Hello guys, this is my first RMT at Smogon. At first, I thought this team wasn't going to perform well, but hey, it did :D. So far, only hail teams have been a big problem because I know I have a pretty ugly ice weakness, and my ice "melter" is a poke with a pretty bad weakness against water.
Before I start I want to mention I'm going to use this team in netbattle (but using smogon tier), because I just can't stand shoddy battle speed/interface, so for now, I won't be able to switch a poke to a rotom form (and BTW, I don't want to make this a "use shoddy, netbattle sucks" thread)
Without further ado, I present you the Bring Da Pain team!
At a Glance:
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Team Building:
After so much time looking for the perfect "lead" I've only found slow easily-tauntable leads, suicide leads who does his job OR take suicide but almost never both, leads who depend on luck (sleepers) among a few others, but so far, this guy usually in my team but never in the lead, can OHKO common leads or at least 2HKO them. MixMence variant.
I'm pretty sure the best partner for Salamence is Heatran, and he always does a great job in any team ;-)
In order to cover heatran weakness to water (again, I really like having that guy alive) I chose big DD bulky gyarados, having a taunter on the team is a must have in order to destroy annoyer teams (quite a lot of em on NetBattle), and, if gengar's dead, it gets rid of togekiss/blissey.
Now, something to counter gyarados weakness to electric moves, AND, because of my team lacking anti-psychic moves (switching to gengar=sacrifice him) an X-Scissor user. But that's not all, this guy sets up stealth rock "when the time is right", and offers enough bulkiness to take physical hits.
This roserade started as a test for a toxic spikes team, which failed (really, it is fun until a calm mind latias comes out), now, I wanted to complement my gliscor's stealth rock in order to make sure my sweepers OHKO easily, so I modified some things and made this grass knot/leech seed/sleep powder/spikes moveset for her.
Now that I have prepared the way for my sweepers, I don't want a spinner to ruin my fun right? It was time for a ghost poke. A rotom-w or a rotom-f would fit well, but as I said, I have to wait to netbattle to update in order to use them, so for now, my all-time favourite ghost pokemon, gengar.
As a replacement for roserade, Maxim suggested using instead a Jirachi, however, I changed body slam for energy ball in order to have a grass move in the team.
Replacing Salamence, Dragonite, giving extra bulkiness and a priority move at the cost of little speed.
After spending an entire afternoon thinking about improving the team, I came up with some radical changes. Gliscor is replaced for Rotom-C, we still have ground inmunity, no electr inmunity but we resist it, and we'll no longer miss roserade having Leaf Storm. Jirachi is replaced for a Lucario sweeper, still kills blissey, still kills mence and dragon co., but way too much harder :D.
In depth:
Changes will be in Bold
Niter (F/Dragonite)@Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 16Atk/252Spd/240SAtk
Nature: Naive (+Spd -SDef)
Draco Meteor
Extreme Speed
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Salamence was replaced by Dragonite, and its role it's the same: LEAVE NO ONE ALIVE!!!! Hitting as hard as mence but a little slower, the speed difference worths it for extra bulkiness and a priority move, Extremespeed.
If a lead doesn't have a powerful steelbreaker move along with a dragonkiller move, it ain't nothing, but that's just my opinion, and this guys suits it.
Synergy:
Ice: Heatran, Lucario
Dragon: Heatran, Lucario
Rock: Heatran/Gliscor (they don't really cover it, but are neutral and can take em out easily; future reference for this situation is CK, can kill), Lucario
Heatran (M/Heatran)@Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EV's: 6HP/252Spd/252SAtk
Nature: Naive (+Spd -SDef)
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power
Stealth Rock
Flamethrower
Heatran is the perfect couple for Salamence, it is my revenge killer, my fire/ice/dragon/wall, an special sweeper, what else can I ask?
Now that Gliscor is gone, this guy is the stealth rocker, nice moment to lay them down is when I switch him in in order to take a fire atk (unless the foe can use an earth move).
Synergy:
Water: Dragonite, Gyarados
Fight: Gengar, Dragonite, Gyarados, Rotom-C
Ground: Dragonite, Gyarados
Gyrann (F/Gyarados)@Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EV's: 156HP/72Atk/96Def/184Spd
Nature: Adamant (+Atk -SAtk)
Stone Edge
Dragon Drance
Taunt
Waterfall
DD Bulky Gyarados perfoms well giving a ground immunity to counter heatran's 400% ground weakness, and waterfall to (after DD) OHKO Tar or Gliscor (most common EQ users), bounce's always useful and taunt kills any attempt of parafusing.
Synergy:
Electr: Rotom-C
Rock: Heatran (CK), Lucario
Rotom-C (Genderless/Rotom-C)@Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 72 Def / 96 SpA / 88 Spe
Nature: Timid (+Spd -Atk)
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Will-o-Wisp
Leaf Storm
Gliscor replacement, gives inmunity to ground moves (like gliscor), and is not inmune to electricity but it resists it. It is quite bulky, gives a grass move, a thunderbolt stab, and marvelous will-o-wisp. Gengar should be jealous ;-)
Synergy:
Ground: Dragonite, Gyarados
Ghost: Heatran, Lucario
Dark: Lucario, Heatran
Lucario (M/Lucario)@Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252Atk/4Def/252Spd
Nature: Jolly
Close Combat
Ice Punch
Extremespeed
Crunch
Replacing Jirachi (who used to replace roserade), his steel type gives almost the same resistances Jirache had, but is a much better sweeper. Close Combat (his signature move) hits for an amazing damage, 120 base power, it's a STAB, increased power by full Atk EV's, and Choice Band, this thing is the worst fear anything that can't resist fighting moves have. Extremespeed makes him work as a revenge killer, Ice punch is THE move against dragons and other common threats, and crunch is there for those ugly latias.
Synergy:
Fire: Dragonite, Heatran, Gyarados
Ground: Rotom-C, Dragonite, Gengar, Gyarados
Fighting: Gengar, Rotom-C, Gyarados, Dragonite
Gar (M/Gengar)@Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 16Atk/240Spd/252SAtk)
Nature: Hasty (+Spd -Def)
Explosion
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Gengar is the switch in for rapid spinners, special walls and suicide leads, he can take out forretress/blissey/miltank with focus blast and starmie/tentacruel with thunder bolt, so he does what he's meant to, and excel at it.
Synergy:
Psychic: Heatran
Ghost: Heatran, Lucario
Dark: Heatran, Lucario
Changelog:
- Replaced Bounce for Stone Edge, Gyrann's moveset. Thanks mudkipmaster
- Changes will be bold only now, and pokemon names will no longer be bold unless they are replaced for another poke.
- Replaced Roserade for Jirachi. Thanks Maxim
- Jirachi changed to Physical Choice from Wish Support. Thanks Oxymentus
- Fixed typo @ shadow ball (yeah, I play a warlock on wow :P)
- Replaced Salamence for Anti-Lead Nite. Thanks supermath64@IRC RMT channel
- Updated synergy info, changing salamence to dragonite and deleting roserade
- Replaced Gliscor for Rotom-C, replaced Jirachi for Lucario. Updated Synergy. Changed Explosion on Heatran for Stealth Rock.
- Fixed a few minor errors.
Conclusion:
As you can see, my team relies a lot on heatran, and has weaknesses against common pokes like latias or weavile. So, thanks for your time, and I'll be anxiously waiting suggestions ^^.
PS: My native language is not english, if you see a typo, a mistake, or something you don't understand, please let me know.
Before I start I want to mention I'm going to use this team in netbattle (but using smogon tier), because I just can't stand shoddy battle speed/interface, so for now, I won't be able to switch a poke to a rotom form (and BTW, I don't want to make this a "use shoddy, netbattle sucks" thread)
Without further ado, I present you the Bring Da Pain team!
At a Glance:
Team Building:
After so much time looking for the perfect "lead" I've only found slow easily-tauntable leads, suicide leads who does his job OR take suicide but almost never both, leads who depend on luck (sleepers) among a few others, but so far, this guy usually in my team but never in the lead, can OHKO common leads or at least 2HKO them. MixMence variant.
I'm pretty sure the best partner for Salamence is Heatran, and he always does a great job in any team ;-)
In order to cover heatran weakness to water (again, I really like having that guy alive) I chose big DD bulky gyarados, having a taunter on the team is a must have in order to destroy annoyer teams (quite a lot of em on NetBattle), and, if gengar's dead, it gets rid of togekiss/blissey.
Now, something to counter gyarados weakness to electric moves, AND, because of my team lacking anti-psychic moves (switching to gengar=sacrifice him) an X-Scissor user. But that's not all, this guy sets up stealth rock "when the time is right", and offers enough bulkiness to take physical hits.
This roserade started as a test for a toxic spikes team, which failed (really, it is fun until a calm mind latias comes out), now, I wanted to complement my gliscor's stealth rock in order to make sure my sweepers OHKO easily, so I modified some things and made this grass knot/leech seed/sleep powder/spikes moveset for her.
Now that I have prepared the way for my sweepers, I don't want a spinner to ruin my fun right? It was time for a ghost poke. A rotom-w or a rotom-f would fit well, but as I said, I have to wait to netbattle to update in order to use them, so for now, my all-time favourite ghost pokemon, gengar.
As a replacement for roserade, Maxim suggested using instead a Jirachi, however, I changed body slam for energy ball in order to have a grass move in the team.
Replacing Salamence, Dragonite, giving extra bulkiness and a priority move at the cost of little speed.
After spending an entire afternoon thinking about improving the team, I came up with some radical changes. Gliscor is replaced for Rotom-C, we still have ground inmunity, no electr inmunity but we resist it, and we'll no longer miss roserade having Leaf Storm. Jirachi is replaced for a Lucario sweeper, still kills blissey, still kills mence and dragon co., but way too much harder :D.
In depth:
Changes will be in Bold
Niter (F/Dragonite)@Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 16Atk/252Spd/240SAtk
Nature: Naive (+Spd -SDef)
Draco Meteor
Extreme Speed
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Salamence was replaced by Dragonite, and its role it's the same: LEAVE NO ONE ALIVE!!!! Hitting as hard as mence but a little slower, the speed difference worths it for extra bulkiness and a priority move, Extremespeed.
If a lead doesn't have a powerful steelbreaker move along with a dragonkiller move, it ain't nothing, but that's just my opinion, and this guys suits it.
Synergy:
Ice: Heatran, Lucario
Dragon: Heatran, Lucario
Rock: Heatran/Gliscor (they don't really cover it, but are neutral and can take em out easily; future reference for this situation is CK, can kill), Lucario
Heatran (M/Heatran)@Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EV's: 6HP/252Spd/252SAtk
Nature: Naive (+Spd -SDef)
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power
Stealth Rock
Flamethrower
Heatran is the perfect couple for Salamence, it is my revenge killer, my fire/ice/dragon/wall, an special sweeper, what else can I ask?
Now that Gliscor is gone, this guy is the stealth rocker, nice moment to lay them down is when I switch him in in order to take a fire atk (unless the foe can use an earth move).
Synergy:
Water: Dragonite, Gyarados
Fight: Gengar, Dragonite, Gyarados, Rotom-C
Ground: Dragonite, Gyarados
Gyrann (F/Gyarados)@Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EV's: 156HP/72Atk/96Def/184Spd
Nature: Adamant (+Atk -SAtk)
Stone Edge
Dragon Drance
Taunt
Waterfall
DD Bulky Gyarados perfoms well giving a ground immunity to counter heatran's 400% ground weakness, and waterfall to (after DD) OHKO Tar or Gliscor (most common EQ users), bounce's always useful and taunt kills any attempt of parafusing.
Synergy:
Electr: Rotom-C
Rock: Heatran (CK), Lucario
Rotom-C (Genderless/Rotom-C)@Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 72 Def / 96 SpA / 88 Spe
Nature: Timid (+Spd -Atk)
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Will-o-Wisp
Leaf Storm
Gliscor replacement, gives inmunity to ground moves (like gliscor), and is not inmune to electricity but it resists it. It is quite bulky, gives a grass move, a thunderbolt stab, and marvelous will-o-wisp. Gengar should be jealous ;-)
Synergy:
Ground: Dragonite, Gyarados
Ghost: Heatran, Lucario
Dark: Lucario, Heatran
Lucario (M/Lucario)@Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252Atk/4Def/252Spd
Nature: Jolly
Close Combat
Ice Punch
Extremespeed
Crunch
Replacing Jirachi (who used to replace roserade), his steel type gives almost the same resistances Jirache had, but is a much better sweeper. Close Combat (his signature move) hits for an amazing damage, 120 base power, it's a STAB, increased power by full Atk EV's, and Choice Band, this thing is the worst fear anything that can't resist fighting moves have. Extremespeed makes him work as a revenge killer, Ice punch is THE move against dragons and other common threats, and crunch is there for those ugly latias.
Synergy:
Fire: Dragonite, Heatran, Gyarados
Ground: Rotom-C, Dragonite, Gengar, Gyarados
Fighting: Gengar, Rotom-C, Gyarados, Dragonite
Gar (M/Gengar)@Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 16Atk/240Spd/252SAtk)
Nature: Hasty (+Spd -Def)
Explosion
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Gengar is the switch in for rapid spinners, special walls and suicide leads, he can take out forretress/blissey/miltank with focus blast and starmie/tentacruel with thunder bolt, so he does what he's meant to, and excel at it.
Synergy:
Psychic: Heatran
Ghost: Heatran, Lucario
Dark: Heatran, Lucario
Changelog:
- Replaced Bounce for Stone Edge, Gyrann's moveset. Thanks mudkipmaster
- Changes will be bold only now, and pokemon names will no longer be bold unless they are replaced for another poke.
- Replaced Roserade for Jirachi. Thanks Maxim
- Jirachi changed to Physical Choice from Wish Support. Thanks Oxymentus
- Fixed typo @ shadow ball (yeah, I play a warlock on wow :P)
- Replaced Salamence for Anti-Lead Nite. Thanks supermath64@IRC RMT channel
- Updated synergy info, changing salamence to dragonite and deleting roserade
- Replaced Gliscor for Rotom-C, replaced Jirachi for Lucario. Updated Synergy. Changed Explosion on Heatran for Stealth Rock.
- Fixed a few minor errors.
Conclusion:
As you can see, my team relies a lot on heatran, and has weaknesses against common pokes like latias or weavile. So, thanks for your time, and I'll be anxiously waiting suggestions ^^.
PS: My native language is not english, if you see a typo, a mistake, or something you don't understand, please let me know.