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NU CCAT Step 4: Playtesting

Discussion in 'BW NU' started by waterwarrior, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. waterwarrior

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    The team so far:

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    Slowking (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
    - Trick Room
    - Nasty Plot
    - Surf
    - Psychic

    Cacturne (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Spikes
    - Seed Bomb
    - Sucker Punch
    - Substitute

    Swellow (M) @ Flame Orb
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Facade
    - Quick Attack/ U-Turn
    - Protect


    Armaldo (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Battle Armor
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Rapid Spin
    - Stone Edge
    - X-Scissor
    - Earthquake


    Camerupt (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Solid Rock
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earth Power
    - Lava Plume
    - Roar

    Hey guys! Seeing as every other tier currently has a CCAT going on, I think its NU's team to enter the spotlight! For those that do not know, a CCAT is where many players come together to make one team to ladder with.

    Please remember to stay on topic!! I do not want to hear your ideas about a potential playstyle before we vote on who our forgotten wonder will be.

    Like the other CCATs, we shall follow this process (shamelessly ripped from the other CCAT threads with minor alterations):



    Well, after going through all of that... BEGIN!
  2. Xephyr

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    Oh god, this thread is gonna get flooded with imbecilic sets.

    I say we try offensive Kangaskhan.

    Kangaskhan (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Scrappy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Fake Out
    - Sucker Punch
    - Drain Punch
    - Frustration

    It really is just an utter tank that hits really hard on the weaker defensive Pokemon that fill up this metagame.
  3. Omicron

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    I hate these threads but ok:

    Cinccino (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Return / Tail Slap
    - Wake-Up Slap
    - Bullet Seed
    - Rock Blast

    Best fucking set ever. Technician rapes, especially with Bullet Seed AND Rock Blast. Wake-Up Slap rapes Steel-types for the most part, etc. Base 115 Speed is amazing too :)
  4. Xephyr

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    Why return and not tail slap?
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    Tail Slap has a fucking 85% accuracy that I hate but w/e i'll slash it
  6. Xephyr

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    Understandable. It's one of those power over reliability things I suppose.
  7. Tyranitarphantom

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    Throwing out the idea of Rock Polish Torterra

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    Torterra (M) @ Leftovers / Life Orb
    Trait: Overgrow
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spd OR 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Rock Polish
    - Earthquake
    - Wood Hammer
    - Stone Edge

    Outspeeds most standards after a single Rock Polish and hits really hard. One of my favorite NU Pokemon.
  8. Spork

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    this guy is so anti meta

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    Absol @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    -Sucker Punch
    -Swords Dance
    -Superpower
    -Night Slash / Taunt

    You don't event need a Swords Dance to destroy with this guy, he' so powerful it's not even funny. Sucker Punch destroys everything not resistant and Superpower kills everything else. Night Slash is superior IMO but Taunt can support Sucker Punch antics in some situations. Switch in on Slowbro or something and wreak havoc.
  9. Lady Shinki

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    Classic but deserves a mention anyway:

    Ursaring @ Toxic Orb
    252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
    Jolly / Quick Feet

    Swords Dance
    Facade
    Close Combat
    Crunch

    Best sweeper by far. beats 105s, but needs team support to beat faster threats.

    Also, if we wanted to build a defensive team, we could build it around defensive curse miltank:

    Miltank @ Leftovers
    252 HP/252 SpDef/4 Def
    Careful / Scrappy

    Curse
    Heal Bell
    Milk Drink
    Body Slam

    This one only needs team support to remove boosted special threats like Specs Exeggutor before beginning to set up, since it has excellent bulk.
  10. BTzz

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    ^speaking of specs exeggutor I think it would be a great poke to build around. The thing rips in NU, but the low speed and it being kind of frail means it does require paralisys, hazard or even screen support.

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    Exeggutor @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
    Nature: Modest / Timid
    - Leaf Storm
    - Psyshock
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Sleep Powder

    I also love the Torterra suggestion
  11. Limi

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    I love the following set:

    Altaria @ Leftovers/Leppa Berry/Life Orb
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: depends
    Nature: depends
    Draco Meteor
    Power Swap
    Roost/Cotton Guard/Fire Blast/Dragon Tail/...
    Roost/Cotton Guard/Fire Blast/Dragon Tail/...

    Yes, DracoSwap Altaria. This looks really gimmicky, but it's really effective actually (and fuuun). As you can see, it's a very loose set and not fine-tuned to any role. You can go offensive and spam DM without worrying too much, you can swap your -2 on a special attacker to wall'n'troll them, you can snatch a SpA boost from the opponent (letting a Volbeat get to +6 and then swapping a -2 on the recipient is so satisfying) and do much more.
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    lmao torterra was what i was going to mention when coming into this thread. it basically comes in for free on things like golem, standard rhydon (watch out for megahorn + ice punch though) and sets up easy. i really only like it end-game though because it doesn't hit hard enough to ohko the bulker mons that a lot of people have, like mesprit. ursaring is also an excellent pokemon; once swellow and scarfers are gone, that thing wreaks havoc on offensive teams and can even break down defensive teams too.

    i'd like to take a step back and propose the following set:

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    swellow @ toxic orb
    ability: guts
    evs: 252 atk / 4 def / 252 spe
    - facade
    - u-turn
    - brave bird
    - quick attack / protect

    swellow is by far one of the biggest threats in the metagame and is often the primary reason people run things like rhydon in the first place. i think coupled with a little bit of support (spikes are nice, things that scare off rhydon are nice, etc) swellow is probably the most devastating sweeper in nu.
  13. Xephyr

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    The thing with Swellow is that it's recognized as probably the best sweeper in the tier. The point of a CCAT is to center a tier around a forgotten threat or something, which Swellow is not.
  14. tennisace

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    Going to second Cinccino, that thing is a monster but it needs a decent amount of team support, which makes it a really good choice.

    Also, I'm going to throw this set into the mix:

    Absol@Leftovers
    Adamant Nature
    Ability: Super Luck
    4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Sucker Punch
    -Megahorn / Psycho Cut
    -Swords Dance
    -Substitute

    I used SubSD Absol on my first team that peaked at #15 and it is an absolute monster (no pun intended xD). It can set up on a ton of different mons in this tier since there are a lot of Psychic-types (Specs Eggy locked into Psychic/Psyshock anyone?). Once it has a Sub up, you're forced to attack it if you want to force it out, and then you can just Sucker Punch for a massive amount of damage, or SD if you think the opponent will try to stall out Sucker Punch. The filler move is the issue here, with Megahorn you lose to Weezing and Muk and sometimes Fighting-types, with Psycho Cut you lose out to bulky Psychic-types and Grass-types that want to try and set up and be cute (Mesprit sometimes, bulky Serperior sometimes). So yeah, it has the right balance of badassery and needing team support!
  15. Cherub Agent

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    Arbok @ Leftovers
    Adamant / Intimidate
    EVs: 168 HP / 98 Att / 252 Spe
    - Coil
    - Gunk Shot
    - Earthquake
    - Aqua Tail / Sucker Punch

    Absolute beast, quickly becomes powerful and bulky, not to mention it has quite nice speed. I'm not that great at EV spreads, but I'd love to see a team built around this. Last slot is pick your poison: AT deals with Rhydon, Sucker Punch deals with fast Psychics
  16. Furosuto

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    While I like the idea of Kangaskan, I personally believe we should put Zebstrika on the team.

    Zebstrika @ Life Orb
    Lonely / motor drive
    EVs: 252 attk / 252 speed/ 6 sp attk
    - Wild Charge
    - Double Kick
    - Overheat
    - Thunder Wave/Double Edge

    I know, I know, zebstrika looks like a sucky mon. But I've used this in higher tiers after trying it out, and it works quite nicely. Double Kick for steel, rock, and ice types, and overheat for grass, ice, and steel types. It's actually decent coverage. Have one mon be the electric bait, and get that motor drive boost. Already at base 116 speed allows it to outspeed the majority of the NU metagame with ease. Only problem with him is that zebstrika is a kamakaze unit. With LO and Wild Charge, it's gonna be losing health fast. But this set works very well though.

    So ya, I'm recommending Zebstrika.
  17. steelguttey

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    Though I don't think he is the best Pokemon to start a team, I'm also partially posting this because it would be a GREAT teammate to anyone of these Pokemon.

    Metang @ Eviolite
    Adamant / Clear Body
    EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 SDef
    - Hone Claws
    - Meteor Mash
    - Bullet Punch
    - Earthquake

    While it may hold true that Metang is better used as a Pokemon who covers another's weaknesses, he could be a FINE Pokemon to have a team based around as it checks a lot of the threats in the metagame like Tauros, pretty much any grass type, and Swellow while maintaining decent offensive foce.
  18. waterwarrior

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    Opinions of stuff posted thus far:
    -Kangaskhan: I see that working, but I've only seen like 2 Kangaskhans during my entire run in NU, so I'm not sold (unless you can put some calcs and stuff, hint hint).

    -Cinccino: Incredibly underrated poke in this meta, I can see results with him. Too bad he doesn't have Skill Link :/

    -RP Torterra: The turtle can rape under the right conditions, but I have two suggestions, one major one minor: Change the nature to Jolly and give it 212 Speed EV's so that it can outspeed Scarf base 85's (cough SAWK cough). I also think that Seed Bomb should be slashed over Wood Hammer, for a recoil-free but still strong attack.

    -SD + 3 attacks Absol/ SubSD Absol: Both very good sets, although its quite hard to chose which one I would sooner put a vote in for...
    However Spork, Absol should always run Super Luck. Crits are always good, and nothing is throwing around Dark type attacks besides other Absol and Dugtrio.

    -Ursaring: Without Protect, I find it will be very hard to set up, do you normally get it set up worry-free, or will it need lots of support (which is perfectly manageable if Ursaring is eventually chosen)?

    -CurseTank: CurseTank is a boss, 'nuff said.

    -Specs Exeggutor: I find that this works incredibly in Sun, but is somewhat lackluster outside of it. If chosen, we pretty much are instantly forced to make a Sun team, so I think it would be more or a supporter than the main poke.

    -Altaria: While very undefined right now in terms of well, everything, I can see that working as a major annoyer on any team, and I really want to see this guy in action.

    -Swellow: Swellow is great, but its really not a poke to base a team around, as while it does punch major holes in almost any team, it dies waay too quickly, especially with there being almost no Spinners in the tier. Again, more of a supporter.

    -Arbok: Good set, but I think you should invest a little in Sp. Def so you can take some hits from the other end of the spectrum.

    -Zebstrika: I never really liked Zebstrika to be completely honest. Of course its Speed is amazing, but it just doesn't seem to pack a punch (for example, Double Kick only does 40% to a non-Eviolite Rhydon with no investment in bulk. Kind of meh, but it can be used as a revenge killer.

    -Metang: I suggest changing the 4th slot to Hone Claws. After just one, Metang reaches 409 Attack, able to rip holes in many things, as well as making Meteor Mash more reliable. @below. if you want it in a support role, why not Dual Screens?

    You guys are awesome, keep coming with the sets!
  19. steelguttey

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    Added that, but I just want to point out the Metang could go a support role too.

    EDIT: You know, now that I think of it, I'll just make the set all about Hone Claws, since it really is good

    EDIT2: Yeah Dual Screens is in the Support, just a different name
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    Vileplume @ Life Orb Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest/Timid Nature

    - Sunny Day
    - SolarBeam
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Surprisingly powerful. Worked well in Gen 4 since most people expected the Cleric set with Armoatherapy and all that, I haven't played Gen 5 NU yet, but it does fine in UU.
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    Relicanth @ Life Orb
    Trait: Rock Head
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    -Head Smash
    -Waterfall
    -Earthquake
    -Rock Polish

    Oh how I LOVE Relicanth! 90 base attack is decent, but what really sets him off is his STAB 150 base recoil-free Head Smash. Sure, Head Smash has the same shaky accuracy as Stone Edge, but it's 50% stronger and just wrecks shit up.
  22. Spork

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    I don't really like the idea of providing team support for a poke that's going to fail 20% of the time anyway.
  23. steelguttey

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    What are specific Pokemon are you talking about?
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    Putting foward Altaria.

    I've used it myself, although not that many people have, judgeing the the useage stats, and, when used correctly [Aka: Killing Ice users] it can obliterate teams with Dragon/Ground coverage, paired with bulk, and Roost +DD.

    It's only real drawbacks are Ice-types are somewhat common, and Altaria kinda needs to get to +2 to get past bulkier pokemon.

    Not to mention there's quite a few sets Altaria can run, although the most effective are Dragon Dance, and Cotton Guard Shuffler.

    DD Altaria:

    Adamant Nature
    252 Atk/16 Def/240 Speed

    Persim Berry/Lum Berry/Life Orb

    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Dance
    - Roost

    Or:

    CottonTaria

    Careful Nature

    248 HP/4 Def/252 HP/4 Spd [If I recall, the speed was to outrun +0 Jolly Rhyhorn]

    Leftovers/ Lum Berry

    Cotton Guard
    Roar
    Roost
    Dragon Claw

    Hits 353 HP, 339 Sp.Def, and 217 Def. The Def skyrockets after a Cotton Guard, to the point where Altaria isn't even 2HKO'ed by Stone Edges from the likes of Rhyhorn. Basically, the only thing that'll be OHKO'ing Altaria is Ice Beams/Blizzards, or Critical Rock attacks.
  25. Zebraiken

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    I don't think you need to use Sunny Day with Eggy. It's an option, sure, but even though it's slow as hell it still hits so hard that it doesn't even matter. It just needs to be fast enough to threaten things and imo it works very well even without sun support. Exeggutor is a really good Pokemon in this meta, even without insane speed.

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