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Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records

Discussion in 'Smogon's Greatest Hits' started by Peterko, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. Peterko

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    I am doing a weavile run in the hall, only at fifty so far to get the silver print,
    the set was fake out, night slash, ice punch, ice shard (double battle starter)

    I did fire, water, fighting, bug and poison (poison just because I wanted the print, have to breed another weavile)

    I was extremely lucky against forretress at #37 or #38, the weavile moveset I used doesn´t suit steel types though...
    fake out, flinch,
    I froze it with my first ice punch, lum, bug bite,
    ice punch, payback,
    ice punch CH lol

    anyway, I am planing on making an adamant one with counter and want to face steel next (the other hard type beside fire, water and fighting), the set in mind is sash, counter, ice shard, brick break, night slash, but I still have no clue how to beat the following

    H445 | Empoleon | Mild | Petaya Berry | Flash Cannon | Hydro Pump | Aqua Jet | Yawn | SpA/SpD
    -> well considering this will be at a lower level, brick break+ice shard may be enough, 80% min dmg at lv.100 vs lv.96 though (what´s the level of your oponent in battle 60?)

    H449 | Bronzong | Quiet | Leftovers | Extrasensory | Flash Cannon | Trick Room | Protect | Def/SpA
    -> 90-106/264 damage with night slash at lv.100 vs lv.96...I lose unless one of the night slashes CHs :/

    H474 | Heatran | Modest | Focus Band | Magma Storm | Flash Cannon | Lava Plume | Metal Sound | SpA/SpD
    -> I won´t even do a damage calc. for brick break (oh well I did and it´s a 2HKO)...but game over before I break the second brick if he hits with magma storm (70%) or lava plume burns (30%)...pretty bad odds if you ask me

    yeah...everyone and their mother knows that there is no way for weavile to beat the poliwrath...that´s the weavile of the dragons

    btw. I kind of laughed at "the judge" in the tower, who is a wannabe-emerald-frontier-IV-guy :D
  2. Diana

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    Okay, so Peterko, your post with what trainers can have one Pokemon is good, but I found something wrong. I faced Roughneck Ross just now and he had Mightyena 2 and Cacturne 2 despite what the database says. I saved the battle but haven't uploaded it yet, I will if you want to see it.
  3. Peterko

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    well, the wording is maybe confusing

    Roughneck => Poison, Dark & Ghost (all sets except mightyena 2, sharpedo 2, crawdaunt 2 & cacturne 2)

    it basically means he uses all 4 movesets of the poison, dark and ghost pokémon he has, except that the four pokémon mentioned he uses have only the one moveset...so he uses them, but only mightyena 2 (not mightyena 1 as it has only 2 sets), cacturne 2

    wil change it to (all sets; mightyena, sharpedo, crawdaunt & cacturne are only set 2)
  4. Diana

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    Ah, okay, thanks. I had already assumed that set 1 was too weak from what I heard, but I thought that meant set 2 was also gone. Okay, makes more sense now.
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    I'm going through the Battle Hall with this Mamoswine:

    Mamoswine @ Leftovers
    Snow Cloak
    252 Attack/252 Speed/4 HP
    Adamant
    ~Earthquake
    ~Ice Shard
    ~Stone Edge
    ~Curse

    I just completed the Dragon set, any suggestions on the next one?
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    I'd get Fire and Fighting done,
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    Thanks, I'll get to it.
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    lol the battle factory is ridiculous

    ok somehow i got to 35 without getting haxed too much, got the ip/ns/bb/aa razor claw weavile as a lead and kind of murdered everything because i had the wide lens/pump/thunder/blizzard starmie as well for backup after a swap. then 36-42 i had some good options but went with:

    680 | Nidoking | Modest | Expert Belt | Earth Power | Sludge Bomb | Ice Beam | Shadow Ball | SpA/Spe

    because it was faster than the max speed gardevoir that was one of my options too, also had sash heatran at my disposal and the cm/dp/psy/tw SpA/SpD latios. i went with nidoking 100% because it gave me, i thought, a better chance to win than gardevoir, which trumped the fact that i personally love gardevoir and have if anything slightly negative feelings towards nidoking having never used it ingame or in competitive play. so of course i have to face not one but two gardy leads in the 36-42 stretch but am able to CM up with latios against one and boom on the other. beat the specs jynx with heatran too in like lattle 39 or 40 and would love to have taken that over nidoking but with latios already there it just didnt fit.

    i'm highlighting all this because the factory has always been my bane since it took me six straight weeks to beat in emerald in 2005 and i was playing it exclusively like 3-4 hours a day, and i never broke 45 wins there and lost at the gold symbol 42 battle twice, the second time with an espeon lead. not saying that wasnt a good team, but that i know how lame it is to lose in the factory and that you have to put aside any, ANY favoritism if you want to win. ive lost in the first round before and peterko has too and im sure many others too, this isnt a place where you want to have fun because you have legit decisions to make every round regarding swapping and especially at the start of seven so yeah.

    finished 42 with nidoking/latios/heatran and was really proud of myself because again, i'd only gone 42 wins in emerald one and i did it here on like the 7-8th try which is nothing, probably took over 70-80 tries in emerald. so this round starts off with these six, in the order they were presented:


    852 | Porygon2 | Modest | Lum Berry | Tri Attack | Signal Beam | Shadow Ball | Ice Beam | HP/SpA
    708 | Shuckle | Impish | Lax Incense | Gyro Ball | Substitute | Double Team | Power Trick | HP/Def/SpD
    623 | Venusaur | Adamant | Black Sludge | Seed Bomb | Earthquake | Outrage | Curse | Atk/SpD
    799 | Lopunny | Jolly | Muscle Band | Dizzy Punch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
    629 | Sceptile | Adamant | Scope Lens | Leaf Blade | X-Scissor | Night Slash | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
    882 | Kingdra | Modest | Wide Lens | Hydro Pump | Draco Meteor | Blizzard | Signal Beam | HP/SpA


    i had 14 swaps at the time, and again this was battle 43. scanning back through, i saw that lopunny had 339 speed...which was odd cause i was expecting "28" if anything. if battles 1, 8, 15, 22, 29, 36, 43 "should be" 0, 4, 8, 16, 20, 24 and 28 IVs, respectively. but rather than just view the pokemon/movesets i decided to see what the IVs actually were for me, having swapped a third of the time. as it turned out, exactly two had 31 IVs, and the other four had 24 IVs. P2: 24. Shuckle: 24. Venusaur: 24. Lopunny: 31. Sceptile: 31. Kingdra: 24. that said, I stopped swapping to see how swapping solely for the sake of seeing how it helped IVs after my first time playing. i would probably have more 31 IV pokes if i had swapped more often but i definitely didnt care, that was emerald's problem with necessitating swaps for better IVs and it definitely ended up burning me at least a dozen times by itself.

    so i ended up taking p2, venusaur and kingdra. neither of the 31 IV pokes really "worked" for me, i didnt want something that was frail and didnt have really good attack as well, and while sceptile and lopunny both had 339 speed, sceptile only had 295 attack and lopunny had like 251 attack even though both would have made pretty good leads. sceptile's only stab was leaf blade and we all know that's resisted by seven types. i felt p2 was a better lead than kingdra primarily because it *wasn't* a better lead than kingdra, and I fully planned to swap out p2 for a better lead if i were to come across one.

    first battle was against amnesia whiscash which i though QCed me turn two but it turns out it was the same speed as p2, meaning it was also 24 IVs. p2 lost but kingdra cleaned up and i won pretty easily, beating the LO ambipom along the way and deciding instantly to swap it for p2 as i'd essentially planned.

    battle 44 i led off against a rapidash. i calced my double hit on it, somehow forgetting about LO but adding technician, and i only did 40-47% against a 24 IV rapidash, so that meant a switch to kingdra, especially cause i didnt want ambipom taking a flare blitz to the face. (it turns out ambipom was pickup so my calc was only slightly off and kingdra was still the right move.) it uses sunny day, which means one of these two:

    417 | Rapidash | Modest | Chesto Berry | Fire Blast | SolarBeam | Sunny Day | Rest | SpA/Spe
    553 | Rapidash | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | SolarBeam | Swift | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe

    which makes me think about what the best move is to use. I calc Pump in sun and its like 92-111%, so i calc DM and it always kills even if it lowers my SpA prematurely, and it's the best move further because it will still be sunny after kingdra kills rapidash which is all the more reason to switch out. so I pick the 99% accurate (wide lens) DM...but not before rapidash switches out? ok now people like peterko, tre, fasthippo and i have posted hundreds of words on the logistics of the AI switching, and we're pretty positive it's only if your poke is immune to the AIs moves or if perish song is in effect. i've also noticed that in plat, if you use an attack that doesn't kill the foe poke, and the foe has another poke that resists that attack, they "will" switch to that poke. i say "will" because i'm pretty sure it doesn't always happen, and it has not once happened to me here in the factory where it has happened in the tower and the castle and probably the arcade too.

    and in fact, the factory was still using "random" attacks in like battle 40—i had my latios paralyzed against a last-poke drifblim with a 60% nidoking waiting, and it used...psychic while i DPed, psychic again while FP, and the thunderbolt as i DPed for the kill. it was this one:

    686 | Drifblim | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Icy Wind | Destiny Bond | HP/SpA

    "why wouldn't it use icy wind" etc, or even destiny bond though i guess the AI doesn't do that if it's the last poke...but there was no real reason to not use icy wind three times, lol. which is kind of lame because before that, nidoking led off against a dugtrio, and that's a pretty automatic switch to latios if it's possible (arena trap) since nidoking is ohkoed by eq and i dont want to break heatran's sash if i don't have to, but...dugtrio uses night slash??? it was this one:

    635 | Dugtrio | Jolly | Razor Claw | Fissure | Giga Impact | Aerial Ace | Night Slash | Atk/Spe

    which i guess had a problem using fissure but that's weird because even a CH night slash has no remote chance of killing nidoking, so whatever, latios was at like 40%, but what move is duggy going to use? i'm detailing this to show that "random attack" isnt always cool, because if i felt dugtrio is going to use a move at random, then staying in with latios is better than going back to nidoking into fissure or getting two "250 speed" pokes weakened pretty bad. but it of course used night slash again and killed latios and i had to go to heatran, fissure missed and i ohkoed with flash cannon and then lol (remembering this battle as it comes back to me, couldn't record everything and this was about 4pm yesterday), regigigas comes out, i use magma storm as that will give me the best chance to 2hko and i obviously miss and it uses...earth power, the only one with earth power lmao. i survive with sash and kill it with boom and looking back i guess another one had EQ and BP so its less funny (cause that one would have been worse) but the other two cant touch heatran so yeah. luckily it was a last poke tangrowth to take on nidoking and, while i did lose at battle 30 to one due to lax incense like 6 weeks ago as i posted about earlier, this is a great matchup and i dont miss with sludge bomb and win.

    so, back to this battle, 44. rapidash switched out of kingdra's DM, and in comes...altaria. "lol." that got me pretty pumped cause as i explained, the AI virtually never switches and like literally had no reason that any of us know of to switch out there. it felt as if i'd predicted perfectly even though DM was the "better move", then again i might be waxing more modest than my kingdra because a few people there would still have used hydro pump i'm sure. so something dumb comes out and i go to venusaur and remember that i need to save kingdra for rapidash, i cant remember what came out because i definitely had to switch kingdra out and i couldn't save this battle cause there was...another i had to save later. nm it was donphan (why wouldn't i just delete part of that last sentence), EQed on the switch which brought me into OVERGROW RANGE and seed bomb did like 80% to it and ambipom cleaned up with IP and then used double hit on rapidash for the expected 90% and died to FB after LO recoil but it didnt matter, kingdra evidently walled this solarbeam rapidash enough that it was forced to switch as though kingdra was immune to everything it had, so the final DM was a formality.

    anyway, not that i need a reason to post a wall of words, but i will again state that it took me six straight weeks of 3-4 hour-a-day play in 2005 to beat the emerald factory, and much of that was the horrible luck that's hard-coded into the game. i was closer then to my "competitive playing days" than i am now, if that's the only objective barometer i can use to gauge my skill, so i definitely knew how to play and more importantly was using the lists that peterko so kindly compiled for all of us the hard way...and i was still losing day after day, after streaks of 22 and 28 and 31 and after making switches just to get better IVs for later then losing to things i wouldnt have lost to if i'd kept the better team intact, and at times keeping a team with great synergy, losing anyway, and wondering if my IVs had anything to do with it.

    so needless to say by now "i really, really didn't want to lose" after getting as far as i had in emerald's factory just once, because there was little besides the "you dont need to swap to get IVs" to reassure me that, if i did lose, it wouldn't again take "six straight weeks of 3-4 hours a day" of trying. that's why i had to be clicking on all cylinders for these last battles, because in a way, a loss at 47 or 48 would be more devastating than me losing at 321 last year when trying to get to 330. i dont really care about the factory as much as i do about the tower but i still "have to" have all the gold prints and this was the last one and "arguably" (it isn't an argument really) the hardest one to get so yeah. seriously, right now i would rather try getting to 330 in pearl with my lopunny/latios/lucario team than try getting to 42 wins again in the emerald battle factory, that should put it in perspective for you. i honestly think getting to 42 in the emerald factory would be harder.

    so, battle 45 was funny. lead ludicolo, check the list and venusaur walls two and is the right switch regardless for info. it uses rain dance on the switch, and i curse with venusaur as it uses DT, and it turns out to be this one:

    523 | Ludicolo | Impish | Leftovers | Leech Seed | Toxic | Double Team | Rain Dance | HP/Def/SpD

    which venusaur entirely walls, awesome. but rather than let it DT up I decide to use seed bomb to chip away, I miss as it DTs again but i'm not remotely threatened by that since i entirely wall it. you know what venusaur is threatened by though? latios when it switches in on your curse. this was actually my fault, given what I detailed about the AI switching in pokes that resist the last attack you used, and this time I wasnt magician enough to predict a dragon coming in and use a dragon type move to OHKO. latios here is so ass to face...kingdra is murdered and ambipom doesn't ohko with ice punch. i dont even know which one it is, since after battle 28 pokes can be any set evidently, so i have to stay in and hope it does something stupid. it uses...luster purge...i just hope venusaur can somehow survive it, or that this latios is timid and not modest or whatever...and somehow venusaur survives with like 20% HP and kills with outrage.

    very awesome...i'd forgotten that venusaur had max SpD, mainly because it didn't matter because staying in was my only move. next poke is mismagius which kills with shadow ball before i can outrage again, which kind of sucks because all of them have it and i have no idea which one it is. "luckily" it wont be hitting ambipom with any STAB move, even if one has sash, but i 2HKO with thunderpunch and face off against ludi again...dont freeze with IP and miss with FP trying to burn it as i realize it's a rain dish variant, but i switch in kingdra and tag it with signal beam as it toxics me, miss with another one as it gets back to a little over 50% HP, and put all my eggs in draco meteor's basket and hatch my 45th straight win when it hits. probably the toughest battle i've won in the factory looking back on it, cause nothing is switching into that latios at all and mismagius as a cleanup on venusaur made things interesting in the end since i no longer had my 100% ludi counter (thinking about it now, even if i never hit with any attack, i'm pretty sure i beat it with swift-like +6 struggle since it will not have damaged me). there aren't that many pokemon that can beat this latios 1-on-1, and not that many pokemon that would not have dented venusaur to make this possible in the first place. (curses aside, i only ohko unboosted ~15% of the time but "luckily" my adamant ambipom is faster than 75% of the latios and cleans those up everytime and actually takes 89.09% max from the timid psychic...though the timid one has expert belt and would have ohkoed venusaur with psychic 74.36% of the time lol, which kind of outlines how lame "latios" is for this team.)

    anyway, this was the latios i beat:

    947 | Latios | Modest | White Herb | Luster Purge | Draco Meteor | Hyper Beam | Surf | SpA/Spe

    while i would have loved to "double dragon", especially because i really really love both kingdra and latios (ive been affectionately saying "kingdra is uber" for like two years now and latios is of course on two of my 300+ streak teams), it just wasnt a good idea to have two dragon weaknesses, so i replaced kingdra, a decision made easier because it was so slow (no Spe EVs). so i won battle 46, 47, and 48 (what, did you think you were getting a warstory for every battle?) and saw no reason to swap again.

    so, finally, battle 49. "nervous" for aforementioned reasons, i really cant lose and I lost my first two gold symbol battles in emerald so yeah. thorton didnt particularly use any type (in fact only one of my last 14 opponents did, whatever). he says 70% even though i really dont "let that number concern me" because it's probably completely random, and he sends out Flygon. I'm almost positive that in my winning Gold Symbol battle in Emerald that Flygon led off against my Surf/Psychic/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt Starmie as well (it was either that or Ninetales/Rapidash then Flygon was 2nd, probably have it documented in an AIM log with skarm somewhere, and this is why Starmie's my second favorite poke ever), so this is a great sign. i know one has yache berry but i dont care, this is the right move by far, and it doesn't have yache. next poke...staraptor. i debate staying in to dent it with thunderpunch (par is better than freezing) even though i'm intimidated, but i figure that ambipom (which is at 90% now after LO recoil) is more valuable than venusaur. assuming it has 31 IVs, my thunderpunch only does 82-96% unintimidated, so hopefully venusaur can dent it a little, and hopefully it doesn't DT because lol. but on the switch, it uses brave bird, which, as i watch venusaur's health drop, i realize is great because i definitely kill now with TP after all that recoil.

    so i bring ambipom back in, and i already know what damage i do on it but want to check my latios's speed again in case that's a factor for the last poke...but in between consulting my list on my pc and checking the summaries of the pokes i have on the touch screen i accidentally switch latios in to brave bird. lol. there's no words for how bad a "misclick" that is, so i'll just say that latios died which confirmed that it was the CB staraptor, probably, who cares. i'm beyond mad at myself at this point (i'd put my headphones on as i had for all gold print battles, yeah those were ripped off and slammed to the ground the instant i misclicked), i definitely had this in the bag with 80% ambipom and that 100% latios capable of beating pretty much every single pokemon except some dumb dd salamence stuff (intimidate).

    as an aside, even if max def dragonite didnt still die to ambipom ice punch 53.85% of the time, it could not have been dd dragonite, because dragonite can only carry Lum, Razor Claw, EB and CB, and since i outsped Flygon (which was very probably 31 IVs), it could only have been the Lum Berry one because the other one I outspeed has yache. meaning draggy could only be razor claw or EB, both of which latios murder. only stuff like dd sala or gyarados are gay for me to face there if i play it perfectly (read: dont misclick), virtually everything else i can beat or have a great shot to because i have physical and special attackers in ambipom and latios (so something like registeel or blissey doesn't wall me). even if it were dd salamence, ambipom still ohkos that intimidated the same 53.85% of the time it beats max def draggy (which doesnt have dd), and those there's two dd gyarados, one only had eq/wf which latios walls, and the other can be a little bit of a nuisance with dd+if but ambipom gets that 58.97% of the time after intimidate .

    sorry, i had to validate my anger with theorymon and calcs that dont matter. after i killed staraptor thorton sent out...cradily? i was sure it'd be something 80% ambipom loses to every time, but i have a chance against this i guess. ice punch for...45%, which sucks, and it uses...stone edge. it's this one:

    817 | Cradily | Calm | Leftovers | Stone Edge | Seed Bomb | Earthquake | Mirror Coat | HP/Def/SpD

    and i watch my bar drop, knowing at least it'd go under the 10% HP i'd need to have any chance of winning. it stops at 38/284 though, which surprises me because i definitely don't deserve to win after 100% a mistake on my part and no hax on theirs. so i use ip again...hoping for a freeze or a ch...no such luck though, and it uses stone edge for the kill.

    except stone edge missed, because stone edge is the worst attack in dppt. i grin and spam IP for the win. maybe i did deserve to win. maybe i didn't. maybe that really, in some twisted way, does indicate that stone edge is really and unequivocally the worst attack in dppt as i've been saying since DP came out, since seed bomb and EQ both kill a 13% ambipom without question and even if they only did 4% i would die to LO recoil (which is why i denounce LO for Tower teams). maybe 13% was the unlucky number for the AI, and it felt it fitting to use the most luck-based move in the game to finish the battle and the decision on my gold print no matter what. or maybe pokemon's silly and there's no explanation at all.

    so, at 49 and counting in the Battle Factory, 72-38980-00268 for posterity. i had to warstory that one, though. not going back there for a while.


    tldr; "stone edge is the worst attack in dppt."
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    epic.. and sadly I read that whole thing.

    do you keep a record of every battle for the factory like I do jump because it sure seems like you do
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    Don't worry, lol i'm never using SE again. If the AI gets haxed by it in a situation like that, maybe it was fate, maybe it felt sorry for you, maybe the factory isn't impossible. But I won't beleive that until someone hits 100.
    And way-to-go Jump, congrats.
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    My winning streak on the Battle Tower is 70 and my Battle Castle streak is 56. Not sure if that's the right way to say it...
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    you should probably read the first post where peterko says you're supposed to say which pokes you use complete with items and abilities and movesets and natures and ev spreads and preferably explain how you use the team

    nah i just have a pretty good memory

    also peterko, at battle 60 in the hall they won't be Lv96 yet, it'll be like Lv 91 or 92, probably 91 and maybe 90

    you should probably do steel because if bronzong is levitate you're not beating it

    also you're never going to beat charizard (sash)
    or typhlosion
    or starmie unless it misses with hydro pump and you hit with eq (brightpowder), which won't kill anyway if it's ~Lv95 (not calcing but i'm "guessing" because I know starmie survives Adamant Garchomp/Granbull Crunch Lv100 vs Lv100 and STAB EQ is weaker)
    or slowbro
    or gyarados
    or arcanine
    or poliwrath
    or alakazam 70% of the time (only because energy ball doesn't quite OHKO)
    or sharpedo
    or scizor

    these are just off the top of my head, idk if you're just trying to get to 170 with your favorite pokemon or not, but that mamoswine isnt going very far either way
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    got gayd again in the battle factory -_- (20st Battle) if you want to watch it: 35-31886-19124
  14. Peterko

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    hahaha holy crazy shit jump you did the impossible congrats :D

    SERIOUSLY HOW IN THE NAME OF FACTORY DID THORTON FAIL TO PUT YOU AWAY THERE??????????????????? that, my friend, is the most insane luck against any frontier brain one can have right there...seriously, I would´ve bet 100 bucks on a CH stone edge turn1 any day of the week

    STONE EDGE is the frontier man I mean move, whatever perspective you look at it (yeah it sucks so much lol)

    I will never ever get gold in the factory just because, you know, I spent ages in emerald, even more than you did and beat 42 just once in the million times I tried :/

    whatever, got to 28 in the lv.50 factory (it´s a lot more fun and had really cool pokémon, also its nice to learn the movesets this way)

    yeah, basically the most important thing is team synergy, highest priority being type coverage...I mean with fire-water-grass you almost never go wrong (this combo works wonders for me)

    like always, I am swapping like crazy, 18 in 21 this time and 22 in 28 IIRC

    15-21 I had the sexy fake out, close combat, fire punch u-turn infernape as my starter which is pure win, I also had a very cool seadra that I swapped after the first battle (surf, ice beam) and a 3rd poké I swapped a lot

    22-28 I had thrower+air slash charizard which was supported by a water type (water absorb poliwrath first, then kingdra, then WA politoed) and vileplume which saved my butt a few times

    battle #28 I knew I would face a sheer cold user...I hoped for an abomasnow or something, faced the crazy sheer cold lapras set (for everyone who doesn´t know this "new" variation of sheer drill lappy, this one has sing (!), confuse ray (!) and perish song (!) awful (btw. confusion is the worst status ever) so yeah...it messed up my team, confused, sung twice (sing and perish) but missed sheer cold twice overall...it switched out twice during the match, in the end vileplume killed it and I somehow won the whole battle

    then comes the "before 29-35 options"...well, they kind of sucked

    I went with the blaze kick infernape (thunderpunch, shadow claw, gunk shot...yeah I know), swampert (swampert is always great to have...curse, hammer, aqua tail) and ideally there would be a grass type...but there were only these

    physical raichu (t-punch, sweet kiss, t-wave, focus punch = no way)
    physical hypno (._.)
    golem (iron ball, gyro ball, quake, hammer arm?...dunno)
    the big face magnet with stone edge, explosion, quake...dunno

    tough choice on #3...maybe I should´ve gone hypno or exploder...but went with the seemed-to-be-more-reliable-golem, which meant major grass weak, hopefully ape lives when a grass comes up

    #29 oponent no special type :/
    infernape vs pinsir
    pretty nice face off...well until he endured the blaze kick and flailed ape to inferno :(
    yeah mistake, should´ve switched in golem and beat it but I prefer not to switch unless really important...
    golem eats the flail like a man and KOs

    in comes... ... ... leafeon ... ... ... there you go grass weak...leaf blades me to hell in 2 turns :(

    was a very nice streak this one...later it always comes down to the choice you get
  15. Skeleton_905

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    I defeated Fire and Dragon with my Magical Mamoswine. No sign of Charizard, Typhlosion, or Aracnine. If I can get through water with no signs of those threats, it'll be a miracle.
  16. Diana

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    lol congrats, if anyone deserves a good streak there it's you.

    Anyway, I just ended a Tower streak for a new personal best: 126 in Single Battle Tower.

    lol It's the same team as last time with the change to Scizor everyone wanted basically, I'll post it again without any real explanation because there's a ton of posts on how it works.

    Cresselia @ Choice Scarf
    Levitate
    Bold
    252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe

    Trick
    Reflect
    Thunder Wave
    Flash

    Dragonite @ Lum Berry
    Inner Focus
    Adamant
    4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe

    Dragon Dance
    Roost
    Substitute
    Outrage

    Scizor @ Leftovers
    Technician
    Adamant
    88 HP/252 Attack/168 Speed

    Swords Dance
    Roost
    Bullet Punch
    Superpower


    I lost in battle 127. Swampert got Tricked but ended up being able to use Aqua Tail, which let me get Scizor set up most of the way, though I needed to start attacking at +4 and not +6 (because of 2 critical hit struggles in a row). Then came in Infernape, which I didn't OHKO at +3, so in came Dragonite, and at +1 I started attacking it, KOing it. Breloom comes in, and I win if it's not the Focus Sash variant. Of course, it is, and I lose to a Rock Slide (because I couldn't keep a sub up on Infernape). I probably messed up somewhere but I can't really figure out where, but either way I ended at 126, I will do another run with this team in the not too distant future.
  17. Jumpman16

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    why didnt you set up dragonite instead?
  18. Chinese Dood

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    Yeah, that's really strange. The point of Trick user + Dragon + Steel is so the Dragon or Steel type can come in on a resisted attack (barring electric most of the time), so setting up with Scizor didn't make sense at all.

    My last 2 attempts at Open Level Factory: 31 and 32... *sigh* (best was still at 34). I'll keep trying.
  19. SunshineCat

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    Oh wow, I planned the exact same team down to the moves(from Jump's team but with Nite) and it's in the making...
  20. Brel00m

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    oh my god this is so awesome :D
    no more factory for me ^-^

    i beat thorton the second time with 12 trades (streak is still going but i dont want to play this shit anymore ._.) for the gold symbol

    My team at that point was:
    923 | Articuno | Modest | Wise Glasses | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Ominous Wind | Water Pulse | Def/SpA

    934 | Heatran | Modest | Brightpowder | Flamethrower | Earth Power | Dragon Pulse | Dark Pulse | HP/SpA

    623 | Venusaur | Adamant | Black Sludge | Seed Bomb | Earthquake | Outrage | Curse | Atk/SpD

    the battle vs thorton was quite easy compared to the 6 battles before lol.

    so it starts with my articuno vs his meganium. i forgot to check the data base and my articuno got an ancient power in its face but i live with 98 hp left and used ice beam for about 2/3 of its health.
    the next turn i switched in heatran while he ancient powers again. heatran ate another ancient power and KO´d back with flame thrower.

    then a politoed comes in and i immediately switch in venusaur while he hydro pumps for lol damage. the next turn i use seed bomb and put him into red. he uses ice beam for nearly half of my health. another seed bomb finished it off.

    then his last pokemon came - entei. it turns out it was entei no 4 which gets completely walled by heatran. so i switch in heatran while he uses calm mind. from now on its just me earth powering him to death while he cm´s/ shadow ball`s.


    thank god this shit is over -.-

    will post a picture later dont have time now

    /edit:
    and there goes my streak lol
    startet the round after thorton and 5 of the 6 pokemon i could choose from were weak to fire -.-
    ended up with:
    scizor: x-scissor, bullet punch, baton pass, swords dance
    leafeon: leaf blade, s-scissor, synthesis, sunny day
    cradily: double team, toxic, stockpile, ingrain

    the first opponent showed up and his first pokemon was a magmortar which completely owned my team with flare blitz ...

    so 49 is my record.
  21. Diana

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    I had it Struggling and Scizor had the higher defense so I went with that. If it wouldn't have Critical Hit twice... Eh, I probably could have set up Nite on a few Aqua Tails but I think I was paranoid from the other time I tried that (where I also got crit like crazy). Seems like it was my fault but at the time it seemed better than it was.

    Hey, there's good points to this streak ending at least, now I have a good reason to have fun in the Arcade. As long as it doesn't pull a "battle factory Exeggutor hitting with Hypnosis 8 times in a row".
  22. Chinese Dood

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    FINALLY I got past my 34 streak mark in Factory... but still couldn't hang on long enough to get the gold print. :(

    I got up to 40 streak in Single Battle Factory just now with 13 trades. Had a pretty nice team too, but... yah, stuff happens. And I misplayed ... *sigh*.

    So, my team consisted of:
    905 | Latios | Calm | Focus Band | Psychic | Dragon Pulse | Thunder Wave | Calm Mind | SpA/SpD
    903 | Registeel | Modest | Lum Berry | Flash Cannon | Thunderbolt | Thunder Wave | Amnesia | HP/SpA
    837 | Claydol | Adamant | Lax Incense | Earthquake | Zen Headbutt | Rock Slide | Explosion | Atk/SpD

    First I faced a Wailord. I was pretty sure Latios can just Calm Mind in front of the whale even if it has ice beam, so I did. I got 2 Calm Minds down. Wailord used Ice Beam once and then Double team 2nd turn. I then Psychic or Dragon Pulse for the OHKO.

    Next Pinsir came out. No problem, +2 surf or dragon pulse should be enough for OHKO... but nope, Pinsir was faster and X-Scissor OHKOs Latios. Registeel came out and Twaved and then Flash Cannoned a few times for the kill while the Pinsir used Revenge twice I think and the other moves dealt very little damage. Registeel had about one-third health left. My opponent's final pokemon was Gastrodon.

    This is where I made the mistake, but yah, I just Flash Cannoned Gastrodon for little damage while Gastrodon KOs Registeel with EQ. SHELL BELL recovers a bit of Gastrodon's health. Then Claydol came in and used EQ and Gastrodon had about 45% health left. Gastrodon used Waterfall which did >50% to Claydol, recovering health to about 50%. Claydol's 2nd EQ fails to KO Gastrodon and then Gastrodon used waterfall to win.

    Obviously... I should have switch to Claydol right when I saw Gastrodon and just explode since Claydol's faster and would have survived a waterfall or surf anyway if Gastrodon did use that instead of EQ or Earth Power. Ugh...

    EDIT: Ugh.. ok, I just lost again, at 25 (Thornton had a Heatran and Suicune at 21, but it's cool since at 20 I battled the special Garchomp which took care of Heatran easily) with 9 trades ... ... I think I should put this off for a while.. this is taking way too much time.
  23. SunshineCat

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    Just a quick question...

    In Doubles does the Battle Tower use the same Pokemon as Singles or what...
  24. Peterko

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    updated the list

    yeah of course they are the same...it´s just 4 of them instead of 3 (in the tower that is)

    ugh many people getting high factory streaks...that just means I suck lol (I don´t)

    I noticed succesful factory people have a relatively low number of trades (swaps)...maybe only I am an exception...because I have always 14 in 14 or even 15 in 14 when I lose at 15 :)

    maybe I am hoping that in the later rounds it would help that I basically mass swapped in the earlier rounds...on the other hand, I am not getting nowhere near "later" rounds so far lol

    my last tries were like 13, 7, 13, 2, 14 :/ but I still do level 50 because I am weird
  25. Amelia

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    I just finished 35 on the factory, so here are my observations.

    About swapping, it depends. If your initial 3 are good enough [I once started with 721: Exeggutor, 699: Donphan, and 740: Magnezone during 22-28 (Thorntorn 1), and didn't swap at all the whole 7 rounds. ], you probably can finish all 7 without swapping at all. Vice Versa, if you start terribly, you probably need to swap as soon as you can. Evs/Ivs doesn't really matter as much compared to good starting Pokemon i think.

    Level 50: The key to this is getting fully evolved Pokes. (Exception of Rhydon). It's frankly easier with the list Jumpman provided as you know every single Pokemon out there, as long as you have the luck to get good starting Pokemon.

    P.S: i'm only playing factory because i have no patience to breed, so yeah. I'm trying to reach 100, but it'll take a long time. Also, i'm using No$GBA instead of a real one, but since there's no save state/load state (not working anyway), it doesn't matter.

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