seconding cresselia to A rank. don't forget it can also hard counter zygarde, nidoking/queen, mega sceptile, spread paralysis (that you can abuse by sending scarf rachi), and it's generally impossible to kill if you pair it with like umbreon.
Encore is also rather bothersome for Cress as it can get her locked into one of her support moves and from there MLop is free do as she pleases, and I do see more encore sets gaining popularity (specifically sub-encore). But yeah I don't think MLop's versatility should be a point against Cress, she just has too much tools in the bag.So you're running Toxic, Baton Pass and Sub on the same set? I didn't know that Lopunny had 5 moveslots?
Toxic is a valid point though. Fake Out or Encore are probably best in the final slot after the main STAB moves.
Still Cresselia is still a hard check or even a counter to Mega Lopunny Toxic or not and the metagame suits it very well at this point. It has Moonblast for semi-reliable recovery, support with Thunder Wave, Toxic and Lunar Dance and does a good job of checking Fighting types as even Knock Off doesn't do that much. It could feasibly stay A- rank or go to A rank. I don't have enough experience with it to clearly say which.
I said those as options, jeez... people just want likesSo you're running Toxic, Baton Pass and Sub on the same set? I didn't know that Lopunny had 5 moveslots?
Toxic is a valid point though. Fake Out or Encore are probably best in the final slot after the main STAB moves.
Still Cresselia is still a hard check or even a counter to Mega Lopunny Toxic or not and the metagame suits it very well at this point. It has Moonblast for semi-reliable recovery, support with Thunder Wave, Toxic and Lunar Dance and does a good job of checking Fighting types as even Knock Off doesn't do that much. It could feasibly stay A- rank or go to A rank. I don't have enough experience with it to clearly say which.
One, I meant Moonlight, not Moonblast. Sorry about that.I said those as options, jeez... people just want likes
Also, the guy clearly said MOONBLAST, not psyshock
Uh What Bronzong was also ranked befroe ORAS SO unless you mistyped THATS RACISTEh qwilfish was ranked before oras appeared so no nick for it. Anyways, three questions
Whimsicott for A rank?(Rank "Only Counter to Zygarde that doesn`t need to fuck over its moveset which is like half of the reason its good" imo)
Bird Jesus for A rank too?
And what do you think is worthy of A+ atm, because that list is freaking tiny?
(I actually dm if a+ is puny because maybe there's really isn't much shit that fall in between A and S, who knows)
Just gonna take a moment to vouch for Pain Spilt / Baton Pass Mawile, Intimidate can force quite a few early game switches and a combination of Rocks damage + switch initiative goes a long way towards softening up offensive mons like Darm who otherwise have no problem coming in on Mawile. Pain Split is a fun move to play around with, as Venduria said since Mawile doesn't have the best HP stat you can heal yourself up pretty nicely with it. I'd say Seismic Toss isn't a great move on Mawile from my own experience, but I still think its a good move for a mon that doesn't have a lot of attacking capability. Here's a set that I've been using:Some thoughts on some of the suggestions (incoming long post)
Mawile
I don't have much experience with it, but from what I've seen, it isn't unviable. Fairy/Steel is an amazing type combo, and Intimidate with physical bulk gives it a surprising amount of longevity on the physical side. It has Knock Off, Taunt, and Stealth Rocks, so it doesn't lack in utility, but it lacks a lot of damage, forcing you to run Seismic Toss or Toxic if you want to do any meaningful damage. (Play Rough from base 85 Attack is dreadful when you can't afford to invest in it) However, it has interesting potential with a BP set, being able to boost up with Stockpile, Iron Defense, or Swords Dance. Pain Split is a viable form of recovery with its low base HP, and Super Fang can really pay off against switch ins. It isn't quite as bad as Scrafty at the moment, but by no means is it a destructive force. I would argue it has more viability than Durant, so C ranking isn't unthinkable. Then again, I wouldn't care enough to argue it out of D rank if that's what people decide. Unranked -> C
The Problemn with that is that Kingdra is 1 rank above when it basically needs the same support like ok I can get like the better typing and Wat not but Kabu is still the most dangerous of the 2 in rain and Kingdra sets that work out of rain(which is DD which if it doesn`t have Rain Dance its Outclasses by Haxorus which DD and Critdra which is gimmick as fuck and doesn`t warrant a rank increase) are definately not enough to Put it up a sub rank above Kabu just because "it can work"Kabutops
No. It is still niche, really being useful only on Rain Teams, and that's it. It is quite good, but the support necessary to make it succeed keeps it low on the viability rankings. Every team should be prepared for it, but your team isn't better from having it. C (no change)
Now for my own nominations
Whether or not Critdra is a gimmick doesn't really matter if it performs well enough to warrant its ranking. Keep in mind what else is in B-; Pokemon like Diancie, Escavalier, and Stoutland are in this rank, all of whom fill very small niches. Critdra does have viability if not for the sole purpose of breaking Crocune while seriously denting anything that switches in once it has set up. Critdra actually invests into Speed, so it wins this match up essentially 100% of the time.The Problemn with that is that Kingdra is 1 rank above when it basically needs the same support like ok I can get like the better typing and Wat not but Kabu is still the most dangerous of the 2 in rain and Kingdra sets that work out of rain(which is DD which if it doesn`t have Rain Dance its Outclasses by Haxorus which DD and Critdra which is gimmick as fuck and doesn`t warrant a rank increase) are definately not enough to Put it up a sub rank above Kabu just because "it can work"
so either move Kingdra down or move Kabu up but both deserve same rank
The metagame in OU is different from the metagame in UU. For example Rhyperior is B rank here but B+ in OU, because it does very well against birdspam (Talonflame, Staraptor, Mega Pinsir)Mega Camerupt is B Rank in OU but C Rank here. Also, Megallade is A+ in OU. WHy is he still legal here?
Work up + Roost says hi, and if you really want to be asinine towards Blissey the premiere SpD wall use refresh and turn her into set up bait (it is very possible to get away with mono Flying STAB since the tier still sucks at having an answer towards it. So you do have options available against special walls.Mega Pidgeot ~ A- to A
This thing puts a lot of team pressure on the opponents special walls even though it can't touch them, and can freely bait obvious switches with its stellar u-turn. Pidgeot might not have many move options, but it certainly gives whatever team it's on many ways to play around an opponent.