Data ORAS OU Speed Tiers

[Trinitrotoluene]

updated the speed tiers with most of the posted suggestions (bar the diancie speed creep numbers) and fixed the mega scizor recording error posted by Vengeance417. i'll add in a few relevant base diancie numbers later.

 

[Taiwan Province]

Please add these the corresponding speed tiers:

492 / Staraptor / 100 / +Spe / 252 / +1 (scarf)
328 / Staraptor / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0 (band/lo/etc)
299 / Staraptor / 100 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (per above)

229 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 0 (some people use this, especially sash ones)

289 / Zygarde / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (dd set)
240 / Zygarde / 95 / Neutral / 56 / 0 (subcoil)

165 / Seismitoad / 74 / Neutral / -Spe / 0 / 0 (this thing high usage rate as a nu mon in ou, #77, and it's not just in a rain team)

260 / Scolipede / 112 / Neutral / 0 / 0 (defensive bp, notably ironpass)
390 / Scolipede / 112 / Neutral / 0 / +1 (after one speed boost)

350 / Espeon / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0 (#68)
525 / Espeon / 110 / +Spe / 252 / +1 (scarf)
256 / Espeon / 110 / Neutral / 0 / 0 (physically defensive bp receiver + stored power)

306 / Lucario / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 0 (i am pretty sure this is more used than a neutral one)

306 / Venomoth / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 0 (sitting at bl because of quiverpass, although rarely seen)

255 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (#69)
382 / Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / +1 (after one dd, which is quite easy to get)

136 / Tangrowth / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 0 (#90, decent for a ru mon)

 

[Taiwan Province]

pretty sure 252+ speed espeon and scarf definitely isnt

well, it does no harm adding them, doesn't it
besides 252+ speed non-scarf/scarf espeon aren't more obscure than some of the mons in this list like +2 omastar, especially when dual screen espeon use 252+ too

 

[AM]

well, it does no harm adding them, doesn't it
besides 252+ speed non-scarf/scarf espeon aren't more obscure than some of the mons in this list like +2 omastar, especially when dual screen espeon use 252+ too

+2 omastar is there for swift swim. Its not obscure.

 

[Martin]

well, it does no harm adding them, doesn't it
besides 252+ speed non-scarf/scarf espeon aren't more obscure than some of the mons in this list like +2 omastar, especially when dual screen espeon use 252+ too

Yeah. TBH, Omastar is actually good while Espeon is complete and utter trash.

 

[GnralLao]

I don't see Cloyster anywhere. Here are the speeds before and after a Shell Smash:

262 / Bisharp, Breloom, Cloyster, Metagross, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 0
524 / Cloyster / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +2


Also, I don't know if neutral natures are a thing on Cloyster, but here are the speeds anyway:

239 / Bisharp, Breloom, Cloyster, Metagross, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
478 / Cloyster, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / Neutral / 252 / +2

 

[Taiwan Province]

I don't see Cloyster anywhere. Here are the speeds before and after a Shell Smash:

262 / Bisharp, Breloom, Cloyster, Metagross, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 0
524 / Cloyster / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +2


Also, I don't know if neutral natures are a thing on Cloyster, but here are the speeds anyway:

239 / Bisharp, Breloom, Cloyster, Metagross, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
478 / Cloyster, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / Neutral / 252 / +2

And Swampert should probably be added to 524 speed too.

 

[Vengeance417]

You should include Skarmory in the max speed base 70 category (Jolly 252; 262 speed) for its Custap lead set.

 

[p2]

How about Rock Polish Mega TTar in the same place as Tyrantrum? (530 and 482 for Jolly/Adamant, respectively)
530 / Tyrantrum, Mega Tyranitar / 71 / +Spe / 252 / +2
482 / Tyrantrum, Mega Tyranitar / 71 / Neutral / 252 / +2

And how about one for Trick Room Cresselia?
157 / Cresselia / 85 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 iv

 

[Celticpride]

265 / Venusaur / 80 / +Spe / 180 / +2

Shouldn't this be +0?

 

[Tressed]

265 / Venusaur / 80 / +Spe / 180 / +2

Shouldn't this be +0?

Sun Venusaur, which used to be a thing for a while.

Also why I'm here, slash Thundurus Therian alongside RP Lando.

 

[Vinc608]

265 is clearly not the speed tiers of Venusaur at +2, so i agree with Celticpride

 

[Kurona]

Hey so, I think 359 / Talonflame / 126 / +Spe / 156 / 0 should be on here. Relevance of this being that between this and Max Speed Jolly Talon, the only things that you don't hammer just as well if not better with Brave Bird than Flare Blitz are Max Speed Jolly Talon itself (you're only hoping for a speed tie even then) and Weavile who can get you with an Ice Shard for chip damage. At the 358 speed tier however is Scarf Magnezone who you of course would prefer to Flare Blitz. In exchange you get some significant bulk to distribute among your stats.

 

[bludz]

Might as well just put 168 EVs to get the jump on Raikou IMO but I do agree a non max jolly spread should be listed

 

[Kurona]

Might as well just put 168 EVs to get the jump on Raikou IMO but I do agree a non max jolly spread should be listed

Whoops didn't notice Raikou somehow; I'm a dumb. Thanks for catching that

 

[GnralLao]

Small nitpick: I just realized that the 438 speed benchmark has its EVs missing:

438 / Aerodactyl (Mega), Alakazam (Mega) / 150 / +Spe / 252 / 0

Oh, and while I'm at it, maybe add Scarfed Hydreigon with a modest nature?

442 / Hydreigon / 98 / Neutral / 252 / +1

 

[Karxrida]

Meloetta-P is missing. I'm not sure if Ben Gay's mixed Relic Song set runs max Speed, but its base is 128.

 

[GnralLao]

Oh and since Landorus-I is banned, all of its sets should probably be off the list.

 

[BlueLobster]

Why is max speed adanant Lando-T not on this list? Does anyone actually use 232 spe? IK it's the analysis spread but isn't max better to use for max Tran, as well as the one most people creep, therefore being the most important one for reference?

 

[MANNAT]

Why is max speed adanant Lando-T not on this list? Does anyone actually use 232 spe? IK it's the analysis spread but isn't max better to use for max Tran, as well as the one most people creep, therefore being the most important one for reference?

also max speed jolly to get the jump on the stuff right below it

 

[Blazikarados]

Well, thank Arceus- geopass and scolipass and crap are dead so we can get rid of Espeon now I suppose.

 

[GnralLao]

While randomly using a calc with Scarf Diggersby, I found out Jolly Scarf Diggersby wasn't here and I definitely think it's worth adding since Jolly is the main slash in terms of natures:

420 / Diggersby / 78 / +Spel / 252 / +1

 

[Trinitrotoluene]

it's been a while, but i've updated the speed tiers w/ most of your posts and fixed the errors you've caught, so big ups to all of you for posting and helping me out here :] i have a few quick comments below:

Karxrida, if you can give me an ev spread for the mixed relic song set, i'll be more than happy to add meloetta-pirouette to the speed tiers.

Celticpride, you're right about the venusaur boosts. i've fixed those up.

GnralLao, thanks for catching so many of the errors in the list and offering up suggestions for entries in the speed tiers.

fleggumfl Human Mystery Box, i've added +2 mega tyranitar to both +2 tyrantrum entries.

keep on posting updates and fixes for the speed tiers, everyone!

 

[p2]

I went through the VR and found some newer stuff that hasn't been added here yet and did Hoopa formes.
Meloetta speed tiers:

390 / Meloetta-P / 128 / +Spe / 252 / 0
306 / Meloetta / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 0
279 / Meloetta / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 0

Idk if HP Fire Mega Alakazam is relevant enough, but I'll post its speed tier anyway:

437 / Alakazam (Mega) / 150 / +Spe / 252 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]

Slowking speed tiers:

96 / Slowking / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 0
58 / Slowking / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV

Hoopa-C + Hoopa-U:
262 / Hoopa-C / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 0
239 / Hoopa-C / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
393 / Hoopa-C / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +1
130 / Hoopa-C / 70 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV [Trick Room]

284 / Hoopa-U / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 0
259 / Hoopa-U / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 0
426 / Hoopa-U / 80 / +Spe / 252 / +1
148 / Hoopa-U / 80 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV [Trick Room]

Froslass:
350 / Froslass / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0

Agility Thundurus-T:
662 / Thundurus-T / 101 / +Spe / 252 / +2

Mega Latias:
300 / Latias (Mega) 110 / Neutral / 176 / 0

 

[Karxrida]

Trinitrotoluene Meloetta can also just run Speed for max Weavile (in -P) and Jolly Excadrill (base), as there's isn't anything else that's viable it beats with max investment while in -P forme (Mega Beedrill and Mega Sceptile often run +Speed and Mega Altaria wins anyway).

387 / Meloetta-P / 128 / +Spe / 240 / 0
303 / Meloetta / 90 / +Spe / 240 / 0

3.1k hype.