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All Gens Past Gens Research Thread

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Jellicent, May 15, 2014.

  1. Crystal_

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    wait what, where does that come from? o.o

    EDIT: Whatever that is, it's half wrong. I can still drop Alakazam's special with Psychic or poison Pinsir with Twineedle.
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    i believe it is from pokemon stadium. someone posted it on irc before.
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    <cookie> jesus shit on a stick
    <cookie> it works
    <cookie> i hacked icy wind to freeze and changed its type to poison
    <cookie> it froze swinub, but not tentacruel
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    Crystal used Metagame Break!
    It's super effective!
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    this is still blowing my mind. holy shit.
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    I think you mean they paralyse the target. I've never been burned by any of these moves.
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    It can, just checked it. d:6131 (freeze) is called even against Ice Pokémon.
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    Copy/paste rip. Fixed.

    Yeah, check out battle command 0xac, which corresponds to tri attack. Battle command 0x18 will be called for a freeze. Notice how Function36e5b would only prevent ice pokemon from being frozen, excluding the normal type from the check.

    While we are at it, it seems that freeze can't be inflicted under sunny weather. I personally didn't know that.
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    i also remember that a pokemon will never thaw in rain, but that might just be me making up a corollary to the sunny day behaviour
    edit: nope
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    It seems not. Only sun/freeze. The weather check only exists for the freeze effect.
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    Hey, does tri-attack freeze ice-types then?
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    Yes, and burn fire types
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    Last edited: Dec 28, 2014
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    Wait, huh? I thought the whole mechanic screwup only applies to burn, freeze, and paralysis (the last for Gen I only). Twinneedle should be able to poison everything that isn't Poison-type in both generations.
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    Whoops, must have read posion-types. The correct answer for bug-types is no.
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    Updated my research post with Conversion and Haze. Personally, there was some stuff about Haze I didn't know exactly. Not sure if sims implement it perfectly due to all the substatuses involved. I can aslo smell some glitches involving freeze/sleep + hyperbeam/charging move + haze. Will investigate a bit.
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    I guess you ought to investigate Rage too if you haven't yet (just off of the info from DragonFlyCave).. sounds like you're doing a fantastic job though :)
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    I've updated the post with the bug; I tested this stuff in the game and it confirmed my initial thoughts (will make a video tomorrow about this glitch just because). Here's the bug:
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    Okay, this bug is as hilarious as it sounds, but it's true, incredibly:

    If a Pokemon that has just used Hyper Beam and has yet to recharge (that is, its Recharge status is active) is targeted with a sleep inducing move, any other status it may already have will be ignored (paralysis/burn/freeze/poison) and sleep will be induced regardless. In addition, the sleep inducing move can NEVER miss (not even from a "255").

    Will make a video soon.
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    lol you're insane, nice work finding all of this :]
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    Holy shit I'm so implementing that lol
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    Update in regards to the Haze glitch. It also applies to Hyper Beam during link battles, but only for freeze, NOT for sleep.
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    Out of curiosity, does spd/atk lost from para/burn remains after the mon gets the sleep?
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    Of course. To keep things clear, there's nothing in the game that "reverts" the par/brn stat drops, unless we are talking about reseting or recalculating the stat(s), which occurs after using Haze or after a stat up/down move that affects the stat in question is used, respectively.
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