in Kanto in that game, but still not Jynx.

There aren't any other cases like this in the newer games; it's just these one-off R/B trades. Was it simply a gimmick to promote trading with the NPCs (and the species were just made available in the wild later in Yellow & Gen II)? Or was it intentional foreshadowing to Gen II, since it's common knowledge that Game Freak was well underway in development for Gen II around the time that RGBY were released? The world may never know.
There's a reverse case with some Johto 'mons, too (#152-251, but only found in Kanto). The only one I can name off the top of my head is Houndour.
 
Could've sworn I posted this back when RBY were released on the 3DS VC, but I guess not. Anyway, here's some food for thought.

We all consider Mr. Mime, Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung as Kanto-native species and part of the original 151 Pokemon. However, is that an accurate assumption? Those who've played Red/Blue know these four share something in common: they're not available in the wild in Kanto; there is only 1 of said species available in the game, and you have to trade for them with NPCs. Fast-forward to Gen II, and we see habitats in Johto containing Farfetch'd, Jynx, and Lickitung. This strongly suggests that these Pokemon are, in fact, Johto-native species, and that their OTs caught or imported them over from Johto, yet they still have data as known Kanto species in the first generation Pokedex.

Naturally, there are a few holes in this theory. First one involves Mr. Mime, which isn't available in the wild in Johto either, but became available in the wild in Kanto when Gen II rolled around. Also if you include Yellow into the equation (I don't really consider it a sister game as much as a game that was meant to pay homage to the anime), Lickitung and Farfetch'd have habitats in Kanto in that game, but still not Jynx.

There aren't any other cases like this in the newer games; it's just these one-off R/B trades. Was it simply a gimmick to promote trading with the NPCs (and the species were just made available in the wild later in Yellow & Gen II)? Or was it intentional foreshadowing to Gen II, since it's common knowledge that Game Freak was well underway in development for Gen II around the time that RGBY were released? The world may never know.
You are looking at this too much form a US/International only look, forgetting that it is actually R/G/B/Y. Blue in Japan had Jynx wild in Seafom. Far'fetched is in the wild in Yellow as you said but is mentioned to taste good and heavily implied that is was almost eaten to the brink (same with Lapras). This explains why you can only get it in trade. Lickitung is in the Blue Safari Zone. This leaves Mr. Mime as the only one without an in game wild location between all four games. However, that can easily be explained by the push to make trading a big part of the games and as a way to show you that there are pokemon you can only get by trading. Also do not forget that you only explore routes in a region and would it really be that hard to believe that there are other pokemon off those routes you travel?
 

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Been wondering about the Antagonist Teams lately. While Team Magma, Aqua, and Galactic are easy to understand, where did the names Team Rocket, Team Plasma, and Team Flare come from? And if extend this into the Ranger series and Colosseum/XD...

Team Plasma: first looking at it as a ALF stand-in, plasma doesn't make that much sense. My guess is that it's a reference to the two main dragons of Unova, Reshiram the fire dragon and Zekrom the thunder dragon. Super heated gas is plasma, which is also what lightning is made of, so I guess it's a really obscure nod to them?

Team Flare: At first I'd think it's supposed to mean that they are stylish and trendy (...well, in their own eyes maybe) but that's flair with an "I". The red color is probably related to signal flares, but that's all I can draw from them. Flare does mean to burn with a sudden intensity, but that sounds like the opposite of their motivations (they either want to live forever or be the only ones left living, neither of which sound like YOLO). I don't see much connection to the legendaries or their goals, so other than maybe a pun I've got nothing for these guys.

Team Rocket: While the anime and to a lesser extent HG/SS has tried to justify it, Team Rocket just really sounds like an arbitrary pick for a team name. Don't get me wrong, I love all the fun we've had with it in the Rocket motto and "blasting off again!" but it just makes no sense. It's a little tacky to call it formless and arbitrary when it's the team from the first two games (back when the series was still finding itself), but I have no clue what field this came out of.

Any thoughts? And what about Team Cypher or the Ranger Series (haven't played them so I don't know much about them)?
What you said for Plasma and Flare is pretty much it.

Plasma: Plasma is a form of matter which can be made by super heating gas (fire) or subjecting gas to a strong magnetic field (electric). In addition what this does to the molecules in the gas is break their bonds, which you could relate to Team Plasma wanting to separate people and Pokemon.

Flare: Refers to them having a stylish flair and them having a hot/fire theme (reddish-orange suit & Lysandre's signature Pokemon is Pyroar). Could also maybe refer to the firing of the Ultimate Weapon, it fires a light of destruction into the sky not unlike how a flare is set off.

As for the other villain teams:

Rocket: I think Vader_the_White got the best answer here. Outside that I would just say maybe it sounded cool?

Snagem: Snag 'em. Snag them. Team Snagem uses the Snag Machine to steal other trainers Pokemon.

Cipher: Cipher is a secret/disguised way to write a message or code. Cipher is an organization who tries to keep themselves secret (thus why they have Snagem stealing Pokemon for them).

Go-Rock Squad: The grunts are dressed like go go dancers (their Japanese name is GoGo-dan) and their boss & admins have a music theme: their boss's capture styler is an electronic pipe organ and the admins are in a band with their capture stylers inside their instruments.

Team Dim Sun: Their boss was corrupted by darkness of a Shadow Crystal and also summons a Darkrai to take everything into darkness.

Phobos Battalion: Never played Trozei so couldn't tell you. In Greek mythology Phobos is the god of fear. Also Phobos is the name of one of Mars' moons.

Team Pinchers: They steal Pokemon and a synonym for stealing is "pinching".
 
Here's something that I've been thinking way too much about. Why does every pokemon hatch from an egg?

Obviously, it makes sense for certain pokemon, like Pidgey. But why do mammalian pokemon like Growlithe hatch from eggs? Hell, why do humanoid pokemon such as Ralts hatch from eggs? Humans give live birth too.

I know that they're all fantasy creatures and could have different biology, but still. Can you really imagine an Arcanine laying an egg?

Did Game Freak just think that eggs were more child friendly? Did they think it was just easier?

On a more hilarious (or disturbing, depending on who you are) note, what if even the humans in the pokemon world hatched from eggs? Think about it. Little Ash Ketchum, hatching from an egg.
 
Yes.

If you want an in-game explanation, if we go by biological classification then Pokemon altogether would probably be considered their own Class, separate from humans, plantlife, fungi, and bacteria.
Fair enough. Though I do just like to pretend that if Pokemon existed in real life, they probably would more likely reproduce in ways similar to the species they're based on. Pokemon would also probably be considered their own kingdom, rather than class, if we really want to consider them completely separate from animals and fungi and such.
 

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Pokemon would also probably be considered their own kingdom, rather than class, if we really want to consider them completely separate from animals and fungi and such.
I was debating that but then thought both humans and Pokemon would probably be considered eukaryota. However now better understanding what a Phylum is I think Pokemon being that makes sense since that's when they really start breaking things down. Humans are part of the Animalia Phylum but in the Pokemon World that would be where humans and Pokemon would split.
 
I haven't played the Gen VI games, but I remember seeing somewhere that, in one of those games, it's "explained" that the eggs are more like cradles than actual eggs.

Which makes it weirdier, if you ask me.
 
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So, does that mean Pokémon Eggs appear by figurative magic, making the six (or seven) generations of this franchise more of a fantasy than a sci-fi?

Also, does anyone think the Pokémon world is actually a utopia or just looks like one? Recently, I thought it acted more a crapsaccharine world that seems beautiful on the surface, but is filled with all sorts of abuse towards the native animals. It's definitely not a true sugar bowl, that's for sure.
 

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So, does that mean Pokémon Eggs appear by figurative magic, making the six (or seven) generations of this franchise more of a fantasy than a sci-fi?

Also, does anyone think the Pokémon world is actually a utopia or just looks like one? Recently, I thought it acted more a crapsaccharine world that seems beautiful on the surface, but is filled with all sorts of abuse towards the native animals. It's definitely not a true sugar bowl, that's for sure.
Pokemon is not really one of the typical genres. It had sci-fi elements and it had fantasy elements, sometimes leaning on one more than another. Pokemon though I think more fits the catchall "Action-Adventure" genre, and if you want to go even more specific its the poster child for the "monster controlling" genre.

And I don't think the Pokemon world is really a utopia/crapsaccharine world but rather a world who's problems have been more shifted toward living with Pokemon. In the Pokemon World they need trainers to help deal with Pokemon issues and better understand these mystical creatures. Addressing a popular joke about the franchise, children seem to be able to do this the easiest so society had molded itself to allow kids to go on a Pokemon journey. Cities and towns are relatively close to one another, there's plenty of other trainers around, and we've seen police and Pokemon Rangers on patrols. Also, as sort of explored in Gen V, Pokemon don't mind being used by trainers as Pokemon owned by trainers are vastly stronger than their wild counterparts, and that's seem to be one of the main things a Pokemon values. And bonding with the other sentient creature on the planet and working with them further assures survival as people wouldn't want to get rid of such a valuable ally. Now of course we still have thieves, gangs, and the occasionally villain group trying to take over the world, but it also seems like there's an unseeable world order which at least addresses the villain group issue by having a good hearted trainer (aka us, the player) go on their journey and become strong enough to take down the threat. It's not a utopia but its far from a crapsaccharine world, it's just a world like ours but follows some different rules and philosophies.
 
I don't think its the egg laying part they're worried about.
Well many kids cartoons show chickens laying eggs (well a chicken standing up with an egg under it). They never have to say how or even that the egg was fertilized. I don't see why they should worry about it since they even mention egg laying (even if it is to say that nobody has ever seen it happen).
 
Given that DexNav Pelippers are shown to be carrying lucky eggs, it's possible that Pokemon really does just run on delivery storks. The Mario world explicitly runs on them, and nobody has ever found where the eggs come from.

The only pokemon ever created on-screen is when Arceus willed a Giratina, Dialga, or Palkia into being in the HG/SS event, so we really don't have any evidence that pokemon even reproduce other than sketchy pokedex info.
 
Not sure where to put this, but what are you guys's thoughts on abnormal Pokemon evolution? Like under leveled Pokemon and stones, etc. I have a few.

The games have had many instances of under leveled evolved Pokemon, especially by bosses. My theory is that the level we know for Pokemon evolution represents the amount of training / time the player requires to achieve it given that we are relative newbies. This way, it makes sense that a dragon master like Lance would be able to trigger evolution of his dragons sooner, or that certain wild Pokemon might evolve earlier for unknown reasons.

I would also wager that Pokemon that evolve with stones are able to evolve naturally without them, but because of their sensitivity to stones their evolution is both triggered (instant evo) and stunted (they don't really learn any new moves). Eevee is the exception as its genetic code is unstable to begin with.
 
Not sure where to put this, but what are you guys's thoughts on abnormal Pokemon evolution? Like under leveled Pokemon and stones, etc. I have a few.

The games have had many instances of under leveled evolved Pokemon, especially by bosses. My theory is that the level we know for Pokemon evolution represents the amount of training / time the player requires to achieve it given that we are relative newbies. This way, it makes sense that a dragon master like Lance would be able to trigger evolution of his dragons sooner, or that certain wild Pokemon might evolve earlier for unknown reasons.

I would also wager that Pokemon that evolve with stones are able to evolve naturally without them, but because of their sensitivity to stones their evolution is both triggered (instant evo) and stunted (they don't really learn any new moves). Eevee is the exception as its genetic code is unstable to begin with.
I think you hit the nail on the head with your explanation. Seems the most reasonable explanation. Also explains why the opposite occurs (bad trainers have high leveled unevolved Pokemon. Lance tho... I think he just uses those team rocket evolution radio waves. He also manipulates you into stopping them so that secretly, he can have it all to himself. Dirty cheater. Jkjk, I am interested in what other legitimate theories there are on this though.
 

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