approved by Jellicent Okay, let's get this underway. Like all in-game tier lists, this will hopefully end up on-site at some point, so we're looking for well-written, clear, and concise analyses of why this Pokemon is good in-game. As well as holding records and being the drawing board for the analyses of each Pokemon in its tier, this thread can also be used to discuss the placement and merit of various Pokemon. I'll do my best to update this post regularly. When making a case for the placement/movement of a Pokemon into a certain tier, consider the following: How early on can you obtain this Pokemon? How wide is its movepool? How effective are its base stats? How powerful is it in the long-run? How easy is it to maximise the Pokemon's potential? How much utility does it have (in or out of battle?) These are also all points to talk about when you're writing the analysis for that Pokemon. Here's a list with every Pokemon obtainable in the Hoenn Pokedex, in National Dex order, sorted by evolution family. I've also added where they can be located earliest. Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Note: Anything listed in brackets implies difficulty in obtaining, either due to trading being required or Pichu -> Pikachu -> Raichu - Pikachu in Safari Zone Sandshrew -> Sandslash - Sandshrew in Route 111, Route 113 in R/S Vulpix -> Ninetales - Vulpix in the grass around Mt. Pyre Igglybuff -> Jigglypuff -> Wigglytuff - Jigglypuff in Route 115 North Zubat -> Golbat -> Crobat - Zubat in Granite Cave Oddish -> Gloom -> Vileplume / Bellossom - Oddish in Route 110 Psyduck -> Golduck - Safari Zone Abra -> Kadabra (-> Alakazam) - Abra in Granite Cave Machop -> Machoke (-> Machamp) - Machop in Fiery Path Tentacool -> Tentacruel - As soon as you obtain Surf, the nearest water route is Route 102. Geodude -> Graveler (-> Golem) - Geodude in Granite Cave Magnemite -> Magneton - New Mauville Doduo -> Dodrio - Doduo in Safari Zone Grimer -> Muk - Grimer in Fiery Path Voltorb -> Electrode - Voltorb in New Mauville Koffing -> Weezing - Koffing in Fiery Path Rhyhorn -> Rhydon - Rhyhorn in Safari Zone Horsea -> Seadra (-> Kingdra) - Horsea in Route 132 Goldeen -> Seaking - Goldeen can be fished in Petalburg. Staryu -> Starmie - Staryu can be fished in Lilycove. Pinsir - Safari Zone Magikarp -> Gyarados - Old Rod vs every single body of water. Chinchou -> Lanturn - Any seaweed. Natu -> Xatu - Natu in Safari Zone Azurill -> Marill -> Azumarill - Marill in Route 104 Wynaut -> Wobbuffet - Wynaut egg received in Lavaridge, can be caught on "Mirage Island". Girafarig - Safari Zone Heracross - Safari Zone Slugma -> Magcargo - Fiery Path Corsola - Super Rod on Route 128 Skarmory - Route 113 Phanphy -> Donphan - Phanphy in Safari Zone Treecko -> Grovyle -> Sceptile - Starter Pokemon Torchic -> Combusken -> Blaziken - Starter Pokemon Mudkip -> Marshtomp -> Swampert - Starter Pokemon Poochyena -> Mightyena - Poochyena in Route 101 Zigzagoon -> Linoone - Ziggy in Route 101 Wurmple -> Silcoon -> Beautifly -> Cascoon -> Dustox - Wurmple inRoute 101 Lotad -> Lombre -> Ludicolo - Lotad in Route 102 / NA in Ruby Seedot -> Nuzleaf -> Shiftry - Seedot in Route 102 / NA in Sapphire Taillow -> Swellow - Taillow inRoute 104 Wingull -> Pelipper - Wingull in Route 104 Ralts -> Kirlia -> Gardevoir - Ralts in Route 102 (rare-ish) Surskit -> Masquerain - Surskit in Route 102 / NA in Emerald Shroomish -> Breloom - shroomish in Petalburg Woods Slakoth -> Vigoroth -> Slaking - Slakoth in Petalburg Woods Nincada -> Ninjask + Shedinja - Nincada in Route 116 Whismur -> Loudred -> Exploud - Whismur in Route 116 Makuhita -> Hariyama - Makuhita in Granite Cave Nosepass - Granite Cave: Rock Smash Skitty -> Delcatty - Skitty in Route 116 Sableye - Granite Cave / NA in Ruby Mawile - Emerald: Victory Road / Ruby: Cave of Origin / NA in Sapphire Aron -> Lairon -> Aggron - Aron in Granite Cave Meditite -> Medicham - NA in Emerald / Meditite in Mt Pyre Grass Electrike -> Manectric - Electrike in Route 110 Plusle / Minun - Route 110 Volbeat / Illumise - Route 117 Roselia - Route 117, NA in Emerald Gulpin -> Swalot - Gulpin in Route 110 Carvanha -> Sharpedo - Carvanha can be fished on Route 118 with Good/Super Rod. Wailmer -> Wailord - Wailmer can be Fished in Dewford with Good/Super Rod. Numel -> Camerupt - Numel in Fiery Path Torkoal - Fiery Path Spoink -> Grumpig - Spoink in Jagged Pass Spinda - in Route 113 Trapinch -> Vibrava -> Flygon - Trapinch in Route 111 Cacnea -> Cacturne - Cacnea in Route 111 Swablu -> Altaria - Swablu in Route 114 Zangoose - Route 114, Ruby only Seviper - Route 114, Sapphire / Emerald only. Lunatone / Solrock - Meteor Falls. Sapphire: Lunatone. Emerald/Ruby: Solrock. Barboach -> Whiscash - Fished in Route 111 with Good/Super Rod. Corphish -> Crawdawnt - Good/Super Rod in Petalburg Baltoy -> Claydol - Baltoy in Route 111 Lileep -> Cradily - Revive fossils. Anorith -> Armaldo - Revive fossils (Feebas) -> Milotic - Route 119. Good luck though. Castform - Gift at Weather Institute Kecleon - Route 120, event Shuppet -> Banette - Shuppet in Mt Pyre interior / Route 121, version dependent Duskull -> Dusclops - Duskull in Mt Pyre interior / Route 121, version dependent Tropius - Route 119 (Chimecho) - Mt Pyre summit Absol - Route 120 Spheal -> Sealeo -> Walrein - Shoal Cave Clamperl (-> Huntail / Gorebyss) - Any seaweed Relicanth - Any seaweed Luvdisc - Good/Super Rod of Ever Grande City Bagon -> Shelgon -> Salamence - Meteor Falls, back room (Regirock) - Route 111. Event. (Regice) - Route 105. Event. (Registeel) - Route 120. Event. Kyogre - Cave of Origin. Pre-E4 of Sapphire only. Groudon - Cave of Origin. Pre-E4 of Ruby only. Rayquaza - Sky Pillar. Pre-E4 of Emerald only. the Beldum family, Deoxys, Jirachi, and the Lati twins are unavailable pre-E4. Current Tiers Quick guide: Top means that this Pokemon is excellent for playing the game with. It is accessible early on and performs excellently, meaning should almost definitely be used if possible. High-ranking Pokemon suffer a small problem making them problematic in fitting into your team, be it a slightly shallow movepool, difficulty in obtaining early on, or difficult to train. Middle-ranking Pokemon are just average. You'll get through the game with a bit of grinding, and they're not impossible to use, but there are definitely better options. Low-ranking Pokemon are usually such not because they're weak, but they're either difficult to obtain, or you encounter them too late-on for them to be useful, as your team is usually much stronger and doesn't need the filling of the holes by that point. Bottom-ranking Pokemon should not be used. Full stop. Top (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Top (open) Top (close) Torchic -> Combusken -> Blaziken Mudkip -> Marshtomp -> Swampert Zangoose (Abra -> Kadabra -> Alakazam) High (Move your mouse to reveal the content) High (open) High (close) Taillow -> Swellow Heracross Abra -> Kadabra Middle (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Middle (open) Middle (close) - Low (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Low (open) Low (close) Whismur -> Loudred -> Exploud Bottom (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Bottom (open) Bottom (close) - Once this develops a bit, then I'll get to work making a list of what isn't yet tiered. Also note that while you need to consider the base-stage evolution in terms of acquirability, you also need to consider final-stage evolutions in terms of actually fighting people. As a result, your analysis should be about the final stage evolution, but the acquirability and trainability of the basic stage should also affect your tiering. Many thanks.