A guy that made it to #1 on the ladder used a team with RestTalk Entei and he even said that it was with MVP.
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Rarely Used (RU) Tier
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Now you're just being silly. You said that restalkers who were SR weak were bad, now you are backtracking and making arbitrary conditions that fit gyarados perfectly.
Entei doesn't have dragon tail, but he does have roar. Why is dragon tail so important?
Entei isn't immune to spikes, but he also isn't weak to electric, which helps when practically half the special sweepers in ru are electric types.
As a completely solid counter to lilligant (and the sceptiles that like to run around and the occasional cottonee and the innumerous giga drains) Is Buffaron, the guy has solid defenses, SE megahorn, and herbivore. Immunity to sleep powder and the only stab option while gaining a +1 attack boosting you to above 500 attack with solid enough defense to take a +1 coverage move. After gaining a +1 it becomes a beast tearing apart teams.
Has 95/95/95 defenses. 110 attack. Near MVP of my team. Been running a sub set to abuse will o' wisp spread by my rotom. But SD seems like it could be fun. Test away this guy is a hidden gem of RU where grass types run rampant.
and as a sidenote, on the conservation above I prefer Roar/whirlwind to Dtail (save for where its stabbed) Substitute says sub and lawls at you.
diggin' it.
this will help bidge the gap between the awesome pokemon that just happen to be NU(walrein, Chu Dat) and those that are literally useless(Luvdisc).
out of Curiosity, what's this tier's opinion on the light Ball(since I think it was banned in NU last gen?)
this will help bidge the gap between the awesome pokemon that just happen to be NU(walrein, Chu Dat) and those that are literally useless(Luvdisc).
out of Curiosity, what's this tier's opinion on the light Ball(since I think it was banned in NU last gen?)
LolPikachu. That is all.
lol Pikachu......I don't think Pikachu makes any difference here.
Pinsir is really good in this tier...I haven't seen many people using it. A lead set and a scarf set are the most effective ones. There aren't many uses for Mold Breaker here cause levitate isn't really that common of any ability though.
Pinsir is really good in this tier...I haven't seen many people using it. A lead set and a scarf set are the most effective ones. There aren't many uses for Mold Breaker here cause levitate isn't really that common of any ability though.
Most teams aren't really slow though. Fast-paced bug sweepers are the common thing, and the slower stuff like Regice and Cresselia are basically untouched by Pikachu anyway.
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Rhyperior is the best damn thing in the tier. Stealth Rock/EQ/Stone Edge/Phazing Move with Max HP and Attack is absolutely absurd. It never dies, and it dishes out ridiculous damage. Eviolite Rhydon has a little more bulk, but no lefties recovery and it's not quite as strong.
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Rhyperior is the best damn thing in the tier. Stealth Rock/EQ/Stone Edge/Phazing Move with Max HP and Attack is absolutely absurd. It never dies, and it dishes out ridiculous damage. Eviolite Rhydon has a little more bulk, but no lefties recovery and it's not quite as strong.
How much speed EV's are you guys giving lilligant?
I would max because it's on an important speed tier (90?) and you don't want to be outsped by Pinsir (who is 85 IIRC).
Generally with Quiver Dance and Own Tempo Petal Dance you don't need much bulk, just go max SpA/Spe.
Generally with Quiver Dance and Own Tempo Petal Dance you don't need much bulk, just go max SpA/Spe.
You use Petal Dance on Lilligant? I've been running Giga Drain because I like the longevity more...and the damage output is more than enough after a couple Quiver Dances.
That set sounds badass. Considering you're at the top of the ladder right now, I'm assuming that this set does indeed work.
RestTalk Venomoth of all things? Have to say, I'm skeptical, but if Reach got to the top of the ladder with it, it must be excellent. Probably Rest/Sleep Talk/Bug Buzz/Quiver Dance?
Yes. Max HP and Max Speed. It's extremely good.
Bouffalant @ Choice Band/Life Orb
move 1: Head Charge
move 2: Wild Charge
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Megahorn
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
From using this guy I can tell you that he is a bulky monstrousity. He can take hits all day! I have personally seen him get hit by 3 supereffective hits and still have HP left. He is just a pure monster.
Granted he is rather slow with a base 55 speed stat, he still has 95/95/95 defenses and 110 base attack. With this in mind he completely destroys things with a Choice Band set and Sap Sipper.
Sap Sipper absorbs all grass moves, Leech Seed and Petal Dance for example, and for each one that is absorbed Bouffalant's attack rises 1 stage. With a Choice Band and 1 Sap Sipper Boost his attack rises to 787 with this set. This makes him a complete counter to Lilligant, Cottonee and any other grass pokemon.
In RU most of the things that countered him are gone, but you might still want to use Life Orb over Choice Band for Ghosts that would end your sweep.
move 1: Head Charge
move 2: Wild Charge
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Megahorn
ability: Sap Sipper
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
From using this guy I can tell you that he is a bulky monstrousity. He can take hits all day! I have personally seen him get hit by 3 supereffective hits and still have HP left. He is just a pure monster.
Granted he is rather slow with a base 55 speed stat, he still has 95/95/95 defenses and 110 base attack. With this in mind he completely destroys things with a Choice Band set and Sap Sipper.
Sap Sipper absorbs all grass moves, Leech Seed and Petal Dance for example, and for each one that is absorbed Bouffalant's attack rises 1 stage. With a Choice Band and 1 Sap Sipper Boost his attack rises to 787 with this set. This makes him a complete counter to Lilligant, Cottonee and any other grass pokemon.
In RU most of the things that countered him are gone, but you might still want to use Life Orb over Choice Band for Ghosts that would end your sweep.
Does Sap Sipper block Sleep Powder too? If so, then Afrobull is the best damn Lilligant counter in RU. If not, it's still dicey.
Sap Sipper (aka herbivore) absorbs all grass moves except aromatherapy apparently, so yes it absorbs sleep powder.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sap_Sipper_(ability)
Its a complete counter to Cottonee and Lilligant. I assume that Bouffalant will rise in usage once Perversity Serperior is released. I remember using him as a complete counter to Perversity Serperior in the Dream World tier back in October.
That's assuming Contrary Serperior will be RU, according to the Dream World tier it's going to be a top contender for OU. I'm not sure whether Bouffalant would be used in OU that much JUST as a Serperior check, since many Grass types in the tier can do something against him. Ferrothorn can stack Spikes, Virizion and Breloom kick him around.
I`ve been using specs Sceptile to great success. I run Leaf Storm, HP Fire, Dragon Pulse, and giga drain for coverage. I`ve yet to be disappointed.
Until Venomoth comes in on a 4x resisted Leaf Storm and starts setting up Quiver Dances.
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