This is probably the biggest thing for Shedinja. Ninetails and Politoed getting Drought and Drizzle, respectively, is nice but with so many Pokemon being able to abuse Sandstorm, it could easily be harder to take away than it was in Gen 4.
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Shedinja
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At least Shedinja is guaranteed UU with weather abuse being more rain and sun-related there as well as Ubers.
I expect sand to hit OU hard, so Shedinja will once again be relegated to niches in Ubers/UU.
I expect sand to hit OU hard, so Shedinja will once again be relegated to niches in Ubers/UU.
That I doubt. With sturdy means without wonder guard, he'd still have one hit point and be vulnerable to all but normal and fighting.
Hmph, something tells me that GameFreak forgot to have Shedinja's base stats to match Ninjask's base total even with only 1 base HP for the third time.
And giving Shedinja a different ability in Dream World would not only make it impossible to catch, but also automatically NU because the ability would be terrible on him.
And giving Shedinja a different ability in Dream World would not only make it impossible to catch, but also automatically NU because the ability would be terrible on him.
Anyone considered Shedinja in doubles? A Choice Scarfed Basurao can use Waterlog on Shedinja. Jolly Max EVs on Basurao would out speed everything but Deoxys-s and Shedinja would drop down too two weaknesses. It loses STAB, but the reduction to 2 weaknesses would possibly be worth it on a gimmick team. Shedinja could have a set of maybe-
Shedinja @ Focus Sash
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed
Ability: Wonder Guard
Adamant
Moves:
Swords Dance
Shadow Sneak
X-Scissor
Filler
It could probably get 2 Dances up before they get a chance to kill it, maybe 3 due to Sash. And then Shadow Sneak, and the X-scissor of filler when given a chance.
An alternative to Basurao is choice scarf Golduck, the only thing that will outspeed duck but not Basurao is Ninjask, and duck has Cloud Nine to protect Shedinja from Hail and Sandstorm.
Shedinja @ Focus Sash
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed
Ability: Wonder Guard
Adamant
Moves:
Swords Dance
Shadow Sneak
X-Scissor
Filler
It could probably get 2 Dances up before they get a chance to kill it, maybe 3 due to Sash. And then Shadow Sneak, and the X-scissor of filler when given a chance.
An alternative to Basurao is choice scarf Golduck, the only thing that will outspeed duck but not Basurao is Ninjask, and duck has Cloud Nine to protect Shedinja from Hail and Sandstorm.
I'm pretty sure it could pass Harden. An amusing possibility, but still possible.
It could be an interesting passer of Claw Sharpen due to its ability to force switches (send it on something that can't touch it, Stat-up on the switch baton pass as they break the sash/are outsped (unlikely)). But of course it still has the usual problems with weather, entry hazards, status and gentle breezes...
Since it's impossible for Shedinja to have Swords Dance, Baton Pass and Agility at the same time (due to the evolution issues explained earlier), I'd say going with Claw Sharpen is the way to go. Even though it doesn't boost Shedinja's Attack as fast as Swords Dance can, at least it gives Shedinja something to Baton Pass, since it couldn't BP anything in Gen IV (if memory serves me right). Pokemon with the Hustle ability would benefit from this (like the occaisonal physical Togekiss).
Feel the wrath of a Shedinja immune to (most kinds of?) direct damage.
After a grand total of 2 turns of set-up within a Triple Battle and you can get yourself a Sturdy Shedinja. Just watch out for anything that can status you (hint: use Thunder Wave on it), something to avoid Leech Seed, and have a damaging weather check.
Don't know how/if Rock Blast would work.
Can Wonder Guard be Skill Swapped now? Otherwise the vid is bogus.
Feel the wrath of a Shedinja immune to (most kinds of?) direct damage.
After a grand total of 2 turns of set-up within a Triple Battle and you can get yourself a Sturdy Shedinja. Just watch out for anything that can status you (hint: use Thunder Wave on it), something to avoid Leech Seed, and have a damaging weather check.
Don't know how/if Rock Blast would work.
He used Worry seed on Shedinja to remove Wonder guard before using skill swap.
Since when could Golduck use Worry Seed?
Also, I noticed Mimic on Sheddy (I can't think of any other way for it to use Zekrom's special attack). If the player was REALLY smart he would have had an ally with Endeavor for Shedinja to copy.
I assume no, but can Shedinja use Substitute? Also is passing him a bulky Sub any different that passing a normal Pokémon a Sub?
Not unless the mechanics for Substitute have changed.
That person could have stopped that strategy easily if they had just used Taunt on Blissey or attacked Shedinja with Zekrom right from the begining.
Shedinja will want another team member to be able to switch in when Zekrom comes.
Ever since the 3rd gen, Shedinja's been my all-time favorite Pokemon in existence. I'm glad to see others looking into 5th gen possibilities for it already. My current 4th gen Shedinja is Naughty with a Focus Sash(I figure that with 1 HP, Lonely or Naughty would work). Of course it has the common X-Scissor/Shadow Sneak/Swords Dance.
However, as far as I read, I haven't heard of anyone here using Swagger as an option. I just figured that, if Shedinja's only got 1 HP, why not be afraid to boost the opponent's stats just for the off chance they'll hurt themselves. The damage would be stronger if they do. That's how mine is set up, and its worked just peachy for me. Now, with Claw Sharpen, I can just take out Swords Dance and have better accuracy with Swagger.
However, as far as I read, I haven't heard of anyone here using Swagger as an option. I just figured that, if Shedinja's only got 1 HP, why not be afraid to boost the opponent's stats just for the off chance they'll hurt themselves. The damage would be stronger if they do. That's how mine is set up, and its worked just peachy for me. Now, with Claw Sharpen, I can just take out Swords Dance and have better accuracy with Swagger.
This. And none of Sheddy's moves even from the accuracy boost! What the hell, man?! Claw Sharpen is TERRIBLE on Shedinja!
Wow. i can't believe i never thought to attach a focus sash to shedninja. Its pretty obvious.
Claw Sharpen is the only legal attack-boosting move on a Baton Pass Shedinja. This is because both Swords Dance and Baton Pass are on Ninjask's moveset, and Shedinja is only able to learn one move from Ninjask's moveset.. Since I just trained a cartridge Shedinja the other day, I'll give a quick rundown on how it works:
Nincada leveled up!
Nincada is evolving!
Nincada evolved into Ninjask!
Ninjask is trying to learn (move)! (if at appropriate level)
Ninjask learned (move)!
*at this point, Shedinja is silently created in player's party, inheriting Ninjask's IVs, EVs, and moveset - including the newly learned move*
*game returns to overworld screen*