Philip7086
Myuu
Guys, can we please stop the shoddy theorymonning in this topic? If you can't see the merit of:
1. Guaranteeing a KO in a checkmate situation on Pokemon (please note: I never said a 100% health Pokemon)
2. Nabbing a KO on the element of surprise (don't try to tell me that there will be no more surprise element once this set is posted on Smogon - stats have proven time and time again that CB Scizor will be the standard, and don't try to convince me that anybody would assume you're running anything BUT CB Scizor if they don't see Leftovers)
3. Allowing Scizor to finish something off with a fast U-turn and getting out to a Pokemon which forces your opponent's hand (as opposed to Scizor getting outsped and KOed itself)
then you're obviously either just biased or missing something.
Has our theorymonning really become that shallow that only 100% vs. 100% situations are applied? Can people no longer see the bigger picture? Lets use Latias for example here (god, I can't believe I'm wasting my time on something this simple):
Let's say Latias is locked onto Specs Surf and Scizor comes in on revenge. It is likely to stay in and use Specs Surf again for guaranteed damage, as opposed to eating a CB Pursuit for no damage. However, with Scarf, you can outspeed and U-turn out to a water resisting Pokemon without taking ANY damage. If they switch out, big deal, you still are granted the upper hand. If you have a weakened CB Scizor, this is not possible.
Cool, I love how for some reason Life Orb isn't considered in the Gengar calculations. Sure, this set might lose to Leftovers HP Fire Gengars (lol?), but it will beat every other variant. It also beats MysticGar, unlike the Choice Band set.
Life Orb Starmie has a small chance to OHKO CB Scizor after one turn of SR, and is almost guaranteed to OHKO it after two with Hydro Pump anyways, so I don't even know why that was mentioned. I guess no damage at all is superior to guaranteed damage? Yeah, I sure don't see the merit of Scarf here... -__-
Finally, Scarf Scizor can check threats like Lucario, Infernape, and non-Scarf Heatran whereas CB Scizor can't.
Seriously, can someone tell me why the two sets are even being compared? Obviously CB Scizor is superior in more scenarios, but how does that take away from the viability of this set at all? Since when does the general superiority of one set over another (which is designed to play completely differently than the former set) mean the latter is no good at all? Maybe we should just take down every set on-site but the best sets for each Pokemon, if we're going to use this logic. I don't even particularly like Choice Scarf Scizor, I just hate seeing when no actual thought was put into objection theorymon. People get bogged down in calcs without seeing the big picture and realizing that Pokemon is hardly a pre-calculate-able game at all.
/end rant
1. Guaranteeing a KO in a checkmate situation on Pokemon (please note: I never said a 100% health Pokemon)
2. Nabbing a KO on the element of surprise (don't try to tell me that there will be no more surprise element once this set is posted on Smogon - stats have proven time and time again that CB Scizor will be the standard, and don't try to convince me that anybody would assume you're running anything BUT CB Scizor if they don't see Leftovers)
3. Allowing Scizor to finish something off with a fast U-turn and getting out to a Pokemon which forces your opponent's hand (as opposed to Scizor getting outsped and KOed itself)
then you're obviously either just biased or missing something.
Has our theorymonning really become that shallow that only 100% vs. 100% situations are applied? Can people no longer see the bigger picture? Lets use Latias for example here (god, I can't believe I'm wasting my time on something this simple):
Let's say Latias is locked onto Specs Surf and Scizor comes in on revenge. It is likely to stay in and use Specs Surf again for guaranteed damage, as opposed to eating a CB Pursuit for no damage. However, with Scarf, you can outspeed and U-turn out to a water resisting Pokemon without taking ANY damage. If they switch out, big deal, you still are granted the upper hand. If you have a weakened CB Scizor, this is not possible.
Cool, I love how for some reason Life Orb isn't considered in the Gengar calculations. Sure, this set might lose to Leftovers HP Fire Gengars (lol?), but it will beat every other variant. It also beats MysticGar, unlike the Choice Band set.
Life Orb Starmie has a small chance to OHKO CB Scizor after one turn of SR, and is almost guaranteed to OHKO it after two with Hydro Pump anyways, so I don't even know why that was mentioned. I guess no damage at all is superior to guaranteed damage? Yeah, I sure don't see the merit of Scarf here... -__-
Finally, Scarf Scizor can check threats like Lucario, Infernape, and non-Scarf Heatran whereas CB Scizor can't.
Seriously, can someone tell me why the two sets are even being compared? Obviously CB Scizor is superior in more scenarios, but how does that take away from the viability of this set at all? Since when does the general superiority of one set over another (which is designed to play completely differently than the former set) mean the latter is no good at all? Maybe we should just take down every set on-site but the best sets for each Pokemon, if we're going to use this logic. I don't even particularly like Choice Scarf Scizor, I just hate seeing when no actual thought was put into objection theorymon. People get bogged down in calcs without seeing the big picture and realizing that Pokemon is hardly a pre-calculate-able game at all.
/end rant